What's happening in China?

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks Abhaya, for this important link....they're talking about financial change over on the Questions to Charles, maybe it should get posted there too?

Hurrah for Mr Contact 2....I wonder who he is?

Happy New Year, Cayman and everyone! Kung ee Fat Choy! (sorry about spelling)


The year of the Rabbit...a big change of energy!!

[fifi]

but it changed when the soldiers allegedly started beating the protesters with their helmets (the troops didn't carry weapons so it was the helmet that started the crackdown).

I can't forget the image of the tank rolled over the student who stood in defiance in front of it.

I know for sure CIA was involved in the 1989 unrest

Very likely, but the courageous standing up of the Chinese people against the oppressing regime should not be discounted.

I like the Chinese people very much, and sincerely wish the day they awaken, and be able to change the regime and live a free and better life.

[Franny]

Posted by hao (here)
a very interesting and important audio

I agree, very interesting!

I listened to it earlier today and thought of you, Hao, and what you wrote in your post above. I have been watching this situation for a long time hoping this works out. Hearing a little here, reading a little there. Perhaps we won't see anything starting until next week, then we will know that it has happened.

Until then, Happy New Year to you all in China!

[cayman]

Posted by Myatding (here)
If y'all missed this in another thread I'm reposting this mp3 here, as it is very relevant to events involving China at the moment (in a major way).

This was shared, but then the link expired. FORTUNATELY I downloaded it before it expired! I have uploaded it to my website so that it will remain available. Does anyone know who this guy being interviewed is? I'd love to see Bill do an interview with him!


I don't know if that is working right, as someone else said that it would only play 3 mintutes, so here is the link:

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-...c-2Feb2011.mp3

Cheers,
Mark

thanks, It bring up an aspect of the situation that I never had a deeper view before, interesting. no doubt, this contact is very savey

[cayman]

What is really happening in China--VIII: Domestic financial battle

As I point out before: the money that Westerner assume that China have, now causing a serious inflation in China, because China can't spend most of the money to buy useful Equities in an Anglo-Saxson controlled World, so it turns out, that much of money is not only useless, but later become a poison to the domestic economy. Also,thanks to the "Fiat Monetary system", the government is pumping money into the economy, the inflation go higher and higher every year, people are forced to buy something solid like realestate and gold, food price is surging

simple conclusion: today, Chinese economy system like a High-pressure cooker, the inner pressure is increasing higher and higher every day, if the steam can't get out,

So the logic is simple: if China can somehow release the "money steam" out, it will be good for domestic economy in either short term or long term. if this out-going money can buy some oversea Equities and Assets, that would be great.

Now, you might wonder: why Chinese didn't do that if that is so simple?---the reality is in an Anglo-Saxson controlled World, the money tagged with "China" officially is being treated as a potential enemy, Chinese state owned companies had tried several times and failed---officially.

Chinese guerilla tactic for financial expansion
Okay, now, they(some force within the Chinese regime) came up with a new idea(a new attempt would be accurate )---"7/1/2011, Chinese city to allow its citizens to invest up to $200million overseas per year"
http://www.ftchinese.com/story/001036420/en
http://www.ftchinese.com/story/001036459/en

the plot of this story is: the Chinese city annouced that policy is Wenzhou, it is a local city, but it is the most wealthy city in China, the citizen of Wenzhou is famous for their business talents. their business network spread not only all over China, but also over the world. they are the major guerilla economy force of/from China. some would say, citizens from Wenzhou is the Chinese "Hebrew" the money under their possession estimated more than 200 billions US dollar. If they are allowed to have a free account for their international business, turst me, there will be a money flood.

Drama of the story: 2 weeks later, January 23rd, there was a rumors about this policy was pull back, 2 days later, local officers of Wenzhou came out and said: nope, it is not a pull back, it is a "slow start".
"pull back" story: http://news.xinhuanet.com/fortune/20..._121013155.htm
"clarify" story:http://finance.sina.com.cn/china/dfj...89328501.shtml

the context of this drama is: banker/industry force within the Chinese regime want this happen, especially the banker part, they have very tight connections with the International Bankers, if this policy come true, the International Bankers would build a convenient channel for their Money Laundering business, more importantly, they can build their nest in China more efficiently.
for the opposite reason: the conservative force within the regime don't want this happen, otherwise, they will lose their control power. who is the conservative force? socialism bureaucratist, their idea is---keep my lambs in my land. these socialism bureaucratist play a major role within the Chinese regime, although their number is decreasing.

therefore, this drama is a mirror of Chinese domestic financial ongoing battle between aggressive bankers and conservative socialism bureaucratist

[Liquid]

Posted by hao (here)
https://www.freeconferencing.com/pla...-17-65-670.mp3

a very interesting and important audio

http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011...-to-this-call/

HUGELY important video!
Thanks for posting. I'll be reading the rest of this thread now!

[kenkyushiryo]

Posted by cayman (here)
What is really happening in China--VIII: Domestic financial battle

As I point out before: [SIZE="3"][COLOR="magenta"]the money that Westerner assume that China have, now causing a serious inflation in China........................................ugh their number is decreasing.

therefore, this drama is a mirror of Chinese domestic financial ongoing battle between aggressive bankers and conservative socialism bureaucratist

Hi,

i just wanted to ask do you think there is any relationship between this post, or whats happening in china now and a post i made a few days ago about this video?

Posted by kenkyushiryo (here)
i happened upon this video tonight where the lord in questions was making a comment to other lords in the house about an entity he named "foundation x" who was willing to give very very large sums of gold bullion backed money to the uk for whatever uses it sees fit.

i saw on one of the copies of this video that it could be people in china who are making this offer for global strategic reasons.

the lord in the video mentions his and others investigations in the apparent truth of their offerings.

have a look yourselves and see what you make of it.

anyone not familiar with the house of lords should know they are a very high point of power within british establishment. their powers are far more wide ranging than the houses of commons or parliment as you might say.


is there some relationship with the 33? could this be a reason why charles is heading to china?


https://youtube.com/watch?feature...JPFEZ_-I#t=68s
pertinant material from 1:08

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SlwJPFEZ_-I

original source

[Tom Sawyer]

Cayman, all I can say after your great post is that goods are the money equivalent that China produce. They invest using a form of goods.

Particular places on the territory of the former USSR are chosen as "Chinese business invasion spots". These places are right in the global traffic centers. I know at least 2 or 3 will be built in the nearest years in Ukraine. Everything There will be Chinese. I'll explain: if you want to sell foreign car into Ukraine - you'll have to pay customs duties + VAT + additional payments. As a result the sum will be 35-50% higher + transport (shipping) charge. BUT you can assemble the car right in Ukraine on a Chinese factory. Look how much you win! The same with electronics, cloths, etc. This spots will be like Cities and it's foundation is happening right now. China will get the most benefit because NOW they will produce goods with high level of quality offering them at a lower price.
You must understand that only US and some European counties get quality Chinese goods because of the laws and quality testing. The rest of the world has to use the cheapest Chinese goods which in fact is a disposable rubbish, sometimes toxic or everything you don't even want to think about! It's true. I talked with my Chinese business partners and they told me that products on a domestic Chinese market are of a good quality at a resonable cost. It's simple - if you produce Rubbish for a domestic market you most likely will find yourself in jail or even "in a loop". But if we speak about selling Chinese goods abroad - you can sell everything you'll be able to. In any condition and quantity. Anyway - US DOLLARS are Rubbish also and everyone knows it. So investing overseas using US DOLLARS or RUBBISH GOODS looks the same for China, I think. And till China will not be allowed to invest real and big money - they'll use this king of "money steam".

[cayman]

Posted by kenkyushiryo (here)
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Hi,

i just wanted to ask do you think there is any relationship between this post, or whats happening in china now and a post i made a few days ago about this video?

Posted by kenkyushiryo (here)
.......the lord in questions was making a comment to other lords in the house about an entity he named "foundation x" who was willing to give very very large sums of gold bullion backed money to the uk for whatever uses it sees fit.

i saw on one of the copies of this video that it could be people in china who are making this offer for global strategic reasons.

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"foundation x"?? If I heard it right, as the Lord point out, the gold bullion under the foundation X is more than all sums of gold ever produced and ever known in the human history?? where is this gold come from? -----some place National Geography had mentioned some years ago.
-----the whole things sounds very fishy, yet I don't think the Lord is just kidding. there maybe some foundation have that sums of gold. But from China? I don't think it is possible, not to my knowledge. but you know what, it is said that gold is the most common element in the universe----base on what the astronaut said on the film footage of Apollo 20 video----which is contradict to the legend why the Anunnaki came to earth for the first place.
where the gold come from is certainly a very worthy hole to dig for

[cayman]

Posted by Tom Sawyer (here)
.....the money equivalent that China produce. They invest using a form of goods. ......Anyway - US DOLLARS are Rubbish also and everyone knows it. So investing overseas using US DOLLARS or RUBBISH GOODS looks the same for China, I think. And till China will not be allowed to invest real and big money - they'll use this king of "money steam".

That's a very interesting point of view, although this way is not that efficient, not good enough for some ambitious PTB

Posted by Tom Sawyer (here)
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You must understand that only US and some European counties get quality Chinese goods because of the laws and quality testing. The rest of the world has to use the cheapest Chinese goods which in fact is a disposable rubbish, sometimes toxic or everything you don't even want to think about! It's true. ..

Unfortunately,from what I heard, that is true,

Posted by Tom Sawyer (here)
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I talked with my Chinese business partners and they told me that products on a domestic Chinese market are of a good quality at a resonable cost. It's simple - if you produce Rubbish for a domestic market you most likely will find yourself in jail or even "in a loop". .......

Sadly, it is not entirely true. many many domestic products are also Rubbish and Toxic. this days, poison foods, fade drugs are so common in Chinese domestic market, "poor quality" would be an understatement. Every meal, every medical treatment in China today, what you really need is a leap of faith----and every body know it.

for instance, poison milk "incident" in 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

Former head of China's drug watchdog executed
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_6353536.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19686498...h-health_care/

I have a close connection with a member who was with the team which in charge of the investigation of the former director of SFDA, he told me, after they knew about how the drug get approved and being produced, they won't took a pill made in China anymore,never. So do I

you see, Capitalism developed in China is beyond the boundary of morality---sky the limit!

I’m sure Adam Smith will be amazed.

[cayman]

oh, my Chinese new year vocation is officially end.
the year of Rabbit,year of change,here we go!

[write4change]

I am coming back to keep my promise.

[write4change]

Since the other one disappeared I have thought a great deal about what to do differently. I always believe there is a reason for everything. The other one started with seeing the US through Ling's eyes maybe that is for later.

We flew to Tokyo first. At that time, I think it was considered too long a fight without a stop. We were in the air 17 hours as it was and it was a big 747 so maybe then the Beijing airport was not that big yet for commercial.

When we hit Tokyo, the entire airport was surrounded by tanks and there were black dressed security guards everywhere with uzis on their backs. We were told their was a peasant uprising over the government taking their land for airport expansion. Everywhere the people were colorfully and extremely well dressed. Look very European not American. Hats and white gloves everywhere. Uniforms of different types but highly colorful everywhere.

When we hit Beijing, almost everyone was wearing the blue and grey nongendered pants suits. Only professionals on professional business wore Western dress. There were lots and lots of red guard everywhere. They were all highly friendly and unarmed and seem to just instantly do whatever needed doing. I never felt intimidated by them the way I felt in Tokyo. We were only allowed to see Ling on a formal basis for lunch or dinner in a hotel and then only as part of a group. But it was a friendly group.

We often speculated about why the Chinese government did this and finally came to the conclusion that this was their way of judging who Americans themselves were. There were some happenings that felt like psychological experiments. Our tour guide was an East German who I never liked and never trusted. Him I never did get. He definitely told us lies which I perceived at once. I don't know if his whole thing was making money on the black market or what.

One of the things I noted is that any time the conversation was highly technical they spoke English. But if it was for conveying nuance they spoke Spanish. I often saw Japanese and Germans and Chinese all speaking Spanish. I was told it took only a few months to learn compared to English and then they all liked it better.

To my memory, we were never in a building over 5 stories high and I do not remember ever taking an elevator. There was much building going on and they were building skyscrapers with bamboo scaffolding. There was also thousands of people still making handmade bricks. When asked why they were doing this and it would take ten years to do this way...they said they would only really need them in ten years, most of these older people using low tech would be dead then---what would they do with all the unemployed. We told them they could do it with modern equipment in ten months instead of ten years and they said time is not money here. Time is living to completion.

We had a discussion of what it would be like if every citizen was given a bottle of windex as a free sample. With one billion people, how much stuff would be sprayed in a city alone. What would they do with all the empty bottles. Would the people even use it in the right way for the right things? This evolved into a discussion about the difference in market concepts. The Chinese were usually appalled at the lack of planning we displayed in general and the lack of thought to consequences and no acknowledgment of worse case scenarios.

One of the things we learned is that they really wanted to show us what they were really proud of. That for the first time they could feed all their people a minimum determined caloric count of like 1000 calories a day. They had done this in response to the famine they had that millions died in. It was admitted that such a thing would never again be acceptable. They had sent about 400,000 young Chinese all over the world to learn the world's complete horticulture by experience.

Some went to Peru and brought back a 1000 species of potatoes to plant in all kinds of climates. Some that grew on vines hanging off of rock cliffs. Until then I was stupid enough to think the Irish developed potatoes never knowing they came from Peru much less that Peru had over 3,000 species. They learned to plant bananas around lots of rice field to stop erosion. Got all kinds of lessons like that if you willing to listen which I was.

It soon became apparent that many of these Americans thought they were there to ogle the zoo in the interiors. Really embarrassed me. And Americans expressed openly not wanting the Chinese to change many things so to preserve their culture. We rode buses many places and I think they must have used American school buses both old and very uncomfortable. They were in the process of building roads in where they were most plentiful it was interesting to see how they worked then. I see none of that now. They were six lanes with the first one on the right being for walkers only. Then the next one was for bicycles only. Then their were all kinds of carts and rickshaws. Then there were buses. Then trucks. And then there were automobiles which were not that many. Other than the first three lanes there was no passing.

Everywhere we went we had the German guide and two young Chinese boys and one young Chinese girl--probably men and women is more accurate. Pretty soon the Chinese young woman hung out with me a lot. I think that is because I would answer anything in a way that worked because I had spent two years with Ling. All the restaurants we were taken too served what we would call family style. On round tables with big lazy Suzanne in the middle with food which was always local. It was obvious we were given the best and a certain amount that was considered more than sufficient. By the third day and for the rest of the trip, I would only drink tea and toast. The third day we were given some kind of soup with a puppy on the bottom of the dish.

One of the things that most surprised me was my husband who is normally quite fussy ate everything graciously and was really quite charming about it. I simply cannot eat what I cannot eat. I have a huge gag reflex. One of the things true then is the Chinese people will eat anything and everything. I saw lots of lizards on sticks like lollipops. I simply cannot handle it. I have no problem with someone else just not me. Everything seemed to be cooked whole. The fish innards were there as well as the eyes and people just picked around what they would eat. The nasty lawyers would constantly ask for more of some things--which you could see was a huge imposition. They also got addicted or used to Chinese beer and drank more than their allotment of that too.

The other thing that takes a while to dawn on you is that you see no animals like you see in the US. People didn't have pets per se. You did see oxen for work but not many. No insects. No birds. Once a pair of birds flew over us and everyone stopped and watched and applauded. One of the things that amused us is that LA had just paid millions for a pair of pandas from China and spent millions to build them special cages etc. I think it was Shanghai (they were in the midst of name changing and I can't keep them straight in my mind) we visited a real zoo and saw the most miserable looking pandas in the most miserable setting I had ever seen. It was a zoo that needed a lot of work but I especially remember the pandas because they had just been such a big deal.

They took all our money away from us and gave us Chinese money and they wanted us only to buy things from the "friendship shops." Everywhere they had established one they made a big deal out of us going there and going thru all their products. I was mostly interested in their art and textiles which I bought a lot of. I was smart enough to bring collapsible luggage and filled it up as I went along. Our government had stressed and given us a long list of contraband and what would be confiscated if we tried to bring it into our country--ivory, animals or their parts, any kind of drugs like aphodesiacs. I think we were always offered this to see what we would do. They had stunningly beautiful fur coats but tragically they were tigers and stuff they should not have done that to. When they say I would not buy they then brought out some incredibly uniques fir coats made in really interesting ways and I could not recognize the fur. They were shocked I was appalled when they told me dog and cat. They were specially raising them for this.

It was in Xian that by that time I had learned to just burrow myself in the crowd and do it. Here all the peasants could barter in at least 5 languages. And you could really see the Chinese entrepreneur spirit. This is where I bought things I never saw anywhere else. The German was really ticked. This was just becoming a major international tourist attraction. We were told that the whole place had been Xrayed/sonar? and that they were going to open the big tomb in two years. So far they still haven't. Any idea why? Like what don't they want people to see who would spend a small fortune to see it?

I think it was from Xian we flew to Tibet and I think they really wanted to discourage that. We flew in a 1952 Russian prop plane. The seats were plastic slings hanging from chains off the ceiling of the plane. The plane was filled with at least 100 people and no one seemed the least concerned about seat belts etc. The loudest scariest most uncomfortable bumpy plane ride of my life. I refused to get back on it once we got down. They were not happy about that.

It was here my husband got sick with the runs really bad. We ran out of the toilet paper we had been told to bring. The hotel we were staying in was the best around and the towels still had holes in them. You could still use them as towels so I case they had too much value not to use. Or it was still too hard to supply there. There still were not toilets but like public and private outhouses. They were appalled to find out my husband was using Chinese money as paper because he had nothing else.

In the deep interior we saw big extended communions that were really extended families. What was interesting is that in the same place you would see one on one side of the road high prosperous and everyone out working and smiling and waving. And the other one looking dilapidated and the people sullen and no smiling and no waving. I have no idea what that was about but it was evident that environment was not all.

I really loved the Chinese people who are warm and friendly my female guides brought me fresh English translations of books. One had a great effect on me telling about how much of Mao's army that marched up into the mountains died of loneliness having never been separated from people so long. At that time everywhere we went because to travel you began at the crack of dawn we would see in some places 100s and some 1000s of people out in the streets doing Tai Ching with the dawn. We were told folk stories and stuff in the long bus rides.

I remember being told that no Chinese is ever called great until he is dead because he can always mess up at the last minute. I also remember the idea that every thing is in cycles. Born coolie. Coolie work hard and buy land. Son work the land and become landlord. Grandson rent out the land and then sell the land. Great grandson coolie.

We seriously considered buying a condo in Beijing then for 30,000 but they would not let us rent it out in any form. I have always had a huge affinity for the Chinese people. While I do experience them in their own way as xenophobic; it also makes them not into imperialism. The Chines have always wanted to be left alone more than anything else. I see them playing on the world field to protect themselves. They had the greatest GDP of the world for centuries without leaving home. I do not think they will ever get over the British trying to take their ports and addict their people.

But when I look I China now--it looks like both they and India have adopted the worst of the West instead of preserving the best of their own.

I hope I have said nothing to offend you. That is not my intention. My intention is just to share. I would love to go back and it is my wish that the Chinese stand for themselves and face the reality if the West gets its way it will do the Anglo Saxon Mission which is disgusting. If I could go back to China I would in heart beat.

Like your young friends before you I will answer any and all questions. This is what is on the forefront of my memories.

Peace, Cayman from Jai

[yhvh]

祝大家新年快乐 My friends

[sunnyrap]

Cayman, thank you for the interesting travelogue. A close friend just took an extended trip to China. She, however, did not use a travel guide but took a guide book and backpacked all over the country, including Tibet. Like you, she found the Chinese people warm, friendly and lovely. She said she wouldn't have a problem living there (though I experienced some doubt about this statement--she being very accustomed to Western luxury). We both love Chinese art and artifacts, however.

[cayman]

Posted by write4change (here)
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I hope I have said nothing to offend you. That is not my intention. My intention is just to share. I would love to go back and it is my wish that the Chinese stand for themselves and face the reality if the West gets its way it will do the Anglo Saxon Mission which is disgusting. If I could go back to China I would in heart beat.

Like your young friends before you I will answer any and all questions. This is what is on the forefront of my memories.

Peace, Cayman from Jai

Wow, love this! Jai, if I may, you're very kind and sweat, thank you so much for your detail writing. I think I would take my time to digest and enjoying

[write4change]

Thinking about things are starting to come back. TV was just starting up on the national level. And it was only on certain hours. And I was told that it was so because they feared the people would get addicted and not want to work. So lots of time it had only test patterns. The main non new fair was soap operas. I watched one several times. There was no English subtitles. I just watched the facial expressions and what I could see. This one that was very popular the main star was 10 year old boy. He also had an older sister. It seemed like everything in the whole household revolved around him. He was supposed to be both charming and funny. I was not that impressed and felt he treated his sister badly and it seemed to be her role to do almost everything for him. Both kids went to school and there was a lot of action about that. The mother was not around much and the father was very stiff.

I remember after watching one of these and talking to the girl guide about the new one child rule. And she said the educated women were all for it because it would make women more valuable faster than any other way. It was foreseen that there would be more men than women by far. It was felt that would be a form of birth control also. What apparently was not foreseen is that these lone prince men would not take care of their parents. It seems it is the women who make men fulfill their obligations. i recently read where the Chinese government is considering passing a law to make children care for their parents. Is that so?

The other thing that may have captured their attention on me with the guides is at that time I had red hair and blue eyes but wore green contacts. I found out from some severe kid reactions that the typical Chinese fairy tale the witch is always red haired and green eyed. The children of more sophisticated parents like in Beijing wanted to be brought over to talk to me. There were a couple of times I felt like a Disney character. In the interior, some kids would take one look and run screaming for their mom. LOL

All the national groups were kept separate from one another until one day we took a day tour on what was like an old water wheel boat from the old south quite big. We did an entire day on the Yangtze River on the boat with tours from around the world. Germans, Dutch, Aftican, there may have been about 200 of us. There I got into a real debate with some famous Catholic Bishop who had just written a book called I Love Idi Ahmine. Well it was that day that I found out our group was not only Americans but all Jews. When I got into it with this bishop (not mean but intense) I told him I had been born and raised Catholic and he was sort of full of it. Well the Jews in my group had no idea I had converted and then they essentially shunned me for the rest of the trip for my un pardonable sin of "passing." So Xenophobia exists everywhere. Ling was hugely proud of the fact she had direct descending from the family of the yellow han.

When you are ready I will tell you how Ling saw our country and aspects of her visit here.

[cayman]

Posted by write4change (here)
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But when I look I China now--it looks like both they and India have adopted the worst of the West instead of preserving the best of their own.

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You got that right. Especially China, the CCP claim that it is a "Socialism with Chinese characteristics", may be that is a genuine purpose at the beginning, but now it mutate to an uncontrollable monster.-----but look at the bright side, soon when things get out of hands, people might ask: now, what is next? they may run out of options with "Ism"

[write4change]

Just remembered one important thing. Universal education had never been made available to people on a whole because the government thought if all the people were educated people they would want to read books all day. They were astonished to find out that like Americans most people on a whole were not crazy to read books and wanted to spend their time doing more interacting things. Kids would study by incentives and parent pressure but not by their own choice. I was told that very quickly all their fears of universal education turned out to be unfounded and if anything made students much more amenable to state planning.

[Icecold]

When the war starts it will be a case of perfect timing.