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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    so makes sense the saudi king was there to MEET somebody

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    Why The Purge In Saudi Could Be Good For America



    Published on 8 Nov 2017
    Roger Stone talks about the potential positive effects
    of the current political purges in Saudi Arabia.



    ==================================================

    Alex connects dots confirms Zak was picked up by the FBI , he also goes
    over the current geo - political situation in the middle east and confirms
    this is part of Trump conflict with the globalist/deepstate agenda ....

    Emergency Alert! Deep State Preparing To Launch Yemeni Terrorist Attacks In The US



    Published on 8 Nov 2017
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Wow ....Alex in breakdown mode a bit raw and I expect he will clean
    it up in a later report but he does connect many current dots and
    says Devin Kelley was probably used by the deep state....
    David Hawkins of Abel Danger would tend to agree with this...

    David Hawkins of Abel Danger on
    Serco, Holloman AFB & Devin Kelley

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Quote Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Wow ....Alex in breakdown mode a bit raw and I expect he will clean
    it up in a later report but he does connect many current dots and
    says Devin Kelley was probably used by the deep state....


    David Hawkins of Abel Danger would tend to agree with this...

    Its definitely a classic intel/CIA or who ever distraction play as
    Las Vegas was dying down in the mainstream except for Fox and
    now that is dead as the media cycle moves on . NY did not
    stop it but Texas seems to have apart from the alternate media.

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Here's I think a slightly better newer take on my earlier post #847 on page 43 that tackles the shooter on the RV. If ones eyes aren't playing the fool and this hasn't in any way been altered/manipulated to make the point, then, we may have something here that is quite concrete; more absolute evidence, captured, proving some of the eye-witness remarks about it feeling like someone was "in the crowd" - well, this could be as close as it gets, in lieu of any subsequent footage coming to light.



    And this one:

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

    Alex connects dots confirms Zak was picked up by the FBI , he also goes
    over the current geo - political situation in the middle east and confirms
    this is part of Trump conflict with the globalist/deepstate agenda ....

    Emergency Alert! Deep State Preparing To Launch Yemeni Terrorist Attacks In The US



    Published on 8 Nov 2017
    Thanks Cider. Alex turns in one of his most compelling presentations here. Strength to him and his army of helpers with the critical information they are providing.

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Thanks Harley. I was going to post this up as well, but the server became busy as we know

    The rooftop 'flashes' do look pretty convincing I think.

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Here is the uninterrupted sequence for those of you interested of going through it frame by frame, etc... :

    HD RAW Helicopter Near Excalibur -- Vegas Shooting October 1, 2017

    Adam Danischewski Published on Oct 18, 2017

    High quality RAW HD Video shot from in front of the Excalibur on October 1st, 2017 - shows a helicopter inexplicably flying low between the Mandalay Bay and Excalibur with its anti-collision and possibly a landing light or spotlight flashing on/strobing - for no reason?



    Of course, keep in mind the Flight Radar data with choppers switching off their transponders:

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    Calm Before The Storm - Answers to "Q's" 4chan Questions

    https://app.smartsheet.com/b/publish...c08ebbb1b444f6

    This will open as a smartsheet in your browser, answering many of the cryptic questions from the mysterious "Q" who has been posting questions at 4-Chan (it's also been saved as a 32 pp PDF at my end) - enjoy
    Yo! KiwiElf! Have a look at this latest SGT video.... it distinctly resembles the information that was provided in the link you placed in Post #918...

    YOU'RE ABOUT TO WITNESS WHAT WAS
    AN IMPOSSIBILITY JUST ONE YEAR AGO

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Latest from Abel Danger... This seemingly backs up the story regarding Harley's Post #901 the Sheik's attempted assassination attempt with his rapid departure from the Tropicana...
    ABEL DANGER

    Gunfight at the O.K. Las Vegas

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    The Vegas Shooting And The Saudi Connection

    Source: Reddit Conspiracy
    November 7, 2017

    People of Interest:
    (This list is a bit hard to follow because of the long names. This chart : http://www.businessinsider.com/a-whos-who-of-the-saudi-royal-family-2015-2 will help readers following these circumstances clarify who is who.)


    (Click for Larger Image)
    King Abdulaziz Ibn Saud (King Saud. Deceased): King of Saudi Arabia (1932-1953)
    King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Deceased): 5th son of King Saud. King of Saudi Arabia until his death in 2015. Successor is King Salman
    Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Henceforth King Salman): Current King of Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA). 8th son of deceased King Abdulaziz Ibn Saud.
    Mohammad bin Salman (Henceforth Crown Prince Mohammad): Son of King Salman. Currently next in line to be king after King Salman.
    Muqrin bin Abdulaziz (Former Deputy Crown Prince. Henceforth Muqrin): 9th son of deceased King Abdulaziz Ibn Saud. Was next in line to be king if King Salman had died before being crowned king. IS THE FATHER OF Mansour bin Muqrin bin Abdulaziz Al Saud. The man killed in the helicopter crash on November 5, 2017.
    Mansour bin Muqrin bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Henceforth Mansour): Son of Muqrin bin Abdulaziz. Died 11/5/2017, the day of the failed coup on the throne of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
    Alwaleed bin Talal (Henceforth Talal): Billionaire businessmen. Grandson of King Saud. Has ties to Democratic National Committee (DNC), Hillary Clinton and Podesta. Arrested 11/4/2017 for corruption. Owns The Four Seasons at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas (Four Seasons occupy the top floors of Mandalay Bay). Owns shares in Twitter as well as other high-tech silicon valley companies. Has had spats with Trump in the past.
    I know that’s a mouthful of names, but bear with me. Just remember 4 names: Salman, Mohammad, Muqrin, and Mansour.

    Do you remember how President Trump visited Saudi Arabia back in May of 2017? Do you remember how warmly he was greeted by King Salman? I do. It was a spectacle. Why was he greeted so welcomingly? After all, President Obama’s reception was… shall we say, less than grand. Do you remember how after Trump’s visit, Saudi Arabia started becoming more open in their policies? Women can drive there now. Did you notice how the Syrian rebellion became quiet? Did you notice how quickly ISIS was crushed after the visit? Why did Saudi Arabia suddenly want to get their oil companies listed on the NYSE? What could have caused this?

    To answer this, we have to look a little further back. Back to around 2010.

    It all goes back to fracking. You see, the Kindom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) has always relied heavily on its vast petrol reserves for wealth and prosperity. And they were ruthless. OPEC. The cartel of gasoline. You can’t count the number of times throughout history that OPEC used its power to crush governments, manipulate prices, control supplies, and fund activities. If there ever was a international group of bullies, OPEC was it. And at the head of this organisation was the mighty KSA.

    Then came the fracking boom. Suddenly, the world was no longer at the mercy of OPEC. This made them nervous. So, they did what they always do. They pumped out more petroleum, driving the price of gas to lowest in decades. What was their objective? To bankrupt these fracking businesses. KSA is rich. Very rich. They figured, we’ll just drive gas prices unbelievably low and take the loss until all these fracking business startups crumble. Do you remember how cheap gas got between 2013-2016? It was ridiculous, wasn’t it? But what they didn’t count on was just how cheap fracking had become. So many of these business didn’t go bankrupt. So they took another step. To convince the world that fracking was bad for the environment. So they lobbied and supplied funds to the Democratic party. Why? Because the leftist are usually the ones who support ANY and ALL environmental regulations. Do you remember all the legal battles that fracking had to go through? Hell, it’s still illegal in most blue states. Do you now understand why the Saudis donated so much money to the Clinton campaign? She was HEAVILY favoured to win and if she did, you can bet your ass that by making fracking illegal would have been on the top of Clinton’s list. This would have returned the US to dependence on Saudi oil. But…this didn’t work either. Fracking continued. And then, a sh!t storm of reality hit them hard.

    You see, KSA had vastly underestimated the amount of total shale reserves in North America. They had no idea that so much of this stuff exists. They thought maybe they could ride it out if the reserves would dry up in a decade or so. But nope. We have enough shale to supply us for at least 50 years. Hmmm…big problem.

    So, if you’re King Salman, what do you do? Well, there’s only one thing you can do. Give up the reliance on oil production and try to use existing wealth to stay wealthy. To modernize its trade to include more than just exports of oil. They would need to build an entire industrial country from scratch. To do that, he needed the help of the USA. And that’s where President Trump comes in.

    You see, the May 2017 meeting between Trump and King Salman (and his son Mohammad), was not just another meeting. It was a business meeting. King Salman asked Trump for help. Trump was more than willing to give it (like listing the oil companies on the NYSE) but his help would come with a price. Liberalisation and the stop of illegal funding. No more contributions to American politics. No more supplying funds to terrorists or splinter groups. King Salman took the deal. All of a sudden, women were allowed to drive. ISIS was retreating. Syrian rebels suddenly ran out of ammunition. Yay. All good up to this point.

    Now comes the bad

    Not all the royalties in KSA are into this. They don’t like losing the power they once had. What’s worse, they don’t want to become liberal. They now start resenting King Salmon. They start plotting against him. At the forefront of this movement is none other than the previous Deputy Crown Prince, Muqrin, and his son, Mansour (the man killed in the helicopter crash of 11/5/17).

    October 1, 2017: The top floors of Mandalay Bay isn’t Mandalay Bay, but is Four Seasons, owned by billionaire Talal. Who was occupying that whole floor that night? I can’t remember where, but I heard that the whole floor was reserved for that week. Now, no one would do that unless they were Saudi royalty. We don’t know for sure, but my guess is Crown Prince Mohammad. We know it wasn’t King Salman, because he was in Russia at the time. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...il-middle-east

    The plan is to take out the crown prince. Then kill King Salman. With the King and the Crown Prince dead, who is next in line? Yup. The former deputy crown prince, Muqrin. So, posing as terrorists who wanted to buy the guns for some terrorist attack, they dupe the CIA or FBI to supply the guns to the death squad. Their real plan is to climb the stairs right after the deal and kill the VIP in the floors above them. This is why the weapons cashe was located on the 32nd floor. They would only have to climb a few stairs or take the elevator up a little to start the killing. Now, here’s what happened that night:

    ** With the post from u/kneejerk55, I have modified the events of the night. I think it fits much better**

    Paddock is the contact man to supply the guns. He meets a couple of assassins ahead of time (remember, the shooting starts at 10:05). At this point, Paddock is thinking this is a gun deal. Only a few magazines are loaded. He merely wants to show the customers how to load the chamber etc… What he doesn’t know is that the advance team was sent to secure the floor. That all but one entry point to the floor would be barricaded (crucial since the reason Campos becomes suspicious of the blocked doors is what ultimately leads him to investigate) The reason for the barricade is that once the assault starts, the assassins want to make sure to impede the authorities as much as possible from reaching the top floors.

    CIA/FBI (or Trump’s own intelligence) got wind of the assassination that was about to take place. Immediate action is taken to round up the assassins. Remember, we’re talking about an army of assassins here. You can’t kill a Crown Prince who’s protected by 30 armed bodyguards by pulling a Jack Ruby. I estimate at least 20 assassins in total.

    What the assassins didn’t know was that the prince had disguised himself as a regular dude to enjoy the nightlife in Vegas. (Saudi princes have been known to do this) He had slipped away from the Mandalay and was at the Tropicana playing some cards. As soon as the FBI (or some other agency) learned of the assassination plot, they stormed the Tropicana and extracted the prince. The video can be seen here.

    During Las Vegas Shooting WHO is this guy
    being escorted out of the Tropicana #DNN



    They lead him out of the casino and escort him to the nearest helipad to be picked up. BUT, on the way, they encounter some resistance from a few assassins. Hence the firefight at the airport. Eventually, he makes it to the chopper and is whisked away. This explains the flight radar reports you see all over the net.

    Meanwhile, the FBI has gathered up as many of the assassins as they can. A few are armed with sidearms. They don’t have rifles yet because the rendezvous with Paddock hasn’t occurred yet. Hence the random firefights at various casinos that night. A few are killed. Hence the Laura Loomer videos of covered up dead people.

    Dead body in Mandalay Bay casino, Laura Loomer footage

    The assassins already in Paddock’s room gets a call. They are told that the Prince is not in his suite above. That he’s being escorted out of the Tropicana. They start panicking. If they get caught in this plot to assassinate the crown prince, not only are they dead, but their employer is dead as well. They come up with a plan. They will kill Paddock and start firing on the crowd below. They’re gonna make him a crazy lone gunman. So they kill Paddock. They break a window. They pick up a rifle and start firing at the crowd below. After a couple of mags, they realize that the other mags aren’t loaded! Holy f#ck. They start reloading as fast as possible. This is why the average time between bursts of fire is over 40 seconds. One of them gets an idea. Let me go to the other room and break that window and shoot at the fuel tanks at a nearby airport. This will draw the police away from the Mandalay and they can escape. So he goes and attempts just that. Unfortunately, the tanks do not blow up. By this time, Jesus Campos is knocking on the door. So they just unload on him. This is why there are (supposedly) 200 shots through the door. Campos escapes a lethal shot and calls in security.

    Now the assassins are getting nervous. They realise that someone in the hotel knows that someone is firing. They fire as much as they can. They are thinking as soon as this barrage is done, we run. But the swat team starts knocking on the door. F*CK! The assassins realise they’re screwed. So the first one shoots himself. (This is the first of the single shots you hear at the end). The second assassin isn’t so sure. He doesn’t want to die. So after 10 seconds of courage gathering, he shoots himself as well.

    The SWAT team bursts in and finds 3 bodies. They start asking questions. But because the FBI is already there (remember, they extracted the prince) they take over. They quickly assess the situation. They realise the implications. They remove the 2 assassins bodies, take a picture of Paddock lying there, and release it to 4chan to solidify their narrative.

    Paddock is made the patsy. Why? Because if a failed Saudi assassination attempt was responsible for the deaths, if the FBI/CIA had supplied the guns that killed 58 innocent people (not counting Paddock since he’s an asset), then two things would happen. One, we would demand that we go to war with Saudi Arabia. And two, which ever organisation that Paddock worked for would be utterly dismantled.

    Whew lads, I know. Quite a story. Now, let’s fast forward to one month later.

    We know a missile was intercepted by the Saudi military on November 3rd or 4th. This was probably the final effort by the anti King Salman group. This was their last ditch effort to kill him. OR, it was staged to give King Salman the excuse to round everyone up in retaliation of the assassination attempt. We know that MASSIVE raids and the rounding of Saudi princes took place on the 5th. I will guarantee you that all these people are anti Salman/Mohammad. And who was just killed? Yes. The son of Muqrin, Mansour. Mansour’s death was retaliation. I have no doubt of it. He was executed.

    Ok, now that this has happened, what’s next? Well, my guess will be that we will learn all of the funding that has been coming out of Saudi Arabia for the past decade. It will expose their connections to the DNC. We will learn that they have been at the root of all the turmoil in the Middle East. Then, they’ll all be executed.

    Do I win the award for the longest post ever at /r/conspiracy? Thanks for reading.

    PS The story works just fine with Paddock as a private illegal guns dealer, meaning the FBI/CIA only helped to foil the assassination attempt. He doesn’t have to be working for an alphabet agency. However, given the clues from his life style (or the utter lack of it), I’m betting that he was an asset.





    Prince Alwaleed Talal arrested.
    Linked to Las Vegas Shooting?

    (Nov 4, 2017)


    Las Vegas Shooting Flight Radar Data
    (Nov 2, 2017)

    Abel Danger
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    Thanks for posting this interesting take about the Saudi Royals and potential assassination gone bad turiya.

    To my mind this story is a complicated dot connection that makes no sense. Perhaps there was ALSO an attempt on foreign royalty that night, but that narrative still does not explain some key inexplicables.

    Namely the od behavior of the only witness, the security guard Jesus Campos going down to Mexico for a week and driving back after suffering a gunshot to the leg.

    Or that he was photographed getting an award for bravery in a restaurant on the 10th that had been remodeled back in may of this year!

    Or the 4chan anonymous warning of a month previous about the move to beef up security for the benefit of the metal detector and back-scatter companies.

    Or the warning to the crowd by the Mexican couple that everyone would die forty five minutes before the shooting.

    Or that the CEO of MGM sold off 80% of his own personal stock in the company for $10 million dollars prior to the attacks.

    Or for that matter that just this past August George Soros peered into his crystal ball like Sauron and saw that it was a great time to bet against MGM's stock to the tune of $42 million dollars in put options. The "Mandalay Bay" Las Vegas shooting happened and he made a killing...

    So no, I don't buy the bungled Saudi royal assassination connection.... N
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    I am simply blown away by the above post #931. I have no way of being sure but this resonates as truth particularly in light of the 'purge' and the way the authorities have dropped discussion.

    How do we convey all this incredible info to the people around us? My family is sharply divided right/left with a sprinkling of center but even those on the so-called right wouldn't read an article this long if any of it.

    It's like Avalonians are Annie Sullivans in a world of Helen Kellers.

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Quote Posted by Nasu (here)
    Thanks for posting this interesting take about the Saudi Royals and potential assassination gone bad turiya.

    To my mind this story is a complicated dot connection that makes no sense. Perhaps there was ALSO an attempt on foreign royalty that night, but that narrative still does not explain some key inexplicables.

    Namely the od behavior of the only witness, the security guard Jesus Campos going down to Mexico for a week and driving back after suffering a gunshot to the leg.

    Or that he was photographed getting an award for bravery in a restaurant on the 10th that had been remodeled back in may of this year!

    Or the 4chan anonymous warning of a month previous about the move to beef up security for the benefit of the metal detector and back-scatter companies.

    Or the warning to the crowd by the Mexican couple that everyone would die forty five minutes before the shooting.

    Or that the CEO of MGM sold off 80% of his own personal stock for $10 million in the company prior to the attacks.

    Or for that matter that just this past August George Soros peered into his crystal ball like Sauron and saw that it was a great time to bet against MGM's stock to the tune of 42 million in put options. The "Mandalay Bay" Las Vegas shooting happened and he made a killing...

    So no, I don't buy the bungled Saudi royal assassination connection.... N
    All this fits in the same shoe box for me, 9/11 had multiple side "benefits" for TPTB as well as some bizarre individual actions etc....
    Really, I was thinking this all might fit "too well", I cannot think of another reason that there would be so many shooters in vegas and the timing with "the purge" in SA is spot on as well.. I'd like to see some more clear video of the prince, or the king present.. it's supposed to be MBS that's there right? if so that would fit as well (the purge is his orchestration).
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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    David Knight gives his take on the Saudi crisis....vision 20/30 , he does not
    mention LV , but still interesting.

    Saudi Game of Thrones: Risk to Dollar & Peace


    Published on 8 Nov 2017
    It's not merely an internal civil war — the power struggle in Saudi Arabia could affect
    the Petrodollar, the basis of the US economy, and lead to war for regime changes
    throughout the Middle East as a leaked cable between Israel & Saudi Arabia pushes
    for war against Iran & Lebanon.

    Timing : or just coincidence ?

    CIA releases trove of Usama bin Laden documents
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ7iHoEpmrk
    Published on 1 Nov 2017
    The files reveal the terror leader was prone to conspiracy theories and outlines Al
    Qaeda's complicated relationship with Iran; Jennifer Griffin reports on 'Special Report.'
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    I agree with Nasu to a point, this version does not complete the puzzle, but if that's the prince being escorted out its likely a part of it.

    But this mass shooting was no sudden decision in my view, and there were multiple shooters who had guns not from Paddock shooting from other pre-planned locations. I suspect other organizations were involved.

    Clearly the FBI is hiding a lot, maybe more than just their gun-running op. That FBI minder for the police at the press conferences felt evil to me.
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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    This is interesting with a good history of recent false flag events with photos
    he is not going down the route we are but worth a watch if you are looking for
    something or for people looking in not as far down the hole as we are...

    He points out symbolism everywhere in the false flags and compare events ,
    he say Las Vegas is very confusing and calls it a hybrid event real and crisis
    actors. He does show some good info about a local helicopter firm that has
    military type choppers fitted with machine guns and more.....

    https://gunshipvegas.com/


    OLE DAMMEGARD: LATEST UPDATE ON VEGAS



    Streamed live 23 hours ago...8th Nov 2017
    OLE DAMMEGARD investigator will give us the latest update on the Vegas shooting.

    THIS SHOW WAS CUT OFF NEAR THE END AND OLE WAS KNOCKED OFF THE
    INTERNET AND MY SITE HAS BEEN HACKED AND TAKEN DOWN!!!!!!!

    Go here for Ole's site and books: https://www.lightonconspiracies.com/

    ==============================================
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    Ole talks about you can rent almost anything crowds, funerals, crisis actors
    mercenaries , which reminds me a great BBC doc from around 2004

    " Even Bin Ladens displays of force were fake "...Rented gunman for the day.


    There's no such thing as al Qaeda, or al Qaida, or however you want to spell it.
    It's a fraud perpetrated on the American people by our own government to
    scare us into submission. This is a clip from the excellent three-part BBC
    documentary "The Power of Nightmares".

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post992601
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    the prince had disguised himself as a regular dude to enjoy the nightlife in Vegas. (Saudi princes have been known to do this) He had slipped away from the Mandalay and was at the Tropicana playing some cards. As soon as the FBI (or some other agency) learned of the assassination plot, they stormed the Tropicana and extracted the prince. The video can be seen here.
    A very interesting idea. But a couple of comments here:
    • I think anyone in the military or security services reading this would confirm that a protected potential 'high-value' target would never be walking at the unprotected rear of an armed group escort. They'd be in the middle, with guards on all sides, and the guards at the rear would have been swiveling to check behind them frequently.
    • I know from direct personal experience with a member of a Middle Eastern Royal Family, quite a number of years ago, that they couldn't even go for a walk in their hotel grounds without being followed closely by security guards. If they went to a public place, even incognito, it would have been (a) a security nightmare, strongly discouraged, and (b) if the person had insisted — as they could — there would have been literally a small army (also in plain clothes) right beside them all the time.

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    Quote Posted by turiya (here)
    the prince had disguised himself as a regular dude to enjoy the nightlife in Vegas. (Saudi princes have been known to do this) He had slipped away from the Mandalay and was at the Tropicana playing some cards. As soon as the FBI (or some other agency) learned of the assassination plot, they stormed the Tropicana and extracted the prince. The video can be seen here.
    A very interesting idea. But a couple of comments here:
    • I think anyone in the military or security services reading this would confirm that a protected potential 'high-value' target would never be walking at the unprotected rear of an armed group escort. They'd be in the middle, with guards on all sides, and the guards at the rear would have been swiveling to check behind them frequently.
    • I know from direct personal experience with a member of a Middle Eastern Royal Family, quite a number of years ago, that they couldn't even go for a walk in their hotel grounds without being followed closely by security guards. If they went to a public place, even incognito, it would have been (a) a security nightmare, strongly discouraged, and (b) if the person had insisted — as they could — there would have been literally a small army (also in plain clothes) right beside them all the time.
    he definitely had 1 personal security guard with him (not saying this verifies anything); and the way they moved through that room is a pretty typical formation.. and one of the rear guys checked their "6" quite often (4 times in this video, that's more than once every 10 seconds)... it looked very feasible to me; you wouldn't want an army of security when your "blending with the peasants" but he certainly had at least 1 personal guard with him, walking to his left at the end of the video.

    What I just saw was an ultra high priority escort, they were pointing their weapons at civilians and telling them to put their hands up... this is only done for a few types of people.
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    What I just saw was an ultra high priority escort, they were pointing their weapons at civilians and telling them to put their hands up... this is only done for a few types of people.
    Thanks! I was hoping you'd reply.

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    What I just saw was an ultra high priority escort, they were pointing their weapons at civilians and telling them to put their hands up... this is only done for a few types of people.
    Thanks! I was hoping you'd reply.

    I still don't think that's conclusive that it WAS MBS, but it certainly seems very possible, I'd like to see some more analysis or more clear video, but I doubt we will get any of that (unless some kind individual working in the security room can leak out some raw footage from the THOUSANDS of camera's on the gaming floor....)
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