The Qanon posts, and associated US political analysis

[jake gittes]

I found this very interesting. Definitely worth your 2 mins 24 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGdLSVYLWQ

Generals Mattis and Kelly glare at Lindsey Graham and Huma Abedin embracing shortly after McCain ceremony. Kelly then appears to give nervous Nelly Lindsey an "I've got my eye on you" signal causing Lindsey to tremble like a field mouse in the shadow of an eagle. Fascinating glimpse during an otherwise vomit-fest of spewing NWO stooges.

[KiwiElf]

Infiltration Runs Deep,Operation Counter Clowns,Congress Is In Session[s] - X22 Report Episode 1655b

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3dQdyjR09K4

X22Report
Published on Sep 4, 2018

The MSM continues to distract from the real issue, FISA abuse and spying on American citizens.

Wikileaks associate has disappeared.

Rockets rain down on Libya.

US getting ready to remove the deep state bases in Syria, false flag coming soon. "Q" drops more breadcrumbs, the CIA infiltration runs deep, congress is back in session and Sessions is ready to prosecute.

Operation Specialist on a mission to stop an event, "Q" warns that an event might be on the horizon.
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The Central Bankers Attempted To Destroy The US, They Have Failed - X22 Report Episode 1655a

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=m6kbl6ZKOGk

X22Report
Published on Sep 4, 2018

The central bankers are now threatening the BREXIT, if there is no deal there might be difficulties for several economic sectors.

Australians are spending as the housing market collapses.

IBM is laying off 20K older American workers and hires 37,000 younger foreign workers.

The central banker economy is collapsing at an accelerated pace.

The Fed is raising rates during a period of time when it shouldn't.

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[norman]

I'm not going to attempt to snatch bits of posts and quote them here, it's far too complicated for my just OK forum skills, BUT, we really do need to tread carefully around the IRAN subject.


That "7 counties in 5 years" plan we all know about was around a long time before the cabal got stuck in IRAQ and ended up stepping in directly with an offer to IRAN.


That offer ended up in the public news as the DEAL that Kerry and Obama made. In actual fact, neither Kerry or Obama had a anything to do with that deal. It was a high level deal that was done while the president of the US and his servants were locked out of the talks. Even Israel was locked out of the talks.



It was a very serous deal sealed with blood on both sides. A proper "Illuminatti" deal.


Trump has said it was a bad deal for a very good reason.


IF Q is saying that there has to be a change in IRAN then that means that the post deal situation has to go, NOT the pre deal situation that was in the 7 countries in 5 years plan.


The DEAL was in 2013.

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
tutiya, "MintNews" is hardly mainscream media.

Now my 2-cents worth - maybe not, but having read your linked article from MintNews, they're completely clueless about "Q"! (as are Dark Journalist & Alex Jones) to name but two "alternative media" who also don't "get it".

A lot of out-of-context quotes (easy to do) without understanding the "bigger picture". 6,664 posts on this thread alone. Half a million views in 10 months, plus Turiya's Transition into Trump thread = almost a million. (I'd go so far as to say one of the - if not the - fastest growing thread on Avalon atm, not that it seems to be getting the attention it deserves in the "Most Read" section?).

It's like quoting a single page from a 400+ page book. Watching a 2-min trailer isn't the same as watching the whole movie.

This is going global. All for a LARP? A "Mossad" Psyop? I think not. "Q" is now wayyyy beyond that. Can't prove it to you. I'm not even going to try. But I can guarantee you can prove it to yourself, 100%!. Are you willing to at least try?

Just sayin'....

[mountain_jim]

In my view - one value of the Q drops and the resulting anon research, organization, and explanation publishing is the ongoing exposure and spreading of the info/awareness to millions of some of the history and structure of a pretty high-level of the rulers of this planet.

Payseurs as behind the scenes owners of the Rockefellers and the Rothschild's, CIA/Nazi/Bush/Clinton Cabal shenanigans since JFK's ending, ongoing Babylonian mystery cult-Satanism and child-sacrificing rituals to this day, child trafficking world-wide, illuminati mind-control > MK Ultra, Skull and Bones, etc.

A latest example is from a source I now read daily, Neon Revolt, who diverges some in support of Q today to cover an area that was an early path for me down the conspiracy path - Clintons in Mena, Arkansas, drug smuggling in and weapons out, incredible corruption with the CIA, large numbers of suspicious deaths supporting the Clinton's rise - I used to read From the Wilderness daily to keep up with what was being exposed along those lines.

He covers posts by another anon in 2 articles, SKBAnon, who is exposing the Arkansas child-trafficking routes and relationships to Skull and Bones and other secret societies in the Arkansas power structure.

All of this info daily, if time is spent, leads to the optimism that a blow is being struck against the secret controllers' secret history, organizations, and raw materials for their satanic rituals. Exposure may lead to a major cleanup of US politics.

I have wanted to see the Bush/Clinton cabal brought down for much of my adult life, as so much deep-state evil has flowed from there, in my view.

I will admit my main concerns are the views that the NSA and portions of the military are the White Hats in this effort (and who knows how much influence Trump really has here) - as I never accepted the right of the NSA to spy on me in clear violation of my constitutional rights, and don't see them returning this ill-gotten power back to us citizens any time soon.

If this exposure stops short of 9/11 and Israel's Mossad involvement supported by Cheney and the neocons (some of which are cozy with Trump), it will have failed in my view.

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/0...ng-neonrevolt/

The Palladian #SkullAndBones – Part 2. #SecretSocieties #TheCabal #ClintonFoundation #Arkansas #SkullAndBonesAnon #QAnon #GreatAwakening #NeonRevolt


(earlier article linked to in above)

https://www.neonrevolt.com/tag/skullandbones/

The Palladian #SkullAndBones. #SecretSocieties #TheCabal #ClintonFoundation #Arkansas #SkullAndBonesAnon #QAnon #GreatAwakening #NeonRevolt

Istar was an ancient Babylonian fertility Goddess, and the feminine counterpart to Ba’al. You may have read about “Ashera poles” before. There was a whole system of temple prostitution revolving around the bearing and sacrifice of Children to Ba’al. The Temple prostitutes would bear children, and then these children would be offered as a sacrifice upon a superheated bronze altar to Ba’al, built in the shape of a calf.

That’s the most basic, ancient form of this Babylonian Mystery Cult.

The cult has continued through, to this day, and because of it’s utter amorality, controls a great deal of capital, control, and influence.

Now, we’ve since learned that the “head of the Rothschild family” is actually the Payseurs, implying that the Payseurs, then, run this cult.

[norman]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)

If this exposure stops short of 9/11 and Israel's Mossad involvement supported by Cheney and the neocons (some of which are cozy with Trump), it will have failed in my view.

I agree.


There's a political dynamics limiter that will have to be played in a longer game.


Trump can't blow up his own political base. That's a political insanity.


Ideally, there needs to be someone honest and on the same page as Trump, who rises up on the left and takes the Democratic ticket when Trump's 8 years are up. THEN, the Republican political base can be blown up safely.


Got any ideas who that someone could be ?

[Foxie Loxie]

I really do think Dave Janda's explanation of there being two "silos" to the Payseur's influence is the most "believable" interpretation of what is going on.

How can one understand something that is not "logical" in the simple sense of the word. If one is not born into the sphere of influence that has been controlling events for centuries....how can we understand their "thinking"?

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
tutiya, "MintNews" is hardly mainscream media.

My 2-cents worth - maybe not, but having read your linked article from MintNews, they're completely clueless about "Q"! (as are Dark Journalist & Alex Jones) to name but two "alternative media" who also don't "get it".

I'm not going to read this entire thread, but I recall another "alternative news" guy, one I hold in high esteem, saying months ago that this "q" thing is a psyop. Bill Ryan.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
A lot of out-of-context quotes (easy to do) without understanding the "bigger picture". 6,664 posts on this thread alone. Half a million views in 10 months, plus Turiya's Transition into Trump thread = almost a million. (I'd go so far as to say one of the - if not the fastest growing - thread on Avalon atm, not that it seems to be getting the attention it deserves in the "Most Read" section.

It's like quoting a single page from a 400+ page book. Watching a 2-min trailer isn't the same as watching the whole movie.

This is going global. All for a LARP? A "Mossad" Psyop? I think not. "Q" is now wayyyy beyond that. Can't prove it to you. I'm not even going to try. But I can guarantee you can prove it to yourself, 100%!. Are you willing to at least try?

Just sayin'....

How many posts in the "Chares/Atticus" thread?

How many posts in the "Corey Goode" thread(s?)

Hint: Every "savior" thread is going to get a lot of hits. People are desperate for a savior. Number of hits is measuring the sensationalism, that's all.

I'm just examining the low-hanging fruit. "q" says trump is a good guy. Real world observations, minus the emotions and adulation/hero worship, say differently. I'm not referring to trump's narcissistic, sociopathic, personality. I've been a peace "activist" for over 45 years. I have watched the USA blossom into a full-blown war machine in those 45 years. Eisenhower warned us in 1961 that the military industrial complex had already gained too much control. The USA, INC. is now a fully weaponized, malevolent, psychopathic nation of war profiteers, and the economy of the US is such that 2/3rds of the budget is directly going to the military/security industrial complex. (The real percentage is even higher, just less direct.) There is no real enemy, so the mobsters create an enemy (terrorist groups and re-demonizing Russia) to keep the war machine growing.

If you are OK with psychopaths murdering millions of people and stealing trillions in resources so that the USA, INC. elite can prosper and so the USA, INC. can have planetary full-spectrum dominance, I have no way to talk to you. (Not you, KiwiElf, anyone.) In my mind and in my heart, no one who participates in this psychopathy, genocide, and imperialism is a good guy. barack insane obama brokered the most arms sales in history, and now trump has (or will) break that record. Weapons of war, weapons of subjugation, weapons of genocide. The NUMBER 1 problem regarding the USA is not Mexicans crossing the border, it is that the military/security industrial complex controls the economy and controls the foreign policy, and the foreign policy is psychopathic, genocidal, and imperialist. No one who helps these monsters is a good guy. trump is a militarist, clearly stated that during campaigning, and just equipped saudi arabia with the weapons they need to wipe out Yemen. Another record-breaking military spending package (three quarters of a trillion dollars!) was just passed by the maggot-mouthed US Congress and the trump administration.

trump is in bed with zionazi netanyahu, and turns the other way as the israelis murder the Palestinians in a slow-motion genocide. israel is pumping oil out of Syria (a dick cheney tie-in too) while trump (like his predecessors) pretends not to notice. zionist israel wants Syria neutered and Iran neutralized, and trump is fully on board. Like joe I-am-a-zionist biden said, "you don't have to be a Jew to be zionist..." and trump is zionist. Probably 4D chess that I don't understand - what else could it be?

giuliani! Hey, haven't we heard that name somewhere before? Say, maybe on 9/11, as an obvious participant? I know, it was fun when trump was campaigning and said he was going to expose those responsible for 9/11. Loved hearing that! Instead, he hired them. Hmmmmm, probably more 4D chess.

trump started his term in office by crushing the Standing Rock anti-DAPL pipeline protesters - trump had and has invested in the DAPL pipeline company, "energy transfer partners." So, trump's a militarist AND a corporatist but yet somehow a good guy? (Some trump fans go so far as to say that every blatant corporatist act - allowing extractive corporations to rape and pillage the environment - is really just trump dismantling agenda21. Riiiiiiight.)

I do see a "turf war" between mobster factions of the controlling elite, but the factions are both militarist, both corporatist, and both zionist. So, the obummer/bushes/klintons/ part of the elite psychopathic controllers are the bad mobsters in bed with part of the deep state and zionists, and trump is the good mobster and also in bed with part of the deep state and zionists? One of the warring factions will win - does that make them the good guys?

I'm not presenting these low-lights just to poop on trump, I'm trying to underscore that "q" is a psyop simply by virtue of "q" promoting the zionist agenda in Iran and lauding trump as the savior and a good guy. Probably the members of Castellano's Gambino crime family thought John Gotti was a bad guy, right? So, that makes Castellano a good guy, I guess. Maybe "q" is highlighting some crime syndicate crimes, but conflating that into trump the good guy and savior is laughable.

[mojo]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=i2_bks4hld4

[onawah]

Brett Kavanaugh Hearings: Takeaways From Day 1
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/u...g-updates.html
Democrats acting out and bringing up a good point about delay on documents re Kavanaugh, but more hysteria about Trump's legal status and they neglect to mention his history of rewarding polluters and lack of regard for the environment.
"The moment Judge Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearing opened, Democrats and protesters turned it into a verbal brawl. Senator Kamala Harris, Democrat of California, immediately interrupted the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Charles E. Grassley, demanding a delay to consider tens of thousands of pages of documents released Monday — the night before the hearing and a holiday.

Other Democrats backed her, especially the senators considering a run for the White House in 2020, as did women’s rights protesters, several of whom were arrested and thrown out as they decried the sessions as a sham.

“We cannot possibly move forward, Mr. Chairman, with this hearing,” one of the presidential aspirants, Senator Harris, declared.

Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut called the hearing “a charade and a mockery.”

“What are we trying to hide? Why are we rushing?” asked Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont.

Posted by Michelle Marie (here)

Posted by mojo (here)
What a fiasco going on in the Kavanaugh hearing, but one person really shined out for their speech. He laid out everything nice and clear... Great job Senator Cruz!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6yNmyekIxH0

Yeah!!! Really great job.

This kind of firm talk laying it on the line will save our country...and the world.


MM

[turiya]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
tutiya, "MintNews" is hardly mainscream media.

You sidestepped the issue I brought up: "q" called for regime change in Iran. So, is there a secret decoder ring to help me figure out that "q" is a good guy, not a zionist helping israel, who wants Iran destroyed, like it appears? Decode this for me: "Free Iran!!! Fight Fight Fight Regime change. People have the power. We stand with you." Does this really mean something different than the words say?

Dennis Leahy

As I have stated previously, the separation between those that having been receiving the "fireside chats" from Q & those that are depending on the corporate MSM news outlets to get their "reality check" is growing ever more deeper & ever more wider - making it near improbable that the twain is ever going to be able to meet.

And as Kiwi has pointed out, there a number of alternative sites that take the side of the uninformed & spew out whatever nonsense it is, place it into the food trough, for those that want to feed off of whatever it is they put there. Enjoy the junk food, if that is what you like to eat.

I am not going to make any attempt to bridge that gap for you. That is entirely up to you.

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Has "q" mentioned anything about trump brokering (or facilitating) the giant arms sales to saudi arabia, one of the two most malevolent, terroristic nations in existence? The US, also under trump, are murdering and facilitating saudi arabian murder of citizens in Yemen. But, I suppose that's just 4D chess, and the dead Yemeni citizens are simply "collateral damage" in a bigger plan to make the world a better place (for saudi arabia.)

If you were really paying attention, Dennis Leahy , you would have long ago become aware that the so-called "Saudi arms deal" was a deal that was initiated by the Obama administration. As reported by several news outlets:

Defense One
There’s Less than Meets the Eye in Trump’s Saudi Arms Deal

It takes a lot of existing offers and future promises to add up to $110 billion.
Donald J. Trump may be unpredictable, but there is one common theme that runs throughout his presidency: a penchant for exaggerating his achievements. From his insistence that the crowd at his inauguration numbered over one million people to his claim to have rebuilt the military before his first budget was even announced, the president is perfectly comfortable claiming credit for things that have not, in fact, occurred.

So what we have is a deal that is mostly a mix of offers already made and promises yet to be kept. And when and if some of the new offers are formally notified to Congress – a process that will at least reveal what systems are to be provided at what cost – there is no guarantee that they will produce signed contracts and actual deliveries of weaponry. For example, during the Obama years, Congress was formally notified of offers of weapons, training, and military support services to Saudi Arabia worth $115 billion. So far only about half of those offers have resulted in formal agreements, and less than $20 billion in goods and services have actually been delivered. And deliveries of major systems can take years. For example, an offer of F-15 combat aircraft to the Saudi Air Force that was announced to Congress in October 2010 didn’t result in the first planes being delivered until December 2016.

Business Insider
It turns out that the $110 billion Saudi arms deal is actually 'fake news'

Washington Post
Trump’s first arms sales, holdovers from the Obama era, are business as usual

Aljazeera
Questions raised over $110bn arms deal to Saudi Arabia

As details have emerged about the arms sale, it's become clear the $110bn value Trump claimed is exaggerated. The new sales are actually just proposed offers and most of the underlying weapons systems were previously organised under former President Barack Obama.

As for what goes on in Yemini, to me, this looks like another area of Deep State control over assets, as was the case with North Korea, as it is still the case with Iran, that the Deep State holds in its hands.

I can only say that I understand that it will take much more than a finger snap - inaugurating Donald Trump president on 19-January 2017 - to accomplish a take down of the ENTIRE Deep State mechanism, which has grown into the immense worldwide power structure it has become ever since before the takedown of JFK.

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
How about trump believing that Assad gassed his own people, and sending a fleet of warships and shooting missiles into Syria for humanitarian reasons, while ignoring the genocide of Palestinians, Yemenis? Does that make some sort of sense to you? And trump calling Bashar Assad an "animal", and (reportedly) telling Mattis to assassinate Assad. And trump's latest threat that hundreds of thousands may die if Assad tries to regain control of Idlib from US-backed terrorists. Are those coded messages too? Gee, you'd think an anti-deep state hero wouldn't protect the deep state's terrorists. obummer may have given them a fleet of Toyota trucks, but trump is threatening the leader of a sovereign nation, and his people, if they dare to oust the terrorists? I guess the only explanation is that trump is a genius and if we all wait long enough, we will understand why the neocon/neoliberal plan to takeover and control the Middle East that trump is now participating in is a brilliant plan. Well, except for all the dead people. They probably are going to be hard to convince.

'The Art of the Deal'... Game Theory...
The Art of War by Sun Tzu.

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Look, I know my views that trump is really just another mobster (even if he belongs to or even heads a different mobster 'family'), and that BOTH the dnc corporation and the rnc corporation are mobster organizations, and that the entire USA, INC. is controlled by "elite" scumbag psychopaths + the vast majority of the military brass + military/security industrial complex bigshots, is not popular with trump supporters. You want a hero, a swamp drainer, an anti-NWO warrior. Just because we can see that obomber is a mobster and his "family" of mobsters clashes with trump's "family" of mobsters doesn't mean that trump is a good guy.

It's not just trump. I'm equally against all the psychopaths, all the controllers, whether they have a "D" or an "R" tattooed on their butt. Here's my decoder ring: when some US leader stands for peace and the US stops directly and indirectly helping other terroristic nations (like israel and saudi arabia and ukraine), then you can start polishing a halo. Until then, they are all mobsters, enemies of the people, enemies of humanity.

Its not to say that Trump is a bad guy, either. Like I said previously... I'm not here to convince you of anything. I have my own reasons to support this man. I have my own sources that I go to that tell me that this man can be trusted - that the man means what he says.

Prior to the 2016 election, the last time I voted before that was in 1972. Since then, I refused to vote for one idiot over another idiot. When Trump decided to run for president, initially I thought it would be the worst thing that could possibly happen. It was only because I saw other career politicians - the real idiots - getting quite upset over what he was saying. This caused me to investigate what it was that this man was actually saying. So, I spent some time listening to various rallies & speeches. After doing so, I realized this man was not just another idiot. This man truly meant what he was saying. It was not the words that he was saying per se, but what was behind the words. Its a sense that not a lot of people can tune into, as I came to find out. Its trusting in one's own Self.

I've come to trust in my own sensitivities. This is entirely subjective experience. Its not possible for me to transfer that to you - so that you would have that same trust in yourself. That is entirely in your hands.

So, its entirely up to you in how you want to take this Trump phenomenon. As, I've once said it to you before....

"Believing that things will never change, is also a kind of brainwashing"

- Its a kind of auto-hypnosis. Its something you may want to consider to purge from your psyche at some point in future.

Until then OPCORN:

Best regards.

[Praxis]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
tutiya, "MintNews" is hardly mainscream media.

My 2-cents worth - maybe not, but having read your linked article from MintNews, they're completely clueless about "Q"! (as are Dark Journalist & Alex Jones) to name but two "alternative media" who also don't "get it".

I'm not going to read this entire thread, but I recall another "alternative news" guy, one I hold in high esteem, saying months ago that this "q" thing is a psyop. Bill Ryan.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
A lot of out-of-context quotes (easy to do) without understanding the "bigger picture". 6,664 posts on this thread alone. Half a million views in 10 months, plus Turiya's Transition into Trump thread = almost a million. (I'd go so far as to say one of the - if not the fastest growing - thread on Avalon atm, not that it seems to be getting the attention it deserves in the "Most Read" section.

It's like quoting a single page from a 400+ page book. Watching a 2-min trailer isn't the same as watching the whole movie.

This is going global. All for a LARP? A "Mossad" Psyop? I think not. "Q" is now wayyyy beyond that. Can't prove it to you. I'm not even going to try. But I can guarantee you can prove it to yourself, 100%!. Are you willing to at least try?

Just sayin'....

How many posts in the "Chares/Atticus" thread?

How many posts in the "Corey Goode" thread(s?)

Hint: Every "savior" thread is going to get a lot of hits. People are desperate for a savior. Number of hits is measuring the sensationalism, that's all.

I'm just examining the low-hanging fruit. "q" says trump is a good guy. Real world observations, minus the emotions and adulation/hero worship, say differently. I'm not referring to trump's narcissistic, sociopathic, personality. I've been a peace "activist" for over 45 years. I have watched the USA blossom into a full-blown war machine in those 45 years. Eisenhower warned us in 1961 that the military industrial complex had already gained too much control. The USA, INC. is now a fully weaponized, malevolent, psychopathic nation of war profiteers, and the economy of the US is such that 2/3rds of the budget is directly going to the military/security industrial complex. (The real percentage is even higher, just less direct.) There is no real enemy, so the mobsters create an enemy (terrorist groups and re-demonizing Russia) to keep the war machine growing.

If you are OK with psychopaths murdering millions of people and stealing trillions in resources so that the USA, INC. elite can prosper and so the USA, INC. can have planetary full-spectrum dominance, I have no way to talk to you. (Not you, KiwiElf, anyone.) In my mind and in my heart, no one who participates in this psychopathy, genocide, and imperialism is a good guy. barack insane obama brokered the most arms sales in history, and now trump has (or will) break that record. Weapons of war, weapons of subjugation, weapons of genocide. The NUMBER 1 problem regarding the USA is not Mexicans crossing the border, it is that the military/security industrial complex controls the economy and controls the foreign policy, and the foreign policy is psychopathic, genocidal, and imperialist. No one who helps these monsters is a good guy. trump is a militarist, clearly stated that during campaigning, and just equipped saudi arabia with the weapons they need to wipe out Yemen. Another record-breaking military spending package (three quarters of a trillion dollars!) was just passed by the maggot-mouthed US Congress and the trump administration.

trump is in bed with zionazi netanyahu, and turns the other way as the israelis murder the Palestinians in a slow-motion genocide. israel is pumping oil out of Syria (a dick cheney tie-in too) while trump (like his predecessors) pretends not to notice. zionist israel wants Syria neutered and Iran neutralized, and trump is fully on board. Like joe I-am-a-zionist biden said, "you don't have to be a Jew to be zionist..." and trump is zionist. Probably 4D chess that I don't understand - what else could it be?

giuliani! Hey, haven't we heard that name somewhere before? Say, maybe on 9/11, as an obvious participant? I know, it was fun when trump was campaigning and said he was going to expose those responsible for 9/11. Loved hearing that! Instead, he hired them. Hmmmmm, probably more 4D chess.

trump started his term in office by crushing the Standing Rock anti-DAPL pipeline protesters - trump had and has invested in the DAPL pipeline company, "energy transfer partners." So, trump's a militarist AND a corporatist but yet somehow a good guy? (Some trump fans go so far as to say that every blatant corporatist act - allowing extractive corporations to rape and pillage the environment - is really just trump dismantling agenda21. Riiiiiiight.)

I do see a "turf war" between mobster factions of the controlling elite, but the factions are both militarist, both corporatist, and both zionist. So, the obummer/bushes/klintons/ part of the elite psychopathic controllers are the bad mobsters in bed with part of the deep state and zionists, and trump is the good mobster and also in bed with part of the deep state and zionists? One of the warring factions will win - does that make them the good guys?

I'm not presenting these low-lights just to poop on trump, I'm trying to underscore that "q" is a psyop simply by virtue of "q" promoting the zionist agenda in Iran and lauding trump as the savior and a good guy. Probably the members of Castellano's Gambino crime family thought John Gotti was a bad guy, right? So, that makes Castellano a good guy, I guess. Maybe "q" is highlighting some crime syndicate crimes, but conflating that into trump the good guy and savior is laughable.

Extremely well put Dennis. But you made the mistake of trying to talk about actual policies. The people in this thread do not like to deal with policies and what is happening because it would force them to confront the fact that in many ways Trump is continuing the same policies as previous presidents, war and corporatism as you say.

But what the Q cult of personality needs is to feel special. They need to feel like they are in the IN group and have secret knowledge that others dont have. This is why Wilcock and Goode and Fulford and these people are fading away because that method of the game is not longer really effective. So now they are letting you freebase that sweet sweet insider information directly using Q.

That is all Q is. Before the OCTOPUS would use mediums to launder their information and so we had Art Bell, Wilcock, Nidle, etc. But, like I said that has fallen apart. THe Goode push was the final death throes of that. So now they are just letting you directly inject that hope porn right into your orifices. This has become an open secret society. Where people feel above others because they "get it" and have "researched it" and if only you would get on their level and understand as well as they do then maybe you could join the UBERMENSCH like them.

Literally the Q people are hoping that a military coup de tat of "white hats" will restore the republic(without any hint of irony btw). They would like to see military tribunals of people they dont like under the guise of saving the children. Yes there is a pedophile problem and the words of Trump about Epistein they "do like them young and likes to party." Literally Jeffrey Epstein is connected to trump and his base ignores this or will explain it away.

[mojo]

Jake
The video definitely had some interesting non-verbal clues. Lyndsey also traveled with no-name to the Muslim Brotherhood meeting ie the picture Q showed, Lyndsey Graham always seemed kind of a squirmy, fair weather friend, primadonna type. Does Qanon provide any more data on him? Can he be trusted? The look Kelly gives back is a stare down...

I found this very interesting. Definitely worth your 2 mins 24 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGdLSVYLWQ

Generals Mattis and Kelly glare at Lindsey Graham and Huma Abedin embracing shortly after McCain ceremony. Kelly then appears to give nervous Nelly Lindsey an "I've got my eye on you" signal causing Lindsey to tremble like a field mouse in the shadow of an eagle. Fascinating glimpse during an otherwise vomit-fest of spewing NWO stooges.

[edina]

Posted by mojo (here)
Jake
The video definitely had some interesting non-verbal clues. Lyndsey also traveled with no-name to the Muslim Brotherhood meeting ie the picture Q showed, Lyndsey Graham always seemed kind of a squirmy, fair weather friend, primadonna type. Does Qanon provide any more data on him? Can he be trusted? The look Kelly gives back is a stare down...

I found this very interesting. Definitely worth your 2 mins 24 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGdLSVYLWQ

Generals Mattis and Kelly glare at Lindsey Graham and Huma Abedin embracing shortly after McCain ceremony. Kelly then appears to give nervous Nelly Lindsey an "I've got my eye on you" signal causing Lindsey to tremble like a field mouse in the shadow of an eagle. Fascinating glimpse during an otherwise vomit-fest of spewing NWO stooges.

I also noted that Henry Kissinger looked up as she walked away from Lindsey Graham, making note of her presence. More going on than meets the casual eye.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by turiya (here)
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As I have stated previously, the separation between those that having been receiving the "fireside chats" from Q & those that are depending on the corporate MSM news outlets to get their "reality check" is growing ever more deeper & ever more wider - making it near improbable that the twain is ever going to be able to meet.

And as Kiwi has pointed out, there a number of alternative sites that take the side of the uninformed & spew out whatever nonsense it is, place it into the food trough, for those that want to feed off of whatever it is they put there. Enjoy the junk food, if that is what you like to eat.

I am not going to make any attempt to bridge that gap for you. That is entirely up to you.

I used the words of "q", not mainstream media.

I triple-dog-dare you to actually address the particular issues that I brought up, rather than attempting a deflecting avalanche of words.

"q", just like the deep state and the presidents that follow their orders, have called for "regime change" in Iran, just like the israeli zionists have. Address that one issue.

I know you admire trump and do not want to address the handful of specifics that I laid out, demonstrating the corporatist and militarist ACTIONS of trump. saudi arabian arms deal: Being the final "bag man" for the MIC deep state mafia, completing deals started under previous (deep state controlled) administrations, does not excuse the bag man from his role in arming a terrorist state that is actively engaged in genocide (Yemen.) If you want to riff further along those lines, how about the fact that trump did not negate the NDAA and "Patriot Act", started under previous administrations? Just like obama finished bush's unfinished business.

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Posted by turiya (here)
So, its entirely up to you in how you want to take this Trump phenomenon. As, I've once said it to you before.... Believing that things will never change, is also a kind of brainwashing - a kind of auto-hypnosis. Its something you may want to consider to purge from your psyche at some point in future.

Until then OPCORN:

Best regards.

I suspect that a large part of our common ground, and that of most members of Avalon, is that we all opened up our eyes and saw a corporatist/militarist/bankster controlling elite grow in malevolence and power and control. I have no problem naming them all, from the banksters to the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the rnc and dnc corporations that control the door to government, to the puppets that they place in the white house including trump. The same people who controlled the USA, INC. and much of the world 4 years ago and 8 years ago and 12 years ago... still do. This latest stuff - obummer caught spying on trump's campaign - is a war between elite controller factions, nothing more. If trump is hugely successful (which I doubt), he'll have obomber and killary in prison, and some of their loyalist henchmen too. It won't be the people gaining control of our lives and sovereignty, corporatism and banksterism declawed or destroyed, militarism halted, and peace. It won't be because that is not the goal.

"Believing that things will never change, is also a kind of brainwashing - a kind of auto-hypnosis. Its something you may want to consider to purge from your psyche at some point in future." Read my words carefully: things will never change for the better as long as mobsters control the USA, just like the mafia threat did not go away when Gotti ordered his boss, Castellano, to be murdered.

The only hope (in my humble opinion), would be for US citizens to rise up and take over the entire election system/paradigm, rewrite all election laws to keep the same monsters from gaining office, dismiss - with prejudice - all officeholders, and start fresh. Even that is no panacea nor guarantee, but as long as the entrenched mobsters are in power and have complete control over who will fill the empty seats, there is a 0.00% chance of the USA becoming a benign nation.

[Foxie Loxie]

IMHO.....It doesn't really matter whether "Q" is a psyop or not....what matters is that this whole phenomenon has been able to wake up many people to what has actually been going on over the past many decades.

What matters to me is equal justice for ALL; no more Double Standard....that the same "rules" apply to all! I am reminded of something C.A. Fitts said about her dealings with Jack Kemp.

She had reminded him about some "rule" & his reply was, "I don't have to obey the law." Call me naive! What I truly care about is Rule of Law! Let the chips fall where they may.... this isn't about "Q"!

[norman]

Dennis, you are very articulate at the process level, that the left has become dominant in. To understand Trump, and whatever is behind him, we have to think about the daily grind of implementation of whatever passes for policy.


Trump cannot take down crooked money power before he has built up honest money power.


Although you haven't specifically mentioned it, one of my own personal pet hates is big pharma. I want Trump to swing the axe into big pharma, very much, but I realise that being the pragmatist he is, Trump will leave that until later when the economy (hopefully) can handle the upset that will cause. Same goes for your pet hate, the military industrial complex. First things first, there has to be an economy of honest money thriving well enough to breeze through those almighty axe jobs. The alternative is instant crash, and a rolling up of the wreakage into the hands of the same old gang.


Trump is smarter than that.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
I'm not presenting these low-lights just to poop on trump, I'm trying to underscore that "q" is a psyop simply by virtue of "q" promoting the zionist agenda in Iran and lauding trump as the savior and a good guy. Probably the members of Castellano's Gambino crime family thought John Gotti was a bad guy, right? So, that makes Castellano a good guy, I guess. Maybe "q" is highlighting some crime syndicate crimes, but conflating that into trump the good guy and savior is laughable.

If you measure by "the road not taken", the problems not addressed, then most of us are "no-ops", a few of "them" are mean, evil, nasty ops, and a few of us might rise to the level of being a "psy-op".

If you measure by whether or not any damn good at all is being done, anything at all is being cleaned up, rather than just making the pile of evil sh*t even deeper and darker, then you, me, Trump, Q, those of us on this thread, the autists and anons on 8ch.net/qresearch, various people buried in the military and the NSA, and many other decent people, mostly rather anonymous, are each doing some of what we can, in our own various ways and circumstances, to make things a bit better, rather than to make them a bit more evil.

One cannot measure whether the journey of a thousand, nay ten thousand, days (and dark nights) has been successful by whether any of the Himalayan peaks before us, some hidden in the clouds and some hidden behind others, were climbed that day. Ask rather whether we made camp once again, a bit closer to our objectives, a few more supplies acquired and a few more fellow travelers joined, another small foothill scaled.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Praxis (here)
Extremely well put Dennis. But you made the mistake of trying to talk about actual policies. The people in this thread do not like to deal with policies and what is happening because it would force them to confront the fact that in many ways Trump is continuing the same policies as previous presidents, war and corporatism as you say.

But what the Q cult of personality needs is to feel special. They need to feel like they are in the IN group and have secret knowledge that others dont have. This is why Wilcock and Goode and Fulford and these people are fading away because that method of the game is not longer really effective. So now they are letting you freebase that sweet sweet insider information directly using Q.

That is all Q is.

Study your history. Q is more than that. He/it/they, and us, are a symptom of something far larger.

The power of human civilization is no longer centered on the Sumerians, the Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Phoenicians, the Greek, the Romans, the Spanish, the Dutch, the French, the British, the Chinese empires of the past, ...

More or less every century it seems, in recent times, this power center has shifted once again. As it does, some of the old ways are put aside, and some of the accumulated trash is thrown out.

The American branch of the Anglo-American empire, the Rothschild-Rockefeller families, the various crime syndicates they sponsor such as the Clinton's, Bush's, and some of the tools and organizations of their power, such as the CIA, the US Petro-Narco-Dollar, various American military, intelligence, corporate propaganda and surveillance media (news, entertainment, "education", and "social"), Western purveyors of the toxins in our food, water, and "medicines", ...

... are struggling, are taking more setbacks and making fewer advances, are being increasingly exposed.

As when families move from one house and community that they've lived in for many years, to another house in another community ... much is left behind, some of it good, and some of it "good riddance."

Q is playing, in my estimation, a vital role in getting more of us to better observe and inventory some of the seriously deep, convoluted, obfuscated evil that needs to be considered for the trash heap, and in recognizing what might be worth keeping.

Trump is playing, in my estimation, a bigger role than is evident to most of us, in helping to lead (more by focusing attention than by deciding in great detail or doing the work himself) America through this particular, rather substantial, transition.

[onawah]

To both Paul and Dennis I say yes and yes. No one is omnipotent and can see the whole picture clearly. There is just too much going on. If I were to take an intuitive guess, I would say we are shifting from Kali Yuga where evil was predominant to whatever the next one is, where it's evenly balanced, because that's how the Trump transition feels to me. Still plenty of evil, but at least not as much as before, and yes, it's a huge transition, but let us not blind ourselves to the huge amount of evil that still surrounds us.
Just take a look at this for one:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1246076
If Trump is doing anything about the vaccine massacre, I haven't heard about it.
And I'm just asking about the following--does anyone know if this is fake news or not?: