Is the white light after we die a trap?

[we-R-one]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I doubt if you have any choice about going or not going into the light.

Another consideration is the words of Jesus
"There are many houses in my Fathers Mansion"

Yes and I interpret that to mean 'many dimensions'. It's my understanding that dimensions are created by beliefs as beliefs vibrate at a frequency(Dr. Bruce Lipton), so what you believe determines where you go, so there is no wrong answer, it's up to each individual based on the choices they make.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Going to the light is one option. Maintaining a strong intent to return to Source is another.


I would really like to know which is the better choice.


Currently I feel that maintaining a strong intent to return to Source is a better choice. It would be interesting to hear more opinions about these options.


Rumor has it that going to the light tunnel leads to a memory erasure station and being put in front of a few authority figures (imposters?) who manipulate you to give your permission to be put in a lifetime that they recommend. Perhaps a lifetime that suits their purpose but not yours.


My personal experience in a dream: I was exploring somewhere off planet and discovered a room with a closed door. Curious me, I opened the door and went inside. The door slammed shut behind me and I realized this was a trap. There was a loud buzzing sound and small robots, maybe Grays, were in the room. I called to friendly ETs for help to escape. No help came. When I called upon my own personal power, I was immediately set free. (Maybe a lesson here.) My intuition says this trap was a memory erasure station.

[DNA]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
Going to the light is one option. Maintaining a strong intent to return to Source is another.


I would really like to know which is the better choice.


Currently I feel that maintaining a strong intent to return to Source is a better choice. It would be interesting to hear more opinions about these options.


Rumor has it that going to the light tunnel leads to a memory erasure station and being put in front of a few authority figures (imposters?) who manipulate you to give your permission to be put in a lifetime that they recommend. Perhaps a lifetime that suits their purpose but not yours.


My personal experience in a dream: I was exploring somewhere off planet and discovered a room with a closed door. Curious me, I opened the door and went inside. The door slammed shut behind me and I realized this was a trap. There was a loud buzzing sound and small robots, maybe Grays, were in the room. I called to friendly ETs for help to escape. No help came. When I called upon my own personal power, I was immediately set free. (Maybe a lesson here.) My intuition says this trap was a memory erasure station.

This 11:00 minute video Trumps all conjecture with soul harvesters and L Ron Hubbard's talk of a soul trap on this planet.

If you watch it and want to argue that is fine, but my suggestion would be to watch it before you come to a conclusion, it is the greatest single piece of data for those to consider when trying to come to terms with this thread's aim.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k

[avid]

BBC Worldwide blocked viewing this video in UK for copyright reasons.

[DNA]

Posted by avid (here)
BBC Worldwide blocked viewing this video in UK for copyright reasons.

It's the Near Death Experience of Pam Reynolds.

I'm of the opinion that this one is unique to most stories.
This story has a certain "holy sh!t" factor to it.
Pam was diagnosed with a aneurysm, one so bad it was considered to be terminal, it was far inside of her brain.
It was really big. Pam was told to put her things in order. But then something unexpected happened, she was told a surgeon in Phoenix Arizona at the Barrrow Neurological center had a procedure and she was the perfect candidate. The procedure required that Pam's heart and brain be stopped, her body temperature cooled and her blood was to be drawn out of her body. Pam was to die under controlled circumstances while her brain was hooked up to an advanced EKG monitor that would detect any brainwave activity. Pam was to be in the condition for an hour, Pam would be clinically dead for an entire hour!
The procedure took place and Pam watched the operation from a vantage point above her body, she could recall the conversations that took place between the medical professionals and recall the tools used for the procedure and the full extent of the procedure of which the actual details had never been explained.
But what is more, Pam then had a Near Death Experience. The experience was quite pronounced and I will recommend for folks to listen to the NDE from Pam herself.
It is worth noting that the surgeon who operated on Pam after listening to her NDE stated that she had absolutely NO BRAIN WAVE ACTIVITY, as such whatever organ she was using to perceive was not her PHYSICAL BRAIN, nor her PHYSICAL EARS, nor her PHYSICAL EYES.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by avid (here)
BBC Worldwide blocked viewing this video in UK for copyright reasons.

I uploaded a copy of it, as an MP4 video file, to my website: Pam_Reynolds_NDE.mp4.

[greybeard]

Dr Eben Alexander NDEis also a classic

No brain activity--when he returned to life he should have been a vegetable.
He is a nuero surgeon and did not believe in spirituality before this event.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qbkgj5J91hE

In this intimate and powerful re-examination of his best-selling book "Proof of Heaven," Dr. Alexander looks at the past two and a half years of his life spent in trying to reconcile his rich spiritual experience with contemporary physics and cosmology. He is convinced that his remarkable near-death journey is totally consistent with the leading edges of scientific understanding today. 2014. This presentation was part of the 128th Summer Convention of the Theosophical Society in America. The theme for the conference was "Science and the Experience of Consciousness," which brought together such distinguished scientists as physicist Amit Goswami, consciousness researcher and psychologist Dean Radin, physicist and psychic researcher Russell Targ, neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, and more. 2014. Available on DVD at: http://questbooks.com/index.php?route

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by DNA (here)
This 11:00 minute video Trumps all conjecture with soul harvesters and L Ron Hubbard's talk of a soul trap on this planet.

If you watch it and want to argue that is fine, but my suggestion would be to watch it before you come to a conclusion, it is the greatest single piece of data for those to consider when trying to come to terms with this thread's aim.

Yes I've seen this before, it's a great piece of evidence (for spiritual reality), but I'm not sure I follow. There's nothing in it that supports any notion of harvesting or soul traps.

[Hervé]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
This 11:00 minute video Trumps all conjecture with soul harvesters and L Ron Hubbard's talk of a soul trap on this planet.

If you watch it and want to argue that is fine, but my suggestion would be to watch it before you come to a conclusion, it is the greatest single piece of data for those to consider when trying to come to terms with this thread's aim.

Yes I've seen this before, it's a great piece of evidence (for spiritual reality), but I'm not sure I follow. There's nothing in it that supports any notion of harvesting or soul traps.

Check again when Pam mentions the "pull"... she is out of body, body is clinically dead -- no sign of life -- yet her "astral body" is being tugged at... some call such a "tractor beam" as used in "UFO/ET" abductions... which, to me, is strong evidence that a "soul" can be scooped up/snatched/harvested with little resistance from the "owner."

[greybeard]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
This 11:00 minute video Trumps all conjecture with soul harvesters and L Ron Hubbard's talk of a soul trap on this planet.

If you watch it and want to argue that is fine, but my suggestion would be to watch it before you come to a conclusion, it is the greatest single piece of data for those to consider when trying to come to terms with this thread's aim.

Yes I've seen this before, it's a great piece of evidence (for spiritual reality), but I'm not sure I follow. There's nothing in it that supports any notion of harvesting or soul traps.

Check again when Pam mentions the "pull"... she is out of body, body is clinically dead -- no sign of life -- yet her "astral body" is being tugged at... some call such a "tractor beam" as used in "UFO/ET" abductions... which, to me, is strong evidence that a "soul" can be scooped up/snatched/harvested with little resistance from the "owner."

Yes but!!! laughing.
There is no indication where the pull is leading to, coming from, leading to.
We are not going to agree on this---but thats just fine--I know what I would rather believe, being as there is strong evidence your thoughts take you to your "final" destination.

Chris

[DNA]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
This 11:00 minute video Trumps all conjecture with soul harvesters and L Ron Hubbard's talk of a soul trap on this planet.

If you watch it and want to argue that is fine, but my suggestion would be to watch it before you come to a conclusion, it is the greatest single piece of data for those to consider when trying to come to terms with this thread's aim.

Yes I've seen this before, it's a great piece of evidence (for spiritual reality), but I'm not sure I follow. There's nothing in it that supports any notion of harvesting or soul traps.

My point being that this video lends credence towards their not being any harvesting or soul traps.

[Hervé]

The point here is that a "soul" can be PULLED ! Whether through friends/family calls or foes mimicking those same friends/family.

[greybeard]

Posted by Hervé (here)
The point here is that a "soul" can be PULLED ! Whether through friends/family calls or foes mimicking those same friends/family.

Yes but she wasn't.
Honestly we could go pulling up all kind of videos "facts" assumptions rationale to prove any point of view on this.

All I can say is its a may be so.

As usual being single minded---There is only one consciousness---so what is there to pull this One without a second.
But there again thats my opinion--smiling.

Chris

[Hervé]

Then, there is this other point: Why was Pam shoved back into a body she didn't want to get back into ???


That's "incarceration" not "incarnation."

[O Donna]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Yes but!!! laughing.
There is no indication where the pull is leading to, coming from, leading to.
We are not going to agree on this---but thats just fine--I know what I would rather believe, being as there is strong evidence your thoughts take you to your "final" destination.

Chris

Reminds me of the Rorschach test and tests like it....

Of course there is no final destination when it comes to thoughts/ perceptions as most people know they change through the function of time.

What do you see?

[greybeard]

Thats Good O Donna
Just for the sake of not going into great detail i "" final,
Im just having a little fun here.
You could say im brain washed but for thirty years daily, Ive been listening to, reading. watching and on several occasion was in satsang with enlightened souls
From absorbing the teaching I have every confidence, at a very deep level, that leaving the body on exiting this life, is 100% safe.

Chris

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...95#post1226095

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
This 11:00 minute video Trumps all conjecture with soul harvesters and L Ron Hubbard's talk of a soul trap on this planet.

If you watch it and want to argue that is fine, but my suggestion would be to watch it before you come to a conclusion, it is the greatest single piece of data for those to consider when trying to come to terms with this thread's aim.

Yes I've seen this before, it's a great piece of evidence (for spiritual reality), but I'm not sure I follow. There's nothing in it that supports any notion of harvesting or soul traps.

Check again when Pam mentions the "pull"... she is out of body, body is clinically dead -- no sign of life -- yet her "astral body" is being tugged at... some call such a "tractor beam" as used in "UFO/ET" abductions... which, to me, is strong evidence that a "soul" can be scooped up/snatched/harvested with little resistance from the "owner."

I'm afraid I heartily and respectfully disagree. At death, this 'pulling' on a soul into the spirit realm is a purely natural process, no more, no less - like an air bubble on the bottom of a swimming pool rising to the surface. The bubble is not being pulled. It's being liberated by buoyancy, from that which previously contained it.

The 'tunnel of light' that many report is just the transition from the dense material of earth into the lighter reality beyond. It's a dimensional doorway. There is certainly no evidence here, or anywhere I've ever seen or heard of, that suggests the presence of alien tractor beams waiting to snare us after death.

This theory is just another psyop in my opinion, like the flat earth, and almost as daft. It's to ingrain disempowerment. It does that by trying to convince people that there is no better reality beyond this one. And death is no escape...

It seems part of the Transhumanist agenda to me, which seeks to inculcate a sense of weakness and inferiority on people. They don't want people believing in spirituality. They'd much rather keep us ignorant, obedient, and living in fear – as a robot. They want us worshipping technology. It's the only path to take in order to become immortal.

[when we already are]

Posted by DNA (here)
My point being that this video lends credence towards their not being any harvesting or soul traps.

Thanks for the clarification - and totally agree. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

[greybeard]

Im in complete agreement Star Mariner.
The obvious question is
In who's interest is it to install fear?
I think you answered that.

Chris

[DNA]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
This 11:00 minute video Trumps all conjecture with soul harvesters and L Ron Hubbard's talk of a soul trap on this planet.

If you watch it and want to argue that is fine, but my suggestion would be to watch it before you come to a conclusion, it is the greatest single piece of data for those to consider when trying to come to terms with this thread's aim.

Yes I've seen this before, it's a great piece of evidence (for spiritual reality), but I'm not sure I follow. There's nothing in it that supports any notion of harvesting or soul traps.

Check again when Pam mentions the "pull"... she is out of body, body is clinically dead -- no sign of life -- yet her "astral body" is being tugged at... some call such a "tractor beam" as used in "UFO/ET" abductions... which, to me, is strong evidence that a "soul" can be scooped up/snatched/harvested with little resistance from the "owner."

I can understand the logic behind what you are saying, but I'm of the opinion that this "pull" is a built in fail safe to help direct us where we are supposed to go.

I'm also of the opinion that if you so choose you can consciously fight this pull and stay here on earth in the dimension you lived in.

My point on why the video argues against a soul catcher/harvester would be "why would they bring Pam back?". Why would the powers that harvest souls and trap our consciousness let Pam's go after she had already crossed over to the other side? The other side of the tunnel that according to the soul harvestor/soul trap crowd is in fact a prison for souls. If they had Pam in their prison why would they let her out?

Pam's experience changed her for the better. Wouldn't the experience have negatively effected her had she gone to soul prison inc.?
Pam spoke of being in the breath of God as she stood within the pulsing white light that bathed her as she finished crossing the initial tunnel.

Her recollection of this is quite powerful and coveys quite a bit of personal assuredness on her part.



And on a personal account I've witnessed this tunnel opening up quite a few times. I can personally attest to the light spilling through it having a healing quality to it. The beings who show up to help the disscarnate spirit pass over have never had an agenda or shown me that they were anything other than benevolent. They never "force" the spirit to pass through the tunnel, but instead free will is always recognized and respected. You can stay a ghost on earth as long as you wish to.

I don't claim to know it all so I place my experiences in the "believe it or not" category I suppose, but I've always been a haunted person. I've always attracted ghosts and spirits. As a teenager I would do this and through my dreams I would help some of these souls find their higher selfs to continue their reincarnational path. This wasn't something I was consciously setting out to do, it was something that would just happen.

These threads are experiential testimony's more than anything, How To See A Ghost For Yourself

and Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings
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I'm not saying it is all rainbows and unicorns. I've seen some pretty nasty stuff. As I grew into my twenties and early thirties I began to be able to see ghosts at will, and they are all around us constantly. I thought it was just myself who was a haunted person but I can amend that to include most "empathic" people are haunted persons. The more empathic and the more you are capable of "feeling" emotions, the more these folks like to be around you because they can then at least affect you on some level.

[DNA]

Posted by Hervé (here)
Then, there is this other point: Why was Pam shoved back into a body she didn't want to get back into ???


That's "incarceration" not "incarnation."

Pam is alive and well as a higher being at the same time she is alive and well inside of her physical body.

If her higher self asked and or gave an okay to her Uncle to push her back into her body then there was no incarceration.
The existance we experience now is not the totality of our being.

Our being is by and far much greater than we are allowed to fully experience as being in the flesh or as the ghost that initially leaves the flesh.

You do not become rejoined to your greater totality until you have crossed over to the other side.