no-one has the definitive truth..have you?

[blue777]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Let's try to respond to this Q. in a "limited way"
What we call God The Creator is basically "everything in all" (seen & unseen).
Even in things that we call "bad or evil"

God is outside its creation, and at the same time within it.
Think of yourself as "God" in a finite way, holding on onion in your hand that represents this Universe (there are infinite others) with all its dimensions (layers). This "onion" is also an appendix of yourself with free will.

God is experiencing itself in his creation. In other words when you see someone's face you actually see the "Face of God". Also his ultimate plan for all his creation is to become perfected, not by force, but by "Love and Free Will". So God is not just a "person", IS the "essence/conciseness", and we the creation are its fragments.

Another way to put it is "God is an infinite ocean and we are drops from that ocean".
Hope this helps a bit...

Love, ~ Dan ~

hello Dan
quote
Another way to put it is "God is an infinite ocean and we are drops from that ocean".

I agree with this , infact what you are saying is ,God is consciousness and we are a drop of that infinite consciousness

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by blue777 (here)
hello Dan
quote
Another way to put it is "God is an infinite ocean and we are drops from that ocean".

I agree with this , infact what you are saying is ,God is consciousness and we are a drop of that infinite consciousness

You got that right blue777

[truthseekerdan]

There is more however, for now "we" only know in part. There will be a time when we'll know more...

[blue777]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
There is more however, for now "we" only know in part. There will be a time when we'll know more...

there is no more
infact what I am saying is ,God is consciousness and we are a drop of that infinite consciousness

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by blue777 (here)
there is no more
infact what I am saying is ,God is consciousness and we are a drop of that infinite consciousness

There is always MORE. That drop that represents you has to evolve spiritually thru all the dimensions (12 are known), in order to return to its source and BE IT.
It may sound like a paradox... Remember we are limited in this 3D body, and feel separated that's why this world is a total mess.
We need to understand that we are ALL ONE with US as well as Source!

[blue777]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
There is always MORE. That drop that represents you has to evolve spiritually thru all the dimensions (12 are known), in order to return to its source and BE IT.
It may sound like a paradox... Remember we are limited in this 3D body, and feel separated that's why this world is a total mess.
We need to understand that we are ALL ONE with US as well as Source!

There are many levels of consciousness.....dimensions...frequency of sound , we are ascending to the next level.......BUT WE WILL STILL BE ON THE EARTH consciousness is within.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by blue777 (here)
There are many levels of consciousness.....dimensions...frequency of sound , we are ascending to the next level.......BUT WE WILL STILL BE ON THE EARTH consciousness is within.

Blue777, I wont say much more here, but I recommend you listen to this show with Dr. Bruce Goldberg you might be learning more...
Also take a look at the pictures posted, and if you get a chance read his book that is a great read for anyone interested in spiritual knowledge and growth.

[RedeZra]

Posted by blue777 (here)
infact what I am saying is ,God is consciousness and we are a drop of that infinite consciousness

yes

we are droplets of God


pure gold


why fear when He is here


work on the virtues


welcome hardships


diamonds are formed at high-pressure deep beneath the Earth


chisel and cuts make a strong character

[rosie]

Time Saving Truth from Falsehood and Envy, François Lemoyne, 1737



Truth can have a variety of meanings, from the state of being the case, being in accord with a particular fact or reality, being in accord with the body of real things, events, actuality, or fidelity to an original or to a standard. In archaic usage it could be fidelity, constancy or sincerity in action, character, and utterance.[1] The term has no single definition yet about which over fifty percent of professional philosophers and scholars agree, and various theories and views of truth continue to be debated. There are differing claims on such questions as what constitutes truth; what things are truthbearers capable of being true or false; how to define and identify truth; the roles that revealed and acquired knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective, relative, objective, or absolute. This article introduces the various perspectives and claims, both today and throughout history.

link for much more on "truth", very interesting material.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth

For me, true truths can only come from within, to oneself, never given away, as they must be earned, by living life.
but,
If anyone believes they know the "truth", I would sure like to meet them. They may want to take a look at the link for the "definition" of "truth. A real eye opener.

love & light

[justpeter]

Posted by rosie (here)
Truth can have a variety of meanings, from the state of being the case, being in accord with a particular fact or reality, being in accord with the body of real things, events, actuality, or fidelity to an original or to a standard. In archaic usage it could be fidelity, constancy or sincerity in action, character, and utterance.[1] The term has no single definition yet about which over fifty percent of professional philosophers and scholars agree, and various theories and views of truth continue to be debated. There are differing claims on such questions as what constitutes truth; what things are truthbearers capable of being true or false; how to define and identify truth; the roles that revealed and acquired knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective, relative, objective, or absolute. This article introduces the various perspectives and claims, both today and throughout history.

link for much more on "truth", very interesting material.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth

For me, true truths can only come from within, to oneself, never given away, as they must be earned, by living life.
but,
If anyone believes they know the "truth", I would sure like to meet them. They may want to take a look at the link for the "definition" of "truth. A real eye opener.

love & light

I agree. I once had a discussion with a group of people from Mensa, the high-IQ society, about spirituality. They didn't agree that there was any kind of spiritual or metaphysical aspect to life so I thought I'd try to debate it with them on a logical level. I mentioned Edgar Cayce, who is one of the most documented cases of someone having spiritual/metaphysical abilities. I wanted to know how this group could explain the strange things Cayce could do.

Boy, did I get a shock! They completely dismissed any and all information about Cayce. They didn't believe he existed or even if he did they didn't accept that anything written about him was true! For them to even contemplate this subject as a serious discussion I would have to produce written evidence from several recognised scientific bodies that had tested Cayce. Even then, that would only be a starting point for the discussion. Nothing else was acceptable.

I seem to remember David Wilcock once saying that some people had a kind of "establishment mind". In other words, they were like these people from Mensa, they would only accept evidence from the "establishment" i.e. scientists, doctors, government etc. Anything "alternative" is dismissed immediately. That's why, in my opinion, it is impossible to get at "the truth" of something or even to wake some people up. We all have our own path and our own truth.

[Nagual]

Posted by justpeter (here)

... I once had a discussion with a group of people from Mensa...

... Nothing else was acceptable...

...In other words, they were like these people from Mensa, they would only accept evidence from the "establishment" i.e. scientists, doctors, government etc. Anything "alternative" is dismissed immediately. ....

i was member of Mensa, but left 15 years ago for the above reasons...
back then I was heavily criticized when tried to introduce the 'spiritual intelligence' concept

[samvado]

Posted by Nagual (here)
i was member of Mensa, but left 15 years ago for the above reasons...
back then I was heavily criticized when tried to introduce the 'spiritual intelligence' concept

same here, it was the most boring company I ever had. I learn the value of "IQ" though. its all relative like einstein would have said :-)

[blue777]

Posted by samvado (here)
same here, it was the most boring company I ever had. I learn the value of "IQ" though. its all relative like einstein would have said :-)

Hello Sam,
you sound like a bundle of laughs to be with!!have you anything positive to say?

[justpeter]

Posted by samvado (here)
same here, it was the most boring company I ever had. I learn the value of "IQ" though. its all relative like einstein would have said :-)

Interesting.....that makes 3 of us so far. I left for the same reasons as Nagual and I agree with samvado. It was extremely boring company.

[greybeard]

Posted by Nagual (here)
i was member of Mensa, but left 15 years ago for the above reasons...
back then I was heavily criticized when tried to introduce the 'spiritual intelligence' concept

I passed the examination to join and then thought to myself do I need to be a part of this? the answer was no.
The intellect is great but will take you only so far on the spiritual path then it becomes a barrier to further progress.
Ramana (the avatar pic I use) said use the thorn to remove the thorn then cast both away.
Use the mind to remove the mind (ego) then throw both away.
Ultimate truth is " Only God is" and you are that.

Chris

[Nagual]

Posted by samvado (here)
same here, it was the most boring company I ever had. I learn the value of "IQ" though. its all relative like einstein would have said :-)

agreed!

[morguana]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I passed the examination to join and then thought to myself do I need to be a part of this? the answer was no.
The intellect is great but will take you only so far on the spiritual path then it becomes a barrier to further progress.
Ramana (the avatar pic I use) said use the thorn to remove the thorn then cast both away.
Use the mind to remove the mind (ego) then throw both away.
Ultimate truth is " Only God is" and you are that.

Chris

same here greybeard, and agree with your sentiments

[Lucrum]

After reading through all the 10 pages as to not miss anything obvious on the way,

I'm left with a feeling of a paradox in making.

As I see this question and further strenghtened by the responses I've read throughout this thread, the answer to the question about truth and reality simply cannot exist.
My reasoning as to why it can't lies in my view of reality and truth to be in the eye of the beholder.

As I see people here revealing their reality, I see people attempting to oppose it. How can you oppose something which is not challenging you?
As far as I see it, the challenge to overcome is the acceptance of individual reality and truth and the coexistence within all those realities combined.
The truth and reality need not be the same, but they need to be in tune. As a grand orchestra where all plays their part, they are all unique and different yet creating a sweet symphony together.

I see life very much as a universal orchestra, where we are allowed to be who we are and accept the differences between us.

So do we need to have truth or reality defined?
I think not, but then again...that's my reality.

[blue777]

Posted by Lucrum (here)
After reading through all the 10 pages as to not miss anything obvious on the way,

I'm left with a feeling of a paradox in making.

As I see this question and further strenghtened by the responses I've read throughout this thread, the answer to the question about truth and reality simply cannot exist.
My reasoning as to why it can't lies in my view of reality and truth to be in the eye of the beholder.

As I see people here revealing their reality, I see people attempting to oppose it. How can you oppose something which is not challenging you?
As far as I see it, the challenge to overcome is the acceptance of individual reality and truth and the coexistence within all those realities combined.
The truth and reality need not be the same, but they need to be in tune. As a grand orchestra where all plays their part, they are all unique and different yet creating a sweet symphony together.

I see life very much as a universal orchestra, where we are allowed to be who we are and accept the differences between us.

So do we need to have truth or reality defined?
I think not, but then again...that's my reality.

Thank you for your excellent reply Lucrum.....if we have an orchestra who is the conductor?..it has to be Consciousness, therefore depending on your frequency of consciousness, will give both reality and truth , both subjective to the individual
lol
blue

[RedeZra]

Posted by justpeter (here)
I agree. I once had a discussion with a group of people from Mensa, the high-IQ society, about spirituality. They didn't agree that there was any kind of spiritual or metaphysical aspect to life...

survival of the fittest

that is the cold logic of evolution


pride position and power are paramount for people lost in the world


where success is measured by wealth

and survival becomes the sole purpose of life


but we cannot trick or bribe death

this simple fact makes the wise lead a spiritual life


there is no intelligence at play without spirituality

it's just a misnomer for scraping the surface of existence

an itch in the brain


Im too smart for Mensa lol