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    Whatever we think about Trump, his agenda, who he owes his loyalties to, and whether he will get us all killed....

    It has to be recognised that He, his family, various military, security & politicians including Trey Gowdy, are currently tangling with a malign force that is ruthless and deadly. For that we all should be grateful.
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    ANTIQUITIES Act Protects National Monuments from Trump Administration’s Attempts to Roll Back Protections
    https://www.tomudall.senate.gov/news...ck-protections
    1/31/18
    Quote Bill reinforces that only Congress can alter national monuments; directs new resources to enhance existing monuments
    WASHINGTON — Today, U.S. Senator Tom Udall (D-N.M.) led a group of 18 Democratic senators in introducing legislation to enhance protections for national monuments against the Trump administration’s unprecedented attacks on public lands. The America’s Natural Treasures of Immeasurable Quality Unite, Inspire, and Together Improve the Economies of States (ANTIQUITIES) Act of 2018 reinforces Congress’ intent in the Antiquities Act of 1906: only Congress has the authority to modify a national monument designation.

    S. 2354, the ANTIQUITIES Act of 2018, protects and enhances national monuments in three main provisions:
    -It officially declares Congress’ support for the 51 national monuments established by presidents in both parties between January 1996 and April 2017 under their authority established by the Antiquities Act of 1906.
    -It reinforces that existing law clearly states that presidential proclamations designating national monuments are valid and cannot be reduced or diminished, except by an act of Congress.
    -It further enhances protections for the presidentially designated national monuments by 1) requiring that they be surveyed, mapped and that management plans be completed in two years—in the same manner as congressionally designated national monuments—and 2) that they receive additional resources to ensure that they will continue to meet their full potential of providing unmatched economic, recreational, and cultural benefits to their states and to the nation.

    A summary of the ANTIQUITIES Act of 2018 can be found here.

    The ANTIQUITIES Act comes in response to President Trump’s announcement that he will eliminate 2 million acres of protections for Utah’s Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments — the largest rollback of federally protected lands in American history. Trump took this action despite the fact that Americans across the country overwhelmingly voiced support for keeping the monuments intact. During the administration’s public comment process, over 99 percent of the 2.8 million comments received were in favor of maintaining existing protections for our national monuments.

    National monuments and America’s protected public lands help fuel an $887 billion outdoor recreation industry, which sustains 7.6 million jobs and creates $65.3 billion in federal tax revenue and $59.2 billion in local and state tax revenue.

    “President Trump’s unprecedented attack on public lands is not just an affront to the overwhelming majority of Americans who cherish these precious places — it’s also illegal. This legislation makes it crystal clear that monuments designated through the Antiquities Act of 1906 may not be altered by future presidents because only Congress has the authority to change a national monument designation,” Udall said. "From Rio Grande del Norte, to Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks, to Bears Ears and Grand Staircase, our national monuments enjoy broad support and provide unmatched economic, recreational, and cultural value to New Mexico and the nation. The ANTIQUITIES Act builds upon these existing protections, ensuring that we keep our public lands in public hands and stop the president’s politically motivated attempts to sell off our public lands to the highest-bidding special interests.”

    In addition to Udall, the ANTIQUITIES Act is cosponsored by U.S. Senators Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.), Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tina Smith (D-Minn.), and Michael Bennet (D-Colo.).

    In addition, the five Bears Ears Coalition Tribes (Hopi, Navajo, Ute, Ute Mountain Ute, and Zuni) support the ANTIQUITIES Act of 2018.

    “President Trump’s decision to dramatically shrink Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monuments in Utah puts the future of these treasures in jeopardy and threatens our culture, history, and heritage,” said Durbin. “The ANTIQUITIES Act protects our country’s unique public lands and reinforces the fact that no president has the authority to reduce or diminish national monuments designated by their predecessors. Our national monuments are for all of us – Americans and visitors alike – and we must ensure that they remain in their natural condition for current and future generations to enjoy.”

    “This critically urgent bill ensures that public lands and waters, from the Marine National Monument off the coast of New England, to Utah’s Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante, are protected for generations to come,” said Blumenthal. “President Trump’s reckless reduction of national monuments exposes our protected lands to environmental and economic destruction. This legislation will safeguard New England’s pristine marine monument from actions that would jeopardize scientific research, the health of our oceans, and Connecticut’s economy. It will also thwart the Trump Administration’s attempted sellout to industries that prioritize profit over environmental wellbeing.”

    “Iconic monuments like Oregon’s Cascade-Siskiyou earned their well-deserved designation after significant public process and with deep community support. The unilateral decision by the Trump administration to target these designations runs completely counter to the very idea of local input,” said Wyden. “This bill builds on the existing national monuments designations under attack by this administration and sends a very clear message to Secretary Zinke that local voices will not be ignored.”

    “The Trump administration has shown a blatant disregard for the Antiquities Act, which has protected so many iconic places that we all treasure and are integral parts of who we are as Americans,” said Heinrich. “The President’s unprecedented actions to drastically shrink Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monuments in southern Utah—and his looming threats to other national monuments like Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks and Rio Grande del Norte in New Mexico—tear at the heart of America’s conservation legacy and are a direct assault on sacred lands and tribal sovereignty. We must do everything we can to prevent the President from rolling back protections for the public lands we all own and love. Conserving our natural and cultural heritage for our children and all future generations of Americans is a moral responsibility.”

    “Congress passed the original Antiquities Act to give presidents the power to create, not tear down, national monuments,” said Feinstein. “In California, that power has helped protect millions of acres of iconic landscapes and historic landmarks. Our bill ensures that all monuments designated by previous administrations will continue to be protected, regardless of which party controls the White House.”

    “National monuments are part of who we are as a nation of good stewards and good citizens,” said Schatz. “They preserve our resources. They memorialize the people and places that are part of the American story. That’s why this legislation is so important, particularly as this administration tries to strip these treasures from the American public. This bill reasserts Congressional authority to protect our national monuments and preserve our history and natural resources for future generations.”

    “It is our duty to protect our national monuments from this Administration’s attempts to diminish and open them to drilling and logging,” said Harris. “This is about rejecting the false choice that you’re either in favor of the economy or you’re in favor of the environment. We can do both, while ensuring that our future generations have a chance to experience the beauty of our public lands and oceans, too.”

    “No president in history has called into question the legal validity of any national monument protected under the Antiquities Act until President Trump,” said Cortez Masto. “His unwelcome interference with the protection of our public lands shows blatant disregard for our natural history and ignorance to the economic benefits that national monuments bring to states like Nevada. I am proud to cosponsor a bill that protects presidential proclamations made under the Antiquities Act so that no one can jeopardize decades’ worth of conservation efforts.”

    “When the President and the Secretary of Interior abdicate their responsibility for protecting our public lands, it’s up to Congress to act,” said Hirono. “Monuments like the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument and Honouliuli National Monument were established after years of review, and the national monument designation assists efforts to combat climate change, preserves biodiversity, honors cultural traditions, and recognizes our nation’s history. Mahalo to Senator Udall for his leadership in upholding the Antiquities Act of 1906.”

    “The Trump administration’s reckless attack on the future of Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument’s irreplaceable biodiversity is legally dubious and unprecedented in American history,” Merkley said. “This legislation would protect Oregon’s national treasure and other public lands that are deeply cherished by the American people.”

    “Since its enactment, 16 presidents from both parties have utilized the authority of the Act to preserve and protect national monuments and neighboring lands, including the Fort McHenry National Monument and Historic Shrine in Baltimore City and the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad National Historical Park on Maryland’s Eastern Shore. Until now, no president has ordered such a broad ‘review’ of existing monuments. President Trump’s actions threaten our very national heritage,” said Cardin. “The unprecedented scale of the attacks comes as the Trump Administration pushes to expand extractive industries on public lands. Our public lands belong to us all. We are taking action to ensure they exist for generations.”

    “Over the past year, President Trump has willfully ignored the fact that our public lands belong to all of us," said Booker. "This bill is an important protection that will make it clear that President Trump does not have the authority to undo Antiquities Act protections put in place by past presidents for our shared national treasures."

    “Maryland has a rich heritage and is home to several national monuments like Fort McHenry and the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad. These sites provide important cultural, historical, and environmental lessons to people across our state,” said Van Hollen. “Never before have our national treasures been under such a direct threat – this Administration’s actions go against decades of precedent and respect surrounding the Antiquities Act. I’m proud to join Senator Udall in ensuring our national treasures remain protected and public, and I urge the Senate to take up this bill without delay.”

    “The designation of Bears Ears National Monument protected sacred land, gave local tribes a voice in its management, and reflected the wishes of communities whose cultures and economies are grounded in this area. The President’s attempt over the past year to remove protections for Bears Ears and other national monuments is unprecedented, and a shameful addition to our nation’s long and tragic history of broken promises to our tribes,” Bennet said. “With my colleagues, I will work to advance this bill to enhance protections for Bears Ears, Canyons of the Ancients, and other existing national monuments – putting an end to this administration’s continuous attempts to tear down our country’s legacy of protecting wild and sacred places.”

    “Patagonia is pleased that Senator Udall has harnessed the millions of Americans that support these special places in an effort to provide the ironclad protection they warrant. Patagonia knows that the spirit of conservation is alive and well and we salute Senator Udall’s leadership,” said Lisa Pike Sheehy, vice president of Environmental Activism for Patagonia. “Hundreds of businesses from the outdoor industry are in the support for keeping these lands open to all Americans, and we aren’t going away until they are protected.”

    “President Trump and Secretary Zinke are trying to sell out our public lands and waters—magnificent landscapes and sacred sites of historic significance—to the highest bidder,” said League of Conservation Voters Deputy Legislative Director Alex Taurel. “This bill echoes the millions of public comments in support of keeping existing protections in place and emphasizes that only Congress has the authority to diminish national monuments.”

    “This legislation reflects the views of the millions of Americans who opposed President Trump’s illegal and unprecedented assault on our national monuments and ensures the protection of these treasures for future generations,” said Sharon Buccino, director of Natural Resources Defense Council’s Public Lands Program. “It also recognizes the critical role of tribes in managing their ancestral lands.”

    “We thank Senator Udall and all those Senators who have taken a stand with millions of Americans who spoke up in support of our national monuments and the cultural, natural and historic wonders they protect,” said Dan Hartinger, National Monuments Campaign Director for the Wilderness Society. “President Trump’s elimination of over two million acres of national monuments last month was illegal and directly against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of Americans. Rather than unprecedented, misguided, and unpopular attacks on our national monuments and public lands, the ANTIQUITIES Act of 2018 recognizes that we should continue to protect these precious places for future generations.”

    "Our veterans sacrificed to defend the lands-of-the-free. There is no better representation of free lands, than our public lands,” said Garett Reppenhagen, an Iraq War veteran with Vet Voice Foundation. “In light of this unprecedented attack, this bill provides an added layer of insurance to ward off future attacks on national monuments and affirms the nation’s commitment to keeping public lands in public hands."

    “We are grateful to Senator Udall and the co-sponsors of this legislation for standing up to President Trump’s ongoing assault against America’s public lands,” said Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance Executive Director Scott Groene. “Trump’s illegal evisceration of Utah’s Bears Ears and Grand Staircase Escalante National Monuments will not withstand the scrutiny of either the courts or history, and we support this legislation as it would affirm the love Americans share for our Monuments and provide the funding needed to protect these lands.”
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    Trump Administration Announces Plans to Open Nearly All U.S. Waters to Offshore Drilling
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    Oceana Says Radical Offshore Drilling “Free-For-All” Ignores State and Local Opposition
    Thursday, January 4, 2018
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    Quote Today, the Trump administration announced its plans to open nearly all U.S. federal waters to offshore drilling activities. In a new draft five-year program (2019-2024) for oil and gas development on the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS), the Department of the Interior (DOI) outlined its plans to expand future oil and gas leasing to the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic oceans, as well as the eastern Gulf of Mexico. This is the largest number of potential offshore lease sales ever proposed.

    In response to the newly proposed plan, Oceana campaign director Diane Hoskins released the following statement:

    “This plan opens the floodgates to dirty and dangerous offshore drilling, threatening coastal economies that rely on clean and healthy oceans.

    This radical offshore drilling free-for-all is a clear example of politics over people, ignoring widespread local and state opposition. Consider the West Coast, where all three governors are adamantly opposed to expanded offshore drilling. Or the Atlantic, where over 140 East Coast municipalities have publicly opposed offshore drilling activities. Along Florida’s Gulf Coast, there is a moratorium on offshore drilling until June 30, 2022, and the Department of Defense (DOD) has made it clear they need uninhibited access to the area for training, free from oil and gas activities.

    Past attempts to drill in the remote and unforgiving Arctic waters resulted in the abandoned drill rig Kulluk grounded near Kodiak Island while the crew were hoisted to safety. There is still extreme weather, no way to clean up an oil spill in sea ice, and very limited infrastructure to deal with any kind of emergency.

    The Trump administration’s plan not only ignores the risky nature of dirty and dangerous drilling, but also the people and coastal businesses who would be most affected. The administration’s proposal would put large multi-national corporations ahead of coastal residents and healthy ocean-dependent economies.

    Americans have seen the devastation that comes from offshore drilling. Seven years after the BP Deepwater Horizon blowout, the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history, the Gulf is still recovering. Will we allow Florida’s white beaches or the popular and pristine Outer Banks to share a similar fate? What about the scenic Pacific coast or even remote Arctic waters?

    Giving the oil industry unfettered access to our nation’s oceans is a recipe for disaster. From ocean views scattered with drilling platforms, to the industrialization of our coastal communities, to the unacceptable risk of more BP Deepwater Horizon-like disasters – expanding offshore drilling to new areas threatens thriving coastal economies and already thriving industries like tourism, recreation and fishing that rely on healthy oceans. According to the National Ocean Economics Program’s 2016 report, in U.S. coastal states, 2.2 million American jobs and $108.37 billion in GDP depend on healthy ocean ecosystems.

    It’s time for Washington to listen to the communities that have the most to lose and nothing to gain from dirty and dangerous offshore drilling. Secretary Zinke needs to protect our coast, not sell it out to the highest bidder.”

    As of today, opposition and concern over offshore drilling activities includes:

    Governors of Florida, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, California, Oregon and Washington
    More than 150 East and West Coast municipalities
    Over 1,200 local, state and federal bipartisan officials
    An alliance representing over 41,000 businesses and 500,000 fishing families
    The North, South and Mid-Atlantic fishery management councils
    Commercial and recreational fishing interests such as the Southeastern Fisheries Association, Fisheries Survival Fund, Southern Shrimp Alliance, The Billfish Foundation and the International Game Fish Association
    California Fish and Game Commission, California Coastal Commission, California State Lands Commission and California Senate
    DOD and the Florida Defense Support Task Force
    Today’s draft plan is the result of President Trump’s April 28 executive order on offshore energy, which directed DOI to encourage offshore drilling. The public has 60-days to comment on the draft proposed program, which is the first of two opportunities for public comment on the plan.

    To learn more about Oceana’s campaign to stop the expansion of offshore drilling activities, please click here:
    http://usa.oceana.org/our-campaigns/...241.1515694791
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    Quote “President Trump’s decision to dramatically shrink Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monuments in Utah puts the future of these treasures in jeopardy and threatens our culture, history, and heritage,” said Durbin. “The ANTIQUITIES Act protects our country’s unique public lands and reinforces the fact that no president has the authority to reduce or diminish national monuments designated by their predecessors. Our national monuments are for all of us – Americans and visitors alike – and we must ensure that they remain in their natural condition for current and future generations to enjoy.”
    Yes Senator ‘Dicky’ Durbin reveals his alignment with ‘deep state’ and one world government. What people don’t understand, are your National Monuments are being given to the UNITED NATIONS via UNESCO, an extension of the policy and procedures of THE UNITED NATIONS, hence the uproar by individuals who are watching Trump dismantle their ‘plans’ for globalist rule. And 'Dicky' Durbin couldn't give two rips about the people 'enjoying' our land now or in the future. The point being... the Agenda 21 plan is to kick you off the land, permanently, hence in pure nut job fashion, what they say and what they mean are two different things. Please see underlined.


    “Americans may think we have complete sovereignty over National Parks, Monuments, and other places of historical or geographical value within our own borders. The truth is shocking. In 1972 the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) drew up a treaty called The Convention Concerning Protection of the World Cultural and Natural Heritage. UNESCO's official website says, "World Heritage sites belong to all the peoples of the world, irrespective of the territory on which they are located." Under Carter, Reagan, the first Bush, and Clinton, the following U.S. National and State Parks were put on the World Heritage list: Mesa Verde; Yellowstone; Everglades; Grand Canyon; Redwood;
    Mammoth Cave; Olympic; Great Smoky Mountains; Yosemite; Hawaii Volcanoes;
    Carlsbad Caverns; and Kluane/Wrangell-St.Elias/Glacier Bay/ Tatshenshini-Alsek. Also listed were these historic sites: Independence Hall; Statue of Liberty; Native American culture sites; Monticello and University of Virginia; Waterton Glacier International Peace Park.


    By signing onto UNESCO's Convention in 1973 under Nixon, the U.S. agreed to manage our parks according to standards set by UNESCO, giving up sovereignty over our territory and submitting to the U.N.'s agenda.”


    Source: http://www.appindie.org/index.php/ou...national-parks



    “During a meeting in 2009, Mr. Olabiyi Babalola Joseph Yai, Chair of UNESCO’s executive board, admitted the organization was created to “think global governance”

    Source: https://www.infowars.com/unesco-chai...al-governance/


    Thank goodness the UNITED STATES pulled out of UNESCO:

    "UNESCO has a dismal track record. It has advanced the agendas of numerous dictatorships, indulged in virulent anti-Israel bias and offered textbook lessons in bad management."

    Trump Is Right The US Should Leave UNESCO
    Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5fc3cc405efe
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    Onawah,

    The really appalling thing about environmental deregulation is the fact that so many people feel it will provide jobs that pay well. Amd initially, they are correct, but in the long run, not that many. It will benefit those who are already rich.

    At the same time, as I have mentioned, I live in a place where environmental issues provoke hysteria in some people and you can't get past that to persuade them that not all environmental regulations make sense.

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    These will be hard lessons for many to learn, on both sides of the political/economic divide.
    What is concerning me a lot currently is the prevailing lack of awareness about the relation between fracking and offshore drilling, and the increasing rates of earthquake and volcanic activity. One only has to tune in to a few of Dutchsinse's latest reports ( see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...76#post1205576 ) ...to see these are not minor issues, and are becoming more serious by the day.
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    Onawah,

    The really appalling thing about environmental deregulation is the fact that so many people feel it will provide jobs that pay well. Amd initially, they are correct, but in the long run, not that many. It will benefit those who are already rich.

    At the same time, as I have mentioned, I live in a place where environmental issues provoke hysteria in some people and you can't get past that to persuade them that not all environmental regulations make sense.
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    What To Expect In 2018 - With Special Guest Gerald Celente
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    Thanks for link, Onawah. I listened to this one a while back, I think. I LOVE Celente. I still haven't listened to the one you posted the other day. Just too distracted.

    As far as declaring different areas world heritage sites with the mandate of protecting them for everybody, I don't see the harm. Some global ventures go too far and undercut national governments in ways they shouldn't. But I see nothing in one of the above post that would scare me much. There is rampant hysteria on both sides of the environmental "globalist agenda" divide, that has to be taken down a notch.

    I believe the definition of a populist leader is one who appeals to the animal spirits in a large segment of the population (usually with reason and way past due, in many regards) What ends up happening, (Arab Spring, Russia under Yeltsin)
    is the downtrodden, once again, are taken advantage of, like REALLY screwed over. By that time, it's too late and dictatorial powers become entrenched.

    The military, represented by Trump's cabinet, currently appear to be restraining him. So, they will end up looking like the lesser of two evils, when all is said and done. And some people will be okay with a military dictatorship, because what precedes it might be seen to be scary scary.

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    As far as declaring different areas world heritage sites with the mandate of protecting them for everybody, I don't see the harm. Some global ventures go too far and undercut national governments in ways they shouldn't. But I see nothing in one of the above post that would scare me much. There is rampant hysteria on both sides of the environmental "globalist agenda" divide, that has to be taken down a notch.
    Well you don’t see the harm because you either do not understand or choose not to recognize the intention of THE UNITED NATIONS who’s nefarious plans have been clearly laid out in a document known as Agenda 21. Please see www.democratsagainstagenda21.com for research and information. Here’s the ‘end game’ taken from the above link and written in bold red writing on the website, you can’t miss it:

    UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL.----Rosa Koire

    This isn’t a joke or some convulted conspiracy. The plan was implemented in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA via Executive Order 12852 minus congressional approval. The purpose of the executive order was to create an organized means of implementing the plan by forming the Presidential Council on Sustainable Development(PCSD). The PCSD consisted of every Federal Branch of our government with the point being to make each agency adhere to the policies of this agenda and incorporate on local levels. Through the process, the individual(we the people) is being forced into policies that will have a drastic affect on our quality of life. Additionally, further implementation continues by the assistance of NGO's such as Sierra Club and The Center for Biological Diversity used to promote eco-terrorism in order to force their plan/viewpoint on the American public.

    Why does THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA need an organization such as UNESCO dictating how we should manage our national parks and monuments? We don’t! Their intention is to chip away at our sovereignty through treaty after treaty until eventually we have given away our control to a well known dictatorship THE UNITED NATIONS. Again, to understand you need to be familiar with the policy and procedures of Agenda 21 and how it’s being implemented in every country via signed Treaty agreements.

    Trump understands the significance of being a sovereign nation; proven in his recent actions of pulling out of disasterous treaties that only promote the interests of the controllers. And it’s why individuals tied to ‘deep state’ activities are in an uproar doing everything they can to discredit Trump’s efforts because he’s systematically dismantling the obvious planned takeover by an organization who promotes ruling via dictatorship and not in the best interest of the people.

    My opinion is based on what the research shows and documented actions of said individuals and organizations involved. If you do not read or do further research on the topic you will not have the same understanding. I gave you a great link, a one stop shop, for further exploration. If you live in a country where your sovereignty has already been over-run, chances are the information you’re being exposed to in regards to the situation in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is likely skewed and misleading. Again, my opinion is based on ‘documented actions of said individuals and organizations involved’. Treaties and executive orders are ‘documented actions’, not pie in the sky fantasies of delusion or paranoia.

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    Onawah,

    So far there are three issues where the Feds are going to lock horns with state's rights:

    --sanctuary cities
    --any attempts to interfere with the states that have legalized pot
    --Drilling offshore. Washington, Oregon, California will put up tremendous obstacles.

    And you never know. Maybe Unesco or some other trustworthy organization can help in the struggle with offshore drilling. Ridiculous to contemplate ever more infrastructure being implemented to prop up petroleum in its twilight years.

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    Maybe Unesco or some other trustworthy organization can help in the struggle with offshore drilling.
    As already mentioned, UNESCO no longer has jurisdiction in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA a link provided earlier explains. You can also google the topic for further explanation. One of the means to destabilize and shut down the economy of a country is to make sure they have no access to their own resources. The point of opening up offshore drilling is to bolster domestic energy production rather than relying on other countries for our oil. Taking over natural resources and shutting down production via Eco-terrorism is part of the Agenda 21 plan.

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    Whatever we think about Trump, his agenda, who he owes his loyalties to, and whether he will get us all killed....

    It has to be recognised that He, his family, various military, security & politicians including Trey Gowdy, are currently tangling with a malign force that is ruthless and deadly. For that we all should be grateful.
    Not to worry. He is being protected by Israel and the military...and we all know what good guys they are!

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    National monuments slashed by Trump will officially be open to mining on Friday
    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-nati...-bc92ca54db29/
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    Quote Trump's unprecedented attack on public lands is already benefiting extractive industry.

    At 9 a.m. EST Friday, the extractive industry will gain drilling and mining access to previously protected American land, according to an order issued by President Donald Trump late last year.

    Trump took an unprecedented step for a U.S. president in December — signing a proclamation that dramatically reduced the size of two national monuments. Bears Ears National Monument was cut by more than 85 percent and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument was reduced by half. This resulted in the largest elimination of protected areas in U.S. history. The move put tens of thousands of Native American sacred sites at risk, along with key wildlife habitat, and areas used for outdoor recreation.

    While the longer-term fate of Trump’s likely illegal action will play out in the courts, also buried in his December proclamation was a provision that on February 2, 2018, the areas excluded from the monuments would become open to private mineral companies to begin staking mining and drilling claims.

    “We’re working on getting information and new monument maps ready for people interested in claims,” Utah Bureau of Land Management (BLM) spokesman Michael Richardson confirmed to Reuters.

    Uranium firm lobbied Trump administration to scale back Bears Ears National Monument
    Trump recently announced his decision to shrink the national monument by more than 1 million acres.

    Staking a mining claim on public lands gives an individual or company the exclusive right to extract minerals from a specific area of that land. Under the nearly 150-year-old 1872 Mining Law, staking a claim still involves literally putting stakes into the ground at the four corners of the boundary of your claim. This is then followed up within 90 days by recording the claim with the local BLM office and paying a modest annual fee.

    Though Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke and some supporters of Trump’s cuts, like Rep. Rob Bishop (R-UT), have denied that the goal of the reductions was for mineral development, both monuments sit above known coal and mineral deposits.

    Bears Ears in particular, has proven deposits of uranium and other minerals within it’s original boundaries. One company, Energy Fuels Resources, owns and operates a uranium mine just outside the boundaries of the original monument. In May, the company submitted a letter to Interior requesting reductions to the monument and noted “there are also many other known uranium and vanadium deposits located within the [original boundaries] that could provide valuable energy and mineral resources in the future.”

    House Natural Resources Committee Ranking Member Raul Grijalva (D-AZ), along with 11 other Democrats on the committee, sent a letter to Zinke on Wednesday asking him to prevent mining and development claims inside the original borders of Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments. The letter requested that the secretary issue an “emergency withdrawal” under the Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA) due to the clear threat that “eager” mining companies pose.

    The potential destruction to Bears Ears is also gaining attention from conservation observers outside of the U.S.; earlier this week an arm of the United Nations asked the president to reverse his action, writing that the reduction to Bears Ears could cause irreparable damage to historical artifacts.

    #USA: The decision to reduce the area included in #BearsEarsNationalMonument in Utah by 85 percent is a huge setback for the protection of the rights of #indigenouspeoples. http://ow.ly/cZ5Y30i6Cy0

    “The decision to reduce the area included in the national monument by 85 percent is a huge setback for the protection of the rights of indigenous peoples,” said Victoria Tauli-Corpuz, a special rapporteur for the United Nation’s Human Rights Council. “It exposes thousands of acres of sacred lands and archaeological sites to the threats of desecration, contamination and permanent destruction. I urge President Trump to reverse this decision and ensure the protection of sacred lands and archaeological sites for the benefit of future generations.”

    While the national monuments in Utah face imminent harm, they are not the only public lands currently at risk. The Trump administration’s national monument report includes plans to alter at least eight additional monuments that range from allowing logging in Maine’s Katahdin Woods and Waters, to allowing commercial fishing in the Pacific Remote Islands.
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    Onawah, This is really tragic. I am so sorry that you have to live under this regime. Try to be patient with those poor souls who don't realize they are being suckered while their environment is being degraded. There doesn't seem to be an easy remedy to this other than, hey...alien intervention! That might work, huh? I am serious. We keep messing with THEIR planet and we may be in for a big surprise, particularly sacred sites.

    I have this vision that what Trump could create, in the mythosphere, bleeding into the mundane is a Skinner ranch effect, blanketing all areas where deep planetary environmental profanity is indulged.
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    Onawah,

    So far there are three issues where the Feds are going to lock horns with state's rights:

    --sanctuary cities
    From a legal standpoint, I think the feds win this one easily (due to the fact that crossing a border is the impetus)

    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Onawah,

    So far there are three issues where the Feds are going to lock horns with state's rights:

    --any attempts to interfere with the states that have legalized pot
    States win this one, as long as nothing is exported from the state, no challenge at all as long as a judge isn't compromised.


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    Onawah,

    So far there are three issues where the Feds are going to lock horns with state's rights:

    --Drilling offshore. Washington, Oregon, California will put up tremendous obstacles.

    And you never know. Maybe Unesco or some other trustworthy organization can help in the struggle with offshore drilling. Ridiculous to contemplate ever more infrastructure being implemented to prop up petroleum in its twilight years.

    Quote The Submerged Lands Act (SLA) of 1953 grants individual States rights to the natural resources of submerged lands from the coastline to no more than 3 nautical miles (5.6 km) into the Atlantic, Pacific, the Arctic Oceans, and the Gulf of Mexico. The only exceptions are Texas and the west coast of Florida, where State jurisdiction extends from the coastline to no more than 3 marine leagues (16.2 km) into the Gulf of Mexico.
    Doubt this will be a challenge, most rigs are WAY further out than 3 nautical miles, Feds will "win" this no problem.


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    Onawah, This is really tragic. I am so sorry that you have to live under a reign of Eco-terror.
    Mining is eco terrorism? I knew a lot of gold miners in Alaska... they didn't seem like terrorists to me; we are pretty good at keeping those sites (as long as it's not strip mining or some such) fairly low impact.

    I think the Eco-terrorism was in all the regulations imposed (based on fear.. aka terrorism) that ultimately just shut down the "little guy".
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    Oh the flailing, moaning, gnashing of teeth. It will be biblical! For those who missed the crucifixion, there will be front row seats to the "little guy's" awakening and death by shame and horror, minus a resurrection. Alas, I say unto thee, "what a bummer!"

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    Strip mining is on the rise, and that causes lots of problems.
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    Mining is eco terrorism? I knew a lot of gold miners in Alaska... they didn't seem like terrorists to me; we are pretty good at keeping those sites (as long as it's not strip mining or some such) fairly low impact.

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    Full disclosure -- I have shares in gold mines and feel bad about it. Strip mining. That's a fancy pants word for 'mountain removal' ain't it? And they say you can't move a mountain! I read the other day that monster mining machines will be driverless soon. Of course any new tech requires service people, manufacturing of component parts etc...but in aggregate increasing of automation across all sectors will kill high paying jobs. It sucks. And Trump's people raising false hopes about jobs is an abuse of those who rely on hope to get them through the day.

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    Surface mining is a more inclusive term, though strip mining (yes, it involves mountain removal) is just one category. See:
    https://www.convergencetraining.com/...surface-mining
    It brings to my mind the time long ago when I decided Timothy Leary was not a hero at all, as he began to describe a next step in humanity's evolution to be using up the earth's resources to the extent that moving off-planet became imperative.
    Which seems to be what we are being programmed to accept via TV and Hollywood's futuristic and sci fi offerings.
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    I always thought strip mining was a pejorative term, "surface mining" seems like some PC bull **** you say to not piss people off.

    The majority of mines I saw were subsurface & followed mineral veins, strip mining (surface mining, mountain removal) is pretty ecologically devastating; far too invasive **in MOST areas**.


    However, I do think all this "bringing coal back" is just more 4d chess and that the regulation removal has a different goal in mind.

    (coal isn't coming back, there's just no way).
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