Don't Date An Abductee

[DNA]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
[B]
The title to that thread is based on no credible research. Just because one dates an abductee does not mean that they will also be abducted as well or that they will become involved with the abducting ETs.

In Dr. Karla Turner's book "taken" she notes how family members visiting her house all show signs of abduction. Scratches in places they can't reach and puncture marks that have no explanation.
I've pretty much based this thread on two sources of information, Dr. Karla Turner and my own personal experience while visiting a relative where the same thing happened to me that Karla mentions happened to visitors to her house.
Just curious, did you read any part of the thread other than the title? I'm going to answer for you "no, no you did not".

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
[B]
[B]If you're not already on their list you don't have to worry about a thing.

This is absolutely false.
Wrong place and wrong time absolutely play a role.
Happens all the time. I live in Snowflake AZ, the movie "fire in the sky" ring a bell?

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
I have dated numerous women who were not abductees and they had zero experiences with me.

Most abductions are not allowed to be remembered. This is so universally known I could ask a random person in a coffee shop and they would probably know this.
If you do remember something you are remembering what the aliens "want" you to remember, and this "memory" may have never actually happened, it could be a screen memory, a false memory. You would need an experienced regresionist to get past the screen memories, like Dr. Daivd Jacobs or Barbara Bartholic.

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
[B]My first wife was also not an abductee and had zero ET experiences with me.

That she knows about.

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
[B]My third wife was also not an abductee and had zero experiences with me.

I'm starting to note that these women must have felt that something was a miss, as it seems they ended the relationship.
My sister of whom I started this thread talking about, ended her relationship with the man who was a life long abductee. She knew nothing of abduction but said that the house was infested with scorpions and that there was no way to get rid of them as such she "ended a marriage" because of them.
Now I'm no psychotherapist but it seemed to me that this was a way for her conscious mind to legitimize what her unconscious mind knew was going on and wanted to act on.

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
The abducting ETs follow abductees from lifetime to lifetime so if you're not already on the list don't worry about it. You have more chance of being struck by lightning!

Dr. Karla Turner stated that in her studies at least 5% of the US population has experienced some kind of abduction.
I personally think it is much higher, and this is quite a bit higher than your chance of a lightning strike.

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
[B]From my extensive research and experiences if you're dating an abductee and you're getting abducted, too, or having bad ET experiences it's because you're already on the list and probably have been for thousands of years.

Well it's nice to know you have made yourself the expert here.
I'll decline believing your statement based on it's source and state there is no evidence for this.

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
My viewpoint is that the aforesaid thread is irresponsible and prejudicial. It's bad enough to be kidnapped and tortured by ETs from lifetime to lifetime without having people irresponsibly vilifying the "abductee" label. You might as well say things like:

I'm speaking where the evidence has led me.
Am I being a racist? A misogynist? Antisemitic?
I'm simply stating the facts.
If you were about to sleep with someone who had a sexually transmitted disease you would want to know. Right?
I personally think the abduction scenario is some bad mojo.
I would not want that situation and or have anything to do with it if I had the choice before hand.

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
[B]Don't Date A Pale-skinned Person.
Don't Date A Dark-skinned Person.
Don't Date A Mexican.
Don't Date An Italian.
Don't Date A Catholic.
Don't Date A Muslim.
Don't Date A Jew.

How about Don't Date A Drama Queen. Grow some cohonies and man up already.
I agree the title of the thread is a little insensitive, and I did that on purpose, but I felt it only fair since abductees often have this deluded sense of self importance and think that they are on a mission chosen by an advanced race when nothing could be further from the truth in my opinion.

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
The problem that I am constantly running into is people who make non sequitur conclusions without doing any research whatsoever. I spent a couple decades of my life researching and the result was my two books (links below) which I gave to the world free of charge, yet very few people have read them or take them seriously.

Oh I've done my research.
I think the next thread title I have in mind is, don't believe anything an abductee says or writes because they are compromised individuals.
And that would be per Dr. David Jacobs.

I think we are done here.
Good Day

[findingneo]

Hi again DNA. Sounds like you know your stuff too.

With so much experience between so many, I see huge potential for moving forward when it comes to working out likely answers to so many questions. That is what this forum is for. I hugely appreciate folk talking about these things. Between you, you could work out a great deal. I know it is very emotive, but I think that is part of the fire wall of working out what is going on. Individually, you both seem to have worked out a lot of stuff, but there are obviously things that are not agreed upon as real potential answers.

So why not put differences aside, and discuss possible reasons why your opinions are different and what that might mean. It does not really mean one is wrong and the other is right, it just might mean that if you talk about it, and discuss it, you can maybe see it from a perspective where the view is different from what you both see, and you find you are both correct. One thing I found when I talked to a being for hours, was that every time I thought I had it cornered with my questioning, trying to trip it up with it's story, it gave another perspective and more information, from which, what it was saying made sense. Not saying this being was a good dude at all, but it made me realize, we think too black and white. You guys, and I know it is emotive, if you can find a way to talk, you would be dynamite. And not in a bad way.

Anyone else who has something to contribute? I would love to hear it.

I have not ruled out I am an abductee. I don't think so, but maybe. I think loads of people are too, loads more than the usual estimates, and don't know it.

[Innocent Warrior]

A couple of weeks ago I had a nightmare. I can't remember the nightmare, only that it woke me up and when I woke up a scary sounding disembodied voice said my son's name quite loudly. It sounded menacing so I immediately went to my son who was sleeping and moved him to the same room as me so I could keep an eye on him.

Everything seemed fine, nothing else strange happened that day but then a couple of days later I found three fresh, long scratches and one shorter one on the back of his neck. He could reach where they were but you could tell he didn't do them, same fine, deep scratches that have been reported here. I asked him how he scratched his neck and he told me that he didn't and that he didn't know they were there. I asked him if he had any nightmares lately and he hadn't.

I had assumed it was an attack from some malevolent ED being but it was four scratches (they usually leave three) and the scratches were deeper and finer than the scratches I've seen from that.

But then if it was an abduction, why did I hear that voice? Does that sort of thing happen?

I had assumed I was being attacked by some ED being and they were using my son to scare me. We both have experienced encounters with both malevolent and benevolent beings but this hasn't happened before.

I made no big deal of it with my son, he's aware I keep an eye on him but we didn't talk about it, he's not much interested in any of this and he's not bothered as long as I'm not. So I played it cool and for some reason haven't investigated it myself yet, I'll do that but have a couple of questions; has anyone experienced something similar to this? If so, did you find out what happened, was it an ED being or was it an abduction, or what?

To abductees (same applies for contactees and experiencers); someone who really loves you and is meant for you won't give a sh*t, or if they do they'll be compassionate and strong about it. There's no point in arguing about whether others around you are affected or not, that's not the point anyway, love is. If someone doesn't want to date you because you're an abductee then you don't want them anyway.

[petra]

Posted by DNA (here)
Oh I've done my research.
I think the next thread title I have in mind is, don't believe anything an abductee says or writes because they are compromised individuals.
And that would be per Dr. David Jacobs.

Hi DNA, I appreciate this thread a lot, even the bit of joking involved. I don't want to call my self an "abductee" because I have never seen or imagined anything I could consider an alien, but something weird is still definitely going on. Point is, I do feel compromised in some way.

The thing about scratches really set off a lot of bells in my head. About 7 or 8 years ago I was involved with a man who I noticed scratch marks on his back, and I just thought it meant that he had sex with a girl who had long nails. I chose not to mention the scratches because I assumed he knew about them. I indirectly destroyed that man's life - I never meant to, but it happened. I heard rumors that he is happy now.... but I don't know for sure. In my mind, the more I leave him alone, the better off he will be.

[findingneo]

Folk who have been abducted, often have screen memories, but like Dr Jacob's, Truman Cash is highly experienced in removing the layers of screen memories to get to what is underneath DNA.

When it comes to getting answers, I am referring to the whole abduction/alien scenario. Certainly folk will love a person, or not. Folk can leave their partner because they snore, others may stay and continue to love their partner after their partner has lost their legs in an accident. I am just saying, it might be good to work it out.....for humanity.

Rachel, I started to write about what happened to me, and then I deleted it. I fought something off a few years back, when I woke into my astral. It was like when Neytiri tries to wake Jake in Avatar. His avatar is asleep, while he is conscious in the human world, and his avatar is in the path of a bulldozer. Neytiri tries to wake him.

What happens in mine is that I am asleep. Empty blackness. Then I am awake (in the astral) and aware and I know my higher self is yelling at something on top of me. My higher self is saying, "In the name of Jesus, get off of her!" I immediately start screaming the same at this thing right in my face. It is right up at my face and screaming, "I WILL CONTROL YOU!" It screams it a few more times and with me yelling the "Jesus" thing, it quickly goes mute, and then I wake and sit up in fright, sweating profusely.

I was not as scared as you would expect. My higher self had my back. And saying "In the name of Jesus" really worked. Please note I am not religious, but I do consider myself spiritual.

The next night, I went to sleep and again I woke into a dream. This time I walked into a community house where there were about 40 people. Each was between the ages of 20 and 35. I was joining all these volunteers to cook a vegetarian meal for the homeless. There were folk out in the garden, picking vegetables, and folk chopping and slicing them to cook. They looked at me as I came in and smiled. It felt very comfortable. One of them began to sing, "Lean On Me", and very quickly everyone joined in, even me. It was really a beautiful feeling. I knew at once, that every one of those people, was the essence of Jesus. I was being told by this dream, that there is bad, but there is also good.

I sound like I am religious, but I'm not. I wondered if this dream was put there by the bad guys too, but although they can fake it, they could not fake the love I felt come to me that night in my dream.

So was that negative experience related to abductions? I reckon it is Rachel. Inter-dimensional. I would try this. Spend some time in a quiet spot, on a regular basis, asking your higher self to protect you, and your son. Ask yourself to wake you into your astral if you or your son are attacked there, and ask your higher self to use "In the name of Jesus, get away from me and my son". Keep yelling it right back at them. You could also ask to be woken if either of you are attacked.

When folk are going to be regressed, by talking about what they want to find out, they are letting their higher selves know what they are wanting to find out. The higher self will either go directly to past lives that are the most relevant to the question, or it will redirect you to more important issues. Your higher self is recording everything your soul has ever experienced, but it generally does not communicate with you, in your everyday human life. Regression makes a connection between your waking self and your higher self that has limitless access to everything you have ever experienced. If you acknowledge it and communicate with it, just by talking out loud for instance as if you were talking to another person, it will listen. Try that. I would also state strongly, out loud that you do NOT give permission for anyone or anything to come into your body, aura, energy body, soul, higher self, etc, and your son, and that you, and he are sovereign, and that anything must get out and get away permanently and leave you both alone. Maybe you have tried these things.

BTW, I figure one of two things brought this attack about. It was either because someone I knew in the ufo field, came around for dinner to my home for the first time ever, along with my other ufo friends, (and I discovered later that he had an attachment, quite a nasty one), or, because I, shortly after, suspecting that he had, and then (having watched an online video) said out loud that I wished for the veil to be taken from my eyes so I could see the unseen. That was it. 2 nights later and I woke to that attack in the astral. One might say that I just saw what might have happened before, but I think the dinner party with uninvited friend caused the havoc. Things go haywire for 2-3 weeks when I meet him for a meal once a year when he passes by. We eat out. I make sure I go to the cleaners after. I must note, the other two ARE abductees, and there are no problems.


That song sung by the choir in my dream, all the way through.
Lean On Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEXQkrllGbA

[petra]

The idea of fake memories or even fake dreams was hard to accept at first. Once I started to realize my memory was being messed with while I was using it, I found I was questioning everything bit of sensory input I was receiving and I could barely trust myself anymore. The only way I was able to calm down was to simply accept my lack of control.

In my mind there's no denying that dreams and memories can be manufactured, but at the same time I definitely think there's something to be learned (or at least gleaned) from the fake stuff.

The way I look at it is, every kind of psychic attack would have a chance to backfire. By backfire I mean help you, as opposed to hurt you.

[william r sanford72]

I remember meeting becca/wife the first time through letters and then face to face... also knew I loved her the second we meant..she to felt it also..sat her down and told her everything at the time about my life where it had lead me and why..all of it... good and bad..every dirty demon and now..flash forward 20 years..3 children..good kids..good souls...and a life time created from love..i was given a second chance...despite the abductions or whatever you call them..whaterver IT is you lable it...despite what I was and did..Thank the creator there was someone that loved me..loves me for who iam...and children!!!I have a family!!!..I will always bee gratefull for all that has happenend in my life good and bad if it leads me again to the point I find myself..
ah why would you believe me anyways i am just an x junky convict abductee..right

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Rachel, I started to write about what happened to me, and then I deleted it. I fought something off a few years back, when I woke into my astral. It was like when Neytiri tries to wake Jake in Avatar. His avatar is asleep, while he is conscious in the human world, and his avatar is in the path of a bulldozer. Neytiri tries to wake him.

What happens in mine is that I am asleep. Empty blackness. Then I am awake (in the astral) and aware and I know my higher self is yelling at something on top of me. My higher self is saying, "In the name of Jesus, get off of her!" I immediately start screaming the same at this thing right in my face. It is right up at my face and screaming, "I WILL CONTROL YOU!" It screams it a few more times and with me yelling the "Jesus" thing, it quickly goes mute, and then I wake and sit up in fright, sweating profusely.

I was not as scared as you would expect. My higher self had my back. And saying "In the name of Jesus" really worked. Please note I am not religious, but I do consider myself spiritual.

The next night, I went to sleep and again I woke into a dream. This time I walked into a community house where there were about 40 people. Each was between the ages of 20 and 35. I was joining all these volunteers to cook a vegetarian meal for the homeless. There were folk out in the garden, picking vegetables, and folk chopping and slicing them to cook. They looked at me as I came in and smiled. It felt very comfortable. One of them began to sing, "Lean On Me", and very quickly everyone joined in, even me. It was really a beautiful feeling. I knew at once, that every one of those people, was the essence of Jesus. I was being told by this dream, that there is bad, but there is also good.

I sound like I am religious, but I'm not. I wondered if this dream was put there by the bad guys too, but although they can fake it, they could not fake the love I felt come to me that night in my dream.

So was that negative experience related to abductions? I reckon it is Rachel. Inter-dimensional. I would try this. Spend some time in a quiet spot, on a regular basis, asking your higher self to protect you, and your son. Ask yourself to wake you into your astral if you or your son are attacked there, and ask your higher self to use "In the name of Jesus, get away from me and my son". Keep yelling it right back at them. You could also ask to be woken if either of you are attacked.

Hi, thanks for all this.

I meditated on it and I sensed nothing about an abduction, it seems it was my son who was attacked by what I refer to as an extra-dimensional being (ED being), what exactly it was I don’t know, something malevolent obviously. It’s surprising to me that he doesn’t remember anything of it, which is another reason I was concerned it was an abduction.

My son and I are OK, I’ve only ever intervened for my son once and if he’d not been scratched I likely wouldn’t have asked folks on this thread about this incident. If I notice any effects on his energy or character I’ll intervene, short of that I trust he’s capable of handling it himself, he’s coming in to his late teens and his experience is extensive now.

When folk are going to be regressed, by talking about what they want to find out, they are letting their higher selves know what they are wanting to find out. The higher self will either go directly to past lives that are the most relevant to the question, or it will redirect you to more important issues. Your higher self is recording everything your soul has ever experienced, but it generally does not communicate with you, in your everyday human life. Regression makes a connection between your waking self and your higher self that has limitless access to everything you have ever experienced. If you acknowledge it and communicate with it, just by talking out loud for instance as if you were talking to another person, it will listen. Try that. I would also state strongly, out loud that you do NOT give permission for anyone or anything to come into your body, aura, energy body, soul, higher self, etc, and your son, and that you, and he are sovereign, and that anything must get out and get away permanently and leave you both alone. Maybe you have tried these things.

Yes, I understand and agree. It was my HS that told me that I can move when I’m paralysed, that it just feels like I can’t, and that’s how I’ve broken free every single time, sometimes it’s a bit of a battle of wills and I have to shift my focus to within first but it always works for me.

BTW, I figure one of two things brought this attack about. It was either because someone I knew in the ufo field, came around for dinner to my home for the first time ever, along with my other ufo friends, (and I discovered later that he had an attachment, quite a nasty one), or, because I, shortly after, suspecting that he had, and then (having watched an online video) said out loud that I wished for the veil to be taken from my eyes so I could see the unseen. That was it. 2 nights later and I woke to that attack in the astral. One might say that I just saw what might have happened before, but I think the dinner party with uninvited friend caused the havoc. Things go haywire for 2-3 weeks when I meet him for a meal once a year when he passes by. We eat out. I make sure I go to the cleaners after. I must note, the other two ARE abductees, and there are no problems.

I think a lot of the time it is because of this, it seems to come with the territory. Also, on occasion, my son and I dream of events before they happen, a lot of the time they are tragic events. After a while I began helping where I could from the information I received. I’ve noticed a pattern of more attacks at times when I’m doing that and other ED/ID work and far fewer attacks when I’m more physically focussed. I’ve heard some people say it happens because our vibration isn’t high enough but I don’t think it’s as black and white as that, it’s likely subject to a variety of reasons but we experience both high and low vibrational beings and the attacks are often subject to our intent and who’s agenda that encroaches on.

My attitude is similar to what Petra has written, I have learned a great deal from both positive and negative experiences. They attack at their own cost because I learn something new every time and as long as they don’t wear me down I can handle it myself, although I’m aware I’m being protected from what I can’t yet manage and have been assisted by my HS and friends when I needed the help.

@Petra I don’t know how they do it but I’m also certain they do create dreamscapes in which we can end up in, the set up is much like the one in the movie, Inception, where they’re the architects. I have reoccurring dreamscapes in which they are always there and I used to have some doubt about if it was real until one time they got a hold of me there and then they were on me here in the physical when I woke up to exit the dream. So at least some of those dreams are real, so take care, if you can manage it (hard to in a confused state), don’t react to them or engage with them in any way, that’s how they complete a connection to you.

[findingneo]

Hi Rachel, very interesting, thanks.
Can I ask, how you differentiate between an abduction to an ED attack? For instance, where do you feel both beings originate from? I think there are links, just not sure exactly what, regarding both beings. Good luck by the way. Love to you and your son.

DNA, I read your post on fast moving beings in a craft, then lost it when I had to go do something else. Can you please put a link here for me? Thanks.

[Flash]

decided to erase my post as it is to me quite personal experiences and that it does not seem useful to this thread

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Hi Rachel, very interesting, thanks.
Can I ask, how you differentiate between an abduction to an ED attack? For instance, where do you feel both beings originate from? I think there are links, just not sure exactly what, regarding both beings. Good luck by the way. Love to you and your son.

Outside experiences and dreams I'm not very psychic, but I'm empathic, so what i usually do is intend to sense the being/s, then I’ll focus on my heart and I can feel my reaction to it and then from that I can often get a pretty good idea of the nature and/or the intent of the being/s. In this case I focussed on the voice I heard. Then I have a couple of methods I can use to check the accuracy of what I sensed. Then I trust that if I have it wrong I’ll be made aware of that in a timely manner.

I think there are links too, in some cases anyway. My son would tell me all sorts of strange things when he was little, I was pretty much clueless at the time but after enough incidences and time I could piece enough together and I do think he has been abducted, although I prefer not to use that term due to the nature of those beings, which I don’t get into because I might end up in a pointless, emotionally charged argument with someone. Well at the same time he had an “imaginary friend” he called Mr Nobody (he told me he was imaginary because nobody else could see him), who turned out to be demonic in nature, later confirmed by my son himself. It’s possible his contact with ET type beings attracted the attention of Mr Nobody and others, I'm not certain but that's my best guess.

Thank you for the love, love to you too.

[Omni]

I totally disagree with the title of the thread. As if people being falsely labeled nutcases need further marginalization.

[findingneo]

Ok, I'm getting it. DNA, TrumanCash and Omnisense are presenting as angry because that title is hurting them I think. I think that it is maybe unintentionally disrespectful too. I didn't notice until Omnisense was upset and then I could see it. Those guys have been through more than I could imagine or cope with, are far braver than me, and it must sting if they are getting upset about it. Having been not aware of how emotive this subject can be myself, maybe you could change the title? I don't know what you have been through DNA, but if Truman Cash and Omnisense are upset, it must hurt.

I really found that post you have somewhere regarding the fast moving beings very interesting, BTW. I will look for it.

Hi again Rachel, if you were to read John DeSouza's, the Extra-Dimensionals, he would say in his book that the craft and the grays in them all come from the same place that ghosts, and the less pleasant Mr Nobody's, along with anything else paranormal come from. When the ET's come through, they tear the dimensional fabric between our dimension and the dimension the ET's come from, which can stay open for a few weeks maybe after a visit, and things can leak through the hole or use it intentionally. I think the greys probably materialize into 3D on this side, but there will be things that can't, and so manipulate this dimension any way they can. Hence, Mr Nobody.

I have read a book on past and future life regression by Dr Bruce Goldberg before I did my course, and then I saw a few of his shows with George Noory on GAIA. The one I am thinking of I think must have gone, unless I missed it, but in one, Bruce mentions some methods that assist in reducing the success of abductions by Greys. If you can block the Grays, then possibly you block the others from a door left open after a visit. I suggest that if you have GAIA, you watch all Bruce Goldbergs interviews with George Noory in case he gives some clues there that I missed the second time around. Otherwise, you could email him and ask him what things can be done to possibly block Grey's visiting.

I recall him mentioning, putting the biggest piece of IRON under the beds. Sounds like a superman, Kryptonite kind of make believe thing, but he is serious. Bruce does not say why iron, but having seen an old, short clip on youtube a few months ago with a military employee called "Cooper" that said captured greys could only be contained if they were surrounded in a faraday cage or they would literally disappear, I would say the iron somehow disrupts whatever electro magnetic tech the greys use to "appear". Bruce also mentioned crosses. Lots of them. They apparently repel Greys. Thinking in modern terms, I wonder if they do hold a kind of Jesus divine vibration of energy that they just can't tolerate because they are not from the same place. Just guessing there. And a few other things as well. I doubt the crosses even need to be visible, just present. And some other stuff which I can't remember. It might have been garlic. They do say myth has some elements of truth, hence some familiar mythical solutions. Anyway, I am pretty sure Bruce could assist. He could probably also regress you as well if you wanted to find out, what's what.

[Innocent Warrior]

I took the title to be a hyperbole? Like using an extreme to make a point but the extreme isn't meant to be taken literally, or am I being dense?

[findingneo]

I am sure there was no ill intent, but some folk are affected. I have been on DNA's end just recently you might recall, so I am just realizing this is a similar situation. Sort of. I did not really notice until TrumanCash and Omnisense pointed out that they were feeling it. Then I saw it, eventually. Learning as I go.

[findingneo]

Ok, I have just noticed the thread has been around for a few years. I thought it was new. Just ignore me maybe might be the best thing. (Awkward!)

[DNA]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Ok, I'm getting it. DNA, TrumanCash and Omnisense are presenting as angry because that title is hurting them I think. I think that it is maybe unintentionally disrespectful too. I didn't notice until Omnisense was upset and then I could see it.

If they are upset then they should not be taking themselves so seriously.
I never said Don't Date A TrumanCash or Don't Date An Omnisense.
They were triggered by a thread subject title.
Why were they triggered?
Think about that.
They are not commenting on any of the subject matter within the thread, nor the merit implied in the question of the title which is "should you as an abductee be responsible for putting others at risk by exposing them to your abductors?".
Abductees who are writing books and repeating the message they have been given by their abductors may take offense to the idea that they have a responsibility "not to infect" others with their situation.
A huge part of the abduction phenomenon involves grooming the ego of the abductee to believe they are "important" and are "chosen" for a special mission.
People who are regressed by therapists capable of getting past the "screen" or "fake" memories that have been implanted by a technologically superior society who possess mind and memory manipulation often find that behind the "important" mission these people supposedly been given there is a dark and macabre practice taking place, something no sane mortal man would ever willingly enter into.
What if someone who had AIDS was offended at the idea that they should have to disclose their situation before possibly infecting you?
Would you care about their feelings more than you cared about getting AIDS?
In my opinion many of these abduction scenarios are far worse than getting AIDS, especially if the situation is transferred to close family members such as your children.

Posted by findingneo (here)
Those guys have been through more than I could imagine or cope with, are far braver than me, and it must sting if they are getting upset about it. Having been not aware of how emotive this subject can be myself, maybe you could change the title?

I feel bad for these guys I really do, and if this thread upsets them then they should practice a little detachment and ignore it.
They can put me on ignore for that matter.
When I was reading the Dr. Karla Turner books and they are the best of their kind in my opinion, I couldn't help but to wonder to myself the responsibility of the abductee to disclose their possible effed up situation to someone they are intimately inviting into their lives.
And by the way, Dr. Karla Turner's assessment of the abduction situation is that the Greys work for the Reptilians.
Their job is to herd certain humans as cattle.
Furthermore the Reptilians eat humans, but only the bodies of humans that have been flavored with a soul and as such have had emtions to marinate the flesh.
Dr. Turner remarks how there seems to be a cloning operation where the Greys via the Reptilians can pull a human soul out of it's body and insert it into a fresh clone.
They then eat the marinated body.
There seem to be many horrors experienced between all of this.

Posted by findingneo (here)
I don't know what you have been through DNA, but if Truman Cash and Omnisense are upset, it must hurt.
I really found that post you have somewhere regarding the fast moving beings very interesting, BTW. I will look for it.

Detachment, they must practice detachment, especially in so far as I never showed up on their threads making personal statements against them.
Had I showed up in their thread making these statements then I would agree that this would have been insensitive, but this thread has been up for over two years now. There is no way I'm changing the title short of Bill Ryan himself asking me to.
They were triggered, why I can only guess, but it could be that they have some pride in their situation and they do not like the idea of folks looking at their situation as something to not be desired.

Posted by findingneo (here)
Hi again Rachel, if you were to read John DeSouza's, the Extra-Dimensionals, he would say in his book that the craft and the grays in them all come from the same place that ghosts, and the less pleasant Mr Nobody's, along with anything else paranormal come from.

I'm a fan of John Keel and I'm a fan of high strangeness.
Skinwalker Ranch, portal zones, Sasquatch, Dogman and yes ghosts.
I'm not just an armchair researcher, I've spent time in the field.
I spent years meditating to the point I could see and maintain a limited form of communication with ghosts and such.
I've seen some crazy things, and I've been able to interact. I've shown others my methods and they have worked amazingly well, especially for beginners.
It really isn't that hard.
I say all of this because all of these things do not come from the same place. Unless mankind is in a prison, a prison where the bars are removal of multidimensional capability and then I suppose you could say all of these things come from the same place in the sense that they come from a place where they are multidimensional beings with a much broader understanding of reality than we have.

Posted by findingneo (here)
When the ET's come through, they tear the dimensional fabric between our dimension and the dimension the ET's come from, which can stay open for a few weeks maybe after a visit, and things can leak through the hole or use it intentionally.

On the Gorman ranch from the "Hunt for the skinwalker" book, digging is a no no. There was a stipulation in the deal when they bought the ranch that they would contact that prior owners to make sure it was okay to dig in certain spots.
When the national institute of scientific discovery began doing research on the ranch after they bought it from the Gormans they found that they could generate more activity by digging. It seemed that digging on the grounds would pertube and annoy the "extra-dimensional" denizens of the area.
My personal hypothesis for this was that there was an underground alien base, and in my mind this base was rock and metal and this base I had always thought was either "using" a portal zone that is naturally occurring in the area due to ley lines traversing the earth. I say this because it "appears" that many animals and cryptids are using the portals as if they have evolved the ability to see and use them, much like birds have evolved magnatite in their brains and as such are capable of perceiving the magnetesphere to the point that they can use it for their migrations as a sort of map.
The idea that cryptids and animals have "evolved" the ability to use portals in my mind would make the portal a "natural" occurance. Right?
And this adds the multidimensional perception I was alluding to earlier.

Posted by findingneo (here)
I have read a book on past and future life regression by Dr Bruce Goldberg before I did my course, and then I saw a few of his shows with George Noory on GAIA. The one I am thinking of I think must have gone, unless I missed it, but in one, Bruce mentions some methods that assist in reducing the success of abductions by Greys. If you can block the Grays, then possibly you block the others from a door left open after a visit. I suggest that if you have GAIA, you watch all Bruce Goldbergs interviews with George Noory in case he gives some clues there that I missed the second time around. Otherwise, you could email him and ask him what things can be done to possibly block Grey's visiting.
I recall him mentioning, putting the biggest piece of IRON under the beds.

This is interesting.
I've personally noted that ghosts have a harder time with denser materials. Not because they "can't" move through the denser material, like rock or granite and such but because they can't take the stolen life force or energy that they need. Ghosts feed on the life force of human beings, and when they pass through dense material that stolen life force will stay in the dense material. So ghosts avoid dense material, and the idea that you can surround yourself with dense building materials and as such discourage ghosts has always been known to me.
This statement about the Iron is pretty cool.
I've often thought that Greys alter the matter in certain areas via some kind of techonology so that they can "pass" through solid matter.
Is it possible that some mater is more difficult for them to manipulate than others? Iron being one of those?
I"m also of the opinion that Greys manipulate time and as such they can pick you up and spend hours on you yet drop you off only a second after they abducted you.
Could iron affect that ability to manipulate time?
Very intriguing and I thank you findingneo for bringing this to my attention.

Posted by findingneo (here)
Sounds like a superman, Kryptonite kind of make believe thing, but he is serious. Bruce does not say why iron, but having seen an old, short clip on youtube a few months ago with a military employee called "Cooper" that said captured greys could only be contained if they were surrounded in a faraday cage or they would literally disappear,

I had never heard that about the faraday cage either.

Posted by findingneo (here)
I would say the iron somehow disrupts whatever electro magnetic tech the greys use to "appear". Bruce also mentioned crosses. Lots of them. They apparently repel Greys. Thinking in modern terms, I wonder if they do hold a kind of Jesus divine vibration of energy that they just can't tolerate because they are not from the same place. Just guessing there. And a few other things as well. I doubt the crosses even need to be visible, just present. And some other stuff which I can't remember. It might have been garlic. They do say myth has some elements of truth, hence some familiar mythical solutions. Anyway, I am pretty sure Bruce could assist. He could probably also regress you as well if you wanted to find out, what's what.

I like the garlic thing, I could see why Greys could have been the acutal source for the myth of vampires.
I'm going to check this guys out. Thanks
The cross thing is weird. I almost bought a five ounce silver cross yesterday on e-bay.
It was a tad too much more expensive than a traditional five ounce bar so I didn't but man I really really wanted to.
Keep it coming findingneo, you have some really good stuff.

[Spiral]

Having read through this thread, plus my own experiences I don't think that "abductee" is a catch all title any more than the word "assault", which seems to cover anything from a grope to a full amphibious landing by the marines.

I don't think we are dealing with "extra terrestrials" either, those pushing that angle always seem to have an agenda & cherry pick their data.

In short IMHO we are dealing with a sliding scale of "interference" from another realm which is a part of THIS world, everything from "little people", to "cryptids" to "ETs" are all part of the same phenomena or realm.

Like the fauna of our realm there are different "beings" at different levels, and so abductions don't all follow the same pattern or are for the same reason, there is a spectrum of intelligence & intent behind these things.

There seems to be entities that home in on certain spots & follow certain individuals in a manner we might attribute to opportunist thieves or poachers, and then there are individuals that seem to be part of some kind of program, who are removed from their environment & put back with a little more "care" (as much as that sticks in my throat) & nothing & no one around them is touched, possibly as part of said program.

This other realm I speak of is why anyone effected by these things is also subject to such a degree of para normal activity, often drawn into occult subjects & why so many abductees find that turning to Jesus Christ does actually stop this unwanted activity, although no one really want to hear that last bit for some reason ?

Not for the easily triggered lol http://www.alienresistance.org/

[DNA]

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Posted by DNA (here)
Oh I've done my research.
I think the next thread title I have in mind is, don't believe anything an abductee says or writes because they are compromised individuals.
And that would be per Dr. David Jacobs.

Hi DNA, I appreciate this thread a lot, even the bit of joking involved. I don't want to call my self an "abductee" because I have never seen or imagined anything I could consider an alien, but something weird is still definitely going on. Point is, I do feel compromised in some way.

The thing about scratches really set off a lot of bells in my head. About 7 or 8 years ago I was involved with a man who I noticed scratch marks on his back, and I just thought it meant that he had sex with a girl who had long nails. I chose not to mention the scratches because I assumed he knew about them. I indirectly destroyed that man's life - I never meant to, but it happened. I heard rumors that he is happy now.... but I don't know for sure. In my mind, the more I leave him alone, the better off he will be.

Sorry about my quoted words there.
I was more or less responding to an attack on this thread and those words do not help anyone.
I may edit my post and erase that.
I certainly don't want you to feel it was directed at you and I wouldn't want anyone to think that as well.
Thank you for responding to the thread Petra.
I don't care how old a thread is I've started, I would like to think I will always answer questions to folks who seem to be seeking them and this is especially so on a thread I've started. Not that I may have the answers, but that I will attempt to dialogue with you in the hopes that something valuable is gleaned by both parties.
When you say "indirectly destroyed that man's life" do you mean it had to do with abductions? And if so what exactly happened that would make you come to this conclusion?
The scratches are indeed a troublesome reminder. I often wonder why they are left. Are these beings truly this careless? Or do they intentionally do this.
Regardless, it would seem that they could be more careful for it surely is not something folks wish to see.
Sorry about taking so long to reply. Life happens.
Take care

[DNA]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Hi again DNA. Sounds like you know your stuff too.

With so much experience between so many, I see huge potential for moving forward when it comes to working out likely answers to so many questions. That is what this forum is for. I hugely appreciate folk talking about these things. Between you, you could work out a great deal. I know it is very emotive, but I think that is part of the fire wall of working out what is going on. Individually, you both seem to have worked out a lot of stuff, but there are obviously things that are not agreed upon as real potential answers.

So why not put differences aside, and discuss possible reasons why your opinions are different and what that might mean. It does not really mean one is wrong and the other is right, it just might mean that if you talk about it, and discuss it, you can maybe see it from a perspective where the view is different from what you both see, and you find you are both correct. One thing I found when I talked to a being for hours, was that every time I thought I had it cornered with my questioning, trying to trip it up with it's story, it gave another perspective and more information, from which, what it was saying made sense. Not saying this being was a good dude at all, but it made me realize, we think too black and white. You guys, and I know it is emotive, if you can find a way to talk, you would be dynamite. And not in a bad way.

Anyone else who has something to contribute? I would love to hear it.

I have not ruled out I am an abductee. I don't think so, but maybe. I think loads of people are too, loads more than the usual estimates, and don't know it.

I appreciate your sentiments here regarding folks getting along and such. I agree and you are to be commended for attempting to bring peace and encourage conversation. I've never really read any of Truman Cash's threads nor his books, and for the most part Truman and I have conversed little to none.
I don't know him aside from him showing up on this thread and having an emotional outburst.
You can understand my situation when someone basically walks into your house and pisses on the living room floor.
But if we can get past that I would have no problem conversing with Truman.

But in regards to the bolded part of your text I would be very interested to know more about this interaction you speak of.
I've had interactions of my own, and I've learned that speaking about them is ussually more for myself than anyone else, as such I've learned to keep such things to myself, folks have a hard time with this stuff, and this includes people you have known and loved all your life.

I would love to hear about this interaction you have had.
But if this is something you wish to keep to yourself I understand that as well.
These things are delicate.
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Posted by findingneo (here)
Folk who have been abducted, often have screen memories, but like Dr Jacob's, Truman Cash is highly experienced in removing the layers of screen memories to get to what is underneath DNA.

Again I don't know anything about Truman's experiences.

Posted by findingneo (here)
Rachel, I started to write about what happened to me, and then I deleted it. I fought something off a few years back, when I woke into my astral. It was like when Neytiri tries to wake Jake in Avatar. His avatar is asleep, while he is conscious in the human world, and his avatar is in the path of a bulldozer. Neytiri tries to wake him.

Again, I'm certainly no expert or anything, but this sounds definitely sounds like the "Old Hag Syndrome".
I've had it myself a few times.
Fifteen years ago I was visiting my father when his neighbors house burned down across the street.
Huge fire, I don't know if you've ever seen a large two story Victorian house burn down in an old neighborhood but it is quite a spectacular sight.
Anyway I go to sleep while the house is burning down and I'm having the most horrible nightmare, I'm being chased by a ghost in the dream and he is a real d!ck.
Anyway I wake up and he is right there over me laughing about how I can't do anything about his presence.
Well the joke was on him.
I couldn't banish him, and I personally do not think you can banish ghosts.
Just my experience they have always told me to f#ck off whenever I've tried.
But, that being said, I do know a combination of Orange peel oil, wild oat extract, eucalyptus oil and shea butter make a topical lotion that for some reason repels ghosts and makes it difficult/not-worth-it to steal your energy.
Ghost-B-Gone..........
I'm not kidding by the way, I know this may sound hilarious, but it is totally true.
So at the expense of looking nuts I'll continue and feel free to have a laugh at my expense because it is indeed hilarious.
So I tell the mean ghost from the burnt down Victorian House to F#ck off, and I open up a bottle of Ghost-B-Gone, apply liberally to body, extremities and face and the dick head ghost is in disbelief that he cannot steal my energy.
And on another positive note, my dad who is a sociopath and I'm not kidding when i say this told me the next morning how he had the worst dreams the night before.
I didn't feel guilty because my dad is an absolute turd of a human being, so "win win" on this one.
So in summation, rather than an ultra-dimensional or what not this is probably a ghost and for what it's worth I'm going to tell you that they are not the same thing and I would much rather deal with a ghost than an ultra-dimensional.

Posted by findingneo (here)
What happens in mine is that I am asleep. Empty blackness. Then I am awake (in the astral) and aware and I know my higher self is yelling at something on top of me. My higher self is saying, "In the name of Jesus, get off of her!" I immediately start screaming the same at this thing right in my face. It is right up at my face and screaming, "I WILL CONTROL YOU!" It screams it a few more times and with me yelling the "Jesus" thing, it quickly goes mute, and then I wake and sit up in fright, sweating profusely.

The old hag syndrom comes in different flavors.
I've had quite a few variations.
It's nice someone was sticking up for you.
Ghosts and or shadow creatures which in my opinion are ghosts but in a different situation use a manuever to maximize the energy they take from you.
When we dream we are really in the astral realm.
We leave our bodies and do our thing.
We activate certain organs of perception which again go dormant when we wake, making remembering what happened difficult.
Ghosts and or shadow creatures may find our body in the physical and or find our astral body in the astral plane, regardless they move to our body and maneuver to our chest where they manipulate the silver cord connecting our body to the astral body, they then cause a disturbance and our astral body is pulled back into our body, but the entity in question manipulates the astral body as it returns so that it doesn't and or can't fully immerse itself back in our body. This creates a paralysis and at the same time you are viewing the situation from your astral body, so you can see the being who is doing this to you, and they really like this part, so they attempt to scare the holy be-jesus out of you and in doing so they reap the reward of energetic waves rippling off of your being due to the fright.

Posted by findingneo (here)
I was not as scared as you would expect. My higher self had my back. And saying "In the name of Jesus" really worked. Please note I am not religious, but I do consider myself spiritual.

Lucky you.

Posted by findingneo (here)
The next night, I went to sleep and again I woke into a dream. This time I walked into a community house where there were about 40 people. Each was between the ages of 20 and 35. I was joining all these volunteers to cook a vegetarian meal for the homeless. There were folk out in the garden, picking vegetables, and folk chopping and slicing them to cook. They looked at me as I came in and smiled. It felt very comfortable. One of them began to sing, "Lean On Me", and very quickly everyone joined in, even me. It was really a beautiful feeling. I knew at once, that every one of those people, was the essence of Jesus. I was being told by this dream, that there is bad, but there is also good.

I've always wished I could have faith in something like this but I think I'm incapable of faith. I'm not saying such beings are not real even if I do not believe the Bible per se, I do think Jesus is an avatar much like many of the other accomplished spiritual people of earth. I wish I knew of one I could call on and feel a little more original or something.
Nice dream though

Posted by findingneo (here)
I sound like I am religious, but I'm not. I wondered if this dream was put there by the bad guys too, but although they can fake it, they could not fake the love I felt come to me that night in my dream.

Your dream sounds legit to me.

Posted by findingneo (here)
So was that negative experience related to abductions?

I personally do not think it was.
I've had a little more than a hand shake with this realm. Just my point of view though.

Posted by findingneo (here)
I reckon it is Rachel. Inter-dimensional. I would try this. Spend some time in a quiet spot, on a regular basis, asking your higher self to protect you, and your son. Ask yourself to wake you into your astral if you or your son are attacked there, and ask your higher self to use "In the name of Jesus, get away from me and my son". Keep yelling it right back at them. You could also ask to be woken if either of you are attacked.

When folk are going to be regressed, by talking about what they want to find out, they are letting their higher selves know what they are wanting to find out. The higher self will either go directly to past lives that are the most relevant to the question, or it will redirect you to more important issues. Your higher self is recording everything your soul has ever experienced, but it generally does not communicate with you, in your everyday human life. Regression makes a connection between your waking self and your higher self that has limitless access to everything you have ever experienced. If you acknowledge it and communicate with it, just by talking out loud for instance as if you were talking to another person, it will listen. Try that. I would also state strongly, out loud that you do NOT give permission for anyone or anything to come into your body, aura, energy body, soul, higher self, etc, and your son, and that you, and he are sovereign, and that anything must get out and get away permanently and leave you both alone. Maybe you have tried these things.

I absolutely believe in our higher self.
I also think that for some Jesus seems to work.

Posted by findingneo (here)
BTW, I figure one of two things brought this attack about. It was either because someone I knew in the ufo field, came around for dinner to my home for the first time ever, along with my other ufo friends, (and I discovered later that he had an attachment, quite a nasty one), or, because I, shortly after, suspecting that he had, and then (having watched an online video) said out loud that I wished for the veil to be taken from my eyes so I could see the unseen. That was it. 2 nights later and I woke to that attack in the astral. One might say that I just saw what might have happened before, but I think the dinner party with uninvited friend caused the havoc. Things go haywire for 2-3 weeks when I meet him for a meal once a year when he passes by. We eat out. I make sure I go to the cleaners after. I must note, the other two ARE abductees, and there are no problems.
That song sung by the choir in my dream, all the way through.
Lean On Me

Good stuff.
Thank you FindingNeo