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    My thinking on that score is obviously based on different sources of info than yours. It wouldn't surprise me at all, as some sources claim, that Soros is helping to fund those caravans, and making them as toxic as he possibly can.
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    Onawah, there aren't terrorists in those caravans. The few terrorists in the U.S. come off planes from the Middle East. There is no jihadist religious fervour propelling movement out of Central America. Though, by rights, you couldn't blame those from places like El Slavador, if they were in a fury.

    I believe those who have Netflix can watch the Ken Burns documentary called, "The West," for education about how native Americans were treated. Beyond horrible.
    I certainly agree 200% about how "beyond horrible" the N.A. have been treated! It's a national disgrace, and very, very bad karma.
    It hurts to see those callow youth acting so disrespectfully and ignorantly, and I hold Trump responsible for that in some part.
    That doesn't mean ( I probably have to repeat it each time I post on this thread) that I think everything he is doing is wrong!
    But enough certainly is wrong to make it necessary to speak out...
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    Nathan Phillips Indigenous Peoples March
    posted 18 minutes ago 1/19/19

    "This is a video from the moments before yesterday's incident, in which MAGA (Make American Great Again) hat -wearing youth jeered at elder #NathanPhillips while he ceremonially sang and drummed.
    This crowd of high school aged boys, attending the March for Life, were taunting and trying to overpower a group of Native Americans, including two elders. There were a large number of students, with no apparent adult chaperones in sight.
    Stand with us in asking President Trump to condemn the brutish and racist behaviors exhibited yesterday on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial: https://www.lakotalaw.org/our-actions/end-racism "


    And just following that, this happened ( as posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1270496)


    Very egregious behavior.
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    Media Wildly Mischaracterized Video of Covington Catholic Students Confronting a Native American Veteran
    Journalists who uncritically accepted Nathan Phillips' story got this completely wrong.
    Jan. 20, 2019 https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/c...phillips-video

    ( This is in reference to the posts above about the recent incident in D.C.
    The account in this post reads more like someone wrote it for the Catholic high school student, but no big deal if the account is true, and it's certainly a far cry from the initial media reports!
    Also a relief--no doubt a lot of people were disturbed by what we were being told had happened, when apparently it was more a matter of confusion getting the upper hand in a tense situation, not high school students showing early signs of becoming sociopaths.
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    "Partial video footage of students from a Catholic high school allegedly harassing a Native American veteran after the anti-abortion March for Life rally in Washington, D.C., over the weekend quickly went viral, provoking widespread condemnation of the kids on social media. Various media figures and Twitter users called for them to be doxed, shamed, or otherwise punished, and school administrators said they would consider expulsion.

    But the rest of the video—nearly two hours of additional footage showing what happened before and after the encounter—adds important context that strongly contradicts the media's narrative.

    Far from engaging in racially motivated harassment, the group of mostly white, MAGA-hat-wearing male teenagers remained relatively calm and restrained despite being subjected to incessant racist, homophobic, and bigoted verbal abuse by members of the bizarre religious sect Black Hebrew Israelites, who were lurking nearby. The BHI has existed since the late 19th century, and is best describes as a black nationalist cult movement; its members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites, and often express condemnation of white people, Christians, and gays. DC-area Black Hebrews are known to spout particularly vile bigotry.

    Phillips put himself between the teens and the black nationalists, chanting and drumming as he marched straight into the middle of the group of young people. What followed was several minutes of confusion: The teens couldn't quite decide whether Phillips was on their side or not, but tentatively joined in his chanting. It's not at all clear this was intended as an act of mockery rather than solidarity.

    One student did not get out of Phillips way as he marched, and gave the man a hard stare and a smile that many have described as creepy. This moment received the most media coverage: The teen has been called the product of a "hate factory" and likened to a school shooter, segregation-era racist, and member of the Ku Klux Klan. I have no idea what he was thinking, but portraying this as an example of obvious, racially-motivated hate is a stretch. Maybe he simply had no idea why this man was drumming in his face, and couldn't quite figure out the best response? It bears repeating that Phillips approached him, not the other way around.

    And that's all there is to it. Phillips walked away after several minutes, the Black Hebrew Israelites continued to insult the crowd, and nothing else happened.

    You can judge for yourself. Here is video footage of the full incident, from the perspective of the black nationalists. Phillips enters the picture around the 1:12 mark, but if you skip to that part, you miss an hour of the Black Hebrew Israelites hurling obscenities at the students. They call them crackers, faggots, and pedophiles. At the 1:20 mark (which comes after the Phillips incident) they call one of the few black students the n-word and tell him that his friends are going to murder him and steal his organs. At the 1:25 mark, they complain that "you give faggots rights," which prompted booing from the students. Throughout the video they threaten the kids with violence, and attempt to goad them into attacking first. The students resisted these taunts admirably: They laughed at the hecklers, and they perform a few of their school's sports cheers.

    It was at this moment that Phillips, who had attended a nearby peace protest led by indigenous peoples, decided to intervene. He would later tell The Detroit Free Press that the teenagers "were in the process of attacking these four black individuals" and he decided to attempt to de-escalate the situation. He seems profoundly mistaken: The video footage taken by the black nationalists shows no evidence the white teenagers had any intention of attacking. Nevertheless, Phillips characterized the kids as "beasts" and the hate-group members as "their prey":

    "There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

    Again, all the evidence suggests that Phillips got it backward.

    He also claimed that he heard chants of "build the wall." While I cannot rule out the possibility that some of the kids indeed chanted this—those who were wearing MAGA hats are presumably Trump supporters—I did not hear a single utterance of the phrase in the nearly two hours of video footage I watched. Admittedly, the kids do a lot of chanting and it's not always possible to tell what they are saying. Their stated explanation is that they engaged in a series of school sports chants: That's what one student told a local news reporter. His account largely tracks with the video.

    "We are an all-male school that loves to get hyped up," said this student. "And as we have done for years prior, we decided to do some cheers to pass time. In the midst of our cheers, we were approached by a group of adults led by Nathan Phillips, with Phillips beating his drum. They forced their way to the center of our group. We initially thought this was a cultural display since he was beating along to our cheers and so we clapped to the beat." According to this student, the smiling student was grinning because he was enjoying the music, but eventually became confused, along with everyone else. (Indeed, multiple people can be heard to shout, "what is going on?")

    It would be impossible to definitively state that none of the young men did anything wrong, offensive, or problematic, at some point, and maybe the smiling student was attempting to intimidate Phillips. But there's shockingly little evidence of wrongdoing, unless donning a Trump hat and standing in a group of other people doing the same is now an act of harassment or violence. Phillips' account, meanwhile, is at best flawed, and arguably deliberately misleading.

    Unless other information emerges, the school's best move would be to have a conversation with the boys about the incident, perhaps discuss some strategies for remaining on perfect behavior at highly charged political rallies—where everybody is recording everything on a cell phone—and let that be the end of it.

    The boys are undoubtedly owed an apology from the numerous people who joined this social media pile-on. This is shaping up to be one of the biggest major media misfires in quite some time.

    Updated at 8:30 p.m.: Nick Sandmann, the Covington student in the middle of the controversy, has released a statement. Here it is in full:

    I am providing this factual account of what happened on Friday afternoon at the Lincoln Memorial to correct misinformation and outright lies being spread about my family and me.

    I am the student in the video who was confronted by the Native American protestor. I arrived at the Lincoln Memorial at 4:30 p.m. I was told to be there by 5:30 p.m., when our busses were due to leave Washington for the trip back to Kentucky. We had been attending the March for Life rally, and then had split up into small groups to do sightseeing.

    When we arrived, we noticed four African American protestors who were also on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. I am not sure what they were protesting, and I did not interact with them. I did hear them direct derogatory insults at our school group.

    The protestors said hateful things. They called us "racists," "bigots," "white crackers," "faggots," and "incest kids." They also taunted an African American student from my school by telling him that we would "harvest his organs." I have no idea what that insult means, but it was startling to hear.

    Because we were being loudly attacked and taunted in public, a student in our group asked one of our teacher chaperones for permission to begin our school spirit chants to counter the hateful things that were being shouted at our group. The chants are commonly used at sporting events. They are all positive in nature and sound like what you would hear at any high school. Our chaperone gave us permission to use our school chants. We would not have done that without obtaining permission from the adults in charge of our group.

    At no time did I hear any student chant anything other than the school spirit chants. I did not witness or hear any students chant "build that wall" or anything hateful or racist at any time. Assertions to the contrary are simply false. Our chants were loud because we wanted to drown out the hateful comments that were being shouted at us by the protestors.

    After a few minutes of chanting, the Native American protestors, who I hadn't previously noticed, approached our group. The Native American protestors had drums and were accompanied by at least one person with a camera.

    The protestor everyone has seen in the video began playing his drum as he waded into the crowd, which parted for him. I did not see anyone try to block his path. He locked eyes with me and approached me, coming within inches of my face. He played his drum the entire time he was in my face.

    I never interacted with this protestor. I did not speak to him. I did not make any hand gestures or other aggressive moves. To be honest, I was startled and confused as to why he had approached me. We had already been yelled at by another group of protestors, and when the second group approached I was worried that a situation was getting out of control where adults were attempting to provoke teenagers.

    I believed that by remaining motionless and calm, I was helping to diffuse the situation. I realized everyone had cameras and that perhaps a group of adults was trying to provoke a group of teenagers into a larger conflict. I said a silent prayer that the situation would not get out of hand.

    During the period of the drumming, a member of the protestor's entourage began yelling at a fellow student that we "stole our land" and that we should "go back to Europe." I heard one of my fellow students begin to respond. I motioned to my classmate and tried to get him to stop engaging with the protestor, as I was still in the mindset that we needed to calm down tensions.

    I never felt like I was blocking the Native American protestor. He did not make any attempt to go around me. It was clear to me that he had singled me out for a confrontation, although I am not sure why.

    The engagement ended when one of our teachers told me the busses had arrived and it was time to go. I obeyed my teacher and simply walked to the busses. At that moment, I thought I had diffused the situation by remaining calm, and I was thankful nothing physical had occurred.

    I never understood why either of the two groups of protestors were engaging with us, or exactly what they were protesting at the Lincoln Memorial. We were simply there to meet a bus, not become central players in a media spectacle. This is the first time in my life I've ever encountered any sort of public protest, let alone this kind of confrontation or demonstration.

    I was not intentionally making faces at the protestor. I did smile at one point because I wanted him to know that I was not going to become angry, intimidated or be provoked into a larger confrontation. I am a faithful Christian and practicing Catholic, and I always try to live up to the ideals my faith teaches me – to remain respectful of others, and to take no action that would lead to conflict or violence.

    I harbor no ill will for this person. I respect this person's right to protest and engage in free speech activities, and I support his chanting on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial any day of the week. I believe he should re-think his tactics of invading the personal space of others, but that is his choice to make.

    I am being called every name in the book, including a racist, and I will not stand for this mob-like character assassination of my family's name. My parents were not on the trip, and I strive to represent my family in a respectful way in all public settings.

    I have received physical and death threats via social media, as well as hateful insults. One person threatened to harm me at school, and one person claims to live in my neighborhood. My parents are receiving death and professional threats because of the social media mob that has formed over this issue.

    I love my school, my teachers and my classmates. I work hard to achieve good grades and to participate in several extracurricular activities. I am mortified that so many people have come to believe something that did not happen – that students from my school were chanting or acting in a racist fashion toward African Americans or Native Americans. I did not do that, do not have hateful feelings in my heart, and did not witness any of my classmates doing that.

    I cannot speak for everyone, only for myself. But I can tell you my experience with Covington Catholic is that students are respectful of all races and cultures. We also support everyone's right to free speech. I am not going to comment on the words or account of Mr. Phillips, as I don't know him and would not presume to know what is in his heart or mind. Nor am I going to comment further on the other protestors, as I don't know their hearts or minds, either.

    I have read that Mr. Phillips is a veteran of the United States Marines. I thank him for his service and am grateful to anyone who puts on the uniform to defend our nation. If anyone has earned the right to speak freely, it is a U.S. Marine veteran.

    I can only speak for myself and what I observed and felt at the time. But I would caution everyone passing judgement based on a few seconds of video to watch the longer video clips that are on the internet, as they show a much different story than is being portrayed by people with agendas.

    I provided this account of events to the Diocese of Covington so they may know exactly what happened, and I stand ready and willing to cooperate with any investigation they are conducting."
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    There are always more sides to a story.
    Unfortunately it’s the propaganda most people fall for, before checking the facts.


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    Quote Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)
    Unfortunately it’s the propaganda most people fall for, before checking the facts.
    In regards to what that one black adult man is yelling at the teenagers at around 4 minutes in the video, that the video editor put "LOL ACCURATE" above, that's actually not that accurate. For one thing, homosexuality, and feminine homosexuals in particular, were frowned upon in ancient Greece. Most people probably aren't aware that Athens actually had laws against it, for example. The popular conceptions to the contrary are largely a creation of popular media and historical distortions since the 1800s. The Romans were repulsed by even the more "masculine" forms of it in Greece, and were much more restrained and stoic in their general demeanor. What debauched emperors like Caligula did in their palaces was an entirely different animal than what the commoners were into.

    All that aside... Here's an interesting and relevant bit from Orwell's 1984:




    If the radicals continue in this direction, "face crime" will be the next thing. Leftists are already blowing up all over twitter because the white boy didn't cower in fear when the Indian came up and beat his drum in his face. Just the act of him standing there and smiling back is apparently now an act of white supremacy and hate crime.

    Face crime!

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Outrage as Students in MAGA hats mocking & harassing Native American at indigenous peoples' march
    Truly disgusting behavior on the part of these students.
    This certainly does Trump and "The Wall" no credit.
    But it's hardly surprising considering his policies and actions against Native Americans and the people of Standing Rock in particular.
    Evidently this is the result of the example he is setting for the youth of this country...
    Sure, "Trump's not perfect, no one is", etc. etc....but it's no exaggeration to say that this shocking, disrespectful behavior leaves a lot of room for improvement.

    You can't necessarily believe every little snippet you see on the internet. These are comments about from people that say the 2 hour "complete" video.
    Quote I watched the video just a lil while ago. The kid did just literally stand there and do nothing. I've heard that he was "mocking" the Native fellow. I've heard that he "attacked" the Native fellow. The only thing I see him doing is standing there practically motionless. If the kid stands there and the Native fellow wades through the crowd to get to the point where the kid is standing is he supposed to be obliged to move aside or something? It just seems like this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

    Julia Blog
    Published on Jan 19, 2019
    The videos posted on Twitter by people yesterday show students allegedly from Covington Catholic High School in Kentucky mocking an elderly Native American protester, while he is playing a drum and singing songs.

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    You can't necessarily believe every little snippet you see on the internet. These are comments about from people that say the 2 hour "complete" video.
    Quote I watched the video just a lil while ago. The kid did just literally stand there and do nothing. I've heard that he was "mocking" the Native fellow. I've heard that he "attacked" the Native fellow. The only thing I see him doing is standing there practically motionless. If the kid stands there and the Native fellow wades through the crowd to get to the point where the kid is standing is he supposed to be obliged to move aside or something? It just seems like this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.




    I watched the video just a lil while ago. The kid did just literally stand there and do nothing. I've heard that he was "mocking" the Native fellow. I've heard that he "attacked" the Native fellow. The only thing I see him doing is standing there practically motionless. If the kid stands there and the Native fellow wades through the crowd to get to the point where the kid is standing is he supposed to be obliged to move aside or something? It just seems like this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.


    There was no #MAGA mob hounding a Native American
    Mult Native Americans instigated an incident walking into a peaceful group of kids & taunting one chanting & drumming inches fm his face

    No one said "Build the Wall"
    & if anything
    That kid deserves a peace medal

    Phillips, an elder of Nebraska's Omaha tribe confirmed he had walked up and there was no exchange in the manner CNN had said. CNN and Buzzfeed have a history of printing first and verifying later.
    So much of this divisive stuff is just videos taken out of context so someone can validate their take on reality and/or have a video go "viral". Ask yourself how you felt when you saw the diminished version of this video? Righteous indignation? Did you immediately associate his supposed behavior with the hat he was wearing? Why not attribute his supposed behavior to the Catholic school he was attending?... Lot's of good possibilities for self introspection on this one. Don't think I am excluding myself from this, I'm sure I have done the same thing a billion times.

    One more thing, if the kid had a bit of a smile on his face, he is after all a teen ager in front of his friends. If someone is approaching him directly he still has to save face, if that is still allowed. And I didn't write this to promote Trump.
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    The whole story , or as much as we are likely to see, has been pieced together here along with more videos https://newsmaven.io/indiancountryto...0muOgi6Foug-w/
    (as it turns out, the boys were not so innocent after all)

    The whole story: Before and after video of Nathan Phillips, #MAGAyouth and more




    by Vincent Schilling

    "Controversy is brewing over the incident, but videos provided to Indian Country Today by Kaya Taitano show a clear story

    As social media has exploded over the weekend regarding the video-captured incident of Catholic High School students mocking Native American elder and Vietnam-era veteran Nathan Phillips, four videos provide to Indian Country Today by Kaya Taitano show a clear story of what happened prior, during and after the incident that has now been shared worldwide.


    Vincent Schilling

    @VinceSchilling
    VIDEO: Outrage as non-Native youth wearing #MAGA hats taunt and disrespect Native elder

    The Native man is Nathan Phillips, an Omaha keeper of a sacred pipe and a Vietnam Veteran. https://newsmaven.io/indiancountryto...kK2uvT0L-JOig/

    Story by @VinceSchilling
    Jan 19, 2019

    Nathan Phillips told Indian Country Today in an interview on Saturday that he had gone into the situation, then realized he might be in a precarious position once he stepped in between the crowds of people.

    See related: An interview with Nathan Phillips on the #MAGAYouth incident
    https://newsmaven.io/indiancountryto...Ua2-k2Fx14MvQ/

    Video 1 of 4 - Indigenous Peoples March #MAGAyouth, Nathan Phillips and others

    On Sunday, several media outlets reported that the mother of the Covington Catholic High School student who stood face to face with Nathan Phillips had blamed the incident on “Black Muslims” who were standing at the base of the Lincoln Memorial while the students were standing on the stairs. Others on social media stated the men identified themselves as “Black Israelites.”

    For a brief moment at the beginning of the video, a priest is seen watching from behind the boys.



    In an email to a Heavy.com reporter and article, the mother wrote in an email, “Shame on you! Were you there? Did you hear the names the people where calling these boys? It was shameful. Did you witness the black Muslims yelling profanities and video taping trying to get something to futher (sic) your narrative of hatred?? Did you know that this “man” came up to this one boy and drummed in his face? Shame on you. Only reporting what you want. More fake news.”

    In the video, the interactions can be seen and heard. The men, since identified as “Black Israelites” say things like “We have angels around us,” and “This is what Makes America Great Again,” while pointing at the crowd of high school students.



    The high school students continue to yell and scream and one boy removes his shirt as the excitement of the boys grows.



    Nathan Phillips enters in between the crowd and the Black Israelites singing a prayer song, known as the AIM song.

    Phillips told Indian Country Today he admitted that he didn't really realize what he had gotten into until he was in the middle of it.

    He said, “What am I doing?” You know? But this is the commitment when I picked up the pipe 27 years ago. It's for the next generation. It’s when that moment comes and you got to stand your ground. That commitment that you made to either fulfill that or you don't. I mean, I was scared and I didn't want to. I really, I really didn't want to, but nobody else was.”


    Source: Watch on Vimeo

    Video by Kaya Taitano provided to Indian Country Today.

    Update: Further video footage found.

    Video footage posted on the patheos blog site titled "LETTERS FROM THE EDGE OF ELFLAND" shows the four men yelling expletives to Indigenous people at the march telling them that "God took away their land" for worshiping animals and that the word "Indian means savage." They also insult Native elders, women and men.

    The men who are described as "Black Israelites, call the high school students 'dirty ass crackers' - One of the men also asks when is the last time a non-white person shoots up a school.

    The author of the site post, David Russell Mosely describes egregious behavior by the men in the video.

    "The video begins with a group of men shouting a variety of racial slurs mixed with Bible passages announcing that God has judged America and that now is a time for hate. Roman Catholics are called out for being pedophiles and faggots. Native Americans are called out for worshipping eagles, phoenixes, buffalo, and the wind. Blacks, hispanics, and Native Americans are all told that they are not black, hispanic, or Natives, rather they are the “Children of Israel.” This term does not apply to the people currently living in Israel, those who call themselves Jews, or white people.

    Soon these men begin calling the students “dusty crackers” and products of incest. Cue Nathan Philips and his group.

    Philips can be seen from this new angle clearly walking between the two groups. What he knew or what he thought about the situation I don’t know."

    Watch the lengthy video here

    Video 2 of 4 - Indigenous Peoples March incident Nathan Phillips and #MAGAyouth

    In the second video, already seen in parts or the whole by the world, and as described in the video, “Nathan Phillips continues to sing and pray, and this is when the high school student steps in front of Phillips and doesn't move.”


    Source: Watch on Vimeo

    Video by Kaya Taitano provided to Indian Country Today.

    Video 3 of 4 - Nathan Phillips and #MAGAyouth, a chaperone and more…

    Nathan Phillips continues to sing and is joined by Quese IMC. Students continue to mock and sing along.


    Source: Watch on Vimeo



    Video 4 of 4 - Indigenous Peoples Day incident - Nathan Phillips says "Relatives"

    Nathan Phillips calls everyone relatives even after the mockery. Shortly after this video, he shares his thoughts on a previously shared video.


    Source: Watch on Vimeo

    Video by Kaya Taitano provided to Indian Country Today.

    As previously reported, Nathan Phillips spoke after the incident, he said “these are indigenous lands, we never had walls,” in response to the “Build a Wall, Build a Wall” chants.



    Jourdan Bennett-Begaye contributed to this report.
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    Quote Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)
    There are always more sides to a story.
    Unfortunately it’s the propaganda most people fall for, before checking the facts.

    These are young school age boys. They are in front of their peers. I can remember when I felt the need to look cool in front of my peers. I don't think this is racism, or entitlement. I think it is goofy awkward teenagers trying to be funny to their peers. What if this had been a group of Native American kids behaving like this in front of a group of Trump supporters, I'm sure not a word would be said...

    Can anyone point out this specific kid in the picture doing something that is racist, or entitled?

    I am beginning to really see the madness of social media and this whole group think, based on what?? And supposed mature adults are basically terrorizing these kids to satisfy their social media addiction and their need to virtue signal? At least they were making a stand for something they believe in. Most people can't quit looking at their frigging phones long enough to do much more than whine about someone else's behaviour and how it doesn't meet their most excellent standards. Good Lord!!!!
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    The boys were basically just acting somewhat idiotically as crowds of boys tend to do.
    It wouldn't have been such a scene if they had been more supervised.
    It was the group of black men who were being hateful, but the boys' reactions tended to lend fuel to the fire.
    Their response to the Native Americans wasn't really appropriate, but it probably wasn't overtly hostile either, more uncomprehending than anything.
    But in view of the volatile situation, it certainly could have all turned out much worse!
    The media seems to be trying to fan the flames now for some reason. possibly part of the "blame Trump" game.
    It was what I thought at first because of that, until further research.
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    MUST READ: Covington Catholic Student Begs Local TV News to Tell the Truth About Native American Incident In DC


    A student at Covington Catholic High School sent a letter Saturday to a local TV station that serves that part of Kentucky, Cincinnati-based WKRC-TV, begging the station to report the truth of an incident Friday in Washington, D.C., involving a Native American man and students from Covington Catholic.


    The incident took place at the Lincoln Memorial as the students waited for buses to pick them up after participating in the annual March for Life that day. News reports claimed the students harassed a Native American man named Nathan Phillips–a Vietnam veteran–who was trying to perform a religious ceremony. The students and the school have been viciously attacked online with many threats being made to attack the school children.

    As happens too often these days, the media got it wrong. Numerous videos show the students being approached by Phillips and a group of fellow Native American activists who were at the Lincoln Memorial for an Indigenous Peoples Rally that had ended earlier. Videos also show the students being harassed by a group of African-Americans who hurled racist and anti-gay insults at the students.

    READ The student’s letter in two parts:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ncident-in-dc/

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    This video shows the beginning of the confrontation by Phillips where he tests several students before selecting one boy wearing a MAGA hat to target for abuse. Phillips is moving freely about and steps up to the student as he bangs his drum in the boy’s face and loudly chants at him in a language the boy does not understand. Phillips does not attempt to speak to the boy. Phillips doesn’t ask him to move nor does he explain what he is doing.

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    I think the letter was probably written by an adult rather than a boy, but more reporting following which underscores the part of the Black Israelites' in making the scene so volatile. The lamestream media blew everything else out of proportion, and missed some important points.


    From: https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/wha...-is-fake-news/
    "The Mainstream Media is now backpedaling away from the senseless personal destruction that they unleashed upon a group of Catholic high school boys last Saturday, after their false reporting in the NY Times, Time.com and the cable news triggered dozens of death threats, a hail of condemnation from Hollywood celebrities and the threat of expulsion from their school. The Truth Factory has put together this report about the making of this bogus narrative.
    The MAGA hat-wearing students from Covington High School in Kentucky had just attended an anti-abortion march and were waiting for their bus ride home in front of the Lincoln Memorial when they were verbally assaulted by members of an extremist fringe of the Black Hebrew Israelites group, who screamed racist epithets like “Crackers” and “Incest children” at them. With the permission of their monitors, the boys responded with school spirit chants.
    About an hour into this, Nathan Phillips, a Vietnam Vet from Michigan who’d been attending a separate Native American rally stepped into the mêlée and began banging his drum in the face of high schooler Nick Sandmann. Phillips said, “Something caused me to put myself between [them] – it was black and white. What I saw was my country being torn apart. I couldn’t stand by and let that happen.”
    Sandmann was confounded but remained calm and smiled at Phillips. He says, “I was worried that a situation was getting out of control where adults were attempting to provoke teenagers. I believed that by remaining motionless and calm, I was helping diffuse [sic] the situation.”
    The Mainstream Media however construed Sandmann’s posture as “taunting”, due to Nathan Phillips’ tear-stained, on-camera complaint filmed later, in which he claimed the boys exhibited a “mob mentality” and were chanting “Build that wall,” which the boys deny and of which there is no evidence in hours of cellphone video captured at the scene.
    What’s amazing to me is how, missing from all of these reports is any discussion whatsoever about the real racists who set off this frenzy in the first place, namely the Black supremacist element of the Black Hebrew Israelites movement, whose radicalized members can be seen in large cities of the US any day of the week screaming at passersby in high-visibility places, like Manhattan’s Times Square and the National Mall in DC. According to the SPLC, the BHI “believe that Jews are devilish impostors and…whites [are] evil personified.”
    I walked past this group every day for many years in the 1980s and 1990s. They’re so extreme, their antics could almost be mistaken for self parody, if their hatred weren’t so palpable and vehement. City people know enough to ignore them and to not fuel their rage. The Covington boys’ chaperones should have moved them away.
    In my opinion, the Black Hebrew Israelites movement needs to do some soul-searching, for allowing this hateful element to fester among their ranks for decades.
    As for the professional journalists who used their platforms to lie about high school kids, doxx them and try to ruin their lives, they deserve to be censured, if not fired in some cases.
    For his part, Sandmann thanked Phillips for his service and said he is “grateful to anyone who puts on the uniform to defend our nation. I harbor no ill will for [Phillips]. I respect this person’s right to engage in free speech activities, and I support his chanting on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial any day of the week. I believe he should re-think his tactics of invading the personal space of others, but that is his choice to make.” "
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    It was the group of black men who were being hateful, but the boys' reactions tended to lend fuel to the fire.
    Yes, standing calmly and smiling back is adding fuel to the fire.

    Remember, these are the same people who acted like they were outraged about children being separated from arrested illegal aliens (except when Obama did it):







    Quote CNN Employee Bakari Sellers Openly Fantasizes About Punching 15-Year-Old Covington High School Student in the Face

    CNN employee and former state representative Bakari Sellers publicly tweeted his fantasy about punching a 15-year-old Covington Catholic High School student in the face.

    The 34-year-old man quote-tweeted another tweet with the now-debunked claims about what happened and said that “he is a deplorable. Some ppl can also be punched in the face.”

    The tweet he quoted contained the debunked claim, “this MAGA loser gleefully bothering a Native American protester at the Indigenous People’s March.” We now know that the men had waded into the group of teenagers to harass them in “solidarity” with a group of Black Israelites who were shouting racist slurs at them and calling them “future school shooters.”
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...t-in-the-face/






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    If somebody put their smiling mug within 18 inches of my face for more than a minute, I'd smash them in the mouth. This is as intimidating as it gets. Maybe the sorry ass young punk should try it in a bar...hmmmm....?

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    The Indian approached the teenager first, as is seen in the videos above, beating a drum and yelling in his face while the teenager simply smiled back. According to you, the kid should have punched the old man in the face for violating his personal space, right? Seems so, since that's exactly what you just said. Yet the kid had more maturity than you do, obviously.

    Maybe you should get your facts straight before advocating violence against children, like the great bastion of morality that you are?

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    Sorry Voice, Not buying your interpretation. Th elder is trying to defuse the situation and the kid's reaction is meant to humiliate and denigrate. Or did you flunk body language 101?

    The white Catholic kid is young and strong and has lots of back up, it appears. The elder is old, looks frail and is NOT staring the kid down. He is clearly trying to get between the two groups and diffuse the situation. Why else would a little old guy with a drum start banging away at this point; to summon a war party?

    The punk kid is providing a photo op for his buddies with a long prolonged stare down with a smile that says, "you're nothing, old man."

    And btw, there's some intense video editing going on here. Both sides are editing to fit their narratives. It is hard to know exactly what happened.
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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Sorry Voice, Not buying your interpretation. Th elder is trying to defuse the situation and the kid's reaction is meant to humiliate and denigrate. Or did you flunk body language 101?
    You don't have to buy my interpretation. Even the leftist MSM outlets who pushed this story in the first place have backed off and admitted they reported it incorrectly. Those kids had been standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial since 4:30 PM. You can believe what you want, obviously you're going to twist your eyeballs to see hallucinations in order to keep your brain from perceiving reality correctly.


    And let's break this down, too, while we're at it:

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    If somebody put their smiling mug within 18 inches of my face for more than a minute, I'd smash them in the mouth. This is as intimidating as it gets. Maybe the sorry ass young punk should try it in a bar...hmmmm....?
    So you are saying, regardless of age considerations,

    1) If person A puts their face into person B's personal space for an uncomfortably long period of time, then
    2) The "sorry ass young punk" should be "smash[ed]...in the mouth."

    So in order words, you are okay with what happens in this video:


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    redundant statement. See above
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    Sorry Voice, Not buying your interpretation. Th elder is trying to defuse the situation and the kid's reaction is meant to humiliate and denigrate. Or did you flunk body language 101?
    You don't have to buy my interpretation. Even the leftist MSM outlets who pushed this story in the first place have backed off and admitted they reported it incorrectly. Those kids had been standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial since 4:30 PM. You can believe what you want, obviously you're going to twist your eyeballs to see hallucinations in order to keep your brain from perceiving reality correctly.


    And let's break this down, too, while we're at it:

    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    If somebody put their smiling mug within 18 inches of my face for more than a minute, I'd smash them in the mouth. This is as intimidating as it gets. Maybe the sorry ass young punk should try it in a bar...hmmmm....?
    So you are saying, regardless of age considerations,

    1) If person A puts their face into person B's personal space for an uncomfortably long period of time, then
    2) The "sorry ass young punk" should be "smash[ed]...in the mouth."

    So in order words, you are okay with what happens in this video:

    No, Vftm, I am not saying that an older more fragile person should smash a young punk in the mouth if they invade their space in a predatory way. I am must saying that's what l'd do. It happened to me in a nightclub once. A great big lummox wouldn't let me get past him to use the washroom and was leering at me aggressively. I tossed my drink in his face. Felt good.

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    A great big lummox wouldn't let me get past him to use the washroom and was leering at me aggressively. I tossed my drink in his face. Felt good.
    I bet that guy in the video above felt pretty satisfied too. As long as you feel good, that's all that matters in life.

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    I was 112 lbs and the guy was over 6 feet and built like a half back. We were around the same age, most likely though. So yeah, it felt good. Many years ago now but sometimes what feels good IS good. As far as above video goes, didn't watch it because I don't like watching violence unless it is necessary. I will take your word for it. Looks like some fat white guy punched a little girl. If you want commentary on that I can provide it. Here it is..." I think it's wrong for fat white guys to punch little girls."

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