The strangeness of the California Fires

[waves]

Another smoking gun. ONLY the contents of a high ceiling tire business/warehouse are completely destroyed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TxRJ01PI2DM

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by waves (here)
Another smoking gun to me - 1985 report on CNN showing what the ignition of a Russian DEW looks like and it's an exact match to the ignition of Paradise.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=28tTuJO5o30

Two low resolution overhead views of a fire starting in strong winds, showing the smoke blowing strongly in one direction ... I wouldn't call that an exact match, as that phrase implies to me a greater level of precision than that.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by waves (here)
Another smoking gun. ONLY the contents of a high ceiling tire business/warehouse are completely destroyed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TxRJ01PI2DM

Perhaps only the contents of the tire business were flammable, not the steel walls and ceiling, which sagged and partially melted from the heat, but did not burn?

[Flash]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by waves (here)
Another smoking gun. ONLY the contents of a high ceiling tire business/warehouse are completely destroyed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TxRJ01PI2DM

Perhaps only the contents of the tire business were flammable, not the steel walls and ceiling, which sagged and partially melted from the heat, but did not burn?

yep

So now, please, how can one explain that the twin towers with steel frame, in 2001, melted completely. Fire from jet fuel is not more hot than what we have seen in CA.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Flash (here)
So now, please, how can one explain that the twin towers with steel frame, in 2001, melted completely. Fire from jet fuel is not more hot than what we have seen in CA.

Whatever was the source of the melting/dustification/collapsing energy that took down those towers ... was a whole lot more intense than a jet fuel, or a rubber car tire, fire.

Why do you ask?

[mischief]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
So now, please, how can one explain that the twin towers with steel frame, in 2001, melted completely. Fire from jet fuel is not more hot than what we have seen in CA.

Whatever was the source of the melting/dustification/collapsing energy that took down those towers ... was a whole lot more intense than a jet fuel, or a rubber car tire, fire.

Why do you ask?

Maybe because it was odd. I thought it was odd at the time, but then I had family members who worked in demolition and took an interest in their type of work.

[Fansongecho]

Hi Everyone, I am hoping folks might have some concrete information on the numbers that are missing after the last horrific fires that affected California please ?.. specifically do you have hard data on the Paradise fires and missing people - I am hoping to confirm the information that the entire town was destroyed and large portion of the population was killed and could not get out before the fires struck -

This interview from last year - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWvuPcurB6Q

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a476195.pdf

Many thanks,
Fansongecho

[RunningDeer]

'Camp' Fire UPDATE Ignition Point Investigation (10:44 minutes)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W5jaFNPPXMw

blancolirio
Published on Dec 6, 2018


Take a close look at the terrain and weather and powerlines where this devastating fire started.
85 Fatalities 11 Missing to date.
CORRECTION: Fire video from Derek Yarrow, Concow Ca.

Theme Music:
"Weightless"
Aram Bedrosian
http://www.arambedrosian.com

[waves]

Posted by Fansongecho (here)
Hi Everyone, I am hoping folks might have some concrete information on the numbers that are missing after the last horrific fires that affected California please ?.. specifically do you have hard data on the Paradise fires and missing people - I am hoping to confirm the information that the entire town was destroyed and large portion of the population was killed and could not get out before the fires struck.....

There are never going to be believable concrete numbers but you couldn't get me to a lawyer fast enough to bet my house that there is great deceit being perpetrated in the dwindling official numbers. The number of 'confirmed dead' even went down from 88 to 85 and they were being super cautious every night for a while to not add anyone to that list unless identified while they paraded their new hi-tech 2-hours to ID DNA machine.

First, the number of people living in the connected cluster of towns that had to evacuate was 52,000 not just the 26,000 in 'Paradise' the msm repeated so much. The likelihood that 1000's of elderly of 52,000 having escaped is not reasonable. There were two roads out period. Of those who got as far as trying to drive out, escapees are reporting many lines of backed up/abandoned cars and suspect 100's were burned in or out of them. If the heat damaged the car's ability to keep going, there's zero chance the 100's of elderly, kids or any other human in them could make it miles further down the road.

Hopefully an independent discussion forum and tally by citizens doing it themselves will take place.

[Fansongecho]

Thanks for coming back to me on this waves. I just found this video -

Its an over-fly of Paradise - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LxWKaiZ5o4

Cheers,

Fansongecho -

Latest Edit - http://www.stopthecrime.net/3Sec3c-DOD.pdf

[Arcturian108]

I believe that many on this forum consider David Wilcock not credible, but in researching the California fires I was drawn to watch his take on what took place there, and he didn't disappoint. In the video he mentions his source as being Henry Deacon, someone Bill has previously mentioned as being very credible, if I recall correctly. Anyway, i thought I should let you all see this fascinating exchange and judge for yourselves:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eMrXS9uiQCo

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
I believe that many on this forum consider David Wilcock not credible, but in researching the California fires I was drawn to watch his take on what took place there, and he didn't disappoint. In the video he mentions his source as being Henry Deacon, someone Bill has previously mentioned as being very credible, if I recall correctly. Anyway, i thought I should let you all see this fascinating exchange and judge for yourselves:

It sounds a bit fantastic to me, starting with David Wilcock once again overselling his knowledge.

Then when he gets to the topic of the recent California fires, Wilcock is saying that Paradise, California, and parts of Los Angeles, California, were deliberately burned (that much I might accept) as part of a Satanic ritual by the Deep State (that too, I might accept).

Wilcock goes on to say that the reason that Paradise was targeted was because, by some treaty, some few hundred to few thousand Alpha Centurions lived there, in underground bases, with access through elevators descending from ordinary looking homes, and for some reason, perhaps to stop disclosure, the Deep State was pissed and targeted this town where so many Alpha Centurions lived.

Starting at about 33:50, Wilcock hypes up the expertise of Dr. Pete Peterson to some level that would make both Pete Peterson himself, as well as Nicola Tesla, blush. "Pete" is painted as a world class expert in a wide variety of alien, advanced and exotic technologies.

Wilcock then says that Pete (and another source that is questioned around here, Corey Goode) told Wilcock that Alpha Centurions were residing in Paradise and that the Paradise fire was to burn down their homes.

Wilcock suspects that the Centurions were going to come forward and disclose themselves, and the Deep State put a stop to it.

Wilcock concludes by guaranteeing us that he and they will not be intimidated, that disclosure will not be stopped, and "that we are going to make this thing happen, no matter what."

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Sounds fishy to me.

[onawah]

That's a whopper!

Posted by Paul (here)
Sounds fishy to me.

[Flash]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
I believe that many on this forum consider David Wilcock not credible, but in researching the California fires I was drawn to watch his take on what took place there, and he didn't disappoint. In the video he mentions his source as being Henry Deacon, someone Bill has previously mentioned as being very credible, if I recall correctly. Anyway, i thought I should let you all see this fascinating exchange and judge for yourselves:

It sounds a bit fantastic to me, starting with David Wilcock once again overselling his knowledge.

Then when he gets to the topic of the recent California fires, Wilcock is saying that Paradise, California, and parts of Los Angeles, California, were deliberately burned (that much I might accept) as part of a Satanic ritual by the Deep State (that too, I might accept).

Wilcock goes on to say that the reason that Paradise was targeted was because, by some treaty, some few hundred to few thousand Alpha Centurions lived there, in underground bases, with access through elevators descending from ordinary looking homes, and for some reason, perhaps to stop disclosure, the Deep State was pissed and targeted this town where so many Alpha Centurions lived.

Starting at about 33:50, Wilcock hypes up the expertise of Dr. Pete Peterson to some level that would make both Pete Peterson himself, as well as Nicola Tesla, blush. "Pete" is painted as a world class expert in a wide variety of alien, advanced and exotic technologies.

Wilcock then says that Pete (and another source that is questioned around here, Corey Goode) told Wilcock that Alpha Centurions were residing in Paradise and that the Paradise fire was to burn down their homes.

Wilcock suspects that the Centurions were going to come forward and disclose themselves, and the Deep State put a stop to it.

Wilcock concludes by guaranteeing us that he and they will not be intimidated, that disclosure will not be stopped, and "that we are going to make this thing happen, no matter what."

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Sounds fishy to me.

Luca should hire them for a new movie: 3 stooges spaced out lol

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Paul (here)
Sounds fishy to me.

That's a wonderfully British understatement.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eMrXS9uiQCo

Let me try to break this down a little. I did know 'Henry Deacon' very well. Bulletpoints below.

• Henry did mention the Alpha Centaurans, several times. He stated that three of the planets were inhabited by human-like beings. As usual, he was 100% consistent with what he said.

• He did not mention that they were here on Earth, underground or elsewhere.

• He never mentioned Paradise to us, at any point.

• We did hear from two separate witnesses (not Henry) that one or more of the Las Vegas casinos contain elevators that, if one presses a certain code sequence of buttons, will go not up, but DOWN to access the 'sub-trans' rail network. We were told that this is how employees go to work, even daily, in desert locations that have no road or air access. They're dressed as gamblers or casino visitors on vacation, and attract no attention to themselves. (We did find this credible.)

• Any ET 'psychic competition' in casinos wouldn't be against one another. All competition by gamblers, psychic or otherwise, is against the casino bank. David appears not to understand how betting in casinos actually works. If the psychic gamblers were winning, then someone would have had to compensate the casinos big time.

• Any testimony from Pete Peterson can now (in my very strong opinion) be discarded.

• The claimed ETs in Paradise, with the apparency of living in regular houses but with elevator shafts going down to an underground base, would (if that was the setup) would most definitely have been able to escape the fire. It would take barely any time at all to evacuate a house by going DOWN in an elevator if it became apparent that there was serious danger outside. If one thinks about this SciFi scenario, the capacity for emergency escape (from anyone or anything) via an in-house elevator would have been built-in as an essential feature. Being trapped wouldn't and couldn't have happened.

Again, this is another instance of not only David Wilcock not thinking these issues through logically, but his interviewers failing to think of any good 'wait a minute' questions to ask.

[Akasha]

Posted by Fansongecho (here)
Hi Everyone, I am hoping folks might have some concrete information on the numbers that are missing after the last horrific fires that affected California please ?.. specifically do you have hard data on the Paradise fires and missing people - I am hoping to confirm the information that the entire town was destroyed and large portion of the population was killed and could not get out before the fires struck -

This interview from last year - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWvuPcurB6Q

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a476195.pdf

Many thanks,
Fansongecho

Hey Fansongecho and welcome to Avalon!

Regarding the video from 2017, the YouTube channel it is on is a proponent of flat Earth, thereby giving credence to the notion that the FE psy-op helps to discredit valid material by association, this being a classic example.

I still appreciate the post though.

[onawah]

Some very good info being shared here by Deborah Tavares and Elana Freeland:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1263395

[onawah]

Paradise Lost # 25 ~ How the Houses Were Torched ? Interview with 30-yr. Microwave Engineer
aplanetruth.info
Published on Dec 8, 2018
(The video was taken down)

[James Newell]

Here is a fellow(s) that has done some research, and has made some outlandish claims as to casualties. I am almost hesitant to put it up but evaluate it for what it is. He is claiming almost 50000 are missing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=aeP1SS15l6s

[Ascension]

Hmm, another "coincidence". John Milton, author of Paradise Lost died on November 8th. (1674)