Mass shooting in Texas Church, 26 dead

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Caliban (here)
Do we even know if anyone was actually harmed in this thing? I really think we should be asking that question.

I highly doubt there is any deeper subterfuge. 26 people are clearly dead in my opinion. These terrible events do happen for real. Besides, this one is not something you can easily disguise in a town as small as Sutherland Springs. According to wikipedia, its population was 362 as of 2000. 26 people equates to a little over 7% of the entire population. That's a huge and very conspicuous dent to the community. You could not invent or fabricate those losses.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
I highly doubt there is any deeper subterfuge. 26 people are clearly dead in my opinion.

I'm confident that there is deeper subterfuge ... just not the particular sort of subterfuge involving no innocent victims being shot.

Rather I presume that portions of the deep state, in various ways, make conditions ripe for such incidents, in ways covering broad portions of the population, in ways more focused on particular sorts of susceptible individuals, and in ways focused on specific individuals.

[Cidersomerset]

Domestic situation in the family , Shooter ultimately shot himself , There was video
footage taken in the church , He was dressed in black with a white scull face,
he did not have a gun licence .....

Texas Rangers: Intent Of Church Shooter Devin Patrick Kelley
Linked To Domestic Situation | NBC News

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zHBSmPS9Sf4

Published on 6 Nov 2017
A spokesman for the Texas Rangers says Devin Patrick Kelley, the man who
opened fire at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, and killed 26
people, was involved with a domestic situation in the days leading up to the massacre.

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Longer version....

Law enforcement officials hold news conference on Texas church shooting

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4VAjisGO9IU

Streamed

live 2 hours ago
ABC Radio coverage of the update on the deadly Texas shooting.

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Breaking: How Shooter Purchased Guns Legally, Exposed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POuBrx1BNGE

Published on 6 Nov 2017
Infowars reporter Rob Dew breaks down the latest from Southerland-Springs
Shooting press conference including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns
going back to 2014

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CNN News: Texas Baptist Church: Johnny Langendorff Hero: Chased Devin Kelley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9xyY0wbcKo
Published on 6 Nov 2017
Texas shooting: Gunman Devin Kelley sent 'threatening texts' to mother-in-law
who attended church

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Texas shooting: Gunman Devin Kelley 'had row with mother-in-law'


Kelley is believed to have been in a family row with his ex-wife and in-laws, police say

Texas church gunman Devin Patrick Kelley was armed with three guns and had
argued with his mother-in-law before the rampage, officials say.

The attack on the small church outside San Antonio during Sunday services left 26
people dead and 20 injured.

Kelley called his father after he was shot by an armed bystander and said he did
not think he would survive.

He was not legally permitted to own the weapons, which included a semi-automatic
rifle and two handguns.


read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41892838#

[Caliban]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Caliban (here)
Do we even know if anyone was actually harmed in this thing? I really think we should be asking that question.

I highly doubt there is any deeper subterfuge. 26 people are clearly dead in my opinion. These terrible events do happen for real. Besides, this one is not something you can easily disguise in a town as small as Sutherland Springs. According to wikipedia, its population was 362 as of 2000. 26 people equates to a little over 7% of the entire population. That's a huge and very conspicuous dent to the community. You could not invent or fabricate those losses.

They can invent and fabricate anything they want, and they do. Granted, this is a very small town. Sandy Hook is a small community. And look what happened--didn't happen--there.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Caliban (here)

They can invent and fabricate anything they want, and they do. Granted, this is a very small town. Sandy Hook is a small community. And look what happened--didn't happen--there.

Yes, they can and do. But you have to be VERY, VERY careful. There's a world of difference between a hoax (Sandy Hook), a false flag (Las Vegas), and a possibly stimulated event (Texas, yesterday) — 'stimulated' here meaning someone who's genuinely unstable and hateful being unpredictably triggered by other events and publicity.

People definitely died in Las Vegas. It's way more than 100% clear and established. And yesterday in Texas, too.

While we may be smart and wise to question everything — if only once — we also have to be sincerely respectful to those who actually died.

I'll always forgive anyone who asks a genuine question because of something they just don't understand. For instance, some people don't know much about astronomy or physics, because that's not their thing. That's no hanging offense.

So an adult can sometimes ask simple questions as if from a child. That's okay. (I once had a friend, aged 20, an art student and a really nice person, who had no idea what stars were. She thought they were just little lights in the sky. She was staggered when I explained. )

But in this community we expect intelligent and aware members to be able to learn from one another, and be committed to sort out the facts from the fiction. That one of the forum's functions. Anyone who at this stage continues to ignore documented facts and multiple, sincere witness reports and beat the drum that no-one died in Las Vegas (and Jeff Rense has talked about this passionately a number of times now) is actually causing harm.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
I highly doubt there is any deeper subterfuge. 26 people are clearly dead in my opinion.

I'm confident that there is deeper subterfuge ... just not the particular sort of subterfuge involving no innocent victims being shot.

Rather I presume that portions of the deep state, in various ways, make conditions ripe for such incidents, in ways covering broad portions of the population, in ways more focused on particular sorts of susceptible individuals, and in ways focused on specific individuals.

Yes completely agree, was only referring to the smoke and mirrors angle in that nobody was harmed/shot at all. There are definitely victims. It's possible the shooter was a kind of victim also, a down and out who was targeted, manoeuvred, and then mind-controlled to do this.

Posted by Caliban (here)
They can invent and fabricate anything they want, and they do. Granted, this is a very small town. Sandy Hook is a small community. And look what happened--didn't happen--there.

Yes agree. They can and will fake anything if necessary. It's highly likely Sandy Hook, as you say, was one such incident where everything was fake. But I'm positive this is different, where the death and carnage is very real, as it was in Orlando and Las Vegas. However the agenda behind them all is the same.

[kudzy]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
There's a world of difference between a hoax (Sandy Hook), a false flag (Las Vegas), and a possibly stimulated event (Texas, yesterday)

Greetings Bill and all:

I've stated previously here and here that children really did die at Sandy Hook. I have a relative that was in that school on the day of the shooting, they live in the same neighborhood as Adam Lanza. Also, a guy that grew up on the same street as my best high school buddy responded to the scene and has been traumatized as a result.

This is not the thread to debate what happened at SH and I'm not interested in debating. I just felt compelled to state what I know. That's all. Peace

[Caliban]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
I highly doubt there is any deeper subterfuge. 26 people are clearly dead in my opinion.

I'm confident that there is deeper subterfuge ... just not the particular sort of subterfuge involving no innocent victims being shot.

Rather I presume that portions of the deep state, in various ways, make conditions ripe for such incidents, in ways covering broad portions of the population, in ways more focused on particular sorts of susceptible individuals, and in ways focused on specific individuals.

Yes completely agree, was only referring to the smoke and mirrors angle in that nobody was harmed/shot at all. There are definitely victims. It's possible the shooter was a kind of victim also, a down and out who was targeted, manoeuvred, and then mind-controlled to do this.

Posted by Caliban (here)
They can invent and fabricate anything they want, and they do. Granted, this is a very small town. Sandy Hook is a small community. And look what happened--didn't happen--there.

Yes agree. They can and will fake anything if necessary. It's highly likely Sandy Hook, as you say, was one such incident where everything was fake. But I'm positive this is different, where the death and carnage is very real, as it was in Orlando and Las Vegas. However the agenda behind them all is the same.

Star Mariner, thank you for clarifying. I'd like to respectfully suggest looking a little deeper into Orlando. That was an extremely suspect event with many holes in the official story. Not sure if they're there -- since so many have been removed -- but there were excellent videos on YT showing why this couldn't have been true, at least, as told.

[Cidersomerset]

This is not the thread to debate what happened at SH and I'm not interested in debating.
I just felt compelled to state what I know. That's all. Peace

My take and I have covered most of the events since 7/7 is that there is a combination
going on false flags definitely and most if not all are real in the sense people died , even
those that were using crisis actors and other distractions and because many were initiated
while drills were going on , then went live most famously on 9/11 and 7/7 to keep the
event how ever large as in the former , under overall control of the situation.

Boston seemed contrived so were others ,underwear bomber , Oswald the list goes on that
far more was going on than the mainstream were allowed to cover. There are also genuine
events and this is probably one of those there is a long list of mass murderers through history
as well , these are only brief comments to a massive subject....

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This can not be coincidence....

Peter Power a former anti-terrorism police officer tells how it was planned as
TPTB have to tell the public what is going on by hiding the truth in plain sight.
Remember Jane Stanley building 7 on 9/11. It does not mean they knew what
was going on......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

BBC Radio - Drills Ran on day of london bombings 7-7-05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEbUQiYOGjU

The Government was running drills of bombings at exact same stations at the exact
same times - reported by BBC on the day. This news was not reported thereafter.
This is a BBC Radio Interview with Peter Power head of visor consultants, a crisis
managment firm based in London.

7/7 London Terror Drills go LIVE...London TV interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jInH6VS13YY

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BBC Panorama: London Under Attack (the show that predicted 7/7)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7uIjg9dtoI
Broadcast on May 16th 2004, this show features a fiction terrorist attack very
similar to the real attack of 7/7 a year later. The show's panel of experts included
Peter Power, the former anti-terrorism police officer who was running a training
exercise on the day of 7/7.

There of course is much more and I'm sure most on here has seen this but just
in case anyone new is tuning in ......

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Anyone who at this stage continues to ignore documented facts and multiple, sincere witness reports and beat the drum that no-one died in Las Vegas (and Jeff Rense has talked about this passionately a number of times now) is actually causing harm.

Jeff Rense's strongest statement: (well worth listening to, in my opinion)

Jeff [Rense] & Gary Holland - Those Who Deny People Died In Vegas Are Either Intel Assets Or Fools

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I_79SXxybQQ

[TargeT]

CNN, at it again with the latest "event".

[Satori]

“However, cops can’t be everywhere. There are at best only a couple hundred thousand on duty at any given time patrolling the entire country. Excellent response time is in the three-five minute range. We’ve seen what bad guys can do in three minutes, but sometimes it is far worse. They simply can’t teleport. So in some cases that means the bad guys can have ten, fifteen, even twenty minutes to do horrible things with nobody effectively fighting back.

So if we can’t have cops there, what can we do?

The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5. The reason is simple. The armed civilians are there when it started.”

Source:

https://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2...n-gun-control/

[Helene West]

I've copied a link below to former FBI investigator now paranormal investigator, John DeSouza, interviewed by Jordan Sather on Destroying the Illusion. The interview took place on October 20th, after Las Vegas shooting. He is a clairaudient.

They speak about a variety of topics but the reason I'm including the link here is because tells young Jordan that the Las Vegas shooting failed for the globalists. They want global human disarmament but because the event raised so many questions and criticisms immediately it was a failure. He believed it was meant to have the entire country screaming for gun control but instead it was taken off the daily talking heads show because of its many flaws. He said he was shocked how quickly they removed the Las Vegas shooting from the mainstream litany.

On the October 20th show he predicts they will try again very soon! He said he felt within 60 days they will try another shooting!!!

https://youtu.be/-3F6SZZIT-E

[Cidersomerset]

LIVE: Update From Scene Of Church Shooting

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WpFBsvOXM00

Published on 6 Nov 2017
Rob Dew reports live from the scene of the largest mass shooting in Texas history
with updates from press conferences.
Follow David Knight On Twitter: https://twitter.com/libertytarian

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Atheist Leftist Targeted Church To Get Back At Ex-Wife’s Family

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NVWT0ZeOn64

Published on 6 Nov 2017...Info wars
Rob Dew reports live from Sutherland, Texas on new details breaking from the
scene of the bloody Sunday massacre.

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Local Believes Shooter Was Going To A Larger Church After Massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lGyd3iNTp4
Published on 6 Nov 2017... Info wars

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Good Guys With Guns Stop The Bad Guy In Texas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVn4dFH-qYk
Published on 6 Nov 2017
Texas Governor Greg Abbott Says Sutherland Springs Shooter was Denied Gun
License for Dishonorable Discharge

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Search for answers after deadly Texas church shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD0ewG_jJDg

Published on 6 Nov 2017
Investigators are searching for answers after 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley
opened fire on the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Sunday,
killing at least 26 people. David Katz, president and CEO of Global Security Group
and a former U.S. federal agent, joins CBSN to discuss the investigation and the
shooter's possible motive

[Helene West]

Posted by Satori (here)
“However, cops can’t be everywhere. There are at best only a couple hundred thousand on duty at any given time patrolling the entire country. Excellent response time is in the three-five minute range. We’ve seen what bad guys can do in three minutes, but sometimes it is far worse. They simply can’t teleport. So in some cases that means the bad guys can have ten, fifteen, even twenty minutes to do horrible things with nobody effectively fighting back.

So if we can’t have cops there, what can we do?

The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5. The reason is simple. The armed civilians are there when it started.”

Source:

https://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2...n-gun-control/

Thanks Satori. It is common sense that in this society civilians who so choose and go about it legally should be armed. I may be wrong but I feel that many in the congregation probably were licensed but just didn't think to bring their gun to their little sunday service. That will all change.
As attorney Lionel states mainstream won't mention the two heros who chased him and shot him down. Thank God for Texans, they fight back.

[East Sun]

I have a stupid question?

It must be possible to get names of the victims, even by contacting the people who say their relative was
shot or injured. Don't journalists do that or are certain journalists not allowed to get that info.

Do the police ban others from gathering info. and what about all those who 'died' and people visiting
the victims in hospital .
Is that all locked out?

I'm curious as I don't know?

Anyone?

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...

haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks. There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.

[Michelle Marie]

Posted by Helene West (here)
I've copied a link below to former FBI investigator now paranormal investigator, John DeSouza, interviewed by Jordan Sather on Destroying the Illusion. The interview took place on October 20th, after Las Vegas shooting. He is a clairaudient.

They speak about a variety of topics but the reason I'm including the link here is because tells young Jordan that the Las Vegas shooting failed for the globalists. They want global human disarmament but because the event raised so many questions and criticisms immediately it was a failure. He believed it was meant to have the entire country screaming for gun control but instead it was taken off the daily talking heads show because of its many flaws. He said he was shocked how quickly they removed the Las Vegas shooting from the mainstream litany.

On the October 20th show he predicts they will try again very soon! He said he felt within 60 days they will try another shooting!!!

https://youtu.be/-3F6SZZIT-E

Wow! That's really a great video.

Just wanted to give you a special thanks!

MM

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Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...

haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks. There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.

Why name-calling at all?

[Michelle Marie]

Posted by East Sun (here)
I have a stupid question?

It must be possible to get names of the victims, even by contacting the people who say their relative was
shot or injured. Don't journalists do that or are certain journalists not allowed to get that info.

Do the police ban others from gathering info. and what about all those who 'died' and people visiting
the victims in hospital .
Is that all locked out?

I'm curious as I don't know?

Anyone?

Well, in the video that Helene West provided, the ex FBI agent John DeSouza mentions that a 28 year old girl who was going to organize the witnesses of the Las Vegas shooting is no longer alive. I don't know what all information is being suppressed, but it seems the whole truth may not be easy to come by.

Good question, though.

MM

[Michelle Marie]

Posted by Helene West (here)

Posted by Satori (here)
“However, cops can’t be everywhere. There are at best only a couple hundred thousand on duty at any given time patrolling the entire country. Excellent response time is in the three-five minute range. We’ve seen what bad guys can do in three minutes, but sometimes it is far worse. They simply can’t teleport. So in some cases that means the bad guys can have ten, fifteen, even twenty minutes to do horrible things with nobody effectively fighting back.

So if we can’t have cops there, what can we do?

The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5. The reason is simple. The armed civilians are there when it started.”

Source:

https://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2...n-gun-control/

Thanks Satori. It is common sense that in this society civilians who so choose and go about it legally should be armed. I may be wrong but I feel that many in the congregation probably were licensed but just didn't think to bring their gun to their little sunday service. That will all change.
As attorney Lionel states mainstream won't mention the two heros who chased him and shot him down. Thank God for Texans, they fight back.

Yes, it seems the whole motive to disarm people is going to backfire, so to speak, and more people will be prepared.

This gives much strength to uphold the 2nd amendment. Maybe it will go farther...the entire Constitution and the Bill of Rights are going to be upheld with a unified nation and global support that will extend these rights around the world.

Those that think they are above the law will find the law above does work without fail.

MM