Sleeping/ a real problem

[Kryztian]

This is super gentle and has zero side effects and sometimes works miracles:

http://www.hylands.com/products/hyla...rt%C3%A9%C2%AE


Also, I have to say that I never sleep better and deeper than during a good water fast.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Doug.

I have problems sleeping only when I am on a schedule. Especially Sunday nights. I do not sleep at all. I feel like a zombie at work on Mondays. This week I called in sick.

For me, because I used to work my own business and could make my own hours, I find that my sleep rhythm is not set to a 24 hour clock. It is more like 26. If left to myself to sleep when I feel like sleeping I keep going to bed later and later to about 6 am. Then I reset at around 2 am again. Trying to get to sleep before 11 pm is next to impossible.

Now that I must sleep to a schedule I simply cannot get my rest. Last year I estimate I lost almost a full month (over 3 weeks) of sleep. I need exactly 8 hours but I average 5 to 6, if I am lucky - a loss of 2 hours per night or an entire night's sleep every week. An entire day of sleep every three weeks. To me that is serious.

I am convinced that the cause of most illness and disease is due to lack of sleep. And it is the source of much mental illness as well. Mental fatigue can readily slip into various mental disorders to compensate for the stress.

I have no remedy. I utterly distrust our pharmaceutical industry so have never so much as slowed to peruse sleep medications on the shelves. Dope keeps me awake so that's no good. Meditation works while I meditate but has no effect on my ability to go to sleep. I use body meditation to summon energy and vitality on the morning commute and to alleviate small aches and pains. By the time I get to work I feel strong enough to function - except for the sugar crash an hour later. After that I am on my own to get through the day as best I can.

It's a bummer.

[thepainterdoug]

I don't drink alcohol anymore , and if i do maybe a glass of wine. but either way, it makes no difference. I get plenty of exercise, playing with two hockey teams .
I think its all cyclical , but don't know why.

I also suspect my building. my wifi aside, there are 50 wifi, coming into my space

[Bubu]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Hi Doug.

I have problems sleeping only when I am on a schedule. Especially Sunday nights. I do not sleep at all. I feel like a zombie at work on Mondays. This week I called in sick.

For me, because I used to work my own business and could make my own hours, I find that my sleep rhythm is not set to a 24 hour clock. It is more like 26. If left to myself to sleep when I feel like sleeping I keep going to bed later and later to about 6 am. Then I reset at around 2 am again. Trying to get to sleep before 11 pm is next to impossible.

Now that I must sleep to a schedule I simply cannot get my rest. Last year I estimate I lost almost a full month (over 3 weeks) of sleep. I need exactly 8 hours but I average 5 to 6, if I am lucky - a loss of 2 hours per night or an entire night's sleep every week. An entire day of sleep every three weeks. To me that is serious.

I am convinced that the cause of most illness and disease is due to lack of sleep. And it is the source of much mental illness as well. Mental fatigue can readily slip into various mental disorders to compensate for the stress.

I have no remedy. I utterly distrust our pharmaceutical industry so have never so much as slowed to peruse sleep medications on the shelves. Dope keeps me awake so that's no good. Meditation works while I meditate but has no effect on my ability to go to sleep. I use body meditation to summon energy and vitality on the morning commute and to alleviate small aches and pains. By the time I get to work I feel strong enough to function - except for the sugar crash an hour later. After that I am on my own to get through the day as best I can.

It's a bummer.

a very effective way of combating tiredness at work is no eating and lots of water. I can work 6 am to 8 pm on the construction site, hard jobs, without snack or meal breaks. But i do take breaks because co workers take a nap after lunch or sleeping time already in the afternoon and dont want to disturb them. Cross country truck drivers dont eat for weeks until they are back home. One former avalonian claimed to have drive 3 weeks without food.

Nonono to dope try the indica instead. pills? scares me, anything that comes from pharma.

[Olam]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
THANKS ALL SO FAR. I'm obviously not alone in this. And will take note of all advice and recommendations

Two questions ...

1) Do you drink (alcohol)? Or have you recently quit / cut down?
2) Are you actually tired and being affected by tiredness, or, are you just concerned about not sleeping but don't have any major effects?

You said that you dream - dreaming (REM) usually has a short stint while you are falling asleep, and then starts to re-cur after you've gone through deep sleep. So this may indicate that you are actually going through a full sleep cycle, albeit in a generally shorter than usual amount of time.

If I cut both Alcohol and Marijuana completely out of my life, (takes a few weeks of being "sober"), I can get by easily on 4 hours of sleep, which is disconcerting, but I don't actually need more ... A few thoughts there, the questions are somewhat rhetorical in relationship to what I just shared - might be something else to consider.

Same here, alcohol gets me asleep fast but then I wake up two hours later and can't sleep.
Weed helps me sleep but I don't like the groggy side effects.
I also only need 4 hours on average, at 51, I don't know how I can do that but its been that way for a long time.
Tried CBD oil lately and it does the job, with no side effects that I can tell of.
I also sleep with my head to the south which works for me.

[Bubu]

Posted by Olam (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
THANKS ALL SO FAR. I'm obviously not alone in this. And will take note of all advice and recommendations

Two questions ...

1) Do you drink (alcohol)? Or have you recently quit / cut down?
2) Are you actually tired and being affected by tiredness, or, are you just concerned about not sleeping but don't have any major effects?

You said that you dream - dreaming (REM) usually has a short stint while you are falling asleep, and then starts to re-cur after you've gone through deep sleep. So this may indicate that you are actually going through a full sleep cycle, albeit in a generally shorter than usual amount of time.

If I cut both Alcohol and Marijuana completely out of my life, (takes a few weeks of being "sober"), I can get by easily on 4 hours of sleep, which is disconcerting, but I don't actually need more ... A few thoughts there, the questions are somewhat rhetorical in relationship to what I just shared - might be something else to consider.

Same here, alcohol gets me asleep fast but then I wake up two hours later and can't sleep.
Weed helps me sleep but I don't like the groggy side effects.
I also only need 4 hours on average, at 51, I don't know how I can do that but its been that way for a long time.
Tried CBD oil lately and it does the job, with no side effects that I can tell of.
I also sleep with my head to the south which works for me.

I guess most of us are just captive of the "8 hour a day sleep" mantra. Sleeps are required for certain reasons like repair of body tissues and growth. Is it hard to believe that some people repair faster than others. Ever heard of the man who never sleeps?

I normally watch energy levels. What gives me energy. regardless of sleeps. sometime I woke up after an 8 hours sleep and feel tired thats normally after I over ate the previous day or two parties parties holidays junk foods.

Unless its making me tired I dont care not sleeping.

[chancy]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
What do you do when simple "rest" can't even be attained ?

I can lay there, tired and I'm just in a zombie state, not awake , yet not asleep.

The simple joy of a restful nights sleep seems long gone in my world. Not on any pills, drugs, pharma or otherwise, one cup maybe two of coffee, usually only in morning.None of this stuff, the what are you doing ? drinking or eating ?etc, ever made a difference 20 years ago. I slept like a log

Its not any of these things, its something else. I hear this from many people as well. They can't sleep.

I go to bed, shut things off and in an hour, I'm awake for another 2, sometimes 3 hours, then fall asleep at 4 am and get 2 hours where i know I'm asleep cause I dream. if i get 4 hours total is huge

Its like some kind of energy is running thru me, perhaps wireless and 5 g?? something foreign, can't explain but not good

Hello thepainterdoug:
I have been there. I could sleep in less than 2 minutes BUT for a year couldn't sleep only 1-2 hours per night if that.

If you have checked your blood pressure and it's good then there are a couple of things you can try that will help much more than people would think.

1. eat a healthy diet
2. get a foot massager that is pretty aggressive. I use mine for 10 minutes before I go to bed and won't wake up until the alarm goes off in the morning.
3. check to see if you snore or have sleep apnea. I never knew I snored until I got married...Yes I know no one told me..haha
I bought a unit and it worked so well I bought a few more as spares. It's called Snoreeze and it's extremely easy to use and cheap. I wish I owned the company BUT am a very satisfied user. Here"s the link:
https://www.amazon.com/Snoreeze-Snor.../dp/B00CSRLTHQ

IF none of those help I would say take some melatonin. I have used those in the past but wanted to be less pill oriented.
I was taking 10 - 10mg pills a night and got great sleep.

Good luck! Sleep is almost more important than being awake...

chancy

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Olam (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
THANKS ALL SO FAR. I'm obviously not alone in this. And will take note of all advice and recommendations

Two questions ...

1) Do you drink (alcohol)? Or have you recently quit / cut down?
2) Are you actually tired and being affected by tiredness, or, are you just concerned about not sleeping but don't have any major effects?

You said that you dream - dreaming (REM) usually has a short stint while you are falling asleep, and then starts to re-cur after you've gone through deep sleep. So this may indicate that you are actually going through a full sleep cycle, albeit in a generally shorter than usual amount of time.

If I cut both Alcohol and Marijuana completely out of my life, (takes a few weeks of being "sober"), I can get by easily on 4 hours of sleep, which is disconcerting, but I don't actually need more ... A few thoughts there, the questions are somewhat rhetorical in relationship to what I just shared - might be something else to consider.

Same here, alcohol gets me asleep fast but then I wake up two hours later and can't sleep.
Weed helps me sleep but I don't like the groggy side effects.
I also only need 4 hours on average, at 51, I don't know how I can do that but its been that way for a long time.
Tried CBD oil lately and it does the job, with no side effects that I can tell of.
I also sleep with my head to the south which works for me.

Yes, good add on the head direction - I also am quite affected by which direction my head points - in both my dreams and dreaming ability and in sleep quality.

[Constance]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Yes, good add on the head direction - I also am quite affected by which direction my head points - in both my dreams and dreaming ability and in sleep quality.

Same! Although my head direction is East.

I always keep pen and paper next to my bed and scribble in the dark for dream recall.

I've also observed that downloading inspirations during the night is more regular in this direction than if I face any other direction.

[conk]

Some in my family suffer the same difficulty. We found this recipe from Dr. Frank Shallenberger:

Amino Acid 5-HTP - 100 mg at bedtime
CBD - 10 - 25 mg at bedtime (fullspectrumhemp.com or cwhemp.com)
Melatonin - 60 mg at bedtime
Methyl Folate - 10 mg
Cannabis indica 4:1 (CBD:THC) 10 mg at bedtime (in states with medical marijuana use)

This worked for all of us. And we didn't use the THC, just the CBD oil. Good luck.

[wondering]

Has anyone tried falling to sleep listening to music? I have a CD of “angelic voices”, but it could just as easily be anything gentle. I have listened to it so long that it is definitely part of my falling to sleep ritual. When i get up during the night, which I do 3 or 4 times, I just start it again when I go back to bed and usually fall back to sleep. I would love to sleep 7 or 8 hours straight, but I think those days are gone. Now I get several hours of interrupted sleep, but sleep nonetheless.

[Olam]

Posted by conk (here)
Some in my family suffer the same difficulty. We found this recipe from Dr. Frank Shallenberger:

Amino Acid 5-HTP - 100 mg at bedtime
CBD - 10 - 25 mg at bedtime (fullspectrumhemp.com or cwhemp.com)
Melatonin - 60 mg at bedtime
Methyl Folate - 10 mg
Cannabis indica 4:1 (CBD:THC) 10 mg at bedtime (in states with medical marijuana use)

This worked for all of us. And we didn't use the THC, just the CBD oil. Good luck.

Thats quite the cocktail there !
Feel groggy the next morning?

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Posted by Constance (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Yes, good add on the head direction - I also am quite affected by which direction my head points - in both my dreams and dreaming ability and in sleep quality.

Same! Although my head direction is East.

I always keep pen and paper next to my bed and scribble in the dark for dream recall.

I've also observed that downloading inspirations during the night is more regular in this direction than if I face any other direction.

Yes I tried East extensively , South seems to work best for me.
I ask for important messages in my dreams, like having passed relatives and spirit guides show up, South seems to work best for that.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I also prefer head facing south...

[we-R-one]

Has anyone considered glucose levels being the cause behind troubled sleep? My naturopathic doctor brought this to my attention and how it can drastically affect your sleep. I'm not sure one has to necessarily be a diabetic either to have the issues as I'm not. The western diet is so poor I can see after several years of subjecting your cells to processed foods that the condition would become inevitable. This little blurb below kind of explains it:

"Sleep can affect your blood sugar levels, and your blood glucose control can also affect your sleep. It's a vicious cycle. As the amount of sleep decreases, blood sugar increases, escalating the issue. Lack of sleep has been shown to increase blood sugar levels and the risk of diabetic issues."

Source: https://www.alaskasleep.com/blog/blo...sleep-problems

I don't have time to type up in more detail, just wanted to point you in a possible direction. I have a feeling this problem is more prevalent than people realize since practically everything in our diet is loaded with carbohydrates. If you haven't already, start reading labels of everything you put in your mouth, it's out of control.

[spade]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I don't drink alcohol anymore , and if i do maybe a glass of wine. but either way, it makes no difference. I get plenty of exercise, playing with two hockey teams .
I think its all cyclical , but don't know why.

I also suspect my building. my wifi aside, there are 50 wifi, coming into my space

Would you be keen to try a holiday secluded away from all the WIFI and EMF interference? Camping / Yurts / Thailand (Pai), nature? You can really put this theory to the test. I used to suffer a lot, living in a 25 storey apartment surrounded by WIFI neighbours. Another thing that helped was taking pure gum spirits of turpentine an hour before I slept for twice a week, and it basically kickstarted / resetted my sleep after that. Didn't have to take the turpentine again after.

[thepainterdoug]

KRYZTIAN/ ahhhh the water fast, I'm creeping up on it. trying a full day out so far. it let me know i can do it, and i can already feel that you can get on a roll, a high and not want to eat. but then folding the tent, playing hockey and started eating some. lol not much

but will get there!! thanks



spade // and interesting regarding the turpentine

[thepainterdoug]

Thanks all/ all these remedies, solutions, seem to be of a new world. did people need do this , did our parents struggle to sleep and need to do these things in the early days? the pre computer days?

[Mike]

Ernie and Duk, any idea why head direction is important?

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by Mike (here)
Ernie and Duk, any idea why head direction is important?

Our internal compus, magnetic's.
We live in energy fields, we are energy fields, so I guess we can feel better if aligned with what we need.

[snoman]

Until the 17th century it was quite a common practice to sleep in two sittings.. four hours at dusk followed by a couple of hours awake doing things,
then another four hour sleep. Roger Ekrich in ' At Day’s Close' researched diaries, court records, anthropology, and literature to discover this.
During the waking period people would read, pray, have sex, and even visit neighbours. A 16th-century doctor’s manual actually recommended that this
was the best time of the day to conceive.

Smile.