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    Not much to add to this, except, perhaps, for the images in the original article which don't contribute much.

    See them here if you like: https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/t...g-a34453ad7941

    The Empire Keeps Proving Assange Right About Everything

    Caitlin Johnstone Nov 16

    WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has been charged under seal by the Trump administration. This has been revealed by a purportedly accidental copy-paste error in an unrelated court document which used Assange’s name, interestingly not long after it was reported to the Wall Street Journal that federal prosecutors “have considered publicly indicting Mr. Assange to try to trigger his removal from the embassy because a detailed explanation of the evidence could give Ecuadorean authorities reason to turn Assange over.”

    Insider sources have reportedly confirmed to the Washington Post that Assange has been charged. Because those charges are sealed, it’s impossible to know what they are or how they’re being justified. If you ask #Resistance Twitter, it’s because it’s #MuellerTime and Assange is about to be arrested under some mysterious charges involving WikiLeaks’ publication of non-government, non-classified emails in 2016.

    If you ask QAnon cultists, it’s because Donald Trump is planning to extradite Assange so as to rescue him and deal a fatal blow to the Deep State. If you ask people who actually know what they’re talking about, however, it’s most likely for WikiLeaks’ Afghanistan and Iraq war logs and/or last year’s CIA leak publications, and most likely using the Espionage Act. This would constitute a deadly blow to press freedoms, and arguably a greater leap in the direction of Orwellian dystopia than the Patriot Act.

    It also proves once again that Julian Assange was completely right.

    I’ve had so, so many arguments with people this year about Assange’s publicly stated rationale for remaining in the Ecuadorian embassy, where he was granted political asylum by Ecuador’s previous government on the basis that the US was seeking his extradition. The refrain that he can “leave whenever he wants” is extremely common, with Assange’s detractors insisting that he’d never be arrested and extradited to the United States, and that he is instead hiding from (non-existent) Swedish rape charges.

    The narrative that Assange couldn’t possibly be hiding from the same government which tortured Chelsea Manning has been aggressively promulgated by mainstream outlets like the The Guardian, as in this article by James Ball from earlier this year titled “The only barrier to Julian Assange leaving Ecuador’s embassy is pride”, claiming that “The WikiLeaks founder is unlikely to face prosecution in the US.”

    Ball’s article includes the following galaxy-brained excerpts: “Visitors, like fish, stink in three days.”

    “There is no public criminal case against Assange or WikiLeaks in the US, though Assange frequently says there is evidence of sealed indictments against him and his associates, and there have been publicly disclosed surveillance warrants against WikiLeaks staff, as well as FBI interest in Assange and his current and former co-workers (including me, as I worked with WikiLeaks for a few months in 2010 and 2011). There is no real reason to believe anything has changed with Assange’s situation in the US.”

    “The problem for both sides is that neither wants to lose face: Assange wants to be a symbol of resistance against an overreaching US state, and does not want to admit his asylum was about his personal actions and not those of WikiLeaks. Ecuador does not want to suggest it made a mistake in granting Assange asylum.”

    Ball was at best completely wrong, and at worst knowingly lying about the very real possibility of secret US charges. We know that the charges are from the US government, so they’ve got nothing to do with any rape or bail violation allegations. But the narrative that Assange is a stinky, stinky weirdo hiding in a cupboard has been so aggressively promulgated by imperial propagandists like Ball it’s (for me at least) literally impossible to talk about Assange’s plight on social media without some stranger coming up and spewing it all over the conversation.

    And it’s no mystery why that is. The alternative to making Assange the creepy rapist hiding from justice would be to acknowledge the possibility of what we now know for certain: that a vast, sprawling superpower, with so many extremely tight alliances that it is effectively the center of a globe-spanning empire, is working to extradite an Australian journalist from an Ecuadorian embassy in the United Kingdom so that it can punish him for publishing facts. Much, much easier to have him be the stinky cupboard man than the center of an assault on speech with implications stretching to all future generations and every corner of the globe.

    Julian Assange founded an innovative leak outlet on the premise that corrupt power can be fought with truth and transparency. Corrupt power responded by silencing, persecuting and smearing him. In so doing they succeeded in slowing down the leaks, minimizing the impact of publications, and nullifying Assange’s ability to defend himself, and in exchange they have publicly proved that his thesis was, and is, absolutely correct. There is a power establishment which uses lies and secrecy to manipulate and deceive us, and it hates having the light of truth shone upon it more than anything. We know that for certain now. There is no doubt whatsoever.

    Julian Assange was never hiding from justice. Julian Assange is, and always has been, hiding from injustice. He has been proven right about his reasons for seeking political asylum from Ecuador, as he has been proven right about so very much before.

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    I hope this ok to ask here. I have a friend who got very into the Q drops when they started last year. He stopped talking about anything else. He became very angry and began embracing a very intense right wing Christian approach. He started HATING the DEMS... he's not even American and was not into politics before! Leading up to Oct he was telling everyone that Oct was the month that would prove him right that.... every one would finally understand what was really going on. Anyway we know Oct and Nov came and went with nothing significant being revealed. He has now gone quiet... completely quiet. Closed his FB account... etc. I am no longer in contact at all. I am just wondering if anyone who is following the drops knows why he has just gone quiet. I check this thread regularly... but must say it just seems to be more of the old...wait... it's coming soon...any minute now...get ready hold onto your hats... its going to be huge... just around the corner...soon.. very soon. What i want to know is...is anything actually happening? Is there a reason for the silence...or have people started giving up on waiting?

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    Hi Bluey !
    If you mean his silence, I couldn't know of course... God knows { pun intended :-)) }, how this plays out.
    I say that amongst all the 'chaff', all the distractions { the blocage Ukraine - Rostov-upon-Don is an example } , There is, { I think } good cause for opptimism ( excuse sp, I've had a glass or two ! } Twice your age, but only woke up in 2013, there are strong indications the 'White Hats' are real... To think otherwise is to suggest ALL MANKIND has lost reason, that cannot be true.

    Although I believe Mr D.Wilcox., to be controlled, it is in a positive manner. Some four years ago, he mentioned underground 'nukes#, I believe he is fed reliable info, as an alt media feed. Your friend might have not been 'on-the=scene', long enough to corrolate all info.( even the KURSK, might play a part in this ? )
    For my part, I believe Alex Collier is sincere, David Icke too, however, when I see the " 20 Mile long ships 'come to save us ", I'll be walking in the opposite direction, and telling them. MY Mind, is precious to me. not for ceding to anyone...
    I recently came across a " Elena Friedman " ( off the top of my head, but it might be Helena ? )who's research points to ' Mother Earth 'being central to all this ( Barsdley Island [U.K. ] ) and such..

    The People who have " given up waiting [hope ?], have done not much to spread the knowledge, people such as you, who continually prod the sleepers with a sharp point of info, are the backbone the ( insert Gods, Conscionousness [sp], ether, or cosmic ether... ) are looking to carry on this cleansing of the centre of the [known] universe..))
    I thank you for your always appropriate intervention here :-))

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    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    I hope this ok to ask here. I have a friend who got very into the Q drops when they started last year. He stopped talking about anything else. He became very angry and began embracing a very intense right wing Christian approach. He started HATING the DEMS... he's not even American and was not into politics before! Leading up to Oct he was telling everyone that Oct was the month that would prove him right that.... every one would finally understand what was really going on. Anyway we know Oct and Nov came and went with nothing significant being revealed. He has now gone quiet... completely quiet. Closed his FB account... etc. I am no longer in contact at all. I am just wondering if anyone who is following the drops knows why he has just gone quiet. I check this thread regularly... but must say it just seems to be more of the old...wait... it's coming soon...any minute now...get ready hold onto your hats... its going to be huge... just around the corner...soon.. very soon. What i want to know is...is anything actually happening? Is there a reason for the silence...or have people started giving up on waiting?
    Your friend is not unique. Most Q followers believe Trump to be a genius IQ and master 4D chess player but Trump's own tweets fly in the face of that belief. I mean when he spouts off about the special counsel not having senate approval it actually makes him look pretty naive, if not stupid. One could argue it screams loudly he is a fish out of water.
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

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    There are those that say Q is a big alphabet psyop designed to divide and conquer and with reason, as there are qdroppers who interpret the world as you have described. My feeling is this a minority, and a majority have left the whole Dem/Rep thing behind long ago, some longer than others, because, again my feeling, they are right. Consequently, regardless of other circumstances, this majority, people who actually read, have a better understanding of how the world works than the 90% who, through no real fault of their own, don't. So, I'll see that as a good thing and go with the optimistic bunch.

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    As long as you have to choose which way to act, then you have to choose. I'm with the optimists, too, Blue.
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    From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3978070.html#3978190
    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 11/20/18 (Tue) 20:42:33 6e0a05 (2) No.3978190

    [[ Mod-note: This Q drop is a copy of the Q drop in 8chan post No. 3978190 that I posted above back on 20 Nov 2018. I repost it here because it is referenced in the next drop, below. -- Paul. ]]

    https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/41...ton-foundation
    [D]ec 5
    D5
    Nothing can stop what is coming.
    Nothing.
    This election was not about fixing the economy, trade, borders, military, protecting our children etc. all so another corrupt politician or \'insider\' can simply undo it [band-aid].
    This was not simply another 4-year election, but, a crossroads in the history of our civilization that will determine whether or not, WE, THE PEOPLE, reclaim control over our gov\'t.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ
    Panic in DC.
    Q
    From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4029003.html#4029281
    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 11/25/18 (Sun) 18:52:38 59308a (2) No.4029281

    File (hide): 31db5e7e981e715⋯.jpg (193.29 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, HouseOfCards.jpg) (h) (u)

    [[ Mod-note: This HouseOfCards.jpg image file is a screen shot that Q took and posted, of the above Q drop from 20 Nov 2018. -- Paul. ]]

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...93504804913152
    Quote Posted by Trump, on Twitter
    Donald J. Trump -- Verified account @realDonaldTrump

    Clinton Foundation donations drop 42% - which shows that they illegally played the power game. They monetized their political influence through the Foundation. “During her tenure the State Department was put in the service of the Clinton Foundation.” Andrew McCarthy
    12:39 PM - 25 Nov 2018
    Everything stated has a purpose.
    Think timing of Tweet (above) v last drops [HouseOfCards] re: Maggie NYT re: WL 'Maggie' drops re: WL attack re: 'Q'
    Do you believe in coincidences?
    Be 'extremely' vigilant in Dec.
    See something.
    Say something.
    EXTREME PANIC IN [DC]
    WWG1WGA!
    Q
    From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4029003.html#4029544
    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 11/25/18 (Sun) 19:06:45 59308a (2) No.4029544

    >>4029281 [[ Mod-note: Link to the Q drop posted just above here. -- Paul. ]]

    CORSI > [attempt infiltrate] Q
    MUELLER > CORSI
    CORSI PLEA DEAL
    THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE WHO PRETEND TO BE GOOD.
    Re_read drops re: WARNINGS
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.80e6d1b24752
    THOSE [MOST] WHO LEFT THE WH DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE.
    FAKE NEWS.
    FAKE MAGA.
    TRANSPARENCY IS THE ONLY WAY.
    PATRIOTS UNITED.
    Q
    From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#239
    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/15/18 (Sat) 19:55:33 No.239

    [[ Mod-note: This Q drop is an old one that I posted above back on 15 Sept 2018. I repost it here because it is referenced in the next drop, below. -- Paul. ]]

    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-20...l1-eo13526.pdf

    Executive Order 13526
    Sec 1.7
    "Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. (a) In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to:
    (1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
    (2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
    (3) restrain competition; or
    (4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security."
    Q
    From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4029778.html#4030351
    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 11/25/18 (Sun) 19:55:51 a3d1d2 (1) No.4030351

    File (hide): e8d2cbb3575e0b4⋯.jpg (214.06 KB, 1072x1104, 67:69, DnNy9tdXcAI4Dqj.jpg) (h) (u)

    [[ Mod-note: This DnNy9tdXcAI4Dqj.jpg image file is a screen shot that Q took and posted, of the above 15 Sept 2018 Q drop. -- Paul. ]]

    WHITAKER (in conjunction w/ OIG) approved the release of CLAS docs 1-4 as requested by the House Committee and as ORDERED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
    Will the release occur prior to scheduled testimony?
    List advantages.
    Will the release occur post scheduled testimony?
    List advantages.
    If those testifying 'know' select CLAS docs will become public [self-incrimination] how might that alter/change their testimony?
    DC has become RAT infested.
    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-20...l1-eo13526.pdf
    Executive Order 13526
    Sec 1.7
    "Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. (a) In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to:
    (1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
    (2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
    (3) restrain competition; or
    (4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security."
    Does UK stand w/ the US or only select divisions within the US?
    Does AUS stand w/ the US or only select divisions within the US?
    Will immediate action(s) be 'publicly' taken within each country to REUNIFY THE BOND that was once held PRIOR TO…….[CLAS 9]?
    [Koala]
    Q
    From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4030539.html#4031007
    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 11/25/18 (Sun) 20:37:32 4b8e5c (1) No.4031007

    Border Security = National Security.
    FY 2019 Defense Spending Bill
    https://dod.defense.gov/News/Special...udget2019.aspx
    >>Budget Overview
    Budget Reconciliation
    https://www.countable.us/bills/hr7073-115
    What if the House fails prior to majority change?
    What vested auth does the Constitution grant a sitting President re: matters of NAT SEC?
    Thank you, Mr. Soros.
    Q
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    Will Dec. 5th become the new Day of Infamy? My take
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4029778.html#4030351
    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 11/25/18 (Sun) 19:55:51 a3d1d2 (1) No.4030351
    ...
    Will immediate action(s) be 'publicly' taken within each country to REUNIFY THE BOND that was once held PRIOR TO…….[CLAS 9]?
    [Koala]
    Q
    The following post on the Voat QRV Q Research board explains Operation Koala:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Q Drop [Koala] -------- (Operation Koala) (QRV)

    submitted 11.7 hours ago by 2873671?

    “We will continue to extend our full support to Operation Koala and other similar investigations that help bring those who sexually abuse children to justice.”

    https://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/...eration-koala/

    The identification of this online group resulted from Operation "Joint Hammer," the U.S. component of "Operation Koala," an ongoing global operation targeting transnational rings of child pornographers that was initiated by Europol and Eurojust, and involved 28 countries.

    https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/ne...thammer_020909

    What started as a tip from Australian authorities in 2006 regarding a sexually explicit video has turned into one of the largest global child pornography investigations on record—and a model for how law enforcement cooperation can cast a powerful light into the darkest reaches of the Internet to bring child predators to justice.

    Operation Joint Hammer has resulted in the rescue of 14 girls—some as young as 3 years old—who were being sexually abused by pornographers. Approximately 170 people have been arrested, more than 60 of them U.S. citizens. Seven major child pornography rings, hosting the worst of the worst, have been dismantled. And the investigation is far from complete.

    Working with international law enforcement organizations, members of our Innocent Images National Initiative program are playing a key role in the operation, along with the Department of Justice (DOJ), the United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS), and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

    Here is what happened: Authorities in Queensland, Australia came across a pornographic video online showing a young victim. This victim was determined to be Dutch with a Flemish accent. Authorities in Belgium were contacted, and the ensuing European investigation became known as Operation Koala

    https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4029778.html#4030351
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    Quote Posted by Bluegreen (here)
    There are those that say Q is a big alphabet psyop designed to divide and conquer and with reason, as there are qdroppers who interpret the world as you have described. My feeling is this a minority, and a majority have left the whole Dem/Rep thing behind long ago, some longer than others, because, again my feeling, they are right. Consequently, regardless of other circumstances, this majority, people who actually read, have a better understanding of how the world works than the 90% who, through no real fault of their own, don't. So, I'll see that as a good thing and go with the optimistic bunch.
    Q could be a psyop but whatever you think of Q one can indeed see a plan unfolding before us. France is hit with fires and riots and tax revolt at the same time as the USA is hit with migrants and so on. It's as if another elite pre arranged plan is unfolding and I've no doubt we'll be reading about it one day and how the secret societies and Bilderbergers and more all mapped it out. Some entity is conducting an operation. The real questions are, who does Q work for and who is really running the country because I really feel Trump is just a stage handled actor. So these ones pulling DJT's strings? Who are they, where are their loyalties and could they be Q?
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

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    Read an interesting take on Assange. If he is being held in the USA right now and the authorities charge him, he can then spill the beans on whatever inside information he has. The ringer here is - what does he know about the murder of Seth Rich? Would divulging this sensitive information be harmful to the Dems? Probably would be. Big time.

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    I know things are hot on Assange now but way back when the Q started Jerome Corsi was the man who was giving daily updates, and low and behold look where he is now. I'm not surprised by his stand and comments. He does stand for integrity as far as i'm concerned and principles. I can only image the crap he has to deal with now and the legal costs in an effort to shut everyone up.

    Jerome Corsi refuses plea deal: “They can put me in prison the rest of my life. I am not going to sign a lie”

    https://govtslaves.info/2018/11/26/j...to-sign-a-lie/

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    Mueller's Manafort filing rescinding plea deal is a grasp at straws to remain relevant with witch hunt just before FISA release. My take.

    And POTUS tweeted this a few minutes later:

    The Phony Witch Hunt continues, but Mueller and his gang of Angry Dems are only looking at one side, not the other. Wait until it comes out how horribly & viciously they are treating people, ruining lives for them refusing to lie. Mueller is a conflicted prosecutor gone rogue....
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    Internet's Most Censored Trump Book w/ Gene Ho, Trump's Personal Photographer



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    Gene Ho, Trump's Personal Photographer during POTUS Trump's election campaign, joins the program to discuss his latest book, Trumpography.

    He shares how his book experienced intense censorship while all the other Trump books, which were all negative, had enjoyed no censorship.

    He also shares his experiences on the campaign trail and what he learned about Trump, his family, and the real stories behind the scenes, all different then what the mass media wants us to believe.
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    Day 54.2. Assange Trial With McDuff--George Webb
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    Does anyone here read Neon Revolt? That person knows how to connect the dots. I was reading a recent post by NR which took a deep dive into satanic child sacrifice ala the Vanderbilt's. Then he showed some most disturbing pics taken at the Biltmore and compared those to paintings owned by the Podesta's. Q warned us many moons ago that the information coming out on satanic sacrifice would be very sick and it was up to us individually whether anyone wanted to see it. So be forewarned - this material is SICK. But I want to know. If you do too, here's the link. The Vanderbilt/Podesta material is down a ways. Not safe for the squeamish.

    https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/08/1...tican-podesta/

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    See also the images I posted a few months ago in this thread, in Post #6346, above, of the Biltmore estate and that infamous "swimming" pool.
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    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)
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    Q could be a psyop but whatever you think of Q one can indeed see a plan unfolding before us. France is hit with fires and riots and tax revolt at the same time as the USA is hit with migrants and so on. It's as if another elite pre arranged plan is unfolding and I've no doubt we'll be reading about it one day and how the secret societies and Bilderbergers and more all mapped it out. Some entity is conducting an operation. The real questions are, who does Q work for and who is really running the country because I really feel Trump is just a stage handled actor. So these ones pulling DJT's strings? Who are they, where are their loyalties and could they be Q?

    It's a Duality Reality we living...by design?

    Interesting comment by Reddit user FreedomIntensifies who wrote the following
    Quote Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

    The first amazing rebel in the western historical record is Plato. He was inducted into the mystery schools in Egypt. Why is he a rebel and how do we know? The allegory of the cave. He tried to communicate to people that their perception was not reality but the shadows on the wall being projected by the masters of fire, the school of Prometheus.

    Before this, the dominant surviving western philosophy is that of Judaic law which condemned Lucifer and Eve for the exchange of knowledge. Plato was truly radical, the sort of radical that you may not see emerge within any given generation. He wanted to spread knowledge, he established curriculums for learning, taught the people about the mystery schools.

    The next significant historical figure in the western history is Jesus. This guy is a lot like Plato. Jesus is another one of those absolutely brilliant figures that rarely emerges. He not only shared Plato's radical view of spreading knowledge, he embraced the symbology of Lucifer in the Old Testament and plotted the downfall of Judaic law, which is the exoteric representation of the mystery schools. Jesus calls himself Lucifer in other words - "the Bright and Morning Star." The Bible makes it explicit that his fight is with the mystery schools, "Jesus is the stone which the builders have rejected, and has become the cornerstone." Jesus plots the downfall of the mystery schools by abolishing the Judaic tradition, elevating Lucifer, praising knowledge, and commanding that it be freely available: "let those who have ears to hear, hear."

    These people don't go away freely. This is just the start of a huge ****ing war that hasn't yet ended. Mass persecutions begin but the movement builds and nominally captures Rome; the mystery schools thus retreat somewhat to the north and make Venice the base of operations. As the mercantilist power of Venice rises in the wake of the Roman empire collapse and subsequent extended depression, the church falls to the influence of the mystery schools in the 5th century. The response is the creation of Islam, a more militant version of Christianity but no other essential difference. A two pronged assault on the Venice trade empire is thus launched, moving west across the African coast and to the north through Israel / Turkey / Greece. The mystery schools, thus crippled, have severely diminished influence for the next several centuries.

    Within Europe, nation states emerge with the Christian philosophy incubated within them, national universities are established, literacy begins to spread, the governments for the first time turn their attention to promoting domestic productive rather than foreign conquest as a source of wealth. Islam is similarly known for being a very scientific, enlightened society during this period. What we have here is a peaceful encirclement of the old rulers of the world, but victory won't be complete.

    Venice's influence rises again several centuries later in the aftermath of a successful campaign to split the Christian church culminating in the great schism. Not long after we get Christian assaults on the Islamic holding of Jerusalem - a real historical tragedy because the religions come from the same movement with the same goals. Cults are built up around so-called sacred artifacts brought back from Jerusalem, superstition becomes rampant, etc.

    This is a period of real degeneration of the culture. Various alliances rise and fade against Venice, the black death severely weakens them in the 14th century. People don't venture out of their town, or permit strangers, and thus commerce is choked off, Venice is brought to heel. In the 15th century, you see widespread and sustained disgust with Venice across the continent.

    Venice undertakes a great transformation process as a result. The oligarchy migrates towards the Netherlands, where the House of Marlborough invades England by the end of the 17th century. Long story short, Venice successful conquers England. Queen Anne came after William of Orange and wasn't bad, but the succession of George's afterwards are terrible and completely under the influence of Venice anti-industrial policy. This is reflected in laws against domestic manufacturing in America, banning ironworks, and so on. The response is that the families who eventually lead the revolution move into the Appalachia and establish covert manufacturing bases capable of producing weapons and undergo a multi-decade effort to prepare for revolution (see How The Nation Was Won by Lowry for tremendous detail).

    The leaders of the American revolution get themselves initiated into the mystery schools as a strategic move. This is important because these people take oaths to protect one another's lives if at all possible; as a result, the British officers didn't tend to engage in assassination of US officers and this is the critical factor that allowed the revolution to succeed. This strategy was carefully cultivated by a tight knit circle with extraordinarily clever operatives; the same year that the revolution began our operatives commenced a massive disinformation campaign that resulted in the famous exposure of the "Bavarian Illuminati" and enabled the insertion of paranoia, confusion, unclear objectives, and a disruption of the command structure of the mystery schools during the period of the revolution.

    From here, the great enterprise that traces all the way back to Plato and Jesus kicks into high gear. But, to be sure, so does the opposition. Vast influxes of profits from the British East India Company start flowing into elite universities like Princeton, Columbia, etc. Skull & Bones is established under the Russell trust, also funded by same. We have the Captain Morgan affair, which is the public declaration by the British grand lodge that assassinations of other freemasons will now be tolerated if they are rebelling against the unified command. From this point forward, America is plunged into a violent and shadowy civil war which rages to this day.

    As an example, Pat Robertson is of the Churchill family (Winston), which is really the House of Marlborough - our friendly conquerer of England on behalf of the Venetians. Pat Robertson represents the thrust of the opposition to Clinton, but Clinton's primary financier is Pamela Harriman of the House of Marlborough! Other apparent "divisions" in modern American politics are similarly contrived; these are the operations of the British grand lodge and the mystery schools.

    What exactly is it about America that has provoked freemasonry to wage war against it?

    We are the centerpiece in a two millennia war to free mankind that is now coming to a head. In the coming years, the middle class of America will continue to erode and fall apart; with it, the free flow of information, the agency of individuals independent of the order, and so on will disappear. Or, the people will use the gifts they have been given, namely, weapons in the hands of the common person to enable revolt and seizure back of the government, and bring back the proven model of economic advancement to expand and stabilize the middle class ("Hamiltonianism," "The American System," "dirigism").

    Now you have the broad outlines of the war; it is fought out of love with the purpose of blessing the world with freedom, enlightenment, universal brotherhood.
    It's these mystery school teachings that the "elites" abide by ...white hats ...black hats, dark/light , good/evil etc. we need to stop the seesaw and balance to a righteous consciousness. one day at a time ...action by action. There will be the opposition to your actions(whatever that may be) it's the duality of this world that the Cult uses against humanity.

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    Read Neon's every post, and occasionally his Gab feed. Linked his posts in this thread many times.

    He has been less active lately as has Q, but this kind of research and dot-connecting and spreading has been the main visible Q-effort value so far, in my view.
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    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)

    Q could be a psyop but whatever you think of Q one can indeed see a plan unfolding before us. France is hit with fires and riots and tax revolt at the same time as the USA is hit with migrants and so on. It's as if another elite pre arranged plan is unfolding ...

    So these ones pulling DJT's strings? Who are they, where are their loyalties and could they be Q?
    Just to add, for France, CNT ( ConseilNationaldeTransition.org )
    see also :- https://conseilnational.blogspot.com...rc-granie.html


    Video re Marc Grainge : - ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfJ1i5B1YMA )

    Add to this the very long-term investigations carried out by https://www.ukcolumn.org/'

    Abel Danger's work ( & efficient links into the 'White Hats ', then of course, it's a World-wide operation, My view is with MS13, nearly disbanded, Op Koala & others, plus the cleaning-up of the D.O.J., etc, all this MUST be encouraging...

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