Don't Date An Abductee

[DNA]

So I was listening to Coast to Coast am with George Knapp a couple of nights ago on September 18th.
Kathleen Martin and Stan Friedman were the guests for the entire show talking about their new book "UFO's Fact and Fiction".
Kathleen Martin was asked by Knapp "what would be the scariest aspect of the UFO phenomenon you have uncovered during your exposure to the subject?".
In a rather meh show, Kathleen's answer perked my ears up and made listening to the show worthwhile.
Might I add that Kathleen is the niece of Betty and Barney Hill. And that she is the head of some division of MUFON Experiencer Research and gathers UFO witness stories from various interviewers.
Kathleen stated that for her the scariest aspect of the UFO phenomenon is that after an abduction, there seems to be some kind of transdimensional door that has been opened, and that it seems that something rather diabolical often sneaks through and stays behind after the abduction.
Kathleen goes on to say that the presense seems to be some kind of shadow type presense, reptilian in nature.
Further more this entity that seems to have come through whatever opening the UFO has created stays behind after the UFO has left.
These negative entities seem to interfere in the lives of those who come in contact with the abductee and seem to be contagious. This even goes so far as following the interviewers for MUFON home and interfering with their lives.
Materializing shadow beings, with reptilian features.
Negative beings that are coming through that might attach themselves to the human, what we might think of in theology as demonic possession.
Are these beings coming from other planets using technology to walk through walls and take humans through walls, is this a case of like when we open a door and then the bugs come in? Are these phenomenon separate?
George Knapp goes on to say how this reminds him of Skinwalker Ranch.
Kathleen Martin's statement starts right after the break at two hour mark.
George and Kathleen both compare this phenomenon to a virus. George states that he has heard this before as well.


At the 2:00 hour mark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoiCcIB3r6Q

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XoiCcIB3r6Q

[peggy englebrake]

The first abduction I remember, I only remember the end. I was lying in my bed and when I opened my eyes there was a grey standing by my bedside and he looked surprised that I was awake. I slowly reached out my hand to touch him and he slowly extended his hand and we touched index fingers. He smiled at me. I seemed to know him. I was not afraid, just curious. Then I felt myself going back to sleep and thought "that's not right. For one thing, I have a few questions." My cats had been hiding under my bed. When this was going on I saw them more or less levitate out from under the bed and run out of the room and downstairs with their hair standing up. Part II of this is harder to tell. I wake up on the spaceship. My husband has been abducted also. We are lying in some kind of compartment on a dark blue carpet that covers an elevated couch or large bench. I feel disoriented but I go exploring. I am exploring what looks like a huge room that is a medical facility when one of the tall whites shows up and tells me (telepathically) I have to go into another room. I do so but I hide in a group of trees( in pots that are tagged, like they are going to be planted) that line one side of this room. On the other side is a small group of humans and a tall white. He motions me over to stand in front of him (I am 5'6', the top of my head comes to his axilla (armpit). He tells me I have a son and that they wish to reward me (again this is telepathic) and he pours something out of a vessel that he holds over my head. It is like a heavy white fog or cloud that drifts down around me. I think this is to try and convince or impress this group of people (I don't get a close look at them). Previously (I can't remember when), they told me that I had agreed to do this to help them. By the way I don't know if this has something to do with my having A Rhnegative blood.
Anyway, I wasn't too pleased to be told I had agreed to something that I can't remember. I don't ever remember being constrained (except being made unconscious) or treated unkindly, but how can you say for certain if you can't remember? I never had any marks on me. My husband doesn't remember this.
Be gentle. This is the first time I have ever told anyone this.

[Lifebringer]

It's our experience or badge Seriously there are many experienced people here. Some have had life after death experience, traumas, and abductions or visitations with angels. Here we just share to help others deal if they too are going through a "Mandela Effect" of discovery
We feel free to share because God knows we all need to have someone to talk to about these experiences if just to prove we are sane. 9 billion in the world or 7 billion, there are those who share common experience and knowledge to help others when they awaken. It's what I like best of Avalon. Just honest whenever courage comes, posting of something on their mind or heart. Questions, quests, seeking the truth.

Hat's off great topic.

[Lifebringer]

Something happened in the transfer and said the file was corrupted. ??? Idk, perhaps they've locked on to the Enterprise:-) Suggest you run a virus scan and repost the link. Maybe it's just mine, but it says the file is corrupted through my LibreOffice and won't transfer it. Might be worth a look to see if their are corrupting Avalon's archive? They are a little bunch of sneaks/snakes, and it wouldn't be the 1st time they've tried to attack here.
Eh?

[Lifebringer]

The danger is the partner's being included against their will also. The danger is the person's ability to accept what they are dealing with without losing their mind because they were never taught, whereas, the person experiencing it, has has some sort of adaption to the process of the abductions. I don't think of it as dangerous as much as deceiving the one you are with, hiding something of vital importance that will influence the relationship. Sort of like a "rape" which the woman must tell the mate about as sometimes there are violent swinging of arms in nightmares that you just can't say, "oh that was nothing."

Always be as honest about it as you can and then you can actually see the person's true reaction from the start. Follow up and make sure they don't call the men in the white coats. LOL Caution seems to be the true way to deal with it.

[DNA]

Posted by peggy englebrake (here)
The first abduction I remember, I only remember the end. I was lying in my bed and when I opened my eyes there was a grey standing by my bedside and he looked surprised that I was awake. I slowly reached out my hand to touch him and he slowly extended his hand and we touched index fingers. He smiled at me. I seemed to know him. I was not afraid, just curious. Then I felt myself going back to sleep and thought "that's not right. For one thing, I have a few questions." My cats had been hiding under my bed. When this was going on I saw them more or less levitate out from under the bed and run out of the room and downstairs with their hair standing up. Part II of this is harder to tell. I wake up on the spaceship. My husband has been abducted also. We are lying in some kind of compartment on a dark blue carpet that covers an elevated couch or large bench. I feel disoriented but I go exploring. I am exploring what looks like a huge room that is a medical facility when one of the tall whites shows up and tells me (telepathically) I have to go into another room. I do so but I hide in a group of trees( in pots that are tagged, like they are going to be planted) that line one side of this room. On the other side is a small group of humans and a tall white. He motions me over to stand in front of him (I am 5'6', the top of my head comes to his axilla (armpit). He tells me I have a son and that they wish to reward me (again this is telepathic) and he pours something out of a vessel that he holds over my head. It is like a heavy white fog or cloud that drifts down around me. I think this is to try and convince or impress this group of people (I don't get a close look at them). Previously (I can't remember when), they told me that I had agreed to do this to help them. By the way I don't know if this has something to do with my having A Rhnegative blood.
Anyway, I wasn't too pleased to be told I had agreed to something that I can't remember. I don't ever remember being constrained (except being made unconscious) or treated unkindly, but how can you say for certain if you can't remember? I never had any marks on me. My husband doesn't remember this.
Be gentle. This is the first time I have ever told anyone this.

Thank you for sharing Peggy.
You seem to think these beings were the tall whites?
Did the being have a grey type head, or was it more human?
In so far as having Rh negative blood, there probably is something to that.
I'm glad to hear you have no physical marks. I could never understand why so many of the abductor types leave so many marks for the abductee to try and come to terms with.
I think you can relax in terms of sharing your experience if you would like Peggy.
I've had abduction type scenario situations I've awoke from.
My wife feels she has been a lifelong abductee, she struggles between just staying in denial about it, and acknowledging the situation at times when the abductions seem more traumatic. I let her decide when and how deep to get into it.
It's a touchy subject for folks, and although I admonish folks most of the time for not dealing with things in the shadow of their subconscious, this would not be one of those.
If folks are getting abducted and do not want to talk about it or even acknowledge it, that is their choice and I respect that.
In the final analysis, it often seems there is very little we can do in terms of halting the process, so if ignoring it provides respite then more power to folks.

[mojo]

In so far as having Rh negative blood, there probably is something to that

...interesting A- is my type... and never made a connection to the subject of abduction but about another connection, eating for your blood type, which seems to fit in my case for food preferences. Though the abduction or ET interest is intriguing.

there is very little we can do in terms of halting the process, so if ignoring it provides respite then more power to folks

Some of these abductors make this subject extremely complicated to define. Look at the Allagash 4 case, Travis Walton, Betty Hill, the Bentwaters case, and John Mack research. The term 'taken' seems to fit some cases better maybe helping to make a distinction from negative abductions.

[kirolak]

My mother was Rh negative, but I have no idea what blood type I have... . anyway, I recall telling some being years ago that they were "welcome to use my DNA or whatever; I was glad to do anything I could to help." Yet I had no real sense of what was being required of me.

[Michelle Marie]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Inmortal719 (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
I'm going to discuss the dangers of being in close proximity to an abductee.

Being close to and dating is different!! Misleading title

So in your rush to be the second poster on the thead and increase your likes you read the first line and made a comment without reading the rest of the thread. God we need more folks like you posting on Avalon!

Posted by Marikins (here)
I wonder if the paranormal community and abductee analysts are looking at intersecting phenomena. Paranormal folks talk about three claw marks always on the back, back of arms, back of legs. They say the three marks are to mock the Holy Trinity. Sounds similar to DNA's post.

Another similarity is the sleep paralysis.

Thank you Marikins for your post. It was the only post on this thread to hold any merit up to this point. I had never heard the deal with the scratch marks coming in threes, and for the record this was exactly how mine was, three distinct scratches.

For the record I don't think all abductees are alike, or their experiences. But I will say this, there is one common denominator.
The abductees are given a sense of purpose and feel as if they are somehow special or chosen because of their abduction.
Dr. Karla Turner talked about one of her regressions about an abduction that took place when she was a child.
In this abduction she was told by a large Mantis type alien in a dialogue, that she was the child of the Mantis Alien, and that the Mantis Alien was her mother. Karla Turner did not believe this at all, in fact she considered it a falsehood so that it would foster some kind of trust from her in the abductors. Does this sound familiar at all? It should for those who have read the Simon Parks material. Simon talks about this as if it were true, and it seems the desired result of creating a sense of loyalty to the abductors worked for Parks. In my opinion Parks is absolutely telling the truth about his abductions in so far as he is concerned, but I would not trust the agenda coming from parks, because it is an Alien agenda.
Dr. Turner stated do not trust what you are told in the abductions.
According to Turner, much of what is said is stated in a screen memory.
Dr. Turner used to call it a form of technological virtual reality.
One needs a practiced regression therapist to get past these screen memories.

The truth is often quite,,,horrible.
There appears to be REAL danger in being abducted. And if one is only being abducted because one is sleeping next to a regular abductee, then I think this danger is relevant and something that should be discussed.

And Further, it seems to me that we should be talking about the responsibility of an abductee to try and not put anyone else in harms way on that account.

You would want someone to tell you they had HERPES if you they were about to sleep with you. Right?
I think this question is just as valid.


I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!
I welcome debate on this topic, but the fact remains, if your personal sovereignty has been violated, how can this be called anything other than negative or evil.

That answers one of my questions. Of course doing anything against your free will choice would be negative.

But, if it is an encounter, and not an abduction, couldn't one have a positive experience? Is there anyone here that has had a positive encounter? I'm thinking yes.

I knew a couple that might have been Pleiadians. They seemed a little different and they wrote books about pleaidians.

I've never been abducted by an alien, but I've been abducted by a human and barely escaped with my life.

I have compassion for these types of personal violations. Sorry. :-(

MM

[Michelle Marie]

Posted by kirolak (here)
My mother was Rh negative, but I have no idea what blood type I have... . anyway, I recall telling some being years ago that they were "welcome to use my DNA or whatever; I was glad to do anything I could to help." Yet I had no real sense of what was being required of me.

What?!?!

A "being"?!?

What happened?

I've been very interested to find out more about this Rh negative thing. I have not found clear and comprehensive answers.

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting. ❤️🎅❤️

MM

[DNA]

Posted by Desert Dreamer (here)
That answers one of my questions. Of course doing anything against your free will choice would be negative.

Agreed.

Posted by Desert Dreamer (here)
But, if it is an encounter, and not an abduction, couldn't one have a positive experience? Is there anyone here that has had a positive encounter? I'm thinking yes.

It's hard to know the difference. Due to screen memories, Karla Turner gave a lot of credit to John Mack and David Jacobs in regards to screen memories being the norm rather than the exception when it comes to abductions.

Posted by Desert Dreamer (here)
I knew a couple that might have been Pleiadians. They seemed a little different and they wrote books about pleaidians.

Many of the screen memories use the image we would associate with Pleiadians.

Posted by Desert Dreamer (here)
I've never been abducted by an alien, but I've been abducted by a human and barely escaped with my life.

That sounds terrifying.

Posted by Desert Dreamer (here)
I have compassion for these types of personal violations. Sorry. :-(

MM

I do as well, absolutely.

Posted by Desert Dreamer (here)

I've been very interested to find out more about this Rh negative thing. I have not found clear and comprehensive answers.

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting. ❤️🎅❤️

MM

I'm pretty fond of Robert Sephyr and his short little take below on RH negative blood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls_ZtM1Itzs&t=138s

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ls_ZtM1Itzs

[Michelle Marie]

Thanks, DNA. I have seen that particular video before. Specifically, I wanted to know about the connection with aliens/abductions and being targeted by the deep state, or illuminati (whatever you want to call the eugenicists committing genocide).

Here is one I hadn't seen before. There is copper-based Rh negative blood, and iron-based Rh negative blood.
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/201...e-indigos.html

Also, there is supposed to be a connection between Rh negative blood and morgellons.
Here is a link that mentions Rh negative blood in conjunction with morgellons.
http://rense.com/general91/hexa.htm


MM

[findingneo]

Having discussed the 3 scratches down the back with TrumanCash a few months back, regarding friends experiences, and wondering what they meant, he said that it is scratches from Greys claws rather than finger nails.

My life and my families life goes haywire when I once a year, go out to dinner with a friend that passes through for an event he works at. Indications are that he has abduction experiences. He channels an "Arcturian" around me, but I think (again having talked to TC) that this could well be a negative entity, possibly Grey which is at it. It is set on convincing me to "believe" in it. I take this as an attempt to drain my energy and that I don't trust it.

Whitley Streiber took friends to stay in his cabin in the woods where his book and the movie made from it (Communion) is set. They had abduction experiences there, so abductions are not just a potential for partners.

The Greys are apparently masters of energetic technology, or whatever you call it. John DeSouza has an excellent book called "The Extra-Dimensionals" which talks about and makes the inter-dimensional thing very understandable.It can be applied to any paranormal occurrence, making sense of it.

I have read in a few places that not all people can successfully be inter dimensionally transported. Some just can't cope with that sort of travel on a molecular level, but then there are those that can. And that certain DNA is easier to clone, stuff like that.

If someone is an abductee, then it gets passed on down the bloodline, apparently.

Just about everyone I know, has had sightings of craft. They don't realize lots of things that can add up to abductions. Long scratches on the back, scoop marks in the lower legs (and maybe elsewhere, blood spots on the pillow or sheets when there is no wound, probably it seems, due to implant implantation or removal, and unusually heavy blood noses due to the same. Feelings that their increasing psychic abilities are due to "their increased spiritual vibrations", a result of connecting to their guides and becoming more attuned to them, accepting and communicating with them, thinking that they are highly spiritual. That the "guides" must be good ,because they feel good and their abilities are increasing. Perhaps, but in many cases I think it might be a trade off that they are willing to accept, or perhaps some mind control that prevents them from seeing what is happening.

Bruises in private places or just big bruises that can't be explained. It seems that many, many folk are being affected in the communities, and they have no idea.

I am wondering what it was that happened after something happened online, an apparently AI warning on my pc. I wonder if it had happened before and someone was heading something off.I was very scared from the online thing. After some odd happenings online, straight after, I heard what sounded like bricks landing on the tin roof above my head, from a great height, and yet the house was at the top of the hill. It was the tallest object there. For some reason I kept thinking it was Greys about to come in, but nothing did. The very loud bangs went on for about 15 minutes. Deafening. Anyone had that?

[DNA]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Having discussed the 3 scratches down the back with TrumanCash a few months back, regarding friends experiences, and wondering what they meant, he said that it is scratches from Greys claws rather than finger nails.

My life and my families life goes haywire when I once a year, go out to dinner with a friend that passes through for an event he works at. Indications are that he has abduction experiences. He channels an "Arcturian" around me, but I think (again having talked to TC) that this could well be a negative entity, possibly Grey which is at it. It is set on convincing me to "believe" in it. I take this as an attempt to drain my energy and that I don't trust it.

Whitley Streiber took friends to stay in his cabin in the woods where his book and the movie made from it (Communion) is set. They had abduction experiences there, so abductions are not just a potential for partners.

The Greys are apparently masters of energetic technology, or whatever you call it. John DeSouza has an excellent book called "The Extra-Dimensionals" which talks about and makes the inter-dimensional thing very understandable.It can be applied to any paranormal occurrence, making sense of it.

I have read in a few places that not all people can successfully be inter dimensionally transported. Some just can't cope with that sort of travel on a molecular level, but then there are those that can. And that certain DNA is easier to clone, stuff like that.

If someone is an abductee, then it gets passed on down the bloodline, apparently.

Just about everyone I know, has had sightings of craft. They don't realize lots of things that can add up to abductions. Long scratches on the back, scoop marks in the lower legs (and maybe elsewhere, blood spots on the pillow or sheets when there is no wound, probably it seems, due to implant implantation or removal, and unusually heavy blood noses due to the same. Feelings that their increasing psychic abilities are due to "their increased spiritual vibrations", a result of connecting to their guides and becoming more attuned to them, accepting and communicating with them, thinking that they are highly spiritual. That the "guides" must be good ,because they feel good and their abilities are increasing. Perhaps, but in many cases I think it might be a trade off that they are willing to accept, or perhaps some mind control that prevents them from seeing what is happening.

Bruises in private places or just big bruises that can't be explained. It seems that many, many folk are being affected in the communities, and they have no idea.

I am wondering what it was that happened after something happened online, an apparently AI warning on my pc. I wonder if it had happened before and someone was heading something off.I was very scared from the online thing. After some odd happenings online, straight after, I heard what sounded like bricks landing on the tin roof above my head, from a great height, and yet the house was at the top of the hill. It was the tallest object there. For some reason I kept thinking it was Greys about to come in, but nothing did. The very loud bangs went on for about 15 minutes. Deafening. Anyone had that?

This was an excellent story, thank you very much for sharing it.
The thing with your friend wanting you to believe in "him" or rather his "channeled" entity, to me when folks want you to "love" them or "believe" in them what this really means is that you become energetically linked to them. This energetic link can often be something that lasts for quite a while.
This is why it is best to bestow belief sparingly.
I didn't know the deal with Whitley Streiber but this kind of example is exactly what I'm referring to with my OP and this thread in general.
Thank you again for the wonderful post.

[findingneo]

Thanks DNA. What does OP mean BTW? Is that to do with your wonderful OBE insights? Can you put a link in for me please?

I did not want to say before, because I was a little nervous, but I was going to stay with a beautiful friend I am sure is an abductee, for Xmas. Did a body check in the morning and felt fine so I think I was overlooked, and friend awoke happy Luckily it has been all quiet on the western front for said friend for a while. Of course I can't tell if the positive beings said friend intuit's are really Gray's telling porky pies, or really benevolent beings. Benevolent beings would have no problem knowing who or what else had been there I would guess. And I can't help wondering if they are benevolent, why they would let it happen or not work to assisting friend to prevent it.

[DNA]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Thanks DNA. What does OP mean BTW?

Original post or the initial writing that started this thread.

Posted by findingneo (here)
Is that to do with your wonderful OBE insights? Can you put a link in for me please?

I've had a few but it was never my specialized field of study. Rather, opening one's third eye and experimenting from there was more my bag.
How To See A Ghost For Yourself
Ghosts were the first thing I started to see, then other things.

Posted by findingneo (here)
I did not want to say before, because I was a little nervous, but I was going to stay with a beautiful friend I am sure is an abductee, for Xmas. Did a body check in the morning and felt fine so I think I was overlooked, and friend awoke happy Luckily it has been all quiet on the western front for said friend for a while. Of course I can't tell if the positive beings said friend intuit's are really Gray's telling porky pies, or really benevolent beings. Benevolent beings would have no problem knowing who or what else had been there I would guess. And I can't help wondering if they are benevolent, why they would let it happen or not work to assisting friend to prevent it.

My pragmatism refuses me the ability to believe benevolent beings would abduct anyone.
Freewill is a big deal for benevolent beings.
As far as Karma is concerned freewill is the compass needle deciding the label in so far as interaction is concerned.
Here is a little secret I will tell you. Benevolent beings will never call themselves benevolent, they would never attempt to circumvent your judgement of them by altering or manipulating your perception of the situation.

[TrumanCash]

For anyone who might be interested I have posted my viewpoint of this thread here.

[DNA]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
For anyone who might be interested I have posted my viewpoint of this thread here.

Thanks for pointing out this post I've not had a chance to read it as I never knew it existed. I will respond to it probably tomorrow. Good day.

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
I am posting my response to the "Don't Date An Abductee" thread here.

The title to that thread is based on no credible research. Just because one dates an abductee does not mean that they will also be abducted as well or that they will become involved with the abducting ETs.

If you're not already on their list you don't have to worry about a thing. I have dated numerous women who were not abductees and they had zero experiences with me.

My first wife was also not an abductee and had zero ET experiences with me.

My third wife was also not an abductee and had zero experiences with me.

The abducting ETs follow abductees from lifetime to lifetime so if you're not already on the list don't worry about it. You have more chance of being struck by lightning!

From my extensive research and experiences if you're dating an abductee and you're getting abducted, too, or having bad ET experiences it's because you're already on the list and probably have been for thousands of years.

My second wife who is in both of my books was already an abductee and we were abducted on our first date. We found that she also has been followed from lifetime to lifetime by the same abducting ETs.

My viewpoint is that the aforesaid thread is irresponsible and prejudicial. It's bad enough to be kidnapped and tortured by ETs from lifetime to lifetime without having people irresponsibly vilifying the "abductee" label. You might as well say things like:

Don't Date A Pale-skinned Person.
Don't Date A Dark-skinned Person.
Don't Date A Mexican.
Don't Date An Italian.
Don't Date A Catholic.
Don't Date A Muslim.
Don't Date A Jew.

(BTW, I've had three Jewish girlfriends, none of which were abductees and we had zero experiences together. The last Jewish partner I had lived with me and worked with me for over four years and she had zero experiences.)

Also, my father and oldest brother were not abductees and they were not being abducted either. My oldest son (by my first marriage) is not an abductee and had no experiences with me even though my second wife and I were both abductees and he lived with us for several years.

The problem that I am constantly running into is people who make non sequitur conclusions without doing any research whatsoever. I spent a couple decades of my life researching and the result was my two books (links below) which I gave to the world free of charge, yet very few people have read them or take them seriously.

Heaven forbid that people's beliefs and belief systems be exposed as falsehoods. As Paul Simon so aptly sang: "a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

I have been encouraging people to conduct the same research I have done but so far no takers--No real truth seekers. My research--like a scientific experiment--can be duplicated with the same research results, but so far no one is doing it.

I went deeper down the rabbit hole than anyone else in the so-called "UFO" community. I had uncovered a much bigger picture of the alien matrix than anyone else had ever found. Yet my research has been mostly ignored and swept under the carpet due to mankind's ignorance and lack of interest in seeking truth.

Unlike people like Corey Goode or David Wilcock or channeled (dis)information my research can actually be verified by others yet no one wants to take the time to do it. Since the mid-90s I've had to put up with brainwashed "new agers" who arrogantly admonished me that I had "agreed" to be abducted because their favorite channeled entity (ET) said so. I eventually proved them and people like Wilcock to be wrong. In the words of Mr. Gump: Stupid is as stupid does.

I do not attend "UFO" conferences or want to feed my ego by standing at a podium and lecturing people on how the alien matrix works. It's already in my books. I am a private person who does not seek public attention. And I have already shown people how they, too, can do this very same research and make the same discoveries.

I published the results of my research in 1995 and 1996 respectively and at that time even Linda Moulton Howe did not believe me. However, now she finally understands what I was telling her over twenty years ago and has publicly come forth with this information that validates the information I sent to her in the mid-90s.

Other abductees also have validated my research recently as well without having read my books.

I am not just tooting my own horn or just being arrogant. I'm certainly not a genius--I only made these discoveries because I place truth seeking above everything else and I always QUESTION AUTHORITY. That is the essence of truth seeking.

The problem is that very few people are truth seekers. Most people are armchair philosophers and are too lazy to roll up their sleeves and do any kind of actual research (which takes years, by the way).

It seems that Avalon is becoming similar to social media platforms where people make unfounded, unresearched, prejudical statements that do not serve anyone.

I have come to the conclusion that there is little or no hope for mankind to evolve. Mankind is not interested in seeking truth. Until that happens expect never-ending wars, strife, chaos, prejudice and a global police/cashless/surveillance state.

At this point I only want to enjoy the remainder of my life inasmuch as that is possible on this insane planet. I currently see no point in continuing to post here or on any other forum.

[findingneo]

Thanks for the clarification TrumanCash. I consider you to be "The" authority on these things, as much as anyone can be.

Sorry I was nervous staying overnight at said friends. I still did it. It is a natural response to consider the danger possibilities when you don't know what the answer really is. If you say it, then that is good enough for me.

I am sure that information will straighten out a lot of folk.

Regarding my question about different groups, both negative and positive supposedly interacting with the same abductee, that was inspired by both my friend believing she had mainly benevolent ET's guiding her, and your experience of the negative ET's posing also as the positive ET's. I was wondering if it is possible or how prevalent good Et's interact with abductees, or if all abductees are having the wool pulled over their eyes? I can understand that folk would want to believe a neg ET playing good cop, was a good ET.

When it comes to your work, I am guilty of not reading it all yet. I am better with reading it in paper form. I really appreciate you posting it for free, and I really should just get it printed out. When it is online, I tend to forget it for a bit. Out of sight, out of mind. One of my foibles.

But I do value your work very much TrumanCash.

DNA thanks for the OP clarification. I think you have most likely misinterpreted my benevolent/negative ET post. By definition, I would not put an ET that abducts into the benevolent category, and I don't think that anyone at all has given permission on a soul level to be abducted. What I was meaning was, is it truly possible for any ET abductee to be in contact with a benevolent race and the Abducting Grey's? I ask because I hate to see people continue to be manipulated when they think they are choosing what is best for them on a soul level. I know, look within, not without, but folk understandably want to have more control over their lives, and for there to be good ET's interacting with them, not just the negative. On some level I don't feel it is possible, due to feeling it would be unlikely for a high level being to not be aware of interference to their contactee from lower levels. I think that is a give away, but I am looking for possibilities that my presumption is wrong or flexible. I think I know what your answer will be to that Truman Cash, and, I should just go and get your book printed.

Thanks, both of you.

[Hazelfern]

Yeah, sorry but we all have a story to tell. There is no authority in this thread, it's for a lighter side after all.