Dr. Steven Greer (2010 - 2012)

[lisa]

Posted by TheWatcher (here)
Could you kindly elaborate on why in your opinion, the workshops are a scam? And how do you come by the conclusion the stories in his book are untrue?, in your opinion of course? You can check his medical background so you should be careful with these statements. This thread was originally intended for my placing of data etc concerning the Disclosure Project. I'd prefer it did not become hijacked with posts detailing members opinions on his validity, note the word OPINIONS.

Please search my posts on PA1: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15673 if you are interested.
You mentioned that your handlers want you to talk about this. However, this issue has been beaten to death in PA1 and most people here already know Greer for who he is, so I do not want to bore everybody. Hope you and your handlers understand.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Again all I can say is that on any particular session, the majority will have an enlightened positive experience, some do see craft, lights, etc, some do not. Its obviously not guaranteed. Rightly or wrongly you feel bitter but this does not give you the right to call Dr Greer a scammer, fraud or psycho, they are defammatory remarks which could lead to problems by his attorney should he wish to, but he is bigger than that and can ride off all and any such remarks. Put it behind you I suggest but kindly refrain from openly posting such remarks unless you can prove he is a scammer, fraud and psycho. In the UK this would be grounds for a lawsuit.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Posted by lisa (here)
Please search my posts on PA1: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15673 if you are interested.
You mentioned that your handlers want you to talk about this. However, this issue has been beaten to death in PA1 and most people here already know Greer for who he is, so I do not want to bore everybody. Hope you and your handlers understand.

Most people know for who he is? kindly elaborate. Besides I started this thread for data re disclosure, being one of his witnesses. If you are referring to the mud slinging at PA1 by handful of people then I have no time for such. Me and my handlers know Dr Greer has walked the walk, talked the talk, has direct experience in this field, as does his witnesses. Rather than joe public whom has NO experience in this other than watching reading and seeing materials. Yes Disclosure IS THE thing to push, and whether you wish to know or not Dr Greer began the Disclosure Project for that reason. To open YOUR eyes, media and joe public.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I'm going to suggest, in as nice a way as possible, to kindly refrain from posting on this thread at least until I have had the chance to place all the planned info and data here. If this cannot be adhered to I shall request moderators or admin to delete the thread. Pointless in seeing this ruined by those whom wish to backstab Dr Greer, which in turn reflects on us witnesses, in turn the whole disclosure movement.

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Kindly keep thread clear, thankyou

[lisa]

Posted by TheWatcher (here)
Me and my handlers know Dr Greer has walked the walk, talked the talk, has direct experience in this field, as does his witnesses.

Btw, who are your handlers?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

As mentioned many times on several forums.......DI (Defence Intelligence) from UK MoD

PLEASE, keep thread clear for time being, thankyou

[tone3jaguar]

Watcher, sorry that I feel the need to reply to samvado. I totally understand where you wanted this thread to go. You should once again have your specific area to work in like you did in AV1 and some admin access so that you can lock down the information threads that you would like to provide to us.

Oh boy, I can not believe that I am allowing myself to be sucked into a debate with captain thread jack (samvado). Especially after I stated that I was staying out of this kind of ridiculousness from now on. However, due to my respect for Steven Greer, here we go......

Samvado, you say you spent 2 weeks with Greer in 2007 and it only cost you 600 before a refund? Hmmm, that is interesting. I am pretty sure that if he did give 2 week excursions that it would cost more than that. Moreover, you where not satisfied and he gave you your money back? That one is a little hard to believe as well.

He does clearly state during the his trainings that he does not guarantee you will have all of your expectations met. This includes the expectation that a craft will for sure show up. If you missed that part then you where either never with him, or you where not paying attention.

You are a lifelong TM meditator and your ego is so fragile that me typing the word "if" is enough to send you off on an enraged frenzy? Yeah, that does not exactly fit either. Sorry

Fertilizer Mantra? You mean the Am Na Ma mantra? So what if you had already heard it before. Was he supposed to change his entire coaching style to fit your particular expertise or something? Dude, get over it.

The contact protocol is a watered down version of TM? I have never had any of the pay 2000 bucks for TM lessons, but I am pretty sure that they are not concise versions of the contact protocols.

Samvado, I think that it is your story that is not adding up. You have over played you hand on this one and are disrespecting an individual, The Watcher, who was a vetted whistle blower from the original disclosure project. As Bill Ryan stated after you thread jacked his Bill Deagle thread, you should really consider chilling out a little bit.

Assuming that you are clever enough to deceive everyone here into believing that you are some sort of enlightened TM master is laughable. I think you need to spend less time parked in front of a computer and more time learning how to be a happy person. Good day.

[samvado]

Posted by tone3jaguar (here)
Watcher, sorry that I feel the need to reply to samvado.

you must by now realize how childish you behave. If you provoke a response, that would never have come had you just shut up, this thead would possibly be more like thewatcher wanted it, but alas, you couldnt, you had to give in to the itch - childish.

You call me names like "thread jack" (what is that supposed to mean?) and try to intimidate me - how is that going to help you favorite psychopath Dr. Greer?
I mean, in my life I have seen all kinds of people paying respect to all kinds of extremely shady people. being german it takes one good look into history to see half a people do just that (and looking at the US - history repeats) - but I disgress.

You indeed must be very challenged if you are able to read into what I said that I am under the impression "to be some kind of enlightend TM master".
First off, TM is mostly a scam. IN 1976 (I believe it was) it was promised that doing the siddhis would ensure eternal life in the body. Maharishi just died of old age a year or so ago. While the original TM MAY BE good for relaxation it has not much to do with meditation as I understand it now. Its keeping the miind busy. So much for that.

The course did cost 700, 600 was refunded. dont take it from me, ask your favorite psycho. he surely will remember me :-)

why is he a psychopath? there are definitions describing behavioral patterns that fit the bill for the most part. he is extremly controlling, even to his immediate environment, "friends" associates and us, the participants. He talks like a psycho, using all kinds of manipulative techniques to guide a discussion (if discussion was ever possible, mostly it was monologue).
and finaly his body - build & posture indicate that mental aberation too. The typical inverted pyramid, inflated chest, underdeveloped pelvis area.
I have among other things been trained in bodyreading and NLP. I see such things.

Oh boy, I can not believe that I am allowing myself to be sucked into a debate with captain thread jack (samvado). Especially after I stated that I was staying out of this kind of ridiculousness from now on. However, due to my respect for Steven Greer, here we go......

oh boy indeed, may I suggest meditation? for you dynamic meditation, one of oshos favorites, would be best I think.

That one is a little hard to believe as well.

no need to believe, call him.

OK, I will now retreat from this childish exchange. brabble on if you like, be my guest - I think I mentioned that already...

[jaybee]

Posted by TheWatcher (here)
[B][I]I'm going to suggest, in as nice a way as possible, to kindly refrain from posting on this thread at least until I have had the chance to place all the planned info and data here. If this cannot be adhered to I shall request moderators or admin to delete the thread. Pointless in seeing this ruined by those whom wish to backstab Dr Greer, which in turn reflects on us witnesses, in turn the whole disclosure movement

Isn't the back-stabbing designed to do exactly what you have refered to above...to reflect on the
Witnesses and the whole Disclosure Project?

All the stuff directed at Greer's workshops and the direction he has taken since the historic DP, can and IS used to discredit, by association, the whole project. It is only by association that the
project can be debunked......indirectly.

When I first saw the DP I was stunned...as I'm sure many/most people were.


I've just watched the first hour again here...to refresh my memory.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe...eature=related


It's hard to know what was potential classified secret technology and what could have been ET ?

But the thing is..if ETs are coming to earth in some way...by craft or what-ever...then they must
be using some kind of inter-dimensional ? Time travel ? type method. Just regular air/space travel
would not get them here...

So it's hard to tell what could be secret technology and what could be them.

Some of the witnesses in the first hour are talking about the 1950s...and surely more exotic means of human transport would have been in it's infancy then...so this increases the possibility
that what they saw was ET...whether that be 'others' or our own kind time-traveling.

I can understand your frustration, Watcher...but NOTHING anyone says about the workshops
and whatnot...can take away the sheer quality of the actual Disclosure Project.

Cheers

[tone3jaguar]

Posted by samvado (here)
you must by now realize how childish you behave. If you provoke a response, that would never have come had you just shut up, this thead would possibly be more like thewatcher wanted it, but alas, you couldnt, you had to give in to the itch - childish.

I am pretty sure that you are attempting to use some sort of reverse psychology here to try and get me to go defensive. Nice try, I am not concerned with your judgments.

You call me names like "thread jack" (what is that supposed to mean?) and try to intimidate me - how is that going to help you favorite psychopath Dr. Greer?

Thread Jack, means that you hijack threads. I do not think that you are going to get anyone besides yourself to disagree with that. Try to intimidate you? I do not know where you picked that up from.

I mean, in my life I have seen all kinds of people paying respect to all kinds of extremely shady people. being german it takes one good look into history to see half a people do just that (and looking at the US - history repeats) - but I disgress.

That statement is so ambiguous that I can't even comprehend what it means.

You indeed must be very challenged if you are able to read into what I said that I am under the impression "to be some kind of enlightend TM master".

Perhaps you do not remember typing this...

1) I was a TM siddhi with full "fertilizers" 30 years prior

The course did cost 700, 600 was refunded. dont take it from me, ask your favorite psycho. he surely will remember me :-)

We all know that he would not respond to communication where he was being badgered about "Once upon a time did some guy blah blah blah?" Stating that we should ask him to find out is a zero risk situation for you.

he is extremly controlling, even to his immediate environment, "friends" associates and us, the participants. He talks like a psycho, using all kinds of manipulative techniques to guide a discussion (if discussion was ever possible, mostly it was monologue).

Are you describing Greer, or yourself here?

and finaly his body - build & posture indicate that mental aberation too. The typical inverted pyramid, inflated chest, underdeveloped pelvis area.
I have among other things been trained in bodyreading and NLP. I see such things.

Body type and fitness paradigm indicate mental status? He is a body builder, so what? You judge people based off of the way they look? Good luck with that.

oh boy indeed, may I suggest meditation? for you dynamic meditation, one of oshos favorites, would be best I think.

I already do daily Japa meditation. If you are reading any kind of mental instability into my communication style then perhaps you are mirroring.

[Ixopoborn]

tone3jaguar has made good rebuttal relies to samvado's earlier points in my opinion.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

OK I give in..................disclosure will wait

[two-R-one]

Posted by TheWatcher (here)
OK I give in..................disclosure will wait

why? because of someone posting in opposition? there's going to be people that disagree and people that agree--that's just the way it is in this world. It's healthy! Sam is a contrarian and keeps things well grounded (um to the extreme I might add).. abrasive and opinionated? yup! so what, it's just part of the great mix of souls.. carry on I say, and don't let the bumps in the road foul your coarse ... there is nothing wrong with seeing both sides of an issue. Sam, you should cool it with the name-calling and throwing your opinion around as fact.. that's just my opinion. I like to read your contrarian views but dude, your like a bull in a china closet that doesn't give a crap about the china.

be well everyone

[Ixopoborn]

Personally, I cant wait for things on this thread to fall to a level of calm reasoned argument. I want to hear from TheWatcher but believe he will not begin to take this thread in his intended direction until calm prevails. I hope we can agree to get to that state soon.

[tone3jaguar]

Hey Watcher, perhaps the title of this thread could be changed and archived in the off topic section so that you could start a new clean one. Sorry for adding to the muddying of this one.

[pilotsimone]

As usual, I think those on here who strongly desire to discredit Dr. Greer try way too hard.

Hopefully, this will encourage others to seek out CSETI groups in their area. I didn't attend any of Dr. Greer's outings, but have attended a local CSETI outing. Two of the people involved did attend a CSETI event w/Dr. Greer in previous years. Their stories and experiences are similar to what Tone3Jaguar has expressed already.

Our local outing produced some exciting lights and streaks that don't fit the pattern of satellites, meteors, planes, etc. Not to mention some personal sightings we've had just from our home (streaks mainly, but one lighted object that didn't move at all...except to rotate and flash lights of white and red for several minutes before disappearing).

Very exciting!

I encourage everyone interested to seek out one of these local groups. You can prove this stuff to yourself, ya know.

[kriya]

Please continue Barry.........

Love,

Kriya

[Jnana]

I've been to a week long CSETI workshop and many interesting things happened besides lights in the sky, and there were plenty of those too - definitely not your standard earth technology. As far as I'm concerned, Greer is the real deal. As I understand it, CSETI is a grass-roots approach to disclosure. Greer is still working on informing the Obama administration behind the scenes, but who knows if that will ever amount to anything. I've organized a group to show people the sorts of things I've seen and the ETs seem to be supportive of that effort - they keep showing up. It doesn't amount to a lot of people, but once you've seen for yourself, it changes how you think about this more than any amount of recorded testimony could. Such testimony is certainly valuable, I would never have gone to CSETI training without The Disclosure Project, but seeing for yourself is a big step beyond that.

The other part of disclosure, telling the truth about all the nasty things done in secret programs like The Watcher talks about, I really don't know what will help that. I suppose more people willing to think outside the box, start accepting things that people like The Watcher have to say, and stop believing the lies the government tells them, is a start.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I will resume shortly, but please lets try and get the data here first before picking holes

[Ventana]

I apologize to you Watcher as I obviously didn't understand the true intent of your thread, that is, I was unaware of your whistleblower status. I'm willing to wait for more info to be posted. As I stated in my original post I find Greer compelling and I am eager to learn more. I am new to this forum, didn't participate in PA1, though I have watched and read many of the interviews and presentations. Peace.