Have you seen a Space Fence or a Net In The Sky?

[findingneo]

Hi DeDukshyn, sounds like a good hypothesis. It was the very first thing I looked at as a possibility, thanks to my tech savvy young person nephew suggesting it. He could not find any more than you have though about whether it was possible to see this grid from the surface of the phone.

I flicked through photos on the phone screen, and it was there, covering a portion of the screen. I then touched it, just the first reaction I had to try and work out what it was. It then rippled so that more and less then more of the rid was exposed. Perhaps it is that, but I have not seen a photo of this inbuilt grid that resembles what I saw. The grid squares were much smaller and there were many more lines criss crossing and overlapping (or perhaps, showing through) the "sky". It would be great if you could see if it is possible for this inbuilt grid to actually be seen from the surface of the screen, both when being touched and when not being touched as I was not touching the picture to start with. Thanks.

Update: The grid then faded as I sat and watched it, just as I was called over by the riding instructor. I have not seen that on any photo on this or any phone, before or since.

[findingneo]

RunningDeer, I started this thread from curiosity, but I am not of one belief or another, just curious.

Interesting you have seen the same thing. I still feel it is to do with our existence, something to do with the energy matrix that is our existence.

I found this. Perhaps when folk look beyond themselves they do see further. Maybe it is this.

http://maryshutan.com/spiritual-advi...nes-and-grids/

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Hi DeDukshyn, sounds like a good hypothesis. It was the very first thing I looked at as a possibility, thanks to my tech savvy young person nephew suggesting it. He could not find any more than you have though about whether it was possible to see this grid from the surface of the phone.

I flicked through photos on the phone screen, and it was there, covering a portion of the screen. I then touched it, just the first reaction I had to try and work out what it was. It then rippled so that more and less then more of the rid was exposed. Perhaps it is that, but I have not seen a photo of this inbuilt grid that resembles what I saw. The grid squares were much smaller and there were many more lines criss crossing and overlapping (or perhaps, showing through) the "sky". It would be great if you could see if it is possible for this inbuilt grid to actually be seen from the surface of the screen, both when being touched and when not being touched as I was not touching the picture to start with. Thanks.

Update: The grid then faded as I sat and watched it, just as I was called over by the riding instructor. I have not seen that on any photo on this or any phone, before or since.

If this grid in any way puts pressure on your LCD you would see it clearly. I have used touch devices where I clearly have felt this grid before on various screens. The LCD layer is very sensitive to pressure.The grid you indicated is exactly like the grid within an LCD screen. The effect you say you saw is consistent with both this grid and the way the LCD layer reacts to touch. Your initial description describes this exactly. This comment above doesn't convince me at all that this isn't the effect you saw ...

A photo already captured on a device cannot "change" - it is zeros and ones written to your storage device. It cannot change over time, yet what you say you saw, as you describe it lines up with the theory I present.

I can go deeper into more detail, so far I don't see anything you claim that indicates that what I present is not very plausible. I hate to be the bubble burster, I really do, but at the same time I have to keep it real and if a simpler explainable explanation makes sense, with no other theory to make dispute it, you kinda have to go with where all the data points. I'd be please to hear something about your experience that tells me "well I guess it can't be that" but so far it all lines up.

Trust me, I have seen and felt these grids personally in my life. I certainly can present more. I just thought I wouldn't need to.

[findingneo]

DeDukshyn, Ok.

BTW, how big were these grids you felt? You might be right.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by findingneo (here)
DeDukshyn, Ok.

BTW, how big were these grids you felt? You might be right.

The size of these grids varies from device to device. More modern phones will have a tighter grid, older ones a looser grid. Due to this the older ones can be felt much more easily, especially on larger screens like tablets or touch monitors (my experience is here more as opposed to phones, where the effect is more prominent, but the technology is the same).

[findingneo]

I have been pressing as hard as I can and there is no effect on the screen. Can you give me an idea as to how big or small the grids might be? I am not ruling it out, either way, but I don't have enough to go on to know if it was something physical or not. I have googled and googled for an image, but can't find any except how to bring up grids for taking photos, which are huge and nothing like what I saw. I also googled the description of what you called that grid and a photo of it visible from the surface and I can't find any. We don't actually know even if you felt it, that it can physically show through the screen. You mentioned you could feel it. Did you see it? Thanks.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by findingneo (here)
I have been pressing as hard as I can and there is no effect on the screen. Can you give me an idea as to how big or small the grids might be? I am not ruling it out, either way, but I don't have enough to go on to know if it was something physical or not. I have googled and googled for an image, but can't find any except how to bring up grids for taking photos, which are huge and nothing like what I saw. I also googled the description of what you called that grid and a photo of it visible from the surface and I can't find any. We don't actually know even if you felt it, that it can physically show through the screen. You mentioned you could feel it. Did you see it? Thanks.

On the 12" monitor I could clearly feel it on, maybe 1/2-1/4 inch. On a phone I'd expect 1/4-1/8" maybe?maybe even smaller -- really depends on model. I think the question is "do we have enough evidence in one direction that isn't overridden by an explanation in any other direction?" I'd be happy to hear how an image might change after being taken, if it was logically presented, but that won't happen because it is impossible.

I don't like to ever see things in absolutes, but for me, 99th percentile probability holds a ton of weight.

I don't really expect you to feel it if you phone is modern, but that doesn't indicate that the grid didn't push into your LCD, even temporarily, even if we don't know exactly how that occurred. I'd keep an eye on your phone for similar phenomenon in the future though .

[findingneo]

DeDukshyn, I thought you had felt the grid on your phone. I can make an imprint on my pc/laptop too, but my phone screen seems to be hard glass. It was not caused by pressure from my fingers. The image was there before I touched the glass. Thinking back, it may have been the first image I saw after I took the picture and pulled the phone back into the car. Perhaps it does have something to do with that grid, that no one else at all has commented on as happening to them on the net, but it has nothing to do with the pressure of my fingers on the screen.

It is reasonable that you will want to rationalize it with a physical reason. I like to consider all possibilities, physical and non physical. As I sometimes see things that are non physical, I have to do a bit of research in case my eyes deceive my rational thought. I will keep my eye out for others that report the same thing, but for now, that has not happened. It could may well have been a second sight thing going on, for a moment or two. I have shot out of my body before like a bullet, remember a past life as energy in a Nebula, during which time I could travel by thought (I think), and I saw things like wormholes in graphic grid form. So maybe it was a so far not talked about glitch in modern basic phones, or maybe it wasn't. Even if it eventually turns out that it was, those who have seen it with just their eyes to the skies, like RunningDeer, make it worth exploring.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by findingneo (here)
... It was not caused by pressure from my fingers. ... Perhaps it does have something to do with that grid, that no one else at all has commented on as happening to them on the net, but it has nothing to do with the pressure of my fingers on the screen.

Yes I totally get that - I never meant to indicate that what you saw was form you poking your phone, nor that you should be able to feel the grid. I was indicating that all touchscreens have this grid - I was reinforcing that with my own experience of having felt it on touchscreens - phones do have a thing glass layer that would prevent you from feeling it.

So you know how with an LCD monitor, the liquid crystal ripples and waves when there is pressure on it? If the grid, being right above the LCD, ends up putting pressure on the LCD itself - you would get a wavy / ripply image in the form of that grid. If you say bumped you phone just alittle "pulling it back into your car" or perhaps moved it hard in one direction while doing the same, or whatever, it's possible (perhaps with a little fault of your phone, or a low tolerance to such, maybe just on one area of you screen) that this pressure occurred, and as the pressure was balanced out again, it would fade. This is what I thought would be extrapolated from my words, certainly after posting the image showing the grid next to the LCD on such displays ... a little thought into "how might what he say be true?" is all it really takes to see this.

Posted by findingneo (here)
It is reasonable that you will want to rationalize it with a physical reason. I like to consider all possibilities, physical and non physical. ...

What isn't reasonable, is to believe tat a photo can change on it's own after you take it with you phone (its not film) - this is not a possibility so you shouldn't consider it at all. Once that is removed, a physical issue with your phone, especially since all the mechanics for what I say to be true line up perfectly, is by far the most rational and reasonable conclusion.

It certainly is not that I want rationalize it with a physical reason, I understand fully and always reserve a space for, non-physical and metaphysical phenomenon. However in this case, all evidence points to physical phenomenon with your phone.

If it's possible to photo the energy grid of earth, do you think it would be reasonable that you were the first one to have ever done so, considering photography is nearly two hundred years old, and these days, billions of photos are snapped every day?

I also see non-physical quite readily at times, I always consider an incredibly broad spectrum of possibilities when I analyze things -- in fact this what allows me to be able to explain things others often cannot. It is one of my best skills, actually.

[DeDukshyn]

I just thought of one more thing ... let's assume your photo did capture something, and let's throw in something like, the reason it appeared to "fade" was due to your phones auto brightness feature pushing or something that I can't think of, and maybe your eyes just got that glimpse.

If so the information is embedded in the photo and can be recovered. you can try loading the photo into a photo editing ap and playing with the settings (brightness contrast, curves, negatives, whatever). Maybe there's something there. I have my doubts but it may be worth checking.

[lilac]

Hi Findingneo,
I love the name! I think I know what you are talking about. I saw something amazing on a clear moonless night in December 1973. I have hardly ever mentioned it to anyone, because I was stoned on acid at the time. Over the next 20 years, I would experience acid trips and I can tell you that I never saw anything that wasn't there. On subsequent acid trips I have seen past lives, auras, chakras, fairies and ufo's.... I believe those things were real. So if the LSD is a deal-breaker, that's ok, it's why I haven't talked about this much. What I saw, I would call a net or a web. It was gossamer, kind of, clear like you say. I was in the interior of BC, in a place where there were no street lights. We had no electricity and the sky was magnificent with stars.

I walked out on the snow, away from the house. The plan was to look at the beautiful sky. I looked at my husband's face and saw an expression of great wonder, as though he saw something extraordinary. He didn't, but when I raised my gaze to the sky, I was expecting to see something other-worldly. I did. I saw a web throughout the whole sky, with a million stars behind it. I have since come to think of it as shaped rather like the flower of life/merkaba, but your analogy of graph paper works too. This web was such a shock to my consciousness, that I fainted there in the snow.

So that was 44 years ago, pre cell phones, computers, chemtrails, etc. Over the years I listened for clues about what I had seen. I read about the "etherial web", I have listened with interest about the net catching souls as we die and keeping us here on the karmic wheel. I have been an avid trekkie and especially loved the series "Voyager" because they used the holodeck a lot, and the idea that a whole huge scenario could exist inside the small space of a holodeck on what looks like graph paper - is fascinating.

So I haven't decided exactly what it is, but I know it is there - far beyond the chemtrails. I am convinced that the chemtrail conspiracy is the most agregious, invasive, disempowering problem that we face today. I also believe that we are players in a play, here to learn about ourselves and about love. The "etheric web" may be the curtains of the stage or the pixels of the movie. It's there and I look forward to finding out what is beyond.

[Noelle]

Thanks for sharing that. I have seen and traveled through a grid-like tunnel while out of body, but I have also gone through starry tunnels. Yeah ... the grid is puzzling.

Robert Bruce, author of Astral Dynamics, describes the astral plane as a checkerboard (essentially a grid). Wes Penre also talks about a grid/frequency fence.

[findingneo]

Thanks DeDukshyn , I will keep that in mind. I have done that with a light ship photo from my phone similar to this one, it was next to clouds and I could see the torus just by tilting the phone screen so I was not looking at it directly. I then changed the exposure etc of it by transferring it onto my pc, and it had a red glow around the edges, while the clouds gave off a blue/green glow. The "craft" or whatever it was, had HUGE pixels and the clouds had much smaller ones. Don't know what that means for sure, except it was not cloud and something else was there. I was mainly looking at something first that looked like "The Enterprise" as I was also a big fan of Star Trek and it seemed to be a bit of a show, holographic or something I think, for my benefit. I have looked at this (current picture) on an angle and see nothing of a grid, but blue sky. I won't rule it all out though.

That is some story lilac. From what I gather from reading and hearing folks experiences, using trippy drugs does let you see stuff you can't normally see. Very unfortunate side effects, but it does let you see lots of interesting stuff.

You have seen the grid like wormholes LadyM? When I saw it, I could see the dark space, with stars and planets as points of light just as we do normally, but the wormhole (which was in grid form) was like the noisy end of a trumpet. Flared at the entrance. The grid did not extend past the flaring entrance, but did continue down through the wormhole. Where the lines crossed, it was like there were points of light, like on a runway.

Not sure if/where there is a frequency fence, but I tend to think the reincarnation/karmic thing from a gnostic viewpoint.

[Noelle]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Thanks DeDukshyn , I will keep that in mind. I have done that with a light ship photo from my phone similar to this one, it was next to clouds and I could see the torus just by tilting the phone screen so I was not looking at it directly. I then changed the exposure etc of it by transferring it onto my pc, and it had a red glow around the edges, while the clouds gave off a blue/green glow. The "craft" or whatever it was, had HUGE pixels and the clouds had much smaller ones. Don't know what that means for sure, except it was not cloud and something else was there. I was mainly looking at something first that looked like "The Enterprise" as I was also a big fan of Star Trek and it seemed to be a bit of a show, holographic or something I think, for my benefit. I have looked at this (current picture) on an angle and see nothing of a grid, but blue sky. I won't rule it all out though.

That is some story lilac. From what I gather from reading and hearing folks experiences, using trippy drugs does let you see stuff you can't normally see. Very unfortunate side effects, but it does let you see lots of interesting stuff.

You have seen the grid like wormholes LadyM? When I saw it, I could see the dark space, with stars and planets as points of light just as we do normally, but the wormhole (which was in grid form) was like the noisy end of a trumpet. Flared at the entrance. The grid did not extend past the flaring entrance, but did continue down through the wormhole. Where the lines crossed, it was like there were points of light, like on a runway.

Not sure if/where there is a frequency fence, but I tend to think the reincarnation/karmic thing from a gnostic viewpoint.

I sure have, and a few times. And yes, I could see stars outside of the tunnels (wormholes).

I didn't return from these experiences with any memory of the tunnel entrances and exits. If the OBE ends in the wee hours of the morning, I sometimes try to go back into the experience or fall asleep. When I wake up for the day, I write down what I can remember, which is far less than if I recorded the experiences immediately after they end.

I remember Penre writing in an article or book that the grid is breaking down and there are a growing number of holes in it. If we don't want to reincarnate when our time here is up, he says to fly through the holes.

[findingneo]

Ok, thanks LadyM. I will watch out for the holes when the time comes. x

[findingneo]

Hi DeDukshyn, I thought I would ask the telephone supplier for all phone connections in my country, about the grid (I was asking them about something else anyway). They (the tech guy live online for tech questions on their fb page) says that you can get a grid pattern if you enlarge the picture or crop it when editing. They are talking enlarging it until you see the pixels once you have transferred the pic to the PC. So I think is the answer as to the question, "has the grid to do with the phone?", I think the answer is "No".

[RunningDeer]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Hi DeDukshyn, I thought I would ask the telephone supplier ...

Alas, DeDukshyn has gone on a long walkabout.

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