The Qanon posts, and associated US political analysis

[arwen]

Posted by Helene West (here)
Folks, just wanted to say good-bye.
The intrigue of Q continues. From the bottom of my heart I hope and pray we are not being royally and diabolically scammed. I wish you all the very best.

I hope and pray that too, Helene. Even though I am not an American, all that is occurring in the US now is so pivotal in terms of what I call "The Last Stand for Decency", as so many other parts of the world have been overshadowed, and the brave and good people of the US fighting and not just giving up is a sign of hope for the rest of us.

My heart goes out to you and all decent Americans.

[Hervé]

As duly requested, Helene West is now officially a "Retired member."

[Satori]

Posted by Hervé (here)
As duly requested, Helene West is now officially a "Retired member."

I guess I misread her post. I thought she was "retiring" from the Q thread, not the forum.

Here's to your good health and prosperity, Helene West. Happy trails. (And the foregoing goes for all, as well.)

edit: to correct spelling of Helene's name

[DNA]

Posted by Helene West (here)
Folks, just wanted to say good-bye.
I really have appreciated this thread and everyone who has posted.
The transition into trump thread was one of the main reasons for checking in for me as it was a wonderful substitute for legacy media but that thread is basically dead now due to turiya's choosing to leave.
Re other threads, There are those who can couch their condescension, arrogance, dishonesty and attacks on certain groups or individuals in a stylistic fashion that passes under the radar and if I respond to it with my more overt style the intervening 'moderating' is more triggered and extreme than the actual message response on my part.
But basically I spend too much time on forums anyhow whether reading or writing and there is a need for my time to be spent elsewhere.

The intrigue of Q continues. From the bottom of my heart I hope and pray we are not being royally and diabolically scammed. I wish you all the very best.

Helene is right here.

I think she has a point here that it seems okay on this forum to trash the President as long as you appear to be couching your criticism in an underhanded manner. I thought Helene was bad ass in not letting such slide under the radar and holding folks accountable for their attempted smears.

In this era where lies are believed in the news and media to such an extent that those seeking the truth are labeled negatively as "conspiracy theorists".

Helene is the most recent of the right leaning folks to have left feeling she is being unfairly muzzled by this forum.

In truth being a truth seeker means you are discovering that it is the right "at this moment" who are the ones fighting the lies that are perpetuated by the left.
If truth seekers are no longer finding themselves welcome at this forum, this forum needs to ask itself "why this is?".
Also, why was Helene allowed to "retire" so soon?

Wasn't there a cooling off period, or were the mods all to happy to let her go being as she was vocal in her beliefs?

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks DNA. I don't disagree with a thing you said. I admired Helene for standing up and expressing herself in such an intelligent manner.

And I agree with your assessment of what the right is doing "at this moment".

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by DNA (here)
Helene is the most recent of the right leaning folks to have left feeling she is being unfairly muzzled by this forum.

Marcus, no-one's being muzzled. You have no idea (of course) how I personally reached out to Helene, on 10 Sept, a month ago. I'll post that here, as I can freely share my own PMs to others.

Read this for a moment, and pause to think about it before anyone jumps to reply. The mods do communicate a lot behind the scenes.

~~~

Reaching out

Hey.

Just to let you know I'm aware you're [a little] anxious and confused and hopeful and disappointed, and sometimes all those things together. We all live in a world where there's a lot at stake, and things could possibly go very wrong for us all, and you know that.

I think I'm right about 'Q' (not that I take any credit, because there are now MANY other doubters; and I've kept very quiet myself for a long time, letting the party continue) — but in many ways I hope he really IS a military-intel insider with deep knowledge.

However, I'm afraid I really don't think that's the case. Maybe we'll all get to see, together, in time.

Meanwhile, I also want you to know I [personally] quietly support all your views on almost everything. You may understand that in my role here there's quite a lot I can't shout TOO loudly about. I have to maintain decorum, as it were, and not lead too many charges. I have to remain friends with all members, if they're good folks, whatever their views.

So, hang in there. Stay cool and be kind (if at all possible!) if you see someone posting something ridiculous. (I try to heed my own advice, but not always!) And let's all do everything we can to manifest a better world, and educate all those around us as best as we're able.

All my best, as always ~ Bill

~~~

I can't copy her reply, but she very much appreciated that. However, it didn't last.

Unfairness, sometimes, is in the mind of the person who's making themselves a victim. Self-righteousness radiated from Helene's parting shot; I'll say that clearly here.

She's retired, not banned, but she may by her own words benefit from a break. This arena can be addictive, as I pointed out back on 14 February.

And, do note: addictions rarely benefit the addict.

One wants to live in an adult world? Then one should be an adult. And being an adult has nothing to do with age.

If an adult screws up, or has a bad day, or is under complex inner pressure (and some members have been: many sharing their feelings here are very anxious about the future, for every understandable reason) — then take full responsibility for it, be the best you can be, and move on.

Everyone has bad days, or even may feel that bad things have happened to them. It's how we bounce back from that the day after, that matters.

[Jayke]

Another one bites the dust! — and no, I’m not referring to Helene’s request for departure (hope to see you back at some point Helene, really enjoyed your passion for truth and upstanding defence for fairness, you’ll be missed!) — I’m actually referring to the other surprise announcement of the day, Nikki Haley, resigning from her post as UN Ambassador.

https://www.rt.com/usa/440773-trump-...i-resignation/

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cl6BezjaYhI

The Donmeister introduces Haley’s resignation by saying, “we’ve just been through one hurricane, and another hurricane is on its way”

The Anons are going to have a field day with that one (The storm is coming!)

There’s only speculation as to why she’s chosen to resign at the moment, but it’ll be interesting to see who takes her place, or what change in foreign relations will be brought about by her replacement, as she fully steps down by the end of the year.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

According to George Webb, (takes a minute to start)
* Nikki Haley was running a spy ring in the U.N.
*A Russian has now replaced the role Epstein was playing
*Since Justice Dept lawyer has now come forward with info about RR wearing a wire, RR can no longer say it was a joke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1WtGTLVYWX4

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Jayke (here)
Nikki Haley, resigning from her post as UN Ambassador.

Well I'll be danged.

[ThePythonicCow]

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More on Oct 9, 2018

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#370

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 10/09/18 (Tue) 10:14:53 No.370

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-amer...ump-not-a-joke
https://saraacarter.com/former-top-f...cording-trump/
BOOM
_____BOOM
__________BOOM
_______________BOOM
Coincidence the news today is focused on a resignation?
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#371

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 10/09/18 (Tue) 15:21:14 No.371

>>297 .. [[ Previously dropped image of Feinstein's car parked in China. -Paul. ]]
No. 297 - where was this picture taken?
Hanging of flags traditional/occurs in this part of the country for what holiday?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...in-u-s-telecom
"Western intelligence contacts that the device was made at a Supermicro subcontractor factory in Guangzhou, a port city in southeastern China. Guangzhou is 90 miles upstream from Shenzhen, dubbed the `Silicon Valley of Hardware,’"
What state does [Feinstein] represent?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.f0be11930e64
GOOG & CHINA
https://theintercept.com/2018/10/09/...search-engine/
Dragonfly
Look HERE [RUSSIA]
DO NOT LOOK HERE [CHINA]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeVrMniBjSc
Worth 43 minutes of your time.
ALL [INSIDE] ROADS TO CHINA ARE BEING CLOSED.
AMERICA IS NO LONGER FOR SALE.
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#372

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 10/09/18 (Tue) 15:41:49 No.372

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/he...sts-2018-10-09
Increase ethanol [corn] concentration in gasoline >>> effort to combat CHINA's attempts to harm our farmers.
[Announcement Tonight]
Q

Added three hours later, on Oct 9, 2018

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3412772.html#3412993

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 10/09/18 (Tue) 16:19:44 d3824b (1) No.3412993

>>3219413 .. [[ Link to 8ch post with Chinese Auto License Plate images. -Paul. ]]
Guangdong = Guangzhou = Shenzhen?
Do you believe in coincidences?
Q

[ThePythonicCow]

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Yet One More (but a big one) on Oct 9, 2018

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#373

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 10/09/18 (Tue) 20:42:13 No.373

Statement release 10.9.18 [p_AUTHORITY1]
General Statement:
We understand that there is extreme fatigue and frustration re: the wheels of justice [slow].
Exclude emotion and personal desire, instead use logic and critical thinking based on situational awareness [undo a lifetime of evil & corruption [infestation] in the span of less than 2 years w/ a corrupt DOJ & FBI in place?].
[Process & Planning – Law and Order]
[Military OP]
How can you make arrests [non military] prior to first fully cleaning out corrupt elements [at the top] of those departments [FBI][DOJ] that oversee ‘investigation & prosecution’ in the United States [they [themselves] are the very ones engaged in the illegal treasonous acts]?
James Comey, Director – FIRED
Andrew McCabe, Deputy Director - FIRED
Jim Rybicki, Chief of Staff and Senior Counselor – FIRED
James Baker, General Counsel – FIRED
Bill Priestap, Director of Counterintelligence (Strzok’s boss) – Cooperating witness [power removed]
Peter Strzok, Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence – FIRED
Lisa Page, Office of General Counsel – FIRED/FORCED
Mike Kortan, Assistant Director for Public Affairs – FIRED
Josh Campbell, Special Assistant to Comey – FIRED
David Laufman, Chief of the Justice Department’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section [NAT SEC - HRC email invest] - FIRED/FORCE
John Carlin, Assistant Attorney General – Head of DOJ’s National Security Division - FIRED/FORCED
Sally Yates, Deputy Attorney General & Acting Attorney General - FIRED
Mary McCord, Acting Assistant Attorney General – Acting Head of DOJ’s National Security Division - FIRED/FORCED
Bruce Ohr, Associate Deputy Attorney General – Demoted 2x - cooperating witness [power removed] - TERMINATION IMMINENT
Rachel Brand, Associate Attorney General – No. 3 official behind Deputy AG Rosenstein - FIRED/FORCED
[Batter’s Box]
Michael Steinbach
John Glacalone
Randy Coleman
Trisha Anderson
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/f...-weddings.html
Kevin Clinesmith
Tashina Gauhar
Sally Moyer
How do you ensure those prosecuted [non military] would receive an impartial judgement based on the RULE OF LAW?
Think Federal Judge rulings [obstruction] [POTUS’ granted CONSTITUTIONAL authority].
How do you ensure 'appeals' to the U.S. Supreme Court are evaluated impartially > based on the RULE OF LAW?
Think Justice K (5 to 4).
Military Law v Criminal Law
“Enemy Combatant”
How do you navigate around installed BLOCKADE?
[MUELLER] designed to take-in evidence needed to ‘expose’ DS [DOJ block re: Mueller ‘evidence’ ongoing investigation].
[MUELLER] designed to limit POTUS’ ability to maneuver.
[MUELLER] designed to ‘stall-for-time’ until MIDTERM ELECTIONS to TERMINATE all HOUSE / SENATE ongoing investigations.
[MUELLER] designed to ‘safeguard’ D_PARTY_BASE false narrative re: RUSSIA COLLUSION [POTUS CHEATED – EVIL – SKY FALLING] in effort to DIVIDE and MOBILIZE for future protests, riots, threats, violence, FF’s, etc.
[MUELLER] designed to provide FAKE NEWS w/ ammunition to sway public opinion, obstruct foreign + domestic agenda, fuel impeachment/removal, fuel anti-POTUS [DIVISION] [prevent UNITY], etc..
[MUELLER] designed to demonstrate to foreign players that OLD GUARD still pulls strings.
[MUELLER] designed to mobilize D_PARTY for MIDTERM VOTE WIN.
[MUELLER] designed to push D_PARTY backers to DONATE [GOFUNDME – D_PARTY].
[MUELLER] designed as PUBLIC OUTCRY EXCUSE should criminal charges be brought against them [‘we are being ‘politically’ attacked because MUELLER…].
How do you REMOVE installed BLOCKADE?
DECLAS—DECLAS—DECLAS
How do you navigate around installed corrupt [FBI][DOJ]?
USE A STEALTH BOMBER
Who must authorize firing of FBI/DOJ officials?
Why did McCabe try to take SESSIONS out?
https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-...71576?v=raila&
What was the SESSIONS SENATE CONF VOTE?
52-47
No. 175
Logical thinking v clickbait.
Q

[ThePythonicCow]

This Anon comment on the above long Q drop is pretty good.

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3418054.html#3418894

Anonymous 10/09/18 (Tue) 21:57:30 158678 (1) No.3418894

The last post is well timed.
Although it is mostly for the later arrivals, there are some interesting bits in there.
We already knew that MK's [[ sic - should be BK. -Paul. ]] nomination was a key move to allay a hung SCOTUS prior to declass.
The timing for maximum impact is important. Too soon and it could lose momentum, too late it won't gain sufficient traction.
Note how at each rally DJT is more and more equating the Dims to crime. The pill is already being sugar coated for easier mass consumption.
Tonight he made an aside something like "You wouldn't believe the things you know as President.", followed by "The Dims are the party of crime.".
Mueller's given intents have all been circumvented - but is he also the stealth bomber? Q is suggesting that Sessions is.
He must keep them guessing and on edge. Watching and waiting for the perfect time to strike, hence the stop/start nature of things.
Constant and building pressure from many angles of attack takes its toll.
HRC has panicked and completely shown her hand and will go down fighting, which is playing directly into the plan.
The guilty know exactly what they are guilty of but cannot be sure who is saying what to whom.
As much as some view this as only entertainment, remember they are literally fighting for their lives.
This is not a game Anon's. Stay the course.

[Praxis]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Helene West (here)
Folks, just wanted to say good-bye.
I really have appreciated this thread and everyone who has posted.
The transition into trump thread was one of the main reasons for checking in for me as it was a wonderful substitute for legacy media but that thread is basically dead now due to turiya's choosing to leave.
Re other threads, There are those who can couch their condescension, arrogance, dishonesty and attacks on certain groups or individuals in a stylistic fashion that passes under the radar and if I respond to it with my more overt style the intervening 'moderating' is more triggered and extreme than the actual message response on my part.
But basically I spend too much time on forums anyhow whether reading or writing and there is a need for my time to be spent elsewhere.

The intrigue of Q continues. From the bottom of my heart I hope and pray we are not being royally and diabolically scammed. I wish you all the very best.

Helene is right here.

I think she has a point here that it seems okay on this forum to trash the President as long as you appear to be couching your criticism in an underhanded manner. I thought Helene was bad ass in not letting such slide under the radar and holding folks accountable for their attempted smears.

In this era where lies are believed in the news and media to such an extent that those seeking the truth are labeled negatively as "conspiracy theorists".

Helene is the most recent of the right leaning folks to have left feeling she is being unfairly muzzled by this forum.

In truth being a truth seeker means you are discovering that it is the right "at this moment" who are the ones fighting the lies that are perpetuated by the left.
If truth seekers are no longer finding themselves welcome at this forum, this forum needs to ask itself "why this is?".
Also, why was Helene allowed to "retire" so soon?

Wasn't there a cooling off period, or were the mods all to happy to let her go being as she was vocal in her beliefs?

The entire way you are framing this seems to be exactly what the American Corporate Imperium wants.

It was easy to be on Avalon, seeing as it started in 2010, and be against the system because it was a democrat, or the left in your framing of the situation, that was running the empire and leading us to a moral decline. How quickly the people here forget Bush Cheney years. Some of us have been against the system that you saw during obama since it was the system underlying Bush. Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, LBJ, and Eisenhower.

Notice the nice mix there of "left" and "right" in that list. To me they are all trying to crush the Union. The E Pluribus Unum. The Liberty, Equality, and Justice for ALL idea. And they all have.

And since the Patriot Act and NDAA of 2001, we have been on an accelerating pace regardless of the deme that is in control.

In this Era it is hard, you say?
get a time machine. Go to 2004 and try to convince people 9-11 truth. Do you even remember that time and what it was like? Seriously. In this Era? HA!


Do you not get it? Your Dude is the president now. Your dude is THE MAN. This great truth you are fighting for has a champion in the White House. What has it gotten us?

Lets examine the truth you are seeking(I would imagine as these are some of my pressing areas I would like re examined in an official capacity):

9-11 truth = Exposed?
JFK truth = Exposed?
RFK truth = Exposed?
JFK Jr truth = exposed?
Depleted Uranium = Exposed?
Franklin Scandal = Exposed?
Federal Reserve Audited = Done?
Disclosure = Done?
Torture Program = Exposed(in the sense we are officially pro torture)!
DOD and HUD $21 Trillion mission = Exposed?


Also, Which president was it that did not hold the CIA to the law and have them release all the JFK assassination files unredacted?
Which party started this whole global war on terrorism based on falsehoods?

Now it seems to me that if any one of these areas was truly examined again, it would be a bad day for the Swamp critters as this thread is actually about.

Do not mistake me DNA, I am not trying to excuse or say that "the left", whatever that really means anyway, and their crimes.

You, as a well researched individual, are aware of LBJ crimes. You know of Obamas many failings. My level of contempt for those you call "the left" matches yours DNA, i promise you. But I am sad to see you using the very language that they want you to.

I do not understand how well researched individuals fall so heavily for the tribal games of left and right.


Let us learn from history and not repeat the mistakes of the past and fall into tribesBlues vs Green

[DNA]

Posted by Praxis (here)

The entire way you are framing this seems to be exactly what the American Corporate Imperium wants.

I've read your post and I can see what you are saying.

But the difference being Trump isn't really a Republican in the classic sense of the word, I mean look how the deep state did that dog and pony show with George W. Bush coming out and denouncing him.

Instead of focusing on Democrat vs Republican, focus on the deep state.

It's us against the deep state.

The deep state hates Trump.

Trump is my friend.

[Ratszinger]

Posted by Jayke (here)
Another one bites the dust! — and no, I’m not referring to Helene’s request for departure (hope to see you back at some point Helene, really enjoyed your passion for truth and upstanding defence for fairness, you’ll be missed!) — I’m actually referring to the other surprise announcement of the day, Nikki Haley, resigning from her post as UN Ambassador.

https://www.rt.com/usa/440773-trump-...i-resignation/

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cl6BezjaYhI

The Donmeister introduces Haley’s resignation by saying, “we’ve just been through one hurricane, and another hurricane is on its way”

The Anons are going to have a field day with that one (The storm is coming!)

There’s only speculation as to why she’s chosen to resign at the moment, but it’ll be interesting to see who takes her place, or what change in foreign relations will be brought about by her replacement, as she fully steps down by the end of the year.

The day of the meeting I did a Rune cast to just see what it would tell me. No add lib here it's just what the Runes mean in the cast according to how they landed, the position they landed in and the symbol presented. I found it interesting that they predicted a surprise involving a woman. Anyway, I do casts for a lot of things daily just 'checking' and rarely talk about them but this one is getting interesting.

Lagu, Nied, and Rad , Tir

Rosenstein readings this one about him and Trump on the plane.
Runes say
Lagu immediate past
Teacher meets student. Some acting going on here. Questions of whether feelings are reciprocated. Molding to any shape to fit the need on one or both player's parts. Denotes a important woman in one's life, the one on the learning end, harsh lessons having to do with the negative aspect of sacrifice appearing to indicate betrayal by nearest and dearest on some level. Betrayal of one's own intuition is also showing strongly here. Over stressing both mental and physical abilities to continue. This Rune represents Friday usually according to what the Runes say if I read correctly last Friday. the fifth of Oct.. The one learning the harsh lessons has believed his own BS or gone against advice! Is into something now they have no aptitude for. Warns that this matter will not and cannot go undetected. Temptation to take easy way out will not succeed and the stronger, wiser one of the two that is schooling the other has now made the weaker his 'bitch' for future political favors. It strongly suggest a treachery from a woman that brought this out and this is usually someone close to the querent or subject of the inquiry. It often means a romantic or fling interest.

Nied
Another teacher Rune. Having to do with all learning and all teachings going on on Tues. As this Rune reps Tues. Has to do with 'comeuppance' something both a punishment and a consequence of the weaker one's own actions. Now the weaker will be treated the way he was treating others and will be called to make amends this way unless he decides being servant now to the stronger wiser is uncomfortable in which case the weaker pays his debt to society in another way. Speaks of making haste slowly! Suggests events have to work themselves out in their own time. Delays, constraints, limits, but problem about to be solved. Not lucky for love affairs. Again showing involvement of a woman in this close to the subject of the inquiry, close to the situation or both. Lack of success indicated for one, victory for the stronger.

Rad
Agreements can be reached but indicates something foreign and unexpected to come up or reveal self on Wed if I read correctly as this Rune reps Wed.. Someone controlled by another force, forced to make amends by becoming the servant or gopher of the other. Rad indicates strongly this is not what it appears to be on the surface at all. Screams of foreign and unexpected surprise imminent.

Tir
Overall tone speaks of Victory in a war for a cause, signifies strength of will, involvement in a project or ideal which systematically breaks down all barriers that threaten completion of the task.

[mgray]

How playing 5-D chess with FISA DECLAS to get Canada to sign a new trade deal may mean we will not see most of the documents unredacted.

[mountain_jim]

Well I can relate to how Neon Revolt is seeing things about now, and desire some major DECLAS to see some real progress in waking normies up...

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/10/1...ng-neonrevolt/

You want me to think about this logically, Q? Logically, I almost feel like my intelligence is being insulted every time I read one of the drops along these lines of this RR thing.

Look. It’s hard for me to get emotionally invested in this particular issue at this point (which is partially why I’ve consistently taken the contrarian position here) and the only thing I want right now is this:

I just want it to be over already.

I almost don’t care about the details any more. I don’t care if I’m right or if I’m wrong. I don’t care how Rod and Bob go. I just want them gone.

Still, I think there’s a bit of a misunderstanding here when Q says: “We understand that there is extreme fatigue and frustration re: the wheels of justice [slow].”

For me, personally, it’s not the amount of time that’s involved in any of this that’s got me a bit let down. I’m very patient, and very deliberate. I can endure for the long-haul.

It’s the combo of the disinfo, combined with the disappointment from the predicted “booms” that never seem to culminate in any measurable gains that make me want to throw up my hands and go, “Whatever!” and… honestly, wash my hands walk away from NEON REVOLT and QAnon forever.

With the rate of progress we’re seeing, some cynical part of me is wondering if I should just tune out until after the Midterm elections.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know “things are happening.” I know Swamp Underling No. 64 is slated for yet another closed-door Congressional committee sixteen-to-thirty-five weeks from now. Someone in DC will crack open a partially-unredacted fortune cookie somewhere, and it will make headlines for a week.

But Q. You said on Sunday this was going to be [BOOM Week].

It’s already Wednesday.

I didn’t see any booms on Monday or Tuesday, and the only thing I’m seeing on the horizon that could even possibly equate to a Bang (let alone a Boom) is RR’s testimony on Thursday.

In other words, Disinfo + Disappointment = Disillusion.

That’s what you guys over there at the White House are sensing. It’s not mere impatience or fatigue, though delay does exacerbate all that.

It’s a deeper kind of cynicism. I know I’ve certainly been feeling it, especially as whoever on QTeam took over posting as Q has taken it upon themselves to serve up dozens of links to the normiesphere every day, offering us little more than what we could find for ourselves by visiting FoxNews.com, or Drudge every day. (God, that task alone – forcing us to read yet another screed by some journalist who has had all the personality sucked out of their writing by years in journalism school – is enough to make me not want to come back until after Midterms). And honestly, #Anons would find this stuff anyway.

Last week, with Kav getting nominated? That was truly a Boom Week, and everyone could feel it. That was when we finally saw some progress being made and good guys scoring.

[Praxis]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Praxis (here)

The entire way you are framing this seems to be exactly what the American Corporate Imperium wants.

I've read your post and I can see what you are saying.

But the difference being Trump isn't really a Republican in the classic sense of the word, I mean look how the deep state did that dog and pony show with George W. Bush coming out and denouncing him.

Instead of focusing on Democrat vs Republican, focus on the deep state.

It's us against the deep state.

The deep state hates Trump.

Trump is my friend.

Yes I completely agree trump is not really republican.

Marcus. You did not read my post well enough then if you think I am not already focusing on the deep state.

In fact, most of my post was exactly about how YOU are actually focusing on the left right, while I am focusing on the deep state.

The Deep State Runs Guantanamo Bay and Trump is expanding it.

The Deep state tortures people and Trump made Her head of CIA.

THe CIA has not been disbanded. Trump continues to praise them

The Deep State did 9-11. Trump is ignoring this issue.

The Deep State wants project blue beam or some pseudo alien invasion. Trump is creating Space force for them to sell it.

The Deep State Killed JFK. Trump let them continue to hid the documents they were supposed to release.

The Deep State wants to keep giving weapons to Saudi Arabia and Israel. Trump has continued to allow this( yes i know it didnt start with him but it also hasnt stopped with him.)

The Deep State wants us involved in Syria. We are.

The Deep State wanted the Embassy in Jerusalem. Trump did it.

The Deep State wants us to Attack Iran. We are moving towards that if you believe the twitter things I posted in one thread about this(despite Nikki haley resigning to stay ahead of corruption charges)

You know what Bush and Trump have in common? John Bolton.

Jesus it is frustrating trying to interact and exchange ideas the people here.

Consider this DNA. You are basing your world view( apparently because of the example you used) based on the soap opera part of the media facade.

" I mean look how the deep state did that dog and pony show with George W. Bush coming out and denouncing him. " I want everybody to notice the LACK of actual policy discussion here.

Note that my critiques have been and continue to be actual government policy that is being implemented as we speak.



Trump is a placebo. So is Q. A nice placebo so you can pretend you are being (Q)uixotic.
Remember
FuTUrE PRoVEs PaST

[Jayke]

New Article from LaRouchePac, discussing the Mike Pence speech on China, which Q has been directing us to watch. They do a good job of picking apart some of the deep state dynamics in this article, to show some of the different factions at play within Trumps admin, along with a potential answer for why Nikki Haley recently resigned.

• https://larouchepac.com/20181009/mik...mice-will-play

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Mike Pence's Dumb Ass Speech on China: When the Cat is Away, the Mice will Play

Mike Pence gave a speech about China on October 4, 2018 which has received widespread international press coverage as representing a new hardline approach to relationships between the U.S. and China. It was even characterized in some overcharged quarters as the opening of a “New Cold War” although the speech itself hardly lives up to that inflamed billing. Analysts also should have learned by now that it is Donald Trump who runs American foreign policy, and, anything that Mike Pence or his ilk proclaim is subject to very rapid change.

As Pence’s missive was being delivered, the President was traveling to rallies throughout the United States in an all-out effort to halt the British inspired coup against him, the actual issue in the 2018 Midterm elections. He was also in a life or death battle over a seat in the U.S. Supreme Court—a battle implicating whether or not the nation itself descends into the sexual McCarthyite madness of the “Me-Too” movement. Many have rightly characterized the battle over the Kavanaugh nomination as a dry run for the battle over impeachment which will be launched if the Democrats win the House.

Pence, along with other old-school tools of the Washington-Wall Street-London neo-con axis, like the now canned Niki Haley, have adopted a strategy toward the President which involves endless preening, unabashed flattery, and feigned loyalty. For that, both have earned the moniker “toadies-in-chief,” from the legacy U.S. news media. All of this sycophantic fawning conceals the naked ambition of their own Presidential aspirations. Pence believes he was ordained by God to become President of the United States. Both Haley and Pence have a history of working aggressively to undermine Trump’s most significant initiatives, in this case, Trump’s relationship with China’s President Xi Jinping. For that, both Pence and Haley rightly earned speculation in Washington D.C.’s gossip circuit, that either or both were the “anonymous senior official” who claimed in a September 5, 2018 Opinion piece in the New York Times to be running a coup against the President on behalf of the “Resistance.” They got about equal billing as the probable “Anonymous” with Pence’s good friend, Dan Coats, the current Director of National Intelligence.

Despite the hideous coup against him, based on Trump’s desire for a decent relationship with Russia, and endlessly being fed “Washington Consensus” gruel about how China, rather than London and Wall Street, is the source of American economic misery, Trump has, until now, stuck to his guns concerning his desire for positive relations with both Russia and China. Now, Pence has gone for the jugular, so to speak, wildly claiming that China is intervening in the U.S. elections directly for the purpose of removing Trump from the Presidency. Helga Zepp LaRouche has often commented that what the British and the Neo-Con and Neo-Liberal America establishment ascribe to the Chinese is very often simply their own aspirations and behavior. This is definitely at work in this particular case.

The task of thinking people throughout the world should be to allow the President to see the potential for making the biggest deal of all, the deal for world economic prosperity under a revived New Bretton Woods monetary system in which money serves the purpose of the physical economic development of the nations of the earth, rather than the imperial needs of empire. As Vladimir Putin has correctly observed, it is foolish for other nations to directly respond to the great internal battle taking place within the United States. Instead they should be elaborating and finding the flanks which will benefit all human development. Trump really wants to build America anew. He really wants huge new infrastructure projects. He really wants sound bilateral relationships between sovereign nation states. Those concerned about human survival should do everything they can to oblige him.

For an international audience it is important to put some context on these events in the United States. First, regarding the Vice-President and the Vice-Presidency. For most recent American administrations, this post is a compromise involving the pragmatics necessary to win elections within partisan political parties. Think about Ronald Reagan, who desired to do some really revolutionary things, like Lyndon LaRouche’s Strategic Defense Initiative. Reagan made a deal with that rotten Republican faction headed by George H.W. Bush, who pretty much destroyed the potential of the Reagan presidency after the Anglo-Dutch imperialists had the President shot. Reagan did the deal because he needed the Bush electoral machinery to win election. Or, take the pairing of Al Gore and Bill Clinton. Gore pretty much sabotaged every genuine Clinton effort directed toward the good of the world, personally sabotaging, for example, face to face meetings between President Bill Clinton and Russia’s Yevgeny Primakov at a most propitious moment for strategic breakthroughs. As Lyndon LaRouche repeatedly emphasizes, pragmatism is what kills any ability for humankind to truly advance. All such deals involve compromises of fundamental principles which, more likely than not, will come back to haunt the dealmaker. Such deadly mistakes are typical of partisan politics and revulsion about them is why a huge sentiment is currently sweeping the United States seeking the end of both political parties and the birth of a politics based solely on principle.

Donald Trump ran an unprecedented campaign for the Presidency as a Republican, but, in reality, as an independent. Both the Republican and Democratic establishments opposed him, with as much ferocity as they could summon. But, as Lyndon LaRouche emphasized when the returns rolled in, the American population, along with other populations internationally, were in revolt against the political establishment which repeatedly sold them out economically and sent them into genocidal wars. In the U.S., Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton told them they had never had it so good, that manufacturing would never come back in the United States, that their future was in the bread and circuses decadent society which had produced massive poverty, an opium epidemic killing hundreds every day, and unprecedented suicide rates, while the very rich continued to get, well, very rich. The traditional Republican Party offered the very same poisonous recipes. Donald Trump promised peace with Russia and China, a return of the U.S. full-set economy, including a modern infrastructure platform, Glass Steagall banking separation, what he called the “American system” of political economy, and a return to space exploration. The adherents of the old system in 2016 never really had a chance, despite what the pundits and prognosticators forecast from within their self-satisfied, arrogant fish bowls.

Mike Pence faced a probable loss in his 2016 re-election effort to be Indiana’s governor and originally endorsed Ted Cruz for President. When Trump destroyed the extant Republican Party bench in the primaries, Pence endorsed Trump and avidly sought the Vice-Presidency. He almost jumped ship when the Billy Bush, sexual misconduct tape emerged, flirting with forcing Trump’s withdrawal and substituting himself as President. Pence also ran the entire Trump transition, stacking the President’s cabinet and significant political appointments with neo-Con and establishment allies, like his good friend Dan Coats as Director of National Intelligence. These people not only oppose Donald Trump. They hate him—particularly his determination to end globalism and forge productive relationships with Russia and China, an existential threat to the swamp in which they live.

Pence is a Christian-Zionist, a very significant power base within the Republican Party which is crucial to mobilizing the evangelical vote. He also enjoyed ready access to major Republican donors, including those, like Sheldon Adelson, aligned with the Christian-Zionists, and David Koch, whose networks played a major role in financing Pence’s entire career. Such donors are currently critical to winning a Presidential election in the United States. And, like all such pragmatic compromises, Trump made it to win the election and to form a government. Although Trump is said to have characterized Pence as the Vice-President from “central casting,” he has also reportedly characterized him as slow and “dumb” behind closed doors. Pence’s October 4th performance certainly supports the assessment.

Pence gave his speech at the Hudson Institute, which was certainly not an accident. The Hudson Institute was founded by Herman Kahn, the foremost proponent of the insane belief in winnable nuclear war. The Institute has honored Pence with awards. It has gone through several transitions since Kahn and others propounded their doctrines for killing most of the human race, even moving to Pence’s Indiana at a certain low point in its financial trajectory. Following the events of September 11, 2001, it became the Washington, D.C. bastion of the neo-conservatives and Straussians who populated the Bush-Cheney Administration. These are the creeps and overt Satanists who led the United States into repeated wars in the Middle East under the banner of British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s Nazi slogan, “The Responsibility to Protect.” Scooter Libby, for example, is its senior Vice-President. President Trump has called these ventures, including the wars in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, which murdered hundreds of thousands, the biggest foreign policy mistakes in U.S. history. Hudson receives significant funding from CIA and Defense Department related foundations, such as Bradley, as well as from those agencies themselves. It is also funded by the government of Taiwan.

The Irony of the Michael Pillsbury and Stefan Halper Being Considered “China Experts”

In his remarks at Hudson, Pence singled out Hudson “scholar” Michael Pillsbury for praise. Pillsbury currently leads the Center for Chinese Strategy at Hudson, a constant font of hate against everything China does or is doing. Like Pence, Pillsbury cultivated Trump by aggressively moving to join the Administration soon after the Republican presidential primaries. Recently, Pillsbury has been regularly appearing on television channels the President watches, such as Fox, to launch acid attacks on the Chinese while claiming that the Chinese respect and honor the President. He says, the Chinese use the Mandarin term for “big brains,” or “brainy” to describe Trump. How he knows this is not really explained but that is true of most of Pillsbury’s alleged scholarship about China. He tells endless stories on the shakiest foundations, many of which have served as the foundation for billions of dollars in Pentagon expenditures on otherwise very dubious projects. And he has been doing this for a very long time.

Pillsbury claims that he played a starring role in the late 1970s and early 1980s openings to China, earning the notice of then candidate Ronald Reagan by advocating direct military ties with China. An advocate of Kissinger’s form of geopolitics and a member of Britain’s nefarious International Institute for Strategic Studies, Pillsbury envisioned using extant tensions between the Soviet Union and China at that time, to serve as a major force in destroying the viability of the Soviet bloc. According to his own website, he played a role in providing advanced U.S. defense technologies to China on the bargain that they would pursue the U.S. assigned use for them against the Soviets, as part of a covert plan by the Reagan Administration to collapse the Soviet bloc. These arms sales included new torpedoes, upgrades for jet fighters, and advanced electronics. He also claims to have played a most significant role in providing Stinger missiles to the Afghan Mujahideen. These groupings, of course, included Osama Bin Laden. Pillsbury also claims he played a major role in founding the National Endowment for Democracy and the United States Institute for Peace, the font for various U.S. covert regime change operations throughout the world.

Pillsbury also cultivated a deep friendship with Mohammed Hammoud, the front man for the notorious BCCI bank of drugs, terrorism, and money laundering, which almost sank his career. According to reports, Pillsbury met with Hammoud on numerous occasions and took funding from him, a situation which landed his boss at the time, Senator Orin Hatch, in an ethics investigation. Not to belabor the point of the rancid Michael Pillsbury being sold to Donald Trump as someone he can trust, it was Robert Mueller, then chief of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Department of Justice, who obstructed and blocked BCCI’s final and very much deserved criminal reckoning by the Justice Department.

Following the BCCI fiasco, Pillsbury went to work for Andy Marshall at the Defense Department’s Office of Net Assessments, which was spending a major part of its time concocting the idea that China represented an unrecognized mortal threat to the United States. Pillsbury joined what was called the B Team of China hawks, people who otherwise inhabited the Committee on the Present Danger of Robert Kagan, Paul Wolfowitz and other Neanderthals and Trump-haters, who successively got the United States involved in Iraq and other endless wars in the Middle East, the same wars the President has rightly and righteously condemned.

As reported by Sojoung Ho in the Washington Monthly of July 2006, under the title “Panda Slugger”:

“The Wall Street Journal took notice of Pillsbury [in 2005] in a front-page story that described him as ‘one of the Pentagon’s most influential advisers on China, with a direct line to many of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s top aides.’ The story observed that China, too, has been ‘keeping tabs on Mr. Pillsbury.’ For good reason: Thanks in part to Pillsbury’s influence, the Pentagon’s 2006 Quadrennial Defense Review, or QDR–the blueprint for future defense strategy and spending–identifies China as the nation with ‘the greatest potential to compete militarily with the United States.’ And the Pentagon’s most recent annual report to Congress on China’s military contains passages that appear to be lifted directly out of Pillsbury’s writings, including warnings of “asymmetric programs” in the works. This can get expensive. The Wall Street Journal recently reported ‘the Pentagon now cites China as justification for a range of proposed procurements, most notably a new, multibillion-dollar long-range bomber program.’”

“While Pillsbury has achieved prominence within the Defense Secretary’s office,” Ho continued, “many defense experts within the military, government agencies, and universities reject his scholarship as tendentious at best, and their professional distaste is heightened by personal dislike. ‘Brilliant’ and ‘charming’ are words frequently used by acquaintances to describe Pillsbury, but so are ‘combative,’ ‘conspiratorial,’ and ‘ruthless.’ His career has been one of numerous short-lived jobs, at least three dismissals, and a revoked security clearance.”

Pillsbury’s latest book is called The One Hundred Year Marathon. In it, he claims that the Chinese, above all, are masters of deception and that Chinese military strategy is drawn from its Warring States Period, a period of pre-unification strife more than 2,300 years ago. He says, that as opposed to most Western analysts, he has cultivated relations with nationalist factions in the Peoples’ Liberation Army who have provided him with unique access to their views and strategies. He claims that these masters of deception have told him, a recognized China hater of some years standing, their secret plan for becoming the world hegemon by the year 2049, the hundredth anniversary of the Chinese Revolution. He claims that Xi Jinping is covertly such a nationalist and deceiver. The reason he says the Chinese bequeathed their master plan upon him was to use him to enhance their status in China. As they say in the game of outright scams, if you believe that, I have a bridge I can sell you.

The other side of China bashing, inherited by this President, is the neo-liberal version. As opposed to Pillsbury who leads the neo-con tribe, the neo-liberals have been led by one Stefan Halper. Halper’s Defense Department and British intelligence work includes a book, The Beijing Consensus: Legitimizing Authoritarianism in Our Time. It is to be noted that when not laying out how to geopolitically isolate and contain China, Halper worked for the British and the CIA to set up volunteers for the Trump presidential campaign on British soil, fabricating the leads which led to the unprecedented FBI counterintelligence investigation of Donald Trump’s campaign and the illegal Robert Mueller investigation of the Trump Administration.

Pence's Speech

In his speech, Pence gives vast lip service to Donald Trump’s friendship with Xi Jinping and the long history of U.S./China friendship, while attempting to escalate the present trade dispute between the two countries into exactly the type of geopolitical confrontation the President condemns. The President states emphatically that the United States is not going to tell other nations how to live. Yet, Pence takes up exactly and extensively, the hypocritical human rights and democracy promotion themes endlessly spun as the pillars of U.S. regime change operations. In the runup to this speech, Pence and Congressional allies arranged arms sales to Taiwan, also inflaming that very sensitive issue.

The second major theme struck by Pence is the trade dispute between the U.S. and China. There is no question but that U.S. companies exported major U.S. jobs to China and Asia, seeking the cheapest source of labor under the inhuman regime called “globalism” and “free trade.” Under the plan for the world economy crafted by the British and their U.S. satraps in the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations in the early 1980s, their export of U.S. jobs and major strategic parts of the U.S. economy were part of a plan for “controlled disintegration” of the advanced sector economies. The U.S. was to become a post-industrial service and consumer economy, while China and other nations were to be brought up to the fixed rates of production once enjoyed by the United States, but no further. In effect, the extant supply chain of the world’s economy was outsourced throughout the world, wherever the price of labor was the cheapest. What this conspiracy of idiots failed to recognize is that any fixed mode of production or technology will ultimately fail and collapse because it disobeys the fundamental physical laws of the universe. Successful economies must enjoy high rates of technological progress and fundamental scientific breakthroughs to be sustainable over a period of generations. Otherwise they die through technological attrition.

Thus, while Pence, Pillsbury, Peter Navarro, Steve Bannon, and other dim-witted fools paint China as a ruthless pirate, who stole America’s future and continues to do so, the reality is that the City of London and Wall Street and their free trade and post-industrial madness are the actual culprits. Further, continued adherence to the present monetarist regimes of Wall Street and the City of London and their globalist prescriptions is about to make the situation even worse, as the bloated debt bubble accumulated since the 2008 collapse teeters on the edge of explosion. And that presents the danger of bringing every nation down. As Hermann Kahn’s fellows at the Rand Corporation meticulously proved, Hitler’s war machine failed because it expanded its economy only laterally and cannibalized its labor force in a genocide. In this trade dispute, some, in both China and the United States seem to view computer technologies, artificial intelligence, biotechnology, and robotics as the crown jewels of the realm. But these prized, allegedly future technologies are only linear and lateral extensions of existing technologies and known scientific principles. They have existed in the bill of materials of the United States for some years and have utterly failed to produce significant advances in productivity.

The urgent question posed in the U.S./China trade dispute is how full set economies can be built in both countries such that they are self-sufficient and can reproduce their populations at the highest levels of development, as specified by Lyndon LaRouche. What does it matter if the United States gets more of the world-wide supply chain back, if it is based on an old mode of production and does not result in the fundamental advances in productivity necessary to actually jumpstart the economy? Fusion energy, space exploration, basic science at the very frontiers of human knowledge, together with massive new city building and infrastructure, are what is required in both countries to prevent catastrophe as the speculative world-wide bubble economy collapses. And the basis for rapidly doing this across the world can only be found in a fixed exchange rate world monetary system issuing long term low interest credit for development, the creation of which has now become an urgent issue for human survival. As with Ronald Reagan’s SDI, the United States and China should be collaborating jointly now on crash programs for breakthroughs in these advanced areas which are now crucial for the long term economic survival of both countries and the human race as a whole. It is extremely important now to remember that this was the Reagan offer to the Soviets, joint development for the good of humanity. It is that prospect, an initial step toward which is embodied in the joint approaches to settling the nuclear and other issues of the Korean peninsula which Pence, Pillsbury, and their British imperial friends are mobilized against. It is that prospect which Donald Trump could bring into being but which his opponents are determined to prevent, at all costs.

In his dumb speech, Pence made a variety of claims about China’s alleged geo-political aggressiveness in the Western Pacific and made allusions to encircling China with an alliance involving the United States, Japan, South Korea, and India. He did this without regard to the very delicate negotiations being conducted simultaneously by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in North Korea, indicating that his faction is intent on blowing up that prospect for peace. The pipe dream about a U.S, Japan, South Korea, India alliance is exactly that. Aside from the strategically blind United States, the other putative members of this alliance fully realize the actual potential and meaning of China’s great One Belt, One Road Initiative and want to fully participate. With respect to Pence’s claims about alleged Chinese aggressiveness and imperial aims in the Western Pacific, one wag commented that the claim amounts to demanding that China apologize for its geographic location in the midst of a deliberate encirclement by American bases, the reality of the Barack Obama’s Pacific tilt policy.

But, by far, the most vile part of Pence’s performance was aimed squarely at undermining the personal relationship between Xi and Trump. In that respect, Pence claimed that China is now in a “whole of nation” mobilization to remove Donald Trump as President because of the trade dispute between the two nations. He cited the fact that China ill-advisedly placed ads in Iowa newspapers condemning the President’s tariffs policy. This reactive gaffe clearly failed to understand the present U.S. political environment and is the sole factual basis for all of Mike Pence’s bellicose and false claims about Chinese election interference aimed at Trump. The rest of it is based on alleged classified intelligence reports which are almost certainly as bogus as the those produced by the cherry picked intelligence analysts who claimed massive Russian interference in the U.S. elections to elect Trump. After all, Pence’s good friend, the DNI, Dan Coats, has not balked at public rebukes of President Trump concerning Trump’s continued belief in Putin’s good faith and he most certainly wouldn’t balk at fabricating evidence and cooking the books to destroy Trump’s relationship to Xi Jinping.

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Posted by Praxis (here)

Marcus. You did not read my post well enough then if you think I am not already focusing on the deep state.

You are focusing on the negative aspects of the current political climate that Trump has been unable to influence rather than what he has influenced.

We have had this discussion before, on this very thread as a matter of fact and I've always told you that I think you are expecting a bit much out of the man considering he has only been in office for two years, but I'm going to share what he has done and why this is so important.



When we talk about the deep state we are talking about the American Intelligence agencies that have been corrupted and are now the tools of the elite globalists.

What do the Globalists want?

They want a one world Government, this means no more countries with individually elected leaders, they want a Government that rules the world and that they are in complete control of.

The left have been complicit in several agendas to attack the middle class of Western Countries and inviting Muslim refugees into those countries to serve as soldiers and saboteurs.

Trump has single handedly stopped this flow of Muslim Refugees into the United States, this single act has bought the West and the United States more time in so far as the Global Agenda is concerned.

This single act has pissed off the Globalists to the point that they are showing their hand by sending George Soros out to fund so many agendas attacking this single action. Antifa in many respects with it's constant calls of racism is almost entirely aimed in my opinion at demonizing Trump and his supporters for stopping an army of saboteurs from entering it's borders.

The left has been using ecologically minded agendas to prevent the United States and Western Countries in general from being able to compete in the Global Market place. This has served to impact the Middle Class of the United States and reduce them to the poor, which is what the Globalists want because a strong Middle Class is their greatest obstacle in overcoming to institute their New World Order, One World Government. Trump's tariffs and trade decrees have given the Middle Class of the United States a HUGE leg up. If the world and the United States is going to have a chance we HAVE TO HAVE A STRONG MIDDLE CLASS. Trump recognizes this and has been doing everything in his power to strengthen the Middle Class.



God Bless Trump for what he has done.

I pray every night for his protection.

I love President Trump.