Trump is NOT the answer

[onawah]

We have devoted quite a lot of time over the years on this forum, with testimony from various whistleblowers such as David Icke, to exploration of the premise that the "ruling families" have been controlled by off world entities for a very long time, and why that is.
I don't think anyone, included the founder of the forum, Bill Ryan, would have done so if we considered it to be a total waste of time.
On the contrary, I think it's a perfect time to explore those possibilities, given that we have more information and an excellent platform from which to do so, unlike any other time in recent history.
If you consider such speculation to be gibberish or fantasizing, I can't help but wonder why you have joined this forum.

Posted by ripple (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
If creating chaos and confusion ( or "Loosh") is the ultimate goal, then we should not expect things to make a lot of sense.
If the whole NWO game was actually devised by off-world entities, their motivations will logically be more obscure to us than any of our own devising.
imho

If ' loosh' was true , then writing in Forums and generally discussing likely strategies is a complete and utter waste of time !! ??
But bringing 'off - world entities ' into the premise is just a variation on the , " What if .. " game and is a mix of fantasy and gibberish , imho.
Pointless because it could continue forever and is irrational .
On the other hand I would say that the whole history of Elite inspired False Flags is an uninterrupted narrative of stupidity and amateurism .Because they are always found out . To now believe that we are faced by a completely brand new team of clever and thorough experts and specialists is not just a step too far , it is a million miles too far .Again , imho .

[ripple]

Posted by onawah (here)
We have devoted quite a lot of time over the years on this forum, with testimony from various whistleblowers such as David Icke, to exploration of the premise that the "ruling families" have been controlled by off world entities for a very long time, and why that is.
I don't think anyone, included the founder of the forum, Bill Ryan, would have done so if we considered it to be a total waste of time.
On the contrary, I think it's a perfect time to explore those possibilities, given that we have more information and an excellent platform from which to do, unlike at any other time in recent history.
If you consider such speculation to be gibberish or fantasizing, I can't help but wonder why you have joined this forum.

Posted by ripple (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
If creating chaos and confusion ( or "Loosh") is the ultimate goal, then we should not expect things to make a lot of sense.
If the whole NWO game was actually devised by off-world entities, their motivations will logically be more obscure to us than any of our own devising.
imho

If ' loosh' was true , then writing in Forums and generally discussing likely strategies is a complete and utter waste of time !! ??
But bringing 'off - world entities ' into the premise is just a variation on the , " What if .. " game and is a mix of fantasy and gibberish , imho.
Pointless because it could continue forever and is irrational .
On the other hand I would say that the whole history of Elite inspired False Flags is an uninterrupted narrative of stupidity and amateurism .Because they are always found out . To now believe that we are faced by a completely brand new team of clever and thorough experts and specialists is not just a step too far , it is a million miles too far .Again , imho .

I would be delighted to be shown to be mistaken .
However difficult you may , or may not , find it to accept , I am completely open minded in principle . But I am not disposed to make a leap of faith just because others have .At least imo .
This Forum clearly has some very clever and experienced specialists as members . It would be arrogant of me not to listen to their opinions first hand and in detail . So far I consider it a delight and privilege .
But equally I will not accept discriminatory language based solely on the fact that I am not following 'party lines ' . And I am sure you do not disagree with my open minded position .

[onawah]

I am very open minded, actually. When I first joined this forum, I thought Icke's ideas about shape shifters were quite ridiculous.
But after years of studying his work and other credible whistleblowers such as Richard Dolan C.A. Fitts, Bob Dean, etc. etc., not to mention Experiencers, Abducteers, Targeted Individuals, etc. etc. on this forum and elsewhere, my opinions have changed, and changed again, and undoubtedly will continue to change.
I don't apply words such as gibberish or fantasizing anymore unless after long research.

Posted by ripple (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
We have devoted quite a lot of time over the years on this forum, with testimony from various whistleblowers such as David Icke, to exploration of the premise that the "ruling families" have been controlled by off world entities for a very long time, and why that is.
I don't think anyone, included the founder of the forum, Bill Ryan, would have done so if we considered it to be a total waste of time.
On the contrary, I think it's a perfect time to explore those possibilities, given that we have more information and an excellent platform from which to do, unlike at any other time in recent history.
If you consider such speculation to be gibberish or fantasizing, I can't help but wonder why you have joined this forum.

Posted by ripple (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
If creating chaos and confusion ( or "Loosh") is the ultimate goal, then we should not expect things to make a lot of sense.
If the whole NWO game was actually devised by off-world entities, their motivations will logically be more obscure to us than any of our own devising.
imho

If ' loosh' was true , then writing in Forums and generally discussing likely strategies is a complete and utter waste of time !! ??
But bringing 'off - world entities ' into the premise is just a variation on the , " What if .. " game and is a mix of fantasy and gibberish , imho.
Pointless because it could continue forever and is irrational .
On the other hand I would say that the whole history of Elite inspired False Flags is an uninterrupted narrative of stupidity and amateurism .Because they are always found out . To now believe that we are faced by a completely brand new team of clever and thorough experts and specialists is not just a step too far , it is a million miles too far .Again , imho .

I would be delighted to be shown to be mistaken .
However difficult you may , or may not , find it to accept , I am completely open minded in principle . But I am not disposed to make a leap of faith just because others have .At least imo .
This Forum clearly has some very clever and experienced specialists as members . It would be arrogant of me not to listen to their opinions first hand and in detail . So far I consider it a delight and privilege .
But equally I will not accept discriminatory language based solely on the fact that I am not following 'party lines ' . And I am sure you do not disagree with my open minded position .

[ripple]

[QUOTE=onawah;1267679]I am very open minded, actually. When I first joined this forum, I thought Icke's ideas about shape shifters were quite ridiculous.
But after years of studying his work and other credible whistleblowers such as Richard Dolan C.A. Fitts, Bob Dean, etc. etc., not to mention Experiencers, Abducteers, Targeted Individuals, etc. etc. on this forum and elsewhere, my opinions have changed, and changed again, and undoubtedly will continue to change.
I don't apply words such as gibberish or fantasizing anymore unless after long research.
We have devoted quite a lot of time over the years on this forum, with testimony from various whistleblowers such as David Icke, to exploration of the premise that the "ruling families" have been controlled by off world entities for a very long time, and why that is.
I don't think anyone, included the founder of the forum, Bill Ryan, would have done so if we considered it to be a total waste of time.
On the contrary, I think it's a perfect time to explore those possibilities, given that we have more information and an excellent platform from which to do, unlike at any other time in recent history.
If you consider such speculation to be gibberish or fantasizing, I can't help but wonder why you have joined this forum.QUOTE



Now you could be accused of being patronising --- but i don't imagine that was intended .
So I will let you into a secret although I am not yet prepared to give support details ;-
I have been 'at it' longer than you .
Now there's a bold statement . But I am open to a big wager that I am right and by some distance .
Regardless , we both have declared ourselves and hopefully we will continue to meet in an excellent spirit .
Incidentally , my use of the terms , 'fantasy and gibberish' referred to the principle of extending a discussion by repeatedly adding , 'What If ' extras . it was not specifically directed at the suggestion that geopolitics is regulated by off-world entities , though I contend that you later defended Brandon Smith's position by introducing that as 'an extra ' . And unless my ancillary course in Logic has been totally forgotten , that is not permitted .

[onawah]

Now, how could you possibly know how long I have been "at it"?
I don't recall adding any "what ifs" to the discussion.
Sorry, no comprehende; re you will have to more clear than that : "though I contend that you later defended Brandon Smith's position by introducing that as 'an extra ' . And unless my ancillary course in Logic has been totally forgotten , that is not permitted"

Posted by ripple (here)
Now you could be accused of being patronising --- but i don't imagine that was intended .
So I will let you into a secret although I am not yet prepared to give support details ;-
I have been 'at it' longer than you .
Now there's a bold statement . But I am open to a big wager that I am right and by some distance .
Regardless , we both have declared ourselves and hopefully we will continue to meet in an excellent spirit .
Incidentally , my use of the terms , 'fantasy and gibberish' referred to the principle of extending a discussion by repeatedly adding , 'What If ' extras . it was not specifically directed at the suggestion that geopolitics is regulated by off-world entities , though I contend that you later defended Brandon Smith's position by introducing that as 'an extra ' . And unless my ancillary course in Logic has been totally forgotten , that is not permitted .

[East Sun]

I asked a number of times, "answer to WHAT"?

A question or statement like yours deserves an appropriate answer.

He has answered a number of times and will continues to answer, so answer my question, answer to what?

[onawah]

Who are you addressing, East Sun?

Posted by East Sun (here)
I asked a number of times, "answer to WHAT"?

A question or statement like yours deserves an appropriate answer.

He has answered a number of times and will continues to answer, so answer my question, answer to what?

[ripple]

Posted by onawah (here)
Now, how could you possibly know how long I have been "at it"?

That is something that you will have to think about .
Facts . I am not a fool and I have also given you the info that I gamble selectively and I consider any such wager a"steal ". About a 100% win chance .
Ask , why would someone , who otherwise appears careful , make what appears to be a rash call ? Or , better, what conditions are needed for him ------ ?
Separately , the , 'what if .. ' is the off-planet entities add on .
I don't think we should be cluttering this perfectly good topic with our private banter and differences .

[ripple]

I prefer this to the Brandon Smith approach . It completely covers my long held belief which is exactly why I offer it .


In our interview ( SomeStuffMatters ) with Sacha Stone, he says the "deep state" has already lost, and credits the Trump administration and Putin legacy for “ratting out the Babylonian Priesthood.”
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“The intelligence agencies of the world are largely responsible for human trafficking and pedophile rings—and drugs and guns and gold—but good people within those agencies have come together and appear to be ratting out the nefarious elements. That, I think, is a signature of where we're at right now, as a civilization. Good people within these government agencies and even within the deep state of the military intellectual complex—good military brass and good intelligence officers—are coming together and ratting out, cleaning house themselves. That is absolutely a signature of 2018-2019. Actually, I'd say it's a signature of the Trump administration and certainly the Putin legacy as well. I think history will reflect that Putin and Trump are two living men of the living soil who have managed to rat out the Babylonian Priesthood, one way or the other, and that's not necessarily a testament to their own vision and their own noble expression, but they are certainly the totems that are at the front of the incumbencies of the Russian presidency and the American presidency that have aligned for the first time, I believe, in history."

[East Sun]

The original poster, onawah...

[Jayke]

Does anyone here follow Karen Hudes?

https://mobile.twitter.com/KarenHudes

She claims to be a lawyer for The Global Debt Facility, which is, allegedly, an organisation working to prevent the global economic collapse that the banksters have planned. I have no idea if she’s legit, but she does have lots of fascinating intel on deep state structure and power dynamics, much of which aligns well with my own independent research.

In one of her latest PDF releases she claims Trump is aligned with the Knights of Malta, and that Q is a psyop to keep people distracted from the economic fight that’s going down between the banksters who want chaos, and the good guys who are trying to make a smooth transition as the Debt bubble bursts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter1.3.19.1.pdf

[ripple]

Posted by Jayke (here)
Does anyone here follow Karen Hudes?

She claims to be a lawyer for The Global Debt Facility, which is, allegedly, an organisation working to prevent the global economic collapse that the banksters have planned. I have no idea if she’s legit, but she does have lots of fascinating intel on deep state structure and power dynamics, much of which aligns well with my own independent research.

In one of her latest PDF releases she claims Trump is aligned with the Knights of Malta, and that Q is a psyop to keep people distracted from the economic fight that’s going down between the banksters who want chaos, and the good guys who are trying to make a smooth transition as the Debt bubble bursts.

You should consider researching this lady . Here is the result of one such researcher's findings -- summary position only .
QUOTE
Both Karen and her husband are Marxist Jews. Karen is very careful never to reveal anything about her Ashkenazi Jewish background, family, private interests. Karen worked for the World Bank, controlled by Jews, as a senior lawyer for many years and her husband has also worked for the World Bank as well. So how come, all of a sudden, she leaves the World Bank to become a “whistle-blower” exposing corruption at the the World Bank, IMF, Federal Reserve, US Justice system and US government? – attacking her own fellow Jews? – it simply doesn’t make sense does it?

The real truth is she is a Jewish ‘disinformation agent’ or ambassador of the bankers themselves working for the British. What she is saying is briefly this: “I am here to forewarn you all that the old, out-dated, corrupt, Bretton Woods banking system has had its day, and is about to be replaced with a new world order financial system and World Currency Unit.” It is really as simple as that.
END OF QUOTE

And I find it believable . But I also believe that Trump has been similarly converted and also has connections with the Knights of Malta -- not in itself a black mark .imho .But perhaps surprising given his own deep Jewish connections stretching back to his grandfather's upbringing in Germany -- of all places . Just like the Bush family , albeit through adoption .

[onawah]

I won't be thinking about it, Ripple.
I am not a Q fan, and your cryptic messages hold the same dissonant vibe for me as Q.
BTW, it is considered good forum manners to provide links for the material you are quoting.

[Jayke]

Posted by ripple (here)

Posted by Jayke (here)
Does anyone here follow Karen Hudes?

She claims to be a lawyer for The Global Debt Facility, which is, allegedly, an organisation working to prevent the global economic collapse that the banksters have planned. I have no idea if she’s legit, but she does have lots of fascinating intel on deep state structure and power dynamics, much of which aligns well with my own independent research.

In one of her latest PDF releases she claims Trump is aligned with the Knights of Malta, and that Q is a psyop to keep people distracted from the economic fight that’s going down between the banksters who want chaos, and the good guys who are trying to make a smooth transition as the Debt bubble bursts.

You should consider researching this lady . Here is the result of one such researcher's findings -- summary position only .
QUOTE
Both Karen and her husband are Marxist Jews. Karen is very careful never to reveal anything about her Ashkenazi Jewish background, family, private interests. Karen worked for the World Bank, controlled by Jews, as a senior lawyer for many years and her husband has also worked for the World Bank as well. So how come, all of a sudden, she leaves the World Bank to become a “whistle-blower” exposing corruption at the the World Bank, IMF, Federal Reserve, US Justice system and US government? – attacking her own fellow Jews? – it simply doesn’t make sense does it?

The real truth is she is a Jewish ‘disinformation agent’ or ambassador of the bankers themselves working for the British. What she is saying is briefly this: “I am here to forewarn you all that the old, out-dated, corrupt, Bretton Woods banking system has had its day, and is about to be replaced with a new world order financial system and World Currency Unit.” It is really as simple as that.
END OF QUOTE

And I find it believable . But I also believe that Trump has been similarly converted and also has connections with the Knights of Malta -- not in itself a black mark .imho .But perhaps surprising given his own deep Jewish connections stretching back to his grandfather's upbringing in Germany -- of all places . Just like the Bush family , albeit through adoption .

I was skeptical as soon as she said she received her law degree at Yale, which is always a red flag, but some of the intel she’s giving away does seem to be fairly legit. I’ll keep her in the ‘Benjamin Fulford’ camp of believability for now, and see how well her assertions pan out.

I have been swaying more to the ‘Babylonian Brotherhood’ are organised by a different species of humans recently. Not so much aliens, as more like an older species of human that have been interplanetary since the time of the Vedic vimanas. A larger headed species, maybe a Basque Alumbrados faction, that have been manipulating the Zionist and Talmudist movements, ever since Moses was booted out of Egypt and settled the tribe of Judah in Meroe. There’s a Jewish guy whose research I respect, who introduced me to the idea that Meroe, in Sudan, may have had off world contact with Meroz, an old Jewish name for Mars. Sounds pretty crazy, but it would explain some of the more anomalous data points I’ve gathered over the years:

• http://alternativegenhist.blogspot.c...an-rivals.html

The white Massaites of Ishmael (of I y-dna) had settled in Europe after the Ice Age (1350 BC onwards). The I y-dna clade of Massaites and their rivals the E1b Amu or Amalekites were the inhabitants of Meroz (Mars) mentioned in the time of the Judges, in the Bible, who returned to Earth after 1350 BC when cataclysmic events struck both Mars and Earth, connected with the coming of a Comet.

The Massaites had established a base in Europe and the Pyramid structures in the Crimea and Bosnia were part of their kingdom in the period around 1850 BC. Joseph may have learnt about Pyramids and the advanced culture of the Ishmaelite Tribe of Massa from the Ishmaelites who bought him off the Midianites (Genesis 37:28). It may have been in conjunction with them that he developed his Pyramid project for Egypt and that some of the R1a y-dna Ephraimites, R1b Zebulonites and the I y-dna Massaites established the Kingdom of Olympus or Valhalla on Mars as a base to the interstellar human colonies in the Pleiades region. It was from these Massaites that the later Royal Assyrians (I2c y-dna), Sarmatians (I2 y-dna) and Vikings or Assir (I1 y-dna) would descend.

Trump, ever the pragmatist, knows how to work with multiple factions to make progress with his own agenda, I’m sure. And there’s still enough signs of progress being made against the deep state for me to remain hopeful of a positive outcome—averting a disastrous financial collapse for instance—in the process.

Does Trump serve the interests of humanity? or has he sold us out to an off planet elite like the majority of our useless Western politicians seem to have done?

I still feel humanities long overdue another Renaissance period, once the rising wave of nationalism has sufficiently eroded the most nefarious aspect of the globalist order.

[onawah]

Outrage as Students in MAGA hats mocking & harassing Native American at indigenous peoples' march
Truly disgusting behavior on the part of these students.
This certainly does Trump and "The Wall" no credit.
But it's hardly surprising considering his policies and actions against Native Americans and the people of Standing Rock in particular.
Evidently this is the result of the example he is setting for the youth of this country...
Sure, "Trump's not perfect, no one is", etc. etc....but it's no exaggeration to say that this shocking, disrespectful behavior leaves a lot of room for improvement.



Julia Blog
Published on Jan 19, 2019
The videos posted on Twitter by people yesterday show students allegedly from Covington Catholic High School in Kentucky mocking an elderly Native American protester, while he is playing a drum and singing songs.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4dVtLZMoS2M

[Satori]

I fail to see how their behavior can be attributed to Trump. They and they alone are responsible for their behavior. At best, or worst, they are the product of those who reared them and their own choices.

[onawah]

They are wearing Make America Great Again hats, and coming from a Catholic school.
Apparently those present at the event felt there was a connection, and I think they would know better than we, who were not.
They are also a product of our nations' leader's actions, and he has been very aggressive towards Native Americans and the environment.

Posted by Satori (here)
I fail to see how their behavior can be attributed to Trump. They and they alone are responsible for their behavior. At best, or worst, they are the product of those who reared them and their own choices.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Satori (here)
I fail to see how their behavior can be attributed to Trump. They and they alone are responsible for their behavior. At best, or worst, they are the product of those who reared them and their own choices.

Come come now, Satori. We are products of our political culture and social milieu as well. Trump has repeatedly demonized caravans of migrants from Central Ameica as "terrorists," (for example) when this is completely untrue. He has helped stir seeds of mob mentality in some of his base. To suggest otherwise isn't fair or balanced.

[onawah]

The issue I am most concerned with at present is Trump's treatment of the Native Americans, in particular the people of Standing Rock, and the example that is setting for US youth, who probably have no idea of how shockingly they have been treated since Europeans first came to American shores.
And thanks in part to Trump's policies, I doubt very much that they would care even if they did know.
There undoubtedly are a lot of terrorists in those caravans of migrants, and that is a similar issue, since it is our own government's aggression in Central America in large part that have helped to create the crisis there.
But to my mind, it's how badly the indigenous people of our own country have been treated that is even worse, and that's not getting nearly enough public attention, imho.

[AutumnW]

Onawah, there aren't terrorists in those caravans. The few terrorists in the U.S. come off planes from the Middle East. There is no jihadist religious fervour propelling movement out of Central America. Though, by rights, you couldn't blame those from places like El Slavador, if they were in a fury.

I believe those who have Netflix can watch the Ken Burns documentary called, "The West," for education about how native Americans were treated. Beyond horrible.