Don't Date An Abductee

[DNA]

Posted by Rachel (here)
A couple of weeks ago I had a nightmare. I can't remember the nightmare, only that it woke me up and when I woke up a scary sounding disembodied voice said my son's name quite loudly. It sounded menacing so I immediately went to my son who was sleeping and moved him to the same room as me so I could keep an eye on him.

I'm not psychic but I'm going to go stream of consciousness here, this may connect certain dots or offer more questions to ask, we shall see. I'm no authority and I certainly wouldn't assume my words are anything but an opinion from someone for all intents and purposes knows next to nothing about your situation.
Now that my disclaimer has been made let us move forward.
This sounds very ghost like.
I'm of the opinion that ghosts are the rule and the norm rather than the exception, and ghosts absolutely feed on human energy.
A ghosts favorite time to feed is while you lay in bed, and they can affect your dreams and enter them as well.
The "old Hag Syndrom" comes to mind, if you are not familiar with the phrase look it up.
There have been paintings depicting this situation done hundreds of years ago. It is something that most humans have experienced at one time or another.
If we can remove the scratches from the equation then a ghost or ghosts could very well fit the criteria here.
The scratches coming in fours and not threes could lend one to think that they probably/hopefully came from a human hand and maybe there is a logical explanation for them other than what is being discussed here.
Being in a hypnagogic transitional dream state is the most likely time you are going to be able to perceive and or hear something like this as well.

You mentioned that you and your son have had experiences with ED(Extra-Demensionals?) before and if so, do you care to share?
I hope all is well Rachel, and I hope all is well with your family and son as well.

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Posted by Rachel (here)
Outside experiences and dreams I'm not very psychic, but I'm empathic,

Me too.
I'm not very psychic at all.
It is my experience that the two are usually not possessed by the same person.
Psychic people are usually not very empathic from what I've seen.
My dad is a total sociopath.
He is literally the worst of the worst and he has shown flashes of being psychic.
This used to just boggle my mind but things are what they are.

Back to the empathic thing.
The phrase "where your attention goes so to does your energy" is very true.
Ghosts feed on human energy.
And empathic people, especially those who are so empathic as to be able to feel ghosts in vicinity are often haunted people in my opinion. This because the ghosts getting attention because you can sense them also get energy.
Also, from my experience empathic people are easier to steal energy from.
I'm shrugging my shoulders here attempting to minimize this statement but there it is.
Having such a finely tuned built in radar system comes with a price.

Posted by Rachel (here)
I think there are links too, in some cases anyway. My son would tell me all sorts of strange things when he was little, I was pretty much clueless at the time but after enough incidences and time I could piece enough together and I do think he has been abducted, although I prefer not to use that term due to the nature of those beings, which I don’t get into because I might end up in a pointless, emotionally charged argument with someone. Well at the same time he had an “imaginary friend” he called Mr Nobody (he told me he was imaginary because nobody else could see him), who turned out to be demonic in nature, later confirmed by my son himself. It’s possible his contact with ET type beings attracted the attention of Mr Nobody and others, I'm not certain but that's my best guess.

Thank you for the love, love to you too.

I have a five year old and she has had an imaginary friend since before she could talk. But then so did I from what my mom tells me.
My daughter has admited that her imaginary friend would try to get her to do all sorts of naughty things.
My wife has hated this imaginary person.
I don't know what to say about it.
I'm loath to put on meditative vision anymore.
When you peer into the darkness with your brights on the darkness peers back and I don't want anything following me home anymore now that I have children.
That being said though, I could never "see" the imaginary friend of my daughter and ghosts are so easy for me to see I don't really need third eye activation through meditation.
"Nature Spirits" are not easy to see. Not easy for me to see anyway.
I've interacted with nature beings in the past only through very intense and long lasting meditations.
Nature Spirits are not really benevolent or malevolent they are usually their own person like we are, and they can be mischievious.
I wouldn't call Nature Spirits extra-dimensionals. I just wouldn't.
They are too common and lack real world effects.
They can't punch you in the face or anything.
I think you and I could be looking at a Nature Spirit Being type scenario.
Just my two cents there.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by DNA (here)
I'm not psychic but I'm going to go stream of consciousness here, this may connect certain dots or offer more questions to ask, we shall see. I'm no authority and I certainly wouldn't assume my words are anything but an opinion from someone for all intents and purposes knows next to nothing about your situation.
Now that my disclaimer has been made let us move forward.

I welcome people’s opinions and I’m no authority either, not even about what I experience. If I were to strictly report only what happens, without any additional observations, I’d be 100% confident I’m reporting only facts, but when it comes to understanding I’m learning as I go and beyond what’s made obvious from direct experience I can only offer opinions too. How some people seem to have it all figured out is beyond me, that would take a LOT of experience, perhaps being psychic helps them a lot. That's my disclaimer done too.

This sounds very ghost like.
I'm of the opinion that ghosts are the rule and the norm rather than the exception, and ghosts absolutely feed on human energy.
A ghosts favorite time to feed is while you lay in bed, and they can affect your dreams and enter them as well.
The "old Hag Syndrom" comes to mind, if you are not familiar with the phrase look it up.
There have been paintings depicting this situation done hundreds of years ago. It is something that most humans have experienced at one time or another.
If we can remove the scratches from the equation then a ghost or ghosts could very well fit the criteria here.
The scratches coming in fours and not threes could lend one to think that they probably/hopefully came from a human hand and maybe there is a logical explanation for them other than what is being discussed here.

I never considered ghosts because they’ve always seemed pretty harmless, that’s interesting, thanks. I’ll get back to ghosts further on (I have a question for you). I’d love to remove the scratches from the equation but I used the process of elimination and the most logical explanation is paranormal, the most compelling element being they were quite long and deep and it’s hard to imagine he was scratched like that without being aware of it when it happened, possible but not likely.

You mentioned that you and your son have had experiences with ED(Extra-Demensionals?) before and if so, do you care to share?
I hope all is well Rachel, and I hope all is well with your family and son as well.

All is well, thank you, we're really not bothered at all for the most part, a 3D only view is boring to me anyway and this is just like an extension of that, it contains all sorts of characters, just like 3D does. Back to the ED beings, yes, I pretty much refer to anything that’s not of the physical realm as ED because I don’t know exactly what or who they are a lot of the time (they’re also often not visible), so I lump them all into that category, and either malevolent or benevolent. I don’t refer to them as non-physical because they feel just as physical as anything else, so ED it is.

My son has always perceived them, I had an occasional paranormal experience before my son was born but never thought much about it but when he came along I started experiencing a lot more. As I mentioned, he’d tell me strange things, he’d also say things that he couldn’t have known when he was little, which would freak people out sometimes, which in turn would scare him, so initially I was mostly just learning what I could to understand him and protect him from people, he’d also get frustrated with me when he was telling me about things because I was evidently clueless. So it’s been a lot but to keep it brief I can describe the beings.

There’s the large, formless shadow beings, strangely enough they seem to be of this world. They’re visible, pitch black energy and I can hear them coming, they sound like a thunderous roar in my mind. They are very fast acting, their energy feels like pure evil and they can push, pull and alter your energy to attack physically. Very uncomfortable and intense, takes some time to recover, they could wear someone down very quickly. Then there’s the other shadow beings, humanoid shaped and slug shaped, I’ve seen them without incident.

Orbs. All harmless so far in my experience. There’s little fluttery, translucent, white ones that can enter you, seemingly to communicate. Larger, coloured ones, more translucent in the day and opaque looking at night. I’ve seen white, amber and have photos of a soccer ball sized, violet one around my son. The photos were taken during mid afternoon and early evening, PM me if you’d like to see them, DNA. Also a sparkler looking orb and I’ve also interacted with one that looks like a star (shot the amber orb out across the sky in response to me communicating with it).

Demonic, often invisible but sometimes visible. Shape-shifters, can appear as objects, humans (seen one that looked horribly burned), cats. Harmful, they attack psychically but mostly physically with me, like the formless shadow beings but attack body rather than energy. They attach and influence people (very scary situation when I spotted one in someone close to me once). They have attempted to sexually assault, physically harm, taunt, and corrupt (know mind intimately, set traps and try trip you up).

ETs, I once saw a Grey face to face, in my mind’s eye after I asked to see, so it wasn’t here physically, rather it showed itself to me, very vivid and very cool, I just stared at it. I couldn’t get a good look at it but woke up to a being beside my bed this past year that had the weirdest energy, really weird, alien feeling, seemed physical, was visible but it was dark and when I tried to get a good look at it it threw sparkly, bright, white light in my eyes, which made my physical body fall unconscious. My son had encounters he told me about when he was little (they gently made themselves known to me, also asked my son to pass on messages to me, pretty personal though). I saw a crescent shaped light ship once, really neat.

Ghosts, you know about them. I don’t know how many ghosts we’ve seen, neither my son or I can tell them apart from the living unless they do something like walk through a wall, or, in my son’s case, he can tell if he’s familiar with them. They can be a lot of fun. A ghost that appears as a medieval knight has visited my son a few times. One day in primary school they had a medieval themed day with displays of various medieval objects. My son was standing in front of a suit or armour, admiring it, when it suddenly moved and said, “boo!”, it was his knight friend playing a joke on him.

Then there’s other random beings, like gremlin looking things and the Grim Reaper (son saw him in the mirror), also the Hat Man but he’s just been in dreams. One of the methods I use to communicate with guides is a somewhat controversial method, so I don’t usually talk about that, definitely not publicly, but they're various types too.

That’s about all the types I can recall coming across.

I have a five year old and she has had an imaginary friend since before she could talk. But then so did I from what my mom tells me.
My daughter has admited that her imaginary friend would try to get her to do all sorts of naughty things.
My wife has hated this imaginary person.
I don't know what to say about it.
I'm loath to put on meditative vision anymore.
When you peer into the darkness with your brights on the darkness peers back and I don't want anything following me home anymore now that I have children.
That being said though, I could never "see" the imaginary friend of my daughter and ghosts are so easy for me to see I don't really need third eye activation through meditation.
"Nature Spirits" are not easy to see. Not easy for me to see anyway.
I've interacted with nature beings in the past only through very intense and long lasting meditations.
Nature Spirits are not really benevolent or malevolent they are usually their own person like we are, and they can be mischievious.
I wouldn't call Nature Spirits extra-dimensionals. I just wouldn't.
They are too common and lack real world effects.
They can't punch you in the face or anything.
I think you and I could be looking at a Nature Spirit Being type scenario.
Just my two cents there.

I don’t know much about nature spirit beings, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one. I never saw Mr Nobody, my son could but never could see his real face. According to my son it was a demon.

My question to you is about how you can tell ghosts from the living? I've noticed they didn't make any sound as they walked when realising they were ghosts but that's all I can tell. Do you have any more tells? I've considered just going up to them and touching them but that may not end well if one turns out to be an incarnate human.

[findingneo]

Hi DNA, I see your posts, I will be back later, have got some things to do, but in the meantime, I suggest you might like to read TrumanCash's free books, "The Programming Of A Planet", "Th Eye Of RA" and his thread, "The Matrix Revealed". He really does know his stuff, he just does not strut his stuff. He is a big gold nugget just under the surface that most folk don't know is there. I just happened to come across him because we have some things in common. He knew Phil Shneider, was abducted in Dulce for poking about for an entrance on the surface, has done countless regressions again and again on abductees to peel away all the screen memory layers. He has been regressed many times by one of his wives to peel away the layers of deceit. Loads more too. I think he would have left ego behind with his crayons to be honest. I don't see any sign of him feeling special. I think that is for those who buy the screen memories. I get the impression he has dug down so deep it would be more like he has gone through what returning war veterans have to deal with. Those 2 books and one thread can be accessed at the bottom of each of his posts, to be downloaded, for free. Very, very good.

When it comes to ED's DNA, it is how Rachel deciphers it, and Spiral. John DeSouza, ex FBI, who trained other FBI (Agents), investigated the major terrorist attacks in the U.S., investigated the cases that baffled other FBI investigators due to their apparent paranormal aspects,was the real like Mulder, and was demoted when the Ex Files released programs that gained the attention of the FBI. The FBI interviewed the writer of the Ex Files, asking where he obtained the material for his series. When the writer asked which particular episode, the FBI apparently backed off, as that would be giving the game away. Then, John was questioned as to whether he had given the writer any info, he said he hadn't, but he was demoted anyway, as if he had. Something like that. So then he retires to write paranormal books, passed by the FBI as not true as they are paranormal, and one book he writes is called "The Extra-Dimensionals". If you buy one book on the paranormal, I recommend this one. A few lines from his book clarifies what is mean't by Extra-Dimensional.

John DeSouza, page 152, The Extra-Dimensionals (Book),

"....Extra-Dimensionality not only helps us to comprehend our Alien visitors-it will also help reveal the truth of all paranormal phenomena. Extra-Dimensionals, ghosts,crypto-animals and more, according to Extra-Dimensionality, all come and go through the same portals......".

I will be back later. Thanks BTW, DNA.

[findingneo]

You mentioned here about the possible difference in how time seems to pass in our dimension to possibly other ones (yes, aware of the "There is no time, there is just now" thing. And that the 4th dimension is time). Anyway, you also mentioned in another thread (can't find it, and can't quite remember it) that you(?) had some sort of experience where you saw beings on a craft that seemed to move as if they were transporting from one place in the craft to the next (you explained it much better). It reminded me of a pet slug I had once, that lived in the drainage hole at the back of the bathroom wash basin, next to the toilet (It was snowing outside so could not evict it in the winter). Along with other slugs and snails, this one seemed to not be aware humans were about unless we got close to it. It seemed as if we move about so fast, they don't see us. It was only when I would put it's dinner in the soap dish area (lettuce) at the time it would come out from it's hole at 9pm every night, that it seemed to be aware of me. It would crunch away at it's lettuce and it appeared to observe me as it did so, as I chatted to it while I sat on the loo, the tiny black dots at the end of it's eye stalks seemingly turned towards me, intent on watching, listening contentedly as it ate it's meal.

So the first thing I wondered, was, were the beings you saw on the craft, transporting from one place to another in that room, or were they walking from one spot to the next, but seemed to be transporting, when perhaps they were just standing still at different panels, and could then be "seen"? I wonder, if these beings usually walk around at a fairly normal pace comparative to us when in our 3D, if they were therefore in a craft which was a different dimension on the inside as to the outside? Just a thought DNA. What do you think?

[Innocent Warrior]

DNA, ignore this part from my post -

I don’t know much about nature spirit beings, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one. I never saw Mr Nobody, my son could but never could see his real face. The influence will escalate over time. [...] so keep a close eye on that, DNA.

I had misread your post and just noticed you wrote in past tense, nothing to be concerned about then (will edit my post).

Findingneo, I meant to ask you a question about the portals you mentioned before from the ED book. I've seen what I figured to be one open up and close only two metres away from me in my house. It was literally like a tear that ripped open. It all happened pretty fast, a couple of seconds, it began as really bright, white light about half way between the floor and the ceiling and then tore both up and down from there. It was about two metres high, not very wide, maybe 30 cm and what struck me was the intensity of the light (bright like a lightning strike) and the strangeness of seeing something that makes it look like the fabric of this dimension can be ripped open like wrapping paper, briefly revealing light from another dimension. My question is did he say what that white light is? Is the light from the other dimension and it shows through as they enter or is it light that's released from the portal itself?

[DNA]

Posted by Rachel (here)
I never considered ghosts because they’ve always seemed pretty harmless, that’s interesting, thanks. I’ll get back to ghosts further on (I have a question for you). I’d love to remove the scratches from the equation but I used the process of elimination and the most logical explanation is paranormal, the most compelling element being they were quite long and deep and it’s hard to imagine he was scratched like that without being aware of it when it happened, possible but not likely.

Halfway through my day last week I had three deep and one very short scratch on my forearm. They were deep, blood was visible and the wounds hadn't scabbed over yet. I noticed them just after I had gotten home from work and they weren't there when I showered that morning. These scratches were not paranormal/alien scratches, they were deep and I still have the marks on my arm right now but sometimes you can just scratch yourself and you literally have no explanation.

The scratches I mentioned on the first page of this thread that led me to think my sisters house wasn't such a good place for me to be staying were noticed as I prepared to take a shower just after awaking. They were deep and still glistening with blood, they were fresh and in a place there was no way I could have done it myself. And furthermore my sister and her husband both were receiving scratches like this on a regular basis.
I'm of a strong opinion that the types that leave scratches are reptilian and they abduct everyone within the confines of where their technology is being employed to incite an abduction. If you are driving to the grocery store why pick up just milk when you can get eggs, bread and butter at the same time?
In short it makes no sense that this is an isolated for your son, and that you are not experiencing this as well.
Everyone in the house would be getting abducted if this was a reptilian visitation in my opinion. Since this is not happening I think you can rest assured that you and your son are not getting this type of attention, and I'm of the opinion that this is what you should focus on and hope for.

Posted by Rachel (here)
All is well, thank you, we're really not bothered at all for the most part, a 3D only view is boring to me anyway and this is just like an extension of that, it contains all sorts of characters, just like 3D does. Back to the ED beings, yes, I pretty much refer to anything that’s not of the physical realm as ED because I don’t know exactly what or who they are a lot of the time (they’re also often not visible), so I lump them all into that category, and either malevolent or benevolent. I don’t refer to them as non-physical because they feel just as physical as anything else, so ED it is.

I'm not a one size fits all kind of guy. I believe each of these types of phenomenon is separate and should be identified specifically for what it is. I see you have broken up your experiences into various topics below and I appreciate this.

Posted by Rachel (here)
My son has always perceived them, I had an occasional paranormal experience before my son was born but never thought much about it but when he came along I started experiencing a lot more. As I mentioned, he’d tell me strange things, he’d also say things that he couldn’t have known when he was little, which would freak people out sometimes, which in turn would scare him, so initially I was mostly just learning what I could to understand him and protect him from people, he’d also get frustrated with me when he was telling me about things because I was evidently clueless. So it’s been a lot but to keep it brief I can describe the beings.
There’s the large, formless shadow beings, strangely enough they seem to be of this world.

I've had some experiences here. I have a thread called "my experience with a shadow being".
I agree many of these creatures seem to be of this world, but ultimately they answer to folks who are not of this world in my opinion.
The Horus-Ra thread is based on the idea that an ultimately alien controller has shadow being underlings cord humans on their base chalkra, their sex chalkra.
This "basis" is in the Dr. Malanga work, the rest of the thread often times gets away from this, but I'm sticking with this original premise and trying to work from that here.
I stick with this original premise because I've had experiences, personal experiences that have led me to believe this as well.
Shadow beings on the bottom of the pyramid (it is an energetic pyramid ponze scheme) are often times ghosts, human ghosts who have lost their way because of how long they have remained earth bound ghosts.
Shadow beings on the bottom of the pyramid cord human beings and are in turn corded themselves from parasitic shadow creatures that are above them in the structure.

Posted by Rachel (here)
(shadow beings) They’re visible, pitch black energy and I can hear them coming, they sound like a thunderous roar in my mind. They are very fast acting, their energy feels like pure evil and they can push, pull and alter your energy to attack physically. Very uncomfortable and intense, takes some time to recover, they could wear someone down very quickly. Then there’s the other shadow beings, humanoid shaped and slug shaped, I’ve seen them without incident.

Parasitic entities come in all shapes and sizes. My experience with a shadow being was that it was human and had been dead since the 1800's.
I've seen slime type parasites and walking stick insect like parasites but they were not shadow esque, they were just their own thing.
I only say this to stipulate that shadow creatures are always the absence of light, they are darker than dark they are literally the opposite of light.
I found an obscure reference one time, and I'm of the opinion it lent some insight into this situation.
There is a UFO contact book published by Wendelle Stevens that I aquirred rather serendipitously, it is called UFO CONTACT FROM IARGA, the story chronicals one Stefan Denaerde's personal interactions with beings from the planet IARGA. I personally believe in this man's account and that he met these folks.
These beings from Iarga explain to Stefan how they dare not sin against God by lying or stealing or any other petty wrong, because to do so makes you vulnerable to the attacks of evil non-living beings. These beings are of total darkness because they live in black holes and are of the same energy as black holes. They go on to say that what we consider to be Satan is a being who lives in black holes out in the Galaxy. And for the record these beings also believed in Christ and would not utter one world against the belief in Christ.

Posted by Rachel (here)
Orbs. All harmless so far in my experience. There’s little fluttery, translucent, white ones that can enter you, seemingly to communicate. Larger, coloured ones, more translucent in the day and opaque looking at night. I’ve seen white, amber and have photos of a soccer ball sized, violet one around my son. The photos were taken during mid afternoon and early evening, PM me if you’d like to see them, DNA. Also a sparkler looking orb and I’ve also interacted with one that looks like a star (shot the amber orb out across the sky in response to me communicating with it).

I've never had experience with anything I would consider an Orb. Sure thing about seeing them, I would love to.
When trying to photograph ghosts, I would often get orbs, but I've never seen what I would consider an Orb with my naked eyes.

Posted by Rachel (here)
Demonic, often invisible but sometimes visible. Shape-shifters, can appear as objects, humans (seen one that looked horribly burned), cats. Harmful, they attack psychically but mostly physically with me, like the formless shadow beings but attack body rather than energy. They attach and influence people (very scary situation when I spotted one in someone close to me once). They have attempted to sexually assault, physically harm, taunt, and corrupt (know mind intimately, set traps and try trip you up).

I've never seen anything like this, I have no data here to correlate for you.

Posted by Rachel (here)
ETs, I once saw a Grey face to face, in my mind’s eye after I asked to see, so it wasn’t here physically, rather it showed itself to me, very vivid and very cool, I just stared at it. I couldn’t get a good look at it but woke up to a being beside my bed this past year that had the weirdest energy, really weird, alien feeling, seemed physical, was visible but it was dark and when I tried to get a good look at it it threw sparkly, bright, white light in my eyes, which made my physical body fall unconscious.

I sometimes wonder if Lou Baldin's take on the UFO situation isn't correct.
Lou states that we have all been under the care of Grey type aliens based on the moon, these having intimate relations with all of us since our infancy.
Lou's opinions and writings seriously influenced John Lear who agrees 100% with Lou.
I've had a few Grey type interactions, one from when I was 17 and one when I was 20.
I knew nothing of Greys at these times.
When I was seventeen I had a grey type abduction scenario on a camping trip. At the age of 20 I awoke not fully in my body and there was a translusent ghost like Grey in my room standing at the door way looking at me.
I signaled to the Grey that I could see him but I had very little motor function, the grey shook his head in affirmation and understanding and looked to casually leave the room, only to return and poke his head around the door frame looking in the through the door again at me. I again freaked out pointing with my out stretched hand and creaking out that I could "see him".
I remember my thinking at the time when this was going on. While telling him I could see him, what I was really saying was "you are not supposed to let me see you" and that "we have an agreement" and he knowingly nodded his head as if understanding this "deal" or "contract" that we had, he even seemed to put up his hands and show me his palms as if to say "it's okay, it's okay, don't worry I know the terms and I'm leaving".
Honestly in retrospect he seemed to want to look in on me and make sure my astral spirit aligned like it was supposed to with my body.
But those are my only two Grey interactions I can recall.
My having a few and the one you describe to make me wonder if Lou isn't correct in what he is saying.

Posted by Rachel (here)
My son had encounters he told me about when he was little (they gently made themselves known to me, also asked my son to pass on messages to me, pretty personal though). I saw a crescent shaped light ship once, really neat.

That would be pretty cool. The ship, I have to be honest I don't know what I would do if my daughter game me messages from UFO's. I have no idea how that would affect me.

Posted by Rachel (here)
Ghosts, you know about them. I don’t know how many ghosts we’ve seen, neither my son or I can tell them apart from the living unless they do something like walk through a wall,

We are not seeing the same thing, and if we are, we are not using the same organ of perception.
I'm talking about discarnate earthbound souls. These things can range from reddish globs of energy moving around to the head and upper torsos of people, facial features are never entirely discernable, the one thing that is always constant is that I see a red dot in the middle of the ghost's head. Since the head is translucent I can see the red dot even though it is in the middle of where their brain would be, pretty much where the pineal gland is.
I've never seen a discarnate entity I could mistake for a living person.
Is it possible you are seeing ghosts that have already passed on to the other side, and from the place they are using a type of telepathy to produce said image in you? Or are they making a special trip back just for you?

Posted by Rachel (here)
or, in my son’s case, he can tell if he’s familiar with them. They can be a lot of fun. A ghost that appears as a medieval knight has visited my son a few times. One day in primary school they had a medieval themed day with displays of various medieval objects. My son was standing in front of a suit or armour, admiring it, when it suddenly moved and said, “boo!”, it was his knight friend playing a joke on him.

Ghosts don't play.
They just don't. Ghosts are hungry energetic entities.
And they can't hold a physical form that is indistinguishable from the living. If they could we would all be screwed.
Is it possible you are using the term loosely and this is some kind of angelic being or beings?

Posted by Rachel (here)
Then there’s other random beings, like gremlin looking things and the Grim Reaper (son saw him in the mirror), also the Hat Man but he’s just been in dreams.

Gremlin looking things could fit into "nature spirit" type beings, I've never seen a Grim Reaper. I've never seen a hat man either.
A buddy of mine saw a hat man ghost when we were teens, as an adult it fascinated me that this was a thing.

Posted by Rachel (here)
One of the methods I use to communicate with guides is a somewhat controversial method, so I don’t usually talk about that, definitely not publicly, but they're various types too.

I would love to hear it, privately if not publicly. I've discussed my techniques for this, especially on the "how to see a ghost" thread.

Posted by Rachel (here)
That’s about all the types I can recall coming across.

Our personal experiences have over lapping areas and of course we have areas that are quite separate and seemingly not in contact with one another.
Very cool to hear your experiences and be allowed the chance to try and correlate personal experience with the.
Thank you

Posted by Rachel (here)
I don’t know much about nature spirit beings, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one. I never saw Mr Nobody, my son could but never could see his real face. According to my son it was a demon.

My daughter's imaginary friend started on a strange day.
My wife and daughter were in our apartment when we still lived in Phoenix. My wife heard a car skid and then hit something rather loudly, she went outside to investigate and it was our next door neighbor, he had just been hit and killed by a speeding pick up truck.
My daughter had just turned three at the time, she told my wife that a man had come into the house with blood on his face and that he was going to be all right. My wife was convinced that my daughter had seen the deceased neighbors ghost.
I might also mention that it was from this day on that my daughter had her imaginary friend.
I will still add to this that I've never noticed a ghost type presence in the house associated with our daughter's friend.

Posted by Rachel (here)
My question to you is about how you can tell ghosts from the living? I've noticed they didn't make any sound as they walked when realising they were ghosts but that's all I can tell. Do you have any more tells? I've considered just going up to them and touching them but that may not end well if one turns out to be an incarnate human.

I think I have covered this in the thread.
I will state, I have had some pretty good confirmation what I'm viewing are ghosts.
I've helped them cross over to the other side.
I've also had a message sent to me that included a picture quality image of the deceased face, only to see that face in the obituaries the next day.
Thanks again.
Take care.

[findingneo]

Hi Rachel, I have only just seen your message to me. I don't recall seeing him talk about what actually happens when there is a tear, as in, no details were given, I don't think. If it is ok with you, I can just ask him and he will answer if you like. It is a really good question.

When I was doing sky watches, 4 times the whole sky lit up like lightening I suppose you could say. There was not a cloud in the sky every time. Once, I was with my cousin, a very, very non believer in anything woo woo, when it happened. I just happened to be looking at her and she at me at the moment the sky lit up, so we got a 360 view of the sky light up from the ground up for a fraction of a second. When it happened where I lived, I thought it something to do with a nearby stadium, or something, but then it happened in a remote region 1000 kms from where I usually did it with my cuz, and it was 360 degrees around the horizon, and she had lived there for 40 years and had never seen it. I wondered if it was a portal opening perhaps. There is no intensity of light in one area, it was just all over like a light bulb went on and off for a split second, but the main intensity was at the horizon right around. If you blinked you would have missed it. Only happened during a CE5. Always was alone doing it except that once when it happened with cuz. I stopped doing it because I don't really know what is going on. Only person who said it happened to them was James G. He thought it was a craft coming through I think he said, to say hello. Perhaps, but I don't know. John would just tell me to be careful re that. Seeing as we don't know enough about them. Even though there was no associated paranormal activity as relates to often negative stuff.

Anyway, want me to ask him? (No wonder you have so much activity around you and your son). BTW, does it only happen where you currently live, or has it been wherever you go to live? Easily fixed if it relates to just the house? I talked to someone at a Christmas dinner who bought a property in the bush, did not know of the dark stuff that had happened in the past, built a house with convict bricks and all hell broke loose. The bricks were haunted, and basically when it was brought over an already active site, things went haywire. It pumped up the volume. He sold all his (dense BTW DNA) belongings that were heritage, and haunted, and his convict brick home, and bought a house made of steel and everything new. In that case, it was the place that was haunted. Things seemed to be able to manifest over that site that would usually go undetected. Moving away did the trick.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by DNA (here)
I'm of a strong opinion that the types that leave scratches are reptilian and they abduct everyone within the confines of where their technology is being employed to incite an abduction. If you are driving to the grocery store why pick up just milk when you can get eggs, bread and butter at the same time?
In short it makes no sense that this is an isolated for your son, and that you are not experiencing this as well.
Everyone in the house would be getting abducted if this was a reptilian visitation in my opinion.

Interesting...and good news. Well there's likely more than one way you can end up with scratches but it's an isolated incident so no biggie anyway.

I'm not a one size fits all kind of guy. I believe each of these types of phenomenon is separate and should be identified specifically for what it is.

Well I'm just not that good, it'll do me.

I've never had experience with anything I would consider an Orb. Sure thing about seeing them, I would love to.
When trying to photograph ghosts, I would often get orbs, but I've never seen what I would consider an Orb with my naked eyes.

I didn't see the violet one with the naked eye, didn't notice it until it was later on and it showed up much brighter. The white and amber ones were perfectly round (violet one more like a plasma ball compared to those, not perfectly round and different texture). If the ones you've photographed are smaller, translucent looking ones, then those ones you can see with your naked eye if you want to try it, they just move really quickly and aren't as opaque so they're not as easy to notice with the naked eye.

I've never seen anything like this, I have no data here to correlate for you.

Excellent!

When I was seventeen I had a grey type abduction scenario on a camping trip. At the age of 20 I awoke not fully in my body and there was a translusent ghost like Grey in my room standing at the door way looking at me.
I signaled to the Grey that I could see him but I had very little motor function, the grey shook his head in affirmation and understanding and looked to casually leave the room, only to return and poke his head around the door frame looking in the through the door again at me. I again freaked out pointing with my out stretched hand and creaking out that I could "see him".
I remember my thinking at the time when this was going on. While telling him I could see him, what I was really saying was "you are not supposed to let me see you" and that "we have an agreement" and he knowingly nodded his head as if understanding this "deal" or "contract" that we had, he even seemed to put up his hands and show me his palms as if to say "it's okay, it's okay, don't worry I know the terms and I'm leaving".
Honestly in retrospect he seemed to want to look in on me and make sure my astral spirit aligned like it was supposed to with my body.
But those are my only two Grey interactions I can recall.
My having a few and the one you describe to make me wonder if Lou isn't correct in what he is saying.

Wow, how interesting!

When I asked to see the one I saw I had asked to see one that's us from a future timeline (hopefully not the one we're on). No idea if that has anything to do with what you're referring to, there's supposed to be different types.

That would be pretty cool. The ship, I have to be honest I don't know what I would do if my daughter game me messages from UFO's. I have no idea how that would affect me.

I didn't understand the messages until much later, otherwise it would probably have freaked me out at the time.

We are not seeing the same thing, and if we are, we are not using the same organ of perception.
I'm talking about discarnate earthbound souls. These things can range from reddish globs of energy moving around to the head and upper torsos of people, facial features are never entirely discernable, the one thing that is always constant is that I see a red dot in the middle of the ghost's head. Since the head is translucent I can see the red dot even though it is in the middle of where their brain would be, pretty much where the pineal gland is.
I've never seen a discarnate entity I could mistake for a living person.
Is it possible you are seeing ghosts that have already passed on to the other side, and from the place they are using a type of telepathy to produce said image in you? Or are they making a special trip back just for you?

OK, that's way different to what I've seen. Yeah, a couple were visiting me, so I knew they were 'ghosts' at the time but others seemed to be just passing through, but they all look like normal living people to me.

Ghosts don't play.
They just don't. Ghosts are hungry energetic entities.
And they can't hold a physical form that is indistinguishable from the living. If they could we would all be screwed.
Is it possible you are using the term loosely and this is some kind of angelic being or beings?

OK. Well yeah, two of them I know for certain were discarnate humans, the others I'd assumed were the same. Others could well be other beings, no idea what they are then though, maybe from a parallel reality or something, had some strange experiences of that nature.

Our personal experiences have over lapping areas and of course we have areas that are quite separate and seemingly not in contact with one another.
Very cool to hear your experiences and be allowed the chance to try and correlate personal experience with the.
Thank you

Same, thank you.

I think I have covered this in the thread.
I will state, I have had some pretty good confirmation what I'm viewing are ghosts.
I've helped them cross over to the other side.
I've also had a message sent to me that included a picture quality image of the deceased face, only to see that face in the obituaries the next day.

I don't doubt the above at all, you say they're ghosts, that's good enough for me.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Hi Rachel, I have only just seen your message to me. I don't recall seeing him talk about what actually happens when there is a tear, as in, no details were given, I don't think. If it is ok with you, I can just ask him and he will answer if you like. It is a really good question.

When I was doing sky watches, 4 times the whole sky lit up like lightening I suppose you could say. There was not a cloud in the sky every time. Once, I was with my cousin, a very, very non believer in anything woo woo, when it happened. I just happened to be looking at her and she at me at the moment the sky lit up, so we got a 360 view of the sky light up from the ground up for a fraction of a second. When it happened where I lived, I thought it something to do with a nearby stadium, or something, but then it happened in a remote region 1000 kms from where I usually did it with my cuz, and it was 360 degrees around the horizon, and she had lived there for 40 years and had never seen it. I wondered if it was a portal opening perhaps. There is no intensity of light in one area, it was just all over like a light bulb went on and off for a split second, but the main intensity was at the horizon right around. If you blinked you would have missed it. Only happened during a CE5. Always was alone doing it except that once when it happened with cuz. I stopped doing it because I don't really know what is going on. Only person who said it happened to them was James G. He thought it was a craft coming through I think he said, to say hello. Perhaps, but I don't know. John would just tell me to be careful re that. Seeing as we don't know enough about them. Even though there was no associated paranormal activity as relates to often negative stuff.

Anyway, want me to ask him? (No wonder you have so much activity around you and your son). BTW, does it only happen where you currently live, or has it been wherever you go to live? Easily fixed if it relates to just the house? I talked to someone at a Christmas dinner who bought a property in the bush, did not know of the dark stuff that had happened in the past, built a house with convict bricks and all hell broke loose. The bricks were haunted, and basically when it was brought over an already active site, things went haywire. It pumped up the volume. He sold all his (dense BTW DNA) belongings that were heritage, and haunted, and his convict brick home, and bought a house made of steel and everything new. In that case, it was the place that was haunted. Things seemed to be able to manifest over that site that would usually go undetected. Moving away did the trick.

Yes, that would be fantastic, thank you! Well since you're asking, I'll add a couple of small details I didn't include. It was completely silent and the widest part was in the middle and it tapered off as it extended to each end. I've also seen the bright flashes in the sky, also silent. One other time there was a really loud bang (sounded like a bomb went off) followed by a flash of light in the sky too, saw on YT in one of those "strange sounds in the sky" videos that others have heard that too, it didn't mention the light but they heard it in the day and could have missed the flash, I had heard it in the middle of the night.

No, it doesn't matter where we live, it's been around consistently since my son was born. He has a lot more fun and helpful experiences though and he's never told me about getting attacked the same way I do (another reason I initially asked about the scratches). The attacks with me are more recent, mostly in the past four years but, as I've mentioned, that seems to correlate somewhat with whatever I'm working on/exploring. So I think it's us but for different reasons and he may have activated me more because the same thing happened since I met my bf, ED stuff increased since then too.

[Mike]

When i was 11 or 12 i had this very real seeming dream that I was in our family station wagon, on a vacation, sunny day, driving along on a highway lined with trees...with the sun flickering thru them as we sped past it all.

Then it got eerily quiet. I noticed all my family members were erect postured and stoic, staring straight forward. Blank, inscrutable faces. Then, one by one, starting with my Dad and Mom, they all began to disappear. I watched this helplessly, horrified. And when it got to me, I woke up.

Just another dream, right?

Maybe few years later, my younger sister *related the exact same dream to me* , right down to the tiny details. Cue the creepy music. I never told anyone about that dream. It scared the sh!t outta me. So there's no way she was repeating my experience back to me. She had the same damn dream. What are the chances?

I believe it was an abduction experience.

Hey is this post relevant here? I notice the thread title, but I've only read the last page or so, and I don't see anything about dates and just a little about abductions. LOL. This thread is super intriguing, and I think I'd pay to watch Marcus and Rachel dialogue here for a few more pages

[petra]

Posted by DNA (here)
Sorry about my quoted words there.
I was more or less responding to an attack on this thread and those words do not help anyone.
I may edit my post and erase that.
I certainly don't want you to feel it was directed at you and I wouldn't want anyone to think that as well.

That's OK, really. I just ignored the little bit about not believing people. I get where you're coming from. In my own head, "the more truth you tell, the more people think you're lying", and that's my cynicism talking

Posted by DNA (here)
I don't care how old a thread is I've started, I would like to think I will always answer questions to folks who seem to be seeking them and this is especially so on a thread I've started. Not that I may have the answers, but that I will attempt to dialogue with you in the hopes that something valuable is gleaned by both parties.

Well some times we might be reading a new thread that links to an old one, that's how I ended up there. There's probably answers all over this forum which I just have not found yet.

Posted by DNA (here)
When you say "indirectly destroyed that man's life" do you mean it had to do with abductions? And if so what exactly happened that would make you come to this conclusion?

I think it's abduction related due to the creepy vibe throughout the whole ordeal, I only saw that in hindsight though. I was the "other woman" so to speak, and he was "cheating" on her with ME. Looking back, I really don't know what I could have been thinking. Won't be making that mistake again. The best way to describe is that I felt "compelled". It was like... I wanted to.... but I just was not sure why.

In hindsight I noticed a lot more. He seemed really afraid a lot, like someone was following him. The day I saw the scratches, he called me to come over. When I got to his house, the police were already on the way. Apparently he had stabbed someone a little while earlier, but he didn't recall doing it. She had called the police, and I waited with him until the police showed up. He was intoxicated. That's when they took him to jail. It was all very confusing and I felt kind of like I was living inside a bad movie.

Following that there was another period I visited him in jail, and we spoke on the phone as much as he was allowed. I didn't have a car at the time so I walked miles and miles back and forth from that jail, and somehow never seemed to get tired.

Posted by DNA (here)
The scratches are indeed a troublesome reminder. I often wonder why they are left. Are these beings truly this careless? Or do they intentionally do this.
Regardless, it would seem that they could be more careful for it surely is not something folks wish to see.
Sorry about taking so long to reply. Life happens.
Take care

In my case it seemed manipulative, like I was "supposed to think" the marks came from sex. Maybe they did - heck I don't know - I didn't ask. I think along the same line as you - if those things are SO advanced and good at keeping secrets, then why are people finding scars and bruising. It does not make sense.

I can only check the forum every few days so no apology necessary, that's part of the beauty of having an online forum

[findingneo]

Hi Petra, I am back here because I went on a wee wander while Rachel and DNA were having an in depth discussion. I should perhaps have been sending a message to someone for Rachel, but I like to write when I feel in the right headspace, so I went to check the forum for new posts. Your post in the last 24 hours or so brought my attention to the Tom Montalk thread, and I had a browse. I do think Tom's and Barbara's information is very relevant to lots of things regarding the ET presence, but I suppose because they don't surface much in threads, I forget about them. So I listened to one (just past way through and had to share, before I forgot where it was) the Tom Montalk video brought to my attention from your comment on there. By chance, at 22.32 the subject of earths "elements" are spoken about by the host of the show, as to their, for the larger part, unknown importance. Then at 24.00, Tom starts to talk about them and mentions why "Iron" is important. That is a wee answer for you DNA. Tom mentions "magnetism", and I mentioned "electro magnetic". When I looked up the difference, to my very rudimentary mind when it comes to science, I likened the difference between the two, as one having an electric supply (no wires necessarily needed) and the other, the magnet, is more like a battery. Anyway, I have learned that if I have times when I want to diverge to other areas, the answer just presents itself. So here is the video I am talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-plWU2lcTA

Petra, when I think about how the planetary manipulation of the past, translates to now, I think that maybe you are giving an example. First of all, I have talked to Truman Cash about the relevance of scratches on one of the threads. He says it is Grey ET's. Can happen when you are fighting back I think it was. They apparently have claws. I saw this trailer a week or so ago, brings this to mind although I don't know that storyline, just the claws brings that to mind. At 1.44 to 1.45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HTByz4RlqI

I don't intend to scare. Goodness knows how many it goes on with. If things start getting yuck around me, I go to someone who is adept, or appears to be adept, in spirit release. Might be a few Clingons. Not the star trek type, although they by chance have some similar characteristics.

The mention of orbs in other posts, are apparently, what might be considered ET's, or, they are ghosts.

[DNA]

Posted by petra (here)
That's OK, really. I just ignored the little bit about not believing people. I get where you're coming from. In my own head, "the more truth you tell, the more people think you're lying", and that's my cynicism talking

When it comes to abductions there is a bottom line and that is we dare not trust the memory of the experience. This is contrary to everything we've been taught about how our world works, but there you go.
I had a series of intense interactions that lasted for about a year and a half. I'm loath to tell the tale because I can't 100% tell you what happened is as I would recall it. The beings I interacted with purposefully would not commit in terms of explaining exactly who they were and if they were benign or malign. They chastized me constantly in the beginning for thinking they were angelic and they threatened to terminate ALL interactions unless I approached the situation as an autonomous being fully scrutinizing the situation. I wanted desperately for them to remove all suspicions and tell me they were "good" guys, but they refused to do this and further more they stated that I needed to be vigilant and on guard, I always needed to trust my instincts and look at them as no better or more knowing than myself.
So there you go when it comes to trusting testimony from abductees or those claiming interactions.
Another reason this whole thing is difficult to present in terms of everyday story telling is this.
Non-human types or rather folks not from earth but intelligent are not tethered and tied with energetic organs being unused and or cut off.
In order to interrelate with these folks you almost always have to activate states of consciousness and understanding that are dormant in our day to day life.
This seems so Universal that I do think Earth has a consciousness roof being applied to intelligent life.
I don't know about the Earth being a prison planet, but we do seem to be under guard in so far as our consciousness is concerned.
It's kind of like that age old addage, "if I have to explain it to you, you will never know what I'm talking about".
My interactions never would have happened without my having applied the Castaneda teachings to my life and having been immersed in them when the oppurtunity for interaction presented itself.

Posted by petra (here)
I think it's abduction related due to the creepy vibe throughout the whole ordeal, I only saw that in hindsight though. I was the "other woman" so to speak, and he was "cheating" on her with ME. Looking back, I really don't know what I could have been thinking. Won't be making that mistake again. The best way to describe is that I felt "compelled". It was like... I wanted to.... but I just was not sure why.
In hindsight I noticed a lot more. He seemed really afraid a lot, like someone was following him. The day I saw the scratches, he called me to come over. When I got to his house, the police were already on the way. Apparently he had stabbed someone a little while earlier, but he didn't recall doing it. She had called the police, and I waited with him until the police showed up. He was intoxicated. That's when they took him to jail. It was all very confusing and I felt kind of like I was living inside a bad movie.

Wow!!!!
Did he stab a random person? Was his wife also cheating and he didn't think what was good for the goose was good for the gander?
Trials of the heart can do some very crazy things to people.
The emotions run higher than they do for anything else really.
Those emotions are high octane energy.

Posted by petra (here)
Following that there was another period I visited him in jail, and we spoke on the phone as much as he was allowed. I didn't have a car at the time so I walked miles and miles back and forth from that jail, and somehow never seemed to get tired.

How tough was the judge on him?
The stabbed person lived right?

Posted by petra (here)
In my case it seemed manipulative, like I was "supposed to think" the marks came from sex. Maybe they did - heck I don't know - I didn't ask. I think along the same line as you - if those things are SO advanced and good at keeping secrets, then why are people finding scars and bruising. It does not make sense.
I can only check the forum every few days so no apology necessary, that's part of the beauty of having an online forum

Indeed. I love the idea we can have these conversations and add to them when our lives allow us.
I've got to tell you, much of what you speak of sounds very much like what Eve Lorgen talks about in connection to the idea that it seems sometimes folks who are abducted are compelled to seek out and engage in relationships with folks that are also being abducted. I don't fully understand it but it seems the aliens get an energetic charge from the coupling or something. You should check out this writing by her.
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/v...lovebite01.htm
And here is her website. The Dark Side of Cupid, The Alien Love Bite http://evelorgen.com/wp/

[findingneo]

Radio host, James Bartley, also released a new interview with Eve Lorgen, yesterday.

[findingneo]

Ok, I have sent questions Rachel. Will be back when I have received an answer.

[petra]

Posted by DNA (here)
When it comes to abductions there is a bottom line and that is we dare not trust the memory of the experience. This is contrary to everything we've been taught about how our world works, but there you go.

Yes exactly, it all feels so manipulative too. Trying to reason things out just gets exhausting. I'm pretty certain those things are smarter than I am. Wouldn't be hard, really

Posted by DNA (here)
I had a series of intense interactions that lasted for about a year and a half. I'm loath to tell the tale because I can't 100% tell you what happened is as I would recall it. The beings I interacted with purposefully would not commit in terms of explaining exactly who they were and if they were benign or malign. They chastized me constantly in the beginning for thinking they were angelic and they threatened to terminate ALL interactions unless I approached the situation as an autonomous being fully scrutinizing the situation. I wanted desperately for them to remove all suspicions and tell me they were "good" guys, but they refused to do this and further more they stated that I needed to be vigilant and on guard, I always needed to trust my instincts and look at them as no better or more knowing than myself.
So there you go when it comes to trusting testimony from abductees or those claiming interactions.

The first part I can't relate with but the second I can. I think I'd trust people more than aliens or beings from another dimension when it really boils right down to it, but really my feelings are a big part of it too. No matter what I think logically, I don't think I'd be able to "go against my feelings". For example if something feels drastically wrong for no apparent reason (this has happened before) I am probably not going to do that thing.

Posted by DNA (here)
Another reason this whole thing is difficult to present in terms of everyday story telling is this.
Non-human types or rather folks not from earth but intelligent are not tethered and tied with energetic organs being unused and or cut off.
In order to interrelate with these folks you almost always have to activate states of consciousness and understanding that are dormant in our day to day life.
This seems so Universal that I do think Earth has a consciousness roof being applied to intelligent life.

I read this over and over and it's difficult to grasp. I can only think in terms of myself, and how my perception changed. You use words like "activate" and "cut off". That's what it felt like, also a bit like "unlocking" so to speak. The best way I can describe is going to sound kind of sci fi, I get what you're saying about story telling too.

It feels like I came from another version of earth. On the version of earth I came from, there's no such thing as alien abductions. At some point in time after reading part way through montalk.net I got inexplicably teleported to a different earth. It looks just like the first one, with only a few differences in my memory which only I was aware of. This new earth has some really bad crap in it, but also some nice stuff too. One of the best things about this place is that people are paying attention!!!

Looking back on it now I think I was just blind to some things mentally speaking. It's ironic too because it's the exact thing I was getting mad about.... blindness. "Why is everyone so BLIND? GRRR!" kind of thing.

Posted by DNA (here)
It's kind of like that age old addage, "if I have to explain it to you, you will never know what I'm talking about".

That little statement is kind of maddening LOL! I kind of get it though - sometimes there just aren't words to describe. It's coming back to what people call "common sense" I think, because what is common sense really. I think common sense is kind of like "knowing something without understanding why".

As for "prison planet", sometimes I think of it more like "quarantine planet" or "garbage island"... but it does honestly feel like a bit of a prison sometimes. Certainly more so than a school.

Posted by DNA (here)
Did he stab a random person? Was his wife also cheating and he didn't think what was good for the goose was good for the gander?
Trials of the heart can do some very crazy things to people.
The emotions run higher than they do for anything else really.
Those emotions are high octane energy.

He stabbed his girlfriend. I thought they were married at first but it turned out they weren't, and for what ever reason I got involved. He may or may not have stabbed her, and I have 0 intuition one way or the other. She says he did it. I'm suspicious of both of them!!

Posted by DNA (here)
How tough was the judge on him?
The stabbed person lived right?

No judge. He was already on probation for something related to being drunk. I guess where I live... when you're on probation here and get accused of something... you Go Directly to Jail. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200"

She was OK. I hate to say this but I even wonder if she could have done it to her self. People can get so crazy sometimes like you just said! I'm certainly guilty of going a bit crazy a few times - didn't stab anything but I crashed my boyfriends car into a snow bank. Some people saw me do it and came over to check if I was OK! I said "I'm fine, I'm just really really mad" LOL

Posted by DNA (here)
I've got to tell you, much of what you speak of sounds very much like what Eve Lorgen talks about in connection to the idea that it seems sometimes folks who are abducted are compelled to seek out and engage in relationships with folks that are also being abducted. I don't fully understand it but it seems the aliens get an energetic charge from the coupling or something. You should check out this writing by her.

I came across this already when reading Tom Montalk's book titled Fringe Knowledge for Beginners. What a mind trip! It says BEGINNER! I think it should say BEWARE lol... but I'm cool with it really because it helped me I've thought of writing Eve Lorgen practically right away but I'm concerned I won't be able to convey myself properly, or worst case get misunderstood or end up offending someone. I see parallels, but I also see huge differences with my situation so I just think it's best to do my research first. Life happens though too, and often times it feels "synchronistic". I noticed Eve posted an article "The New Predator" which I tried to read for about a week but kept getting distracted by this or that. I had some high expectations for that article but it didn't shed any more light on my situation... that's just "The Same Predator" to me, nothing new there.

[petra]

Hi findingneo, I'm having a bit of a case of tunnel vision here sorry, just noticing your post now! I've got the quote notifications on just subscribing to particular threads is something I need to work on, there's just such an abundance of info around! Talk about blindness...geez.

Now I'm embarrassed for having missed it somehow! I was really caught up in replying to DNA's posting.

Posted by findingneo (here)
By chance, at 22.32 the subject of earths "elements" are spoken about by the host of the show, as to their, for the larger part, unknown importance. Then at 24.00, Tom starts to talk about them and mentions why "Iron" is important. That is a wee answer for you DNA. Tom mentions "magnetism", and I mentioned "electro magnetic". When I looked up the difference, to my very rudimentary mind when it comes to science, I likened the difference between the two, as one having an electric supply (no wires necessarily needed) and the other, the magnet, is more like a battery. Anyway, I have learned that if I have times when I want to diverge to other areas, the answer just presents itself. So here is the video I am talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-plWU2lcTA

I'm low on iron, I know I am. That was the only thing the doctor told me at my last checkup.... quite awhile ago. I stopped taking the capsules because they're huge, if I can start taking them again I'll pay close attention to the results.

Tom's advised me to eat more nutritiously too. A lot of weird things do seem to happen when I am hungry or tired, he really hit the nail on the head. I can't quite seem to it but I'm slowly getting there, for some reason eating is terribly offputting! I've thought of trying to trick myself into wanting to eat, but really that's kind of ridiculous. Brainwash myself into eating food... hard not to roll my eyes

I don't feel in any danger right now so I am taking things slow. Videos are difficult but doable, I think TV is offputting me a bit too - the only time I ever look at it is when I'm with someone else who is watching TV. I learned about vitamin B6 to help remember dreams from Tom, I ran right out and bought those as soon as he mentioned it. But now I've stopped taking those too.

Posted by findingneo (here)
Petra, when I think about how the planetary manipulation of the past, translates to now, I think that maybe you are giving an example. First of all, I have talked to Truman Cash about the relevance of scratches on one of the threads. He says it is Grey ET's. Can happen when you are fighting back I think it was. They apparently have claws. I saw this trailer a week or so ago, brings this to mind although I don't know that storyline, just the claws brings that to mind. At 1.44 to 1.45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HTByz4RlqI

I don't intend to scare. Goodness knows how many it goes on with. If things start getting yuck around me, I go to someone who is adept, or appears to be adept, in spirit release. Might be a few Clingons. Not the star trek type, although they by chance have some similar characteristics.

The mention of orbs in other posts, are apparently, what might be considered ET's, or, they are ghosts.

I have a vague memory of actually being a little gray alien surrounded by a whole bunch more of them... but I feel like it's most likely a sack of baloney. As for the grey aliens in general, since I am so new to it all I kind of feel sorry for them. From what I read so far it sounds like they really got the crappy end of the stick.

I think I've already been scared as much as possible... I don't scare so easy any more! Although I still am terrified of spiders!

"Getting yuck" made me laugh, yes really the thought of having things IN me is pretty gross. There was a time a while back, my thoughts got stuck in a loop, I remember it vividly. It was like "Gross!" "I Know!" "Gross!" "I Know" ad nauseum. Irony? Maybe. Innuendo? Maybe that too!

Attachments is something else entirely I think. I do have a problem (phobia?) with "bugs" though and so I suppose that could be why "astral bugs" is offputting too. I tried to read a bit about it and my thoughts yelled "Don't read that!" so that put me off too. Not that I feel as if I have to do what I'm told... I just don't want to read about disgusting things. The thought of being full of invisible bugs is pretty disgusting, so maybe I'd rather not know if I am "full of bugs".

[findingneo]

Hi Petra, no probs about the delay in a response, it is easy to lose track, and it happens with everyone I expect. I think we have a couple of wires crossed so I will come back to detangle later. I did not realize you were a newb, so I will explain better then. Very interesting what Tom said. I will keep a mental note on his suggestions. Have a great day.

Rachel, John said entities coming through whether you saw them or not in those tears. Also ( I asked a few more questions), I asked about how to stop abductions. He said the tried and tested methods that I mentioned, using the name of "Jesus" in your defence ("In the name of Jesus, get away from me" worked well in an astral attack for me by something else, just keep yelling it and any variation you come up with), and iron under the bed. I had asked about these two and he agreed they were the ones to use. I have now asked, why your son attracted the paranormal activity. I am guessing it is because he is psychic in that he can see and detect ghosts. They are attracted to that, but I will check. I will ask how to evict them. Hope that helps. P.S., the bigger the iron, the better from what I gather.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by findingneo (here)
Rachel, John said entities coming through whether you saw them or not in those tears. Also ( I asked a few more questions), I asked about how to stop abductions. He said the tried and tested methods that I mentioned, using the name of "Jesus" in your defence ("In the name of Jesus, get away from me" worked well in an astral attack for me by something else, just keep yelling it and any variation you come up with), and iron under the bed. I had asked about these two and he agreed they were the ones to use. I have now asked, why your son attracted the paranormal activity. I am guessing it is because he is psychic in that he can see and detect ghosts. They are attracted to that, but I will check. I will ask how to evict them. Hope that helps. P.S., the bigger the iron, the better from what I gather.

I didn't see any entities come through it but I had figured they had anyway, confirmation is good. Did he say anything about what the white light is? That's the bit that got my heart really racing as it happened, it looked so powerful it seemed as if it could rip me apart if it had happened in the same spot I was in. I'm not at all concerned that will happen but it'll definitely keep me from walking through it myself if it happens again (I can be a bit of a maverick at times), I'm just curious about what that is due to the sheer power of it. No need to ask if you already did and he didn't mention it though.

Yes, that's all helpful to know, TYVM.

[findingneo]

Nope Rachel, he did not comment on that bit. I would not like you to test out what happens if you walk in front of it, lol, will say what might be good to prevent it anyway a bit later.

Thank you Linda Moulton Howe for a timely example of the sky lighting up with no obvious focal point, as the second part, the road webcam shows. Except the ones I have seen during a Ce5 were much quicker. No flickering like the security cam in the first part, just a flash, seemingly brighter from the ground up. So is that kind of what you saw Rachel, outside? I could only play it twice as the video seemed to stick after that and I couldn't play it. Seems to be a good example, but much slower than what I saw. Here tis LMH's vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHMS...Gg3F7RVqVKau-6