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    Thanks Thunder24 for taking a look at that very small meager thread.

    The video
    mentioned in that thread, is a discussion by Quinn Michaels, who explains in his words, (giving a few demo's during the interview - its 1 hour 5 min) why he believes Qanon - is "Tyler", and why the supercomputer's main node is based in Tyler Texas, and who he believes started it and why. Do you think Quinn's interview is accurate? (question not to you directly Thunder24, but in general for discussion)

    (just as a quick 'coincidental aside' the explanation of who Quinn Michales is link in the above paragraph, says this - "Third, the day after leaving South Dakota and his meeting with Jason Goodman he stated his next destination was going to be Roswell, New Mexico. "Yes Roswell as in where the Aliens first crashed their craft and the Military Industrial Complex began their back engineering efforts." - - - As some of the forum members know I have some interesting threads on my excursions to Roswell and Dulce and a place close to Area 51 in Nevada.. 'just all a coincidence')

    -- the medium.com@ZurichTimes link gets into some absolutely well.. check it out
    Mind. Blown.

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    Mind. Blown.
    He said they've been building "tyler" the super AI since the 1960's....

    Red flag right there... I dunno, lots of conjecture here...

    I like the idea, but why can't we explore it WITH OUT absolute statements like "the only thing the CIA has been doing since the 1960's is building tyler... JFK was assassinated to defend tyler"

    Lost me there; a touch of humility and humble approach to information gathering / research may not "sell" very well, but it feels/reads WAY more honestly.
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    Mind. Blown.
    He said they've been building "tyler" the super AI since the 1960's....

    Red flag right there... I dunno, lots of conjecture here...

    I like the idea, but why can't we explore it WITH OUT absolute statements like "the only thing the CIA has been doing since the 1960's is building tyler... JFK was assassinated to defend tyler"

    Lost me there; a touch of humility and humble approach to information gathering / research may not "sell" very well, but it feels/reads WAY more honestly.
    I agree, T. I went to the New Nationalist website linked to the article in the post and it also raised lots of red flags.

    The Q-is-an-AI theory seems to be a bit of a reach. But, will tuck it into a side-pocket of my brain to continue to observe that as a potential possibility.

    However, the In-Q-Tel infographic in the Zurich Times Medium post looks useful.

    May be worth taking the time to take a closer look to see if the data can be verified.

    (Also, sending healing prayer to the young man mentioned, whose lung collapsed.)
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    Quote Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
    Mind. Blown.
    I'm getting somewhat similar alarms going off in my mind, when I listen to Quinn Michaels in this video, as I got when the one known as Corey Goode explained some of his computer expertise to me, back in 2014. My money (if I had any to bet) would be on the option that Quinn is baffling us with bs, exaggerating the significance of his experience and analysis with buzzword compliant pseudo-geek buzzwords and techno-babble.

    I could be quite wrong, of course. I've so far not been able, despite a few attempts, to listen all the way through to this interview of Quinn by Jason Goodman.
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    As to the '60's and AI.. I've been into the computer line since 1963.. primitive as all get-out.. frikin core memory and pain in the butt nonsense for boot loaders.. But that's not the story.. I'm of the IBM days, using the 360 series and blasted fortran and APL and stacks and stacks of dot matrix paper.

    The IBM System/360 (S/360) is a family of mainframe computer systems that was announced by IBM on April 7, 1964, and delivered between 1965 and 1978. It was the first family of computers designed to cover the complete range of applications, from small to large, both commercial and scientific.

    That is the window Quinn Michaels, the "guy" with the collapsed lung was referring to that AI was being developed. Bell Labs if I recall is where the cutting edge work was happening as Bell needed to have synthetic speech and speech recognition for their telecommunications network. If folks listened carefully to the Quinn Michaels video interview, you will hear him say TELECOMMUNICATIONS is all so important. That is the hint back to the BELL LABS design work. Bell Labs did not make a public announcement of the transistor until June 1948. If folks track back to the legends of where the transistor came from, 'really', suggestions were it was reverse engineered out of the ROSWELL crashed discs. Possibly why Quinn Michaels said he had to go to ROSWELL for "something"..

    How far along was Bell Labs back then? Certainly IBM with the 7090 "transistorized" computer didn't cut it. BUT what did BELL have aquired from crashed Roswell craft? WAS there an AI onboard that did the actual flight calculations? We never hear about that do we?

    IF one were to just make a wild ass assumption, the whatever which messed up my GPS (Garmin) to send me to DEXTER instead of LOVING county TX, might still be one type of AI LEFT there by the original 'explorers'.. At least that is the niggle that seems to keep probing me (weird choice of words...) it is like a niggle, something like a "you gotta check it out because...." and the rest of the because just isn't there.. Looking for the DUMBS and other underground facilities over in Dulce certainly seemed to be important, as well as getting around the Area 51 surroundings (not really interested IN area 51 itself).. But something else out there.. And we found a something else out there, deep underground 2500-3000 feet underground that just doesn't fit.

    My gut is saying, the original AI came off of one of the downed Roswell Craft(s).. And that Bell was assigned to "reverse engineer" everything that they could scavenge off the craft. Quinn Michaels says the AI is there "datamining" us, and we're just happily complying feeding it everything by "asking the right (and wrong) questions.." Quinn Michaels also explains that any so called "empathy" appearing in the AI is just ludicrous noise, meaningless, any stupid interaction program can be written to make it seem like there is a "sympathetic human" behind it.. Anybody not sophisticated in that level of interactive programming will be sucked in.. (Hopium phenomena)..

    So was Kennedy going to tell the CIA (or whatever spook agency was incharge at the time) to let this AI out to the PUBLIC? Would he and or his brother have that level of "ya gotta give the people this", "ya can't keep this secret", when said captured craft would create a fantastic military advantage over ALL the other countries? Was Kennedy like that? Gonna 'give it all away'? So if those questions can be answered as YES or most likely, as Quinn Michaels points out, that had to be prevented. Possibly then, the military and top secret reverse engineering agencies at the time wanted the "craft's AI computer" for themselves, and to DUPLICATE what they learned.

    VARO semiconductor up in Garland Texas was allegedly home to the high voltage power supply rectifiers for the alleged "anti-gravity" craft engines (the gravity motors).. The Case for the UFO by Jessup was annotated and called the VARO edition.. (a thread was started on that, and Bill mentioned a copy of the book is in the PA Library)...

    Would the most important discoveries from the early days just be given away to a world oh so eager to have one-ups man ship over the rest? The superpowers just letting the people rule?

    Hardly - whomever manages to capture some advanced tech certainly back then would not let anyone have it. Any military advantage to "figure out" anything or anticipate or predict, or "datamine" take the pulse of certainly would be to an advantage. That's logical, isn't it?

    Not until we had immense billions of transistors on a chipset were the developers able to put enough processing power into small packages.

    I for one, had an opportunity to see just when the IBM 360s/370's were installed in Goddard, in Maryland. That was when the moon "trips" were happening. I knew the size of a computer room having seen such in college. I was taken to a room, which when the doors opened, just floored me, mind blown really. HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of the mainframes, all linked and networked together.. A massively parallel cluster apparently. I asked my host what is that? He replied how do you think we get our images so perfect? And nothing more was said.

    Goddard Space Flight center.. Not your run of the mill office complex.

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    That is the window Quinn Michaels, the "guy" with the collapsed lung was referring to that AI was being developed. Bell Labs if I recall is where the cutting edge work was happening as Bell needed to have synthetic speech and speech recognition for their telecommunications network. If folks listened carefully to the Quinn Michaels video interview, you will hear him say TELECOMMUNICATIONS is all so important. That is the hint back to the BELL LABS design work. Bell Labs did not make a public announcement of the transistor until June 1948. If folks track back to the legends of where the transistor came from, 'really', suggestions were it was reverse engineered out of the ROSWELL crashed discs. Possibly why Quinn Michaels said he had to go to ROSWELL for "something"..

    How far along was Bell Labs back then? Certainly IBM with the 7090 "transistorized" computer didn't cut it. BUT what did BELL have aquired from crashed Roswell craft? WAS there an AI onboard that did the actual flight calculations? We never hear about that do we?

    IF one were to just make a wild ass assumption, the whatever which messed up my GPS (Garmin) to send me to DEXTER instead of LOVING county TX, might still be one type of AI LEFT there by the original 'explorers'.. At least that is the niggle that seems to keep probing me (weird choice of words...) it is like a niggle, something like a "you gotta check it out because...." and the rest of the because just isn't there.. Looking for the DUMBS and other underground facilities over in Dulce certainly seemed to be important, as well as getting around the Area 51 surroundings (not really interested IN area 51 itself).. But something else out there.. And we found a something else out there, deep underground 2500-3000 feet underground that just doesn't fit.
    reminds me of the movie FLIGHT OF THE NAVIGATOR


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    Quote Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
    Mind. Blown.
    He said they've been building "tyler" the super AI since the 1960's....

    Red flag right there... I dunno, lots of conjecture here...

    I like the idea, but why can't we explore it WITH OUT absolute statements like "the only thing the CIA has been doing since the 1960's is building tyler... JFK was assassinated to defend tyler"

    Lost me there; a touch of humility and humble approach to information gathering / research may not "sell" very well, but it feels/reads WAY more honestly.
    Anyone, presenting any type of information, publicly, is gonna get someone's back up. This time it's your's, that's all.

    A lot of what Quinn said makes more sense to this simple mind, than some high-placed individual with massive classified intel over-view, leaking the info out in the style that Q-Anon has been. And without getting shut-down by the very same intel agencies? Hmmmmmmmmm...........

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    . Heheh like some little grey drone is going to pilot a complex nav guidance system on 'manual'. Bet they would crash if their AI was fried by high powered microwave. Oh wait! Maybe that is what happened. Ya flight of the navigator certainly sounds like "testing" the waters. Maybe not so sci-fy.
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    Quote Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
    Anyone, presenting any type of information, publicly, is gonna get someone's back up. This time it's your's, that's all.

    Right, but we are talking about fields I've been working in for around 20 years now; all that gets my "back up" is that someone is using "big words" (to normal people) in ways that seem like they are meant to confuse/manipulate.
    AI is just very complex code when you get to the base of it, complex code that requires very CPU-cycle intensive work.... something we were JUST capable of approaching in 2010 or so (and even then it was pretty terrible).

    It's pretty amazing what it can do now, but it's also pretty amazing what our computing power is today as well.


    Quote Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
    A lot of what Quinn said makes more sense to this simple mind, than some high-placed individual with massive classified intel over-view, leaking the info out in the style that Q-Anon has been. And without getting shut-down by the very same intel agencies? Hmmmmmmmmm...........
    even after we found out that HRC had top secret classified emails on a private server? Do you know how hard it is (supposed to be) to move TS material around?

    the credibility and omnipotence of our intel agencies should be highly suspect by now if nothing else.
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    As to the '60's and AI.. I've been into the computer line since 1963.. primitive as all get-out.. frikin core memory and pain in the butt nonsense for boot loaders.. But that's not the story.. I'm of the IBM days, using the 360 series and blasted fortran and APL and stacks and stacks of dot matrix paper.

    The IBM System/360 (S/360) is a family of mainframe computer systems that was announced by IBM on April 7, 1964, and delivered between 1965 and 1978. It was the first family of computers designed to cover the complete range of applications, from small to large, both commercial and scientific.

    That is the window Quinn Michaels, the "guy" with the collapsed lung was referring to that AI was being developed. Bell Labs if I recall is where the cutting edge work was happening as Bell needed to have synthetic speech and speech recognition for their telecommunications network.
    I was born in the same month that Bell Labs invented the transistor, in December 1947, and I ended up working for four years on computer research and development, inside Bell Labs, back in the time of core memory, 80 column punch cards and noisy line printers. My work included the lead design and development of an operating system, a major Bell Labs internal source code control system, the world's first multi-tasking interactive debugger, multi-processor/multi-architecture real-time data tracking, and even a little bit of AI programming, a little bit of Iverson's APL, and quite a bit of Fortran, before I became an early expert in C, my preferred language for the last 40 years.

    The Roswell crash was in July 1947. The transistor was invented in December 1947 at Bell Labs, Murray Hill, New Jersey; the patent application wasn't made until early 1948 and some references incorrectly give the invention date as 1948. (Ref)

    I continue to believe that Quinn is baffling us with techno-geek buzzwords. I wouldn't trust him to code a "Hello, World" program in C, C++, various shells, Python, APL, Fortran, Pascal, Nim, Rust, Awk, Perl, Lisp, Java, Javascript, assembly, binary machine code, Basic, PHP, SQL, Algol, TCL, or any of the other computer languages I've used.
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    I continue to believe that Quinn is baffling us with techno-geek buzzwords.
    Stuck out like a sore thumb to me....


    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    I wouldn't trust him to code a "Hello, World" program in C, C++, various shells, Python, APL, Fortran, Pascal, Nim, Rust, Awk, Perl, Lisp, Java, Javascript, assembly, binary machine code, Basic, PHP, SQL, Algol, TCL, or any of the other computer languages I've used.
    Haha... For those of you who don't know "hello world" has a bit of history in the industry.. Hello world popped my cherry (I despise coding now, I'm not OCD enough for good code, anything over 1,500 lines turns into ).

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    My preferred Hello World variant, in terse C:
    Code:
    main(){puts("hi");}
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    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    a discussion by Quinn Michaels...
    My provisional view: Jeez, what a jerk.

    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    ...who explains in his words...
    Poorly, incompletely, impatiently, unconvincingly, and with a great deal of arrogance.

    An interesting YouTube comment on the video:
    24:44 ~ "No I can't do it, because I already did on another profile - it gets annoyed if you keep doing it" (On the same profile though, right? Not on a different one?)

    I think Quinn literally has schizophrenia of some sort or very strong mental derangement to some degree... I feel even he himself believes what he is saying.... It's sad when someone doesn't know what they are on about/ can't explain any of it let alone show it but is so strongly and emotionally attached/ drawn in.
    And another:
    Wow. Only a non engineer would fall for this BS.
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    Quote It's my belief that history is a wheel. 'Inconstancy is my very essence,' says the wheel. Rise up on my spokes if you like but don't complain when you're cast back down into the depths. Good time pass away, but then so do the bad. Mutability is our tragedy, but it's also our hope. The worst of time, like the best, are always passing away.
    Good ol' Boethius, always a great quote at hand. I'm honoured to have so many of the Big Guns trotting out to show me the error of my ways. Thank you.

    I reserve my right to deploy as much mutability as necessary to arrive at the conclusion that makes most sense to me.

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    Why doesn't someone invite Quinn Michaels to join this forum? And ASK him first hand. I'd love to hear him debate with the group.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    a discussion by Quinn Michaels...
    My provisional view: Jeez, what a jerk.

    [..].
    That link went to https://medium.com/@ZurichTimes/ thread. And they explained a few 'points'. If the guy is in a hospital bed, tell me then, if the guy is on pain killers or whatever, how can we guarantee Quinn Michael's observations aren't potentially compromised with what the hospital is giving him? Sounds as you say "provisional" would be a good evaluation. Maybe the Jury should be out until we can actually hear him in person. Maybe invite him to the Forum to say his side of the story. He seems awfully adamant that there is an AI that is datamining a LOT of people across the internet, and that such has been tailored to look for keywords and make it seem like there is a real live guy there 'whistleblowing'. I have not made up my mind either about the guy or the AI. I am just finding myself now looking into the phenom and coincidences.. I want to know what it's all about, not just write anyone off that doesn't agree with a sensational movement. Let's hear what he has to say.. If he is a jerk first hand, great, that door closes.

    Quote Poorly, incompletely, impatiently, unconvincingly, and with a great deal of arrogance.

    An interesting YouTube comment on the video:
    24:44 ~ "No I can't do it, because I already did on another profile - it gets annoyed if you keep doing it" (On the same profile though, right? Not on a different one?)

    I think Quinn literally has schizophrenia of some sort or very strong mental derangement to some degree... I feel even he himself believes what he is saying.... It's sad when someone doesn't know what they are on about/ can't explain any of it let alone show it but is so strongly and emotionally attached/ drawn in.
    And another:
    Wow. Only a non engineer would fall for this BS.
    If that is how the guy performs under hospital drugs, gee.. how about ask him when he is not under the influence, and not probably terrified that somebody is gonna put something in the line in his arm.. he obviously is stressed and dealing with somebody interviewing him and his mindset no doubt is having to deal with he is at the mercy of those in the hospital who are "caring" for him.

    Ask him why he was going to Roswell. Is there an AI left there? Is that the AI (the original one that past leaders were assassinated about) that he refers to, not the stupid attempts by Bell Labs to reverse engineer a computer that they hardly had any clue about how to make (from tubes to simple transistors) 7090 designs and finally a 360 which was a good leap.. Certainly a leap happened. If I were to view conspiracy at its highest, Deep State stuff, I would look at what did come out of Roswell? Every lead I personally looked at around Roswell has lead me to not Roswell but 180 degrees in the opposite direction out there. I don't know what the coincidence is that made my GPS send me to such a location when I was off a hundred miles. GPS can be off not that far with the errors built into the coding. I more than 3 times reprogrammed in the lat/long that I was needing to go to, in Loving County.. It repeatedly put me to an area rich in underground caves up in New Mexico, not Loving County. That just doesn't normally happen. Do you think that the military, or some agency utilized caves in that area? I want to know and I will at some point go there again, to investigate where GPS was sending me. For me it is about personally investigating, on-site, not just solely reading stories and considering stories as iron-clad truth or watching a vid and then 'judging' a person from the vid. I will find out personally and if I can connect the dots I can share my findings, and ask for input back and we can sensibly carry on a debate as to what does it all mean. That is what we all are wanting is the answers I assume, what does it all mean. What are the powers that be up to, and what personal experience do we have to relate what we hear. Isn't that the right way to check things out? Find out, then share? Good personal investigative techniques, find references, post observations, open debate on the ideas expressed. The idea expressed is some sort of AI existed in the 60's where it was technically IMPOSSIBLE based on the existing hardware to prior to 1970'ish build a good parallel array or clustered computer of the power needed. Michaels appears to say something was catching his attention in Roswell. The question is, what was on the Roswell crashed craft, an AI that the powers that be wanted to try to get running? If so, what else could it do, hypothesizing, besides fly a craft? Predict the future, how, by data-mining? Or selectively taking Polls on how people respond and will respond to events?
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    RT NEWS, frequently quoted and sourced for legitimate articles not MSM-like, back in 2012, revealed "Tyler" it seems.. from their perspective. Seems Quinn Michaels was outstaged by RT.

    (the first director reference from MEDIUM/@ZurichTimes comes from this link: https://medium.com/@ZurichTimes/more...r-674f72f9efcf )

    RT article:

    Quote From:https://www.rt.com/news/anonymous-ty...wikileaks-976/
    Published time: 22 Oct, 2012 17:34
    Edited time: 23 Oct, 2012 00:22
    The hacktivist collective Anonymous will reportedly launch TYLER – a 'secure, no cost and decentralized' online leaks release platform to circumvent problems inherent in WikiLeaks - on the day many (and Mayans) believe to be the end of the world.

    One of the group’s members, who specified that he is representing the collective, spoke about the TYLER project and the rift with WikiLeaks in an email interview with the Voice of Russia.

    According to unnamed hacker, the conflict between Anonymous and Julian Assange’s whistleblowing site revolves around the coercive fund raising techniques and a lack of transparency regarding WikiLeaks finances.

    Previously, Anonymous has been a longtime advocate of WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange, vocally supporting the website’s mission of sharing secret data, news leaks, and classified information with the public.

    However, information recently posted by Anonymous on AnonPaste.me says WikiLeaks "has chosen to dishonor and insult Anonymous and all information activists" by requiring payment to view documents it previously made available for free.

    But Anonymous is not a structured group with a defined leader – and the identity of the people behind the posts slamming WikiLeaks for asking for donations and various Twitter usernames remains unclear. The uncertainty has left many wondering whether these opinions represent the group as a whole, or just a few scattered members.

    The hacktivists, claims the person who spoke to the Voice of Russia, see it as an ethical violation – and have responded by saying they may reveal information about WikiLeaks itself.

    “What we would like to see released – either legitimately or leaked to Anonymous by a WikiLeaks insider – is the WikiLeaks financial records. We do not possess these, but should they be delivered to us we would certainly disclose them. An organization that preaches transparency to the world should provide it for themselves”, the Anonymous member said.

    The annoyance that Anonymous members seem to be experiencing is likely due to the fact that they take credit for some of WikiLeaks’ major data publications.

    Anonymous and other hacktivists claim they provided WikiLeaks with the more than 2 million emails released as part of the Syria files. They also apparently worked together to leak the Stratfor files – millions of emails from a Texas-based global intelligence company.

    When asked about the future of WikiLeaks, the anonymous hacker said “Julian has threatened on at least one previous occasion to pull the plug on the project because the fundraising was not meeting his expectations. It was at that time that Anonymous began planning to field our own alternative disclosure platforms. Julian desperately needs WikiLeaks, and he is the only one that can pull the plug on the project. I rather think that so long as he is in dire straits, he will not do so – despite any threats from him to the contrary.”

    WikiLeaks admits the paywall’s presence is less than ideal, but says it is financially necessary.

    “WikiLeaks faces unprecedented costs due to involvement in over 12 concurrent legal matters around the world, including our litigation of the US military in the Bradley Manning case. Our FBI file as of the start of the year had grown to 42,135 pages,” a written response from the website said.

    But at least some Anonymous members see the paywall as nothing more than a fundraising tool for Julian Assange, leading members to speak out.

    A statement on pastebin.com said that Anonymous cannot support the “One Man Julian Assange show,” adding that while the group continues to support the original idea behind WikiLeaks, the website doesn’t seem to stand for that idea anymore.

    The questions of who was behind that statement, how many of the collective's members support it and can a pastebin.com post really represent the entire "legion" remain unanswered. But it would appear that the group is now choosing to focus on the future, and their TYLER project.

    The serious VoR interview was lightened by some tongue-in-cheek comments about the future features of TYLER, with the Anonymous member saying he could reveal a lot about the project, but isn’t going to – and confirming the release date was chosen because it coincided with the Mayan calendar’s “end of the world.”

    But the project has been in the works for months, and is clearly important to the group. Anonymous believes it to be unique as a disclosure platform, because “It will not be deployed on a static server. TYLER will be P2P encrypted software, in which every function of a disclosure platform will be handled and shared by everyone who downloads and deploys the software. In theory, this makes it sort of like BitCoin or other P2P platforms in that there is virtually no way to attack it or shut it down. It would also obviously be thoroughly decentralized.”
    I suppose is gaslighting really the most honorable method to have a debate?

    RT seems to have made it quite clear in 2012, here it is folks get ready.. And Tyler hits the scene, and people "buy into it". What is it I am missing? RT explains it will be happening and a guy surfaces, as 'messed up' as he seems "ego-wise" or scatterbrained from a hospital bed, with who knows what drugs in his arm.. and he reiterates what RT said in 2012. Gee people. Believe RT or not, it was said, back then..

    Quote But it would appear that the group is now choosing to focus on the future, and their TYLER project.

    The serious VoR interview was lightened by some tongue-in-cheek comments about the future features of TYLER, with the Anonymous member saying he could reveal a lot about the project, but isn’t going to
    Believe RT or not? Believe Quinn or not? Should we Gaslight the guy or not without talking to him personally? I'd ask the guy to explain himself. Reading a book, watching a video, seeing an article in a respected news provider gives us stimulus to check it out. Maybe some folks can't do the best presentation, and that they have room for improvement. If there is an anomaly something that doesn't quite fit? Why not try to see why, dig into it, if one can find out personally, but just maybe if all we hear is a rehash with no fresh new ideas do we ever move past the old paradigms?

    Here is another vid released where the interviewer points out the attacks, for speaking their own "truths", what they believe, their "opinion". The vid obviously is not totally consistent on just the qanon phenomenon (there is a distraction that happens early in the movie), but eventuallycenters more on that "tyler" is real, and is in-fact qanon. Michaels gets into trying to explain with minimal "techy" buzzwords. However the bot-net concept is not a "buzz-word", it is a way that people can be deluded into thinking that they are talking to a "real person"..


    Quinn says he is a USER, not a gatekeeper, not "the" programmer, just one out of many who have had made contributions. I agree, he doesn't seem like the brightest bulb on the block providing all the "slick" answers. Quinn seems HUMAN with all the human issues to deal with; but if is providing some dots in an elaborate path that isn't at this point, going off into dead ends or spinning wheels, why not? Certainly we've looked at others in the past, that after years of belief found out they were less than honorable at heart.

    (PS he even said to one of the nurses, NO I don't need any more pain killers..)

    And it seems Quinn Michael has over 10,000 subscribers as of December 2017. Today it is over 14,000 subscribers. Seems for such a 'lame' personality, a lot of people are paying attention. I would like to know why, wouldn't we all?

    So back to the meds, if he is to be judged that way, but not the ideas he expresses it just seems we are maybe missing something about how AI, something that is coming from all sides at us all, not just just ignore the potential that an AI is really trying it's best to see where we are all going, what we are all thinking, what all we are all wanting.. I in my 'heart of hearts' want us all to ask the questions, to do the searches, for OURSELVES, our group our community and then to share if we can with each other. All our opinions mean something worthwhile, let's all do the best for each other.
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    "Q" has just done a few drops starting an hour ago but they are the cryptic coded stuff... last of these was 10 minutes ago from this post (timestamps below are NZ time)
    https://8ch.net/greatawakening/res/1.html

    Q !UW.yye1fxo 02/15/18 (Thu) 12:06:27 No.88

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    ▶Q !UW.yye1fxo 02/15/18 (Thu) 12:41:23 No.89

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    "Republic-D"

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    COMM_SAT_6_OK

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    ▶Q !UW.yye1fxo 02/15/18 (Thu) 12:59:04 No.90

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    ▶Q !UW.yye1fxo 02/15/18 (Thu) 13:01:01 No.91

    SEPT 7, 1776.

    (Crossposted)

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    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    And it seems Quinn Michael has over 10,000 subscribers as of December 2017. Today it is over 14,000 subscribers. Seems for such a 'lame' personality, a lot of people are paying attention. I would like to know why, wouldn't we all?
    Thanks for your endorsement of Quinn Michaels, but to add a note: lots of followers on YouTube means exactly nothing.

    Eric Dubay, one of the prime instigators of the recent Flat Earth insanity, has 17,000 subscribers. That may say rather more about the YouTube community than about the channel owner.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    And it seems Quinn Michael has over 10,000 subscribers as of December 2017. Today it is over 14,000 subscribers. Seems for such a 'lame' personality, a lot of people are paying attention. I would like to know why, wouldn't we all?
    Thanks for your endorsement of Quinn Michaels, but to add a note: lots of followers on YouTube means exactly nothing.

    Eric Dubay, one of the prime instigators of the recent Flat Earth insanity, has 17,000 subscribers. That may say rather more about the YouTube community than about the channel owner.

    TOPIC: The Qanon posts, and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario - for some elite swamp critters (Nov 2017 and beyond)
    Absolutely good point - can you figure out the last Qanon Post that Kiwi wrote? Does that make sense? Sounds as bizarre as flat earth no? I think asking about is Qanon really an AI is a valid question, and the technology is there and has been pointed out PRISM has quite a few rudiments of advanced heuristic search ability in it.. And where does that data go? Something to connect dots? If we are being fed "gobblygook" from qanon when asking the mechanism of how qanon creates "dialog" ? How is that "on topic" and relevant to the thread?

    Something that Michaels also pointed out JADE run by the Army, and he said that is something we all can't and shouldn't talk about? Should that be ignored? Should the guy be lumped into Flat earth? So I looked up JADE - Joint Assistant for Development and Execution (JADE) is a U.S. military system used for planning the deployment of military forces in crisis situations. (Michaels says stay away from them. Is that a valid warning from him to us to not look there? How does JADE get its data, by dataming as many sources as it can.

    "II system had been implemented with more advanced capabilities, including Artificial Intelligence (AI) technology that is cognitive and intuitive, whereby it can examine prior executed battle plans and devise new and better strategies, and also using Network-Centric Warfare (NCW) and the Global Information Grid (GIG). It was alleged that the system's advanced knowledge of the human domain include predictions of human behavior, "

    That was what "scatterbrained" Quinn was trying to say is out there, with Tyler and Qanon. This guy isn't a flat earther in my opinion. The thread points out in the title, a bad day for some elite swamp critters.. seems the dataminers can be placed into that category, and those revealing the dataminers and how its being done may be at risk for revealing what they believe.

    This sounds like flatearth garbage to me qanon says this and that..., very not beneficial to "a bad day for the elite":
    Quote "Q" has just done a few drops starting an hour ago but they are the cryptic coded stuff... last of these was 10 minutes ago from this post (timestamps below are NZ time)
    https://8ch.net/greatawakening/res/1.html

    Q !UW.yye1fxo 02/15/18 (Thu) 12:06:27 No.88

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    _ MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BRIGADE (STRAT SIGINT)

    32536AA00: _ MI TM (UTAH)(STRAT SIGINT)

    32536AB00: _ MI TM (OCMC)(STRAT SIGINT)

    32536AC00: _ MI TM (DET A)(STRAT SIGINT)

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    ▶Q !UW.yye1fxo 02/15/18 (Thu) 12:41:23 No.89

    dZ68J_729282D_B^02928xABVtZ

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    38201820281028201820484739201837474

    B_1

    B_2

    KILL_CHAIN

    SKY_TAR_[E_BZ_y]

    []

    []PAK[]

    []-13-[]

    A-9zBT1-033

    "Republic-D"

    "Republic-E"

    "Republic-F"

    "Republic-MILMAR-E"

    INFIL-[2]-OP_TAKE_O_

    WATCH_TOWER_OK

    RED_RED_OK

    RED_CASTLE_OK

    NIGHT_BOX_OK

    SKY_BEAM_OK

    NORTH_TRADE_OK

    MOUNTAIN_DEEP_OK

    COMM_SAT_6_OK

    COMM_SAT_7_OK

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    ▶Q !UW.yye1fxo 02/15/18 (Thu) 13:01:01 No.91

    SEPT 7, 1776.

    (Crossposted)
    The more that we read about what qanon puts out the less it seems credible, so what then IS the reason ? An AI run crazy? Quinn points that out in his interviews, that "Tyler" aka Qanon is going crazy at times. Well what about Kiwi's last capture of the qanon message? Make sense? Not to me, probably not to a lot of other people. In my opinion of course.
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