Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

[Tintin]

Posted by mgray (here)
Not familiar with the angle that this video was shot, but why did the video not pick up muzzle flashes from the 32 floor window?

Because there weren't any, and there was nobody shooting into the concert from there. Mandalay Bay focus is a deliberate decoy as far as shooting is concerned, in my view.

[Cidersomerset]

Not familiar with the angle that this video was shot, but why did the
video not pick up muzzle flashes from the 32 floor window?

That was my first thought and I wondered whether the weapon, distance or
focus comes into play ? I could not see anything coming from the windows
either , but maybe there is a simple answer ? obviously other shooters ,
though I am not an analyst.

[Orph]

I think it's possible those "firecracker" noises are another smaller caliber semi-automatic rifle. (.223 caliber). I heard that same higher pitched popping sound in another video. Also, in another video a person showed where a bullet entered his leg(?) if I remember correctly. The entrance wound was a small hole. A size consistent with a .223 round. The main rat-a-tat sounds we hear are, I'm pretty sure, from a much bigger caliber rifle.

Just speculation on my part.

[TrumanCash]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

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Here's the best footage I've seen yet, shot using a GoPro (better for action shooting
than a cell phone camera) by someone who was in the back of the crowd and got away
in the initial group running away.

This shows a initial fire cracker ? aprox 3min 12 secs in , the crowd starts moving
aprox 3min 38 secs.

Aprox 3 min 52 the initial burst start and the reaction of the crowd as they realise
something is wrong and start to get out and take cover. The people here were
relatively calm as they were not at the centre of the event and acted as we are
taught not to panic and leave as orderly and quickly as you can in any emergency
situation. Though there was some very scared , running and screaming as well
to be expected.

I could not tell if it came from Mandalay bay straight away or see any barrel flashes
from the windows when the camera pointed that way. Should there have been gun
flashes ? Needs more close ups and those with knowledge of this type of weapon etc...


Good find though.

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from # 735 above by Tintin ...https://tvclip.biz/video/fpzO6q_lDGI...bay-hotel.html

This vid complements Pauls find as it is coming from Mandalay ....It does
show a lot of police cars responding.


LAS VEGAS SHOOTING EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT AS SEEN FROM WITHIN THE MANDALAY BAY HOTEL

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fpzO6q_lDGI

Published on 10 Oct 2017
Jason Hartman's eyewitness account of the shooting in Las Vegas as seen from the
Foundation Room within the Mandalay Bay Hotel. News organizations please
provide attribution to Jason Hartman for any on-air usages.

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This may have already been posted.....



Las Vegas Massacre Analysis
By Ian Greenhalgh -
October 20, 2017



I am of the opinion that we will never know the real details of the Las Vegas
Massacre, that we will never know how many shooters were involved, what
weapons they used, where they were located, etc etc.

Why? For the simple reason that the FBI has not and will not conduct a proper
investigation, furthermore, they will obstruct and derail any legitimate
investigations the LVMPD will attempt.

The morning after the shooting, the bodies of the victims have been removed but
the sheer amount of detritus left behind is plain to see, and all of this stuff is
evidence, all of it should be photographed in situ then tagged, bagged and collected
for later forensic analysis.




read more...
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/1...acre-analysis/

Jason Hartman's video is very telling IMO. It reveals that most of the shooting was coming from somewhere else, not the Mandalay.

Because of the video by the taxi driver Cori Langdon on the north side of the Mandalay property it appears that initially there were some rounds fired from this location. However, the taxi was on the north side of the tram station which has a fairly high roof above the taxi as well as other rooftop locations nearby. After the initial rounds at or near the Mandalay the shooting sounds distant with more echo/reverberation. This video is very revealing in that it plainly shows more than one shooter.

Also, there's Kolozsvári Attila's video wherein he points to two shooter positions.

From the other videos on the ground the shooting is much louder and more distinct and apparently closer. Some people even reported that the shooters were moving toward them at the event.

It therefore appears to me that Mandalay was an intentional distraction from the beginning. As I pointed out in previous posts the strobe light was just that--a strobe light. It not only fooled numerous online investigators it may have even fooled the people at the concert. In one video it shows people pointing (apparently) toward the Mandalay at the beginning of the shooting with one guy giving it the finger. They may have been looking at the strobing light thinking it was muzzle flashes, too.

I have yet to see any actual muzzle flashes in any of the videos I've seen on this thread or any others.

I think the most important datum in on all of this is that there are multiple firsthand accounts of multiple shooters and that alone exposes the fraud of the "lone gunman".

It's very similar to the Kennedy assassination official narrative in that the patsy "long gunman" fired from a high window of a building when there were actually multiple shooters at ground level and there were no shots from the alleged high location in an area that is coincidentally rife with Masonic/Illuminati symbols. And the patsy gets gets blamed and is shot dead (or suicided) so it's case closed cuz there's no conspiracy with a "lone gunman".

I don't know why the author of the Veteran's Today article didn't point out the Luxor obelisk as a possible shooter position since it is hollow and has a good line of sight to the front of the stage area (not to mention the symbolism of it). However, he did point out the billboards which I've always thought were likely candidates for shooter positions.

I want to thank all the courageous people who were there and who went public with their videos that reveal a much different reality than the "lone gunman" fiction foisted upon us by "law enforcement".

[Hervé]

Eyewitness describes police shooting suspect at Delano hotel after Route 91 massacre

Niall Bradley Sott.net
Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:07 UTC

An eyewitness of the Las Vegas shooting massacre on October 1st claims to have heard gunshots fired on the ground floor of the Delano hotel after the gunfire from the Mandalay Bay had ended and both hotels went into lock-down.

Cited as both Jake Freedman or Jack Friedman in subsequent media reports, the full audio statement provided by this eyewitness to ABC News, who was a guest at the Delano, included key details left out by all media outlets who quoted his interview comments.

After witnessing the venue massacre from the Skyfall Lounge at the top of the Delano resort next to the Mandalay Bay, Freedman twice went downstairs to the ground floor.

The first time he went down, he saw pandemonium as people entered his hotel in search of safety from the venue. He then ventured downstairs a second time; probably some time after the massacre because he states that the ground floor of the Delano was at this time deserted.

He says that this time he encountered police officers there who told him to "run away", after which he heard gunshots close by, leading him to think that police may have been "dealing with the shooter":

Transcript

"A little bit later, I got on Periscope and started broadcasting. I had a little over 10,000 viewers watching. I was down there when it was evacuated and there was nobody out there. Front desk was gone, it was totally like a ghost town. We met up with these other guys who were also looking, trying to find information.

We met up with these security guards and police officers who asked us what we were doing and told us to 'run away!' We heard gunshots from around the corner. We were in the Delano, right next to a walkway that connects the Mandalay Bay and the Delano. We heard gunshots from right at that hallway, so we think that the police were dealing with the shooter while we were down there."

With Paddock upstairs in suite 135-32 of the adjoining Mandalay, this would obviously not have been 'the' shooter but another shooter or accomplice. There is a report on the first police scanner audio (see 'Annex - Transcript of LVMPD police scanner') that potentially corroborates this eyewitness's testimony. At time-stamp 54:15, which I estimate to be roughly 11pm, a police officer describes a suspect at the Delano:

"We are near the Sports Book at Mandalay Bay. We have one male wearing a... WMA [white adult male] it looks to us... maroon or black shirt. [shouting in background] He didn't listen to us... in towards the Delano."

Recall Jake's description of the location where he heard these gunshots; inside the walkway linking the Delano to the Mandalay Bay. The Sports Book Grill restaurant is located along this walkway:

[Click to enlarge] An outline of the walkway connecting the Mandalay Bay and the Delano resorts (via Google Maps)

The walkway linking the Delano to the Mandalay Bay. Did police encounter and shoot at a suspect here?© onemileatatime.boardingarea.com

It appears that the Las Vegas police and the FBI have more questions to answer: did LVMPD officers encounter and shoot someone at this location? Did they wound this 'white adult male'? Did they kill him? If he was taken into custody, is he a suspect in the worst mass shooting in US history?

[Harley]

Posted by Paul (here)
.
Here's the best footage I've seen yet, shot using a GoPro (better for action shooting than a cell phone camera) by someone who was in the back of the crowd and got away in the initial group running away.

It's 15 minutes of clear on the ground footage, from 3 minutes before to 12 minutes after the opening shots, by which time he is across Las Vegas Blvd, north of the Mandalay Bay, between the Luxor and the Excalibur.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=muiHkkbPpdU

Someone with better hearing than I have may want to analyze the sounds of the shots some more. There are over 400 comments on the Youtube post of this video, with various, conflicting (of course), comments.

OK Paul, now you've gone and done it! I haven't done any of this analysis before but now I can't resist!

Watched this several times, first focusing my attention on sounds and then focusing my attention on people's reactions.

Here is what I heard and seen:

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This video perspective is from a gate at the rear of the venue, far from the stage.

3:12 - Single Shot
3:17 - Single Shot immediately followed by Firecrackers.

Listening closely I can distinctly hear the difference in the sound and the volume between the Single Shot and the Firecrackers. This leads me to believe that the Firecrackers were further away (probably up near the stage) and the Single Shot was much closer to the rear of the venue, possibly on the opposite side of the rear gate (To the right of the camera's perspective).
The Firecracker sounds continue up to:

3:20 - Single Shot followed by one more Firecracker
3:32 - One person running fast in front of the camera, heading for the entrance gate (Random?).
3:37 - Single Shot and people are beginning to run from the right of the camera towards the gate
3:41 - Mass Exodus is beginning, mostly from the right of the camera.
3:51 - Single Shot AND Automatic Fire begins

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After writing the above I went looking around a little until I found this interview which I watched in it's entirety.

This is Stephanie, who was standing at ground level near one of the VIP Suites, which appears to have been to the right of the camera's location in the above video.

Stephanie describes hearing

One single loud bang right behind me [...] and this was a single loud huge bang right behind me, and I turn around and look and I see that someone has fallen and the group of people that are with this person is helping her up or trying to figure out what's going on, and I'm observing this as well [...] and maybe 40 seconds later some shooting goes off on the crowd and that's like when it was automatic gunfire, completely different from the first one.

Stephanie also provided a short video clip (taken by someone else) which shows her and her reaction, as described in her above statement.

(If you have not watched this interview before, please do)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WrltjkjjsAQ

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The First Victim?

Stephanie's statements appear to agree quite nicely with my Sight and Sound analysis of Paul's video.

The woman that Stephanie witnessed falling after hearing the first loud bang was possibly, and quite likely (in my view), the first shooting victim.

But how could that be when she would have been (mostly) shielded from the sniper at Mandalay Bay? Exactly! (This is my point)

Single Shot

The Single Shots that I mentioned were possibly, and quite likely (in my view), from a Pistol(s) or a Hand Gun(s) as opposed to a (Semi)-Automatic Weapon. I've been around firearms all my life and that's what it sounds like to me.

Thought Exercise: With security at the gate and everywhere else, what type of Firearm would be the most conducive to a person who was planning to walk into a large crowd with the intention of shooting a bunch of people, and then expecting to escape safely amongst the masses of panicking people?

There may have been other gunmen in the crowd too, I don't know. But it appears to me that the above is where it all started.

It also appears to me that this may have been a coordinated effort and that the shooters were most likely in communication with one another.

Just like all Tactical Units operate.

[Tintin]

Posted by Harley (here)

Posted by Paul (here)
.
Here's the best footage I've seen yet, shot using a GoPro (better for action shooting than a cell phone camera) by someone who was in the back of the crowd and got away in the initial group running away.

It's 15 minutes of clear on the ground footage, from 3 minutes before to 12 minutes after the opening shots, by which time he is across Las Vegas Blvd, north of the Mandalay Bay, between the Luxor and the Excalibur.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=muiHkkbPpdU

Someone with better hearing than I have may want to analyze the sounds of the shots some more. There are over 400 comments on the Youtube post of this video, with various, conflicting (of course), comments.

OK Paul, now you've gone and done it! I haven't done any of this analysis before but now I can't resist!

Watched this several times, first focusing my attention on sounds and then focusing my attention on people's reactions.

Here is what I heard and seen:

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This video perspective is from a gate at the rear of the venue, far from the stage.

3:12 - Single Shot
3:17 - Single Shot immediately followed by Firecrackers.

Listening closely I can distinctly hear the difference in the sound and the volume between the Single Shot and the Firecrackers. This leads me to believe that the Firecrackers were further away (probably up near the stage) and the Single Shot was much closer to the rear of the venue, possibly on the opposite side of the rear gate (To the right of the camera's perspective).
The Firecracker sounds continue up to:

3:20 - Single Shot followed by one more Firecracker
3:32 - One person running fast in front of the camera, heading for the entrance gate (Random?).
3:37 - Single Shot and people are beginning to run from the right of the camera towards the gate
3:41 - Mass Exodus is beginning, mostly from the right of the camera.
3:51 - Single Shot AND Automatic Fire begins

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After writing the above I went looking around a little until I found this interview which I watched in it's entirety.

This is Stephanie, who was standing at ground level near one of the VIP Suites, which appears to have been to the right of the camera's location in the above video.

Stephanie describes hearing

One single loud bang right behind me [...] and this was a single loud huge bang right behind me, and I turn around and look and I see that someone has fallen and the group of people that are with this person is helping her up or trying to figure out what's going on, and I'm observing this as well [...] and maybe 40 seconds later some shooting goes off on the crowd and that's like when it was automatic gunfire, completely different from the first one.

Stephanie also provided a short video clip (taken by someone else) which shows her and her reaction, as described in her above statement.

(If you have not watched this interview before, please do)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WrltjkjjsAQ

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The First Victim?

Stephanie's statements appear to agree quite nicely with my Sight and Sound analysis of Paul's video.

The woman that Stephanie witnessed falling after hearing the first loud bang was possibly, and quite likely (in my view), the first shooting victim.

But how could that be when she would have been (mostly) shielded from the sniper at Mandalay Bay? Exactly! (This is my point)

Single Shot

The Single Shots that I mentioned were possibly, and quite likely (in my view), from a Pistol(s) or a Hand Gun(s) as opposed to a (Semi)-Automatic Weapon. I've been around firearms all my life and that's what it sounds like to me.

Thought Exercise: With security at the gate and everywhere else, what type of Firearm would be the most conducive to a person who was planning to walk into a large crowd with the intention of shooting a bunch of people, and then expecting to escape safely amongst the masses of panicking people?

There may have been other gunmen in the crowd too, I don't know. But it appears to me that the above is where it all started.

It also appears to me that this may have been a coordinated effort and that the shooters were most likely in communication with one another.

Just like all Tactical Units operate.

Yes, I've already linked to three pieces of different interview with Stephanie, here, including this one, the original Fox one, and the walkabout with Jason Goodman: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1186622

All should be listened to in their entirety. She's 100 percent the real deal as an eye-witness, absolutely.

[Harley]

Posted by Tintin Quarantino (here)
Yes, I've already linked to three pieces of different interview with Stephanie, here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1186622

All should be listened to in their entirety. She's 100 percent the real deal as an eye-witness, absolutely.

Cool!

But did you read what I wrote?

[Tintin]

Posted by Harley (here)

Posted by Tintin Quarantino (here)
Yes, I've already linked to three pieces of different interview with Stephanie, here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1186622

All should be listened to in their entirety. She's 100 percent the real deal as an eye-witness, absolutely.

Cool!

But did you read what I wrote?

I did and it mirrors exactly what I determine also to be the case. Truman and Paul have nailed it as well. Any student of JFK, 9/11 will have drawn the immediate parallel here at the point the MSM rolled out their version. And I mean, and I certainly did, within minutes of it being broadcast. This was definitely a privately contracted job executed with military precision, probably involving rogue Israeli, CIA, whichever agency, working for a deep deep state.

Along with the all important testimony of eye-witnesses, lines of future enquiry simply must include this angle or investigators will be disappearing down rabbit holes only to be forever confused. Add in a little gematria and the true perpetrators obsession with **symbolism in its negative aspect and anyone can get there a little more quickly.

Hopefully people will feel bold enough to come out and share what they know, saw, filmed and experienced - this is huge, and also an incredibly saddening event. This is my overwhelming sensation, sadness and a certain empathy, with occasional and very occasional anger. (A little of the fervent rage of youth occasionally rears its head, still.)

May take another 5 years or so for more strands or evidence to complete the picture fully; I don't think it'll take as long as the JFK or 9/11 investigating this time around.

Nice work everybody here who is trying to pull the pieces together.

**Postscript: a search on Mandalay Camp on this site would be of some interest to those inquisitive on a piece of symbolism: https://exposebohemiangrove.org/. The 2004 list contains a fascinating cast of characters familiar to many of us here. The Mandalay Camp is apparently one of, if not the most prestigious of those in the Grove.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Harley (here)
OK Paul, now you've gone and done it! I haven't done any of this analysis before but now I can't resist!

You're a stubborn one .

Posted by Harley (here)
Watched this several times, first focusing my attention on sounds and then focusing my attention on people's reactions.

Here is what I heard and seen:

3:32 - One person running fast in front of the camera, heading for the entrance gate (Random?).
3:37 - Single Shot and people are beginning to run from the right of the camera towards the gate
3:41 - Mass Exodus is beginning, mostly from the right of the camera.

But that first shot that Stephanie heard, the loud shot that scared her and caused her to turn around to see that someone was down in the VIP section behind her ... that was all happening to the left of the camera, not the right. This is not making sense to me.

The first three minutes of camera from the GoPro video that I posted show the stage and the crowd (as seen from the back of the crowd), and the Mandalay Bay a little to the right of the stage, further off. It also shows the VIP section close and to the left of the camera.

Then the video clip shown at 18:39 into the interview with Stephanie that you (and earlier Tintin Quarantino) posted shows that same VIP section and when panning further left, away from the stage, it shows the purple lit up backside tower of the Tropicana, which is on almost the opposite side of the festival grounds from the Mandalay Bay.

Then in the walkabout by Stephanie with Jason Goodman that Tintin Quarantino also posted, she clearly points out the VIP area, stage right, on the right side of the audience viewed from the stage. This is consistent with the VIP area being on the left side of audience members (and of the GoPro camera shooter), when they are viewing the stage.

So ... you clear use of the word "right" confuses me.

[Cidersomerset]

Alex talks about this vid of the ambulances outside Hooters half way through
first vid. I know lots of people were taken from event by truck etc, so I
don't know if Hooters was used as a staging post or something was
happening inside ? I have not looked at third vid as I am late for work now...LOL


MASSIVE COVER UP! VIDEO: EMT/AMBULANCE PULLS VICTIMS OUT OF HOOTERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUQ-LgcUSYs

Published on 22 Oct 2017


Alex Jones talks about how On the night of October 1, Youtuber Benjamin
Franks and his friend had just grabbed some tacos and were heading back
to their hotel room at the MGM when they noticed a separate disturbance
at the corner of Las Vegas Blvd and Tropicana Ave.
15-minutes later, from the leisure of his hotel room, Franks managed to
capture bombshell video footage which shows a total of 17 ambulances
removing human bodies from Hooters, contradicting the official story told
by Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo.
https://www.infowars.com/vegas-bombsh...

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What the Hell is Happening Here at Hooters/Las Vegas on Oct. 1st (NEW VIDEO)

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qxDotdijP5Y

Published on 21 Oct 2017
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Mandalay Bay Las Vegas Shooting Aftermath perspective from MGM Grand

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v3JwEbBMt-Q

Published on 21 Oct 2017


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Me and my buddy went to vegas for two days. This was our first day there
and had been out on the strip earlier but drove to circus circus later on. We
had just gotten tacos when we finally reached tropicana and las vegas blvd
is when we saw everyone running and all the police. We were lucky to get to
the mgm parking garage and into our room about 15 minutes later and thats
when this video starts. WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON.

[Harley]

Hi Paul,

Let me show you how I came to the conclusion that Stephanie's location was to the right of the GoPro, on the other side of the field.

I rotated this Google Map shot 180 deg. so we are looking in the same direction as the GoPro.

I see:
* Mandalay Bay in the upper-right corner.
* The stage and big screen (green roof) at the top-center of the concert field.
* VIP Suites just below the stage on both sides of the field.
* An entrance/exit just below and to the left of the VIP Suite on the left.



According to the panning and the views of the GoPro, it should be positioned just below and a little to the right of the Left-Side VIP Suite. I say this because:

* The stage and big screen are in the center of it's view.
* The VIP Suite the GoPro is closest to is to the left of it's view.
* The Entrance/Exit Gate is further to the left but out of this view.

But that first shot that Stephanie heard, the loud shot that scared her and caused her to turn around to see that someone was down in the VIP section behind her ... that was all happening to the left of the camera, not the right.

Watching the GoPro as it pans further to the left you will see the Entrance/Exit gate.

From this angle you have to pan the camera to the right to bring the stage back into view. Which also indicates that all of the activity is occurring to the Right of the GoPro.

Bear with me now!

Now let's take a look at Stephanie's Cam-View.

If this cam was positioned in front of the left-side VIP Suite, then when it pans to the left it would have been panning towards the Entrance/Exit Gate, and further towards the left the GoPro position. But that's not what we see in Stephanie's video.

Stephanie's Cam: VIP Suite


Stephanie's Cam: Panned to the Left


Oh heck. In an attempt to make it more understandable: If you took both cams and placed them back-to-back, in-order to bring the Stage into view of both cameras you'd have to:

Pan Stephanie's cam to the Left. (Check)
Pan the GoPro to the Right. (Check)
Which indicates to me that Stephanie's position is to the Right of the GoPro.

And sure enough, when watching the GoPro the first exodus of people is coming from the Right with little to no activity from people on the Left.

I sure hope I got all my Lefts and Rights correct. The old boy is getting tired!

One more comment:

Looking at the Google Map shot again, you should be able to see why I made the statement that the woman who was (likely) shot in Stephanie's video would have been (mostly) protected from the direction of the Mandalay Bay (Which greatly supports the claims from witnesses of (a) shooter(s) inside the venue).

[Tintin]

And again, already posted here https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1186632 before. Thanks for sharing it again though.

Maybe I should link to the youtube so it stands out more in future, but, the reason I don't always is because not everyone will have resource to download, but tvclip.biz provides a nice little green download button that then prompts an mp4 link and hey presto, job done

It's busy here and easy to miss things, but, a little more patience and taking time to read through everything, and I mean everything, may help us to avoid too much repetition.

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Alex talks about this vid of the ambulances outside Hooters half way through
first vid. I know lots of people were taken from event by truck etc, so I
don't know if Hooters was used as a staging post or something was
happening inside ? I have not looked at third vid as I am late for work now...LOL


MASSIVE COVER UP! VIDEO: EMT/AMBULANCE PULLS VICTIMS OUT OF HOOTERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUQ-LgcUSYs

Published on 22 Oct 2017


Alex Jones talks about how On the night of October 1, Youtuber Benjamin
Franks and his friend had just grabbed some tacos and were heading back
to their hotel room at the MGM when they noticed a separate disturbance
at the corner of Las Vegas Blvd and Tropicana Ave.
15-minutes later, from the leisure of his hotel room, Franks managed to
capture bombshell video footage which shows a total of 17 ambulances
removing human bodies from Hooters, contradicting the official story told
by Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo.
https://www.infowars.com/vegas-bombsh...

============================================


What the Hell is Happening Here at Hooters/Las Vegas on Oct. 1st (NEW VIDEO)

HighImpactFlix

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qxDotdijP5Y

Published on 21 Oct 2017
If you like my videos and want to support more content on my heavily
censored, demonetized channel:

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Mandalay Bay Las Vegas Shooting Aftermath perspective from MGM Grand

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v3JwEbBMt-Q

Published on 21 Oct 2017


Donate to Benjamin Franks Channel:
https://www.paypal.com/donate/?token=...

Me and my buddy went to vegas for two days. This was our first day there
and had been out on the strip earlier but drove to circus circus later on. We
had just gotten tacos when we finally reached tropicana and las vegas blvd
is when we saw everyone running and all the police. We were lucky to get to
the mgm parking garage and into our room about 15 minutes later and thats
when this video starts. WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Harley (here)
Stephanie's Cam: Panned to the Left

I was pretty much with you up until this line.

I could'a sworn that that view you show as being "Stephanie's Cam: Panned to the Left, the view of the stage from the "stage right" side with the Mandalay Bay behind the stage, was seen when Stephanie panned right from the VIP section, not left.

When Stephanie panned left, I thought I saw the purple lit backside tower of the Tropicana. P.S. -- Yes - verified. See the 19:06 mark in Stephanie's interview. She's just panned left, toward the rear of the festival grounds, and the purple lit backside tower of the Tropican is in view, with the stage and the Mandalay Bay out of view, to her rear.

P.P.S. -- But if both the GoPro and Stephanie's camera were looking toward the VIP area, not toward the stage, then I agree that Stephanie would be to the right of the GoPro. The GoPro was at the back end of the VIP area, a little bit further from the stage than was Stephanie, who was one or two sections of the VIP structure closer to the stage

Posted by Harley (here)
And sure enough, when watching the GoPro the first exodus of people is coming from the Right with little to no activity from people on the Left.

That's what I saw too -- the first exodus coming from the right of the GoPro. I took that to mean that the first exodus was not prompted by the shooting in the VIP area, but rather prompted by something else that happened stage left, more on the other side (more on the right side, from the audience perspective) of the grounds than any of the VIP area, Stephanie or the GoPro camera.

[Ewan]

As I looked at this map I recalled hearing a bullet had found its way to the fuel tanks. Assuming all targets were in the concert area, there seems to be only one logical place for that bullet to have begun its journey - and that is from the grounds of the concert itself.

[Hervé]

...

Here is to get acquainted with where is what:

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-shooting.html


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Guests on upper floor of Las Vegas hotel watch people flee during deadly shooting: (Credit: Twitter/EirikurH via Storyful) #vegasshooting

5:20 AM - 2 Oct 2017

Theatre terminology:

House left/right are from the audience's perspective

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I may be wrong, but from the best I could judge, the locations of the GoPro witness and Stephanie are marked as X's on these two images (thanks Harley and Hervé for posting them - makes it easier to take in the layout of the area)

Green 'X' - Stephanie's location
Red 'X' - GoPro guy

[TargeT]

Posted by Harley (here)

The Single Shots that I mentioned were possibly, and quite likely (in my view), from a Pistol(s) or a Hand Gun(s) as opposed to a (Semi)-Automatic Weapon.

Just to clarify:

Most firearms are semi-automatic (handguns / pistols included)

Semi auto is a term that describes how the firearm will reload it's chamber via kinetic energy from the previous shot. Semi-auto weapons do not have a distinctive sound, they will generally have an increase in their rate of fire.

now, most hand guns / pistols do have a "lighter load" ammunition (less gun powder, smaller casings) when compared to a long barrel rifle, which gives them a different audio profile.



As you can see the two rifle rounds on the right have a lot more powder (bigger casing) and will travel at much higher speeds with more energy transfer on impact.

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
That was my first thought and I wondered whether the weapon, distance or
focus comes into play ? I could not see anything coming from the windows
either , but maybe there is a simple answer ? obviously other shooters ,
though I am not an analyst.

They would definitely be visible.

example ( go to 1:33) :

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=31vm3-BQRJU

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
I may be wrong, but from the best I could judge, the locations of the GoPro witness and Stephanie are marked as X's on these two images (thanks Harley and Hervé for posting them - makes it easier to take in the layout of the area)

Yes - I agree on those positions. Thanks for posting those images and marking the spots.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TargeT (here)
They would definitely be visible.

Dang - I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of that kind of fire power .