No More Personal Exemption On U.S. Income Tax

[frankstien]

Posted by Praxis (here)

Posted by AriG (here)

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
Tell China that "coal is dead."

The idea that all rich people just want to oppress the poor, and have nothing to offer society as a whole, pretty well sums up Karl Marx. What do you think pursuing a "classless society" would do to the middle class?

I have old family members that grew up during the depression, marinated in the mentality that all rich people are evil, who have been voting for Democrats their entire life as a result. Meanwhile they sit around watching MSM pundits (rich people) all day, on a television set (manufactured thanks to rich industrialists), on their padded rocking chairs (similarly manufactured by companies owned by evil rich people), calling each other and griping all day on telephones (manufactured and operated by evil rich people). I know the mentality all too well, and think it is a very sad mentality to live in, aside from being totally disconnected from greater reality.

You have absolutely no grasp on what is going on in the geopolitical economic spectrum and are citing examples that are completely irrelevant to today’s complex and controlled reality. You are way in over your head and living in a Cold War brain washed reality. Do some real research, read and understand what the wise souls on this forum have to share and open your
Closed mind. You are so I’ll suited to this forum I am surprised that you are still a member. Duck and cover is over, DDT is NOT good for you and socialism is not the enemy. It’s far more dark and much deeper than what you can grasp.

I find it best to not engage him and the many people like him on this forum. He has an idea of the way the world is, and nothing you can say will make him reevaluate that.

You can make wax eloquent and have excellent supporting information but it wont matter.
Trump is GEOTUS and can do no wrong and if it appears wrong then it is just deep state fake news or a 13d chess move us mere mortals dont comprehend.

He, like a parrot, has learned certain words and uses them but I am not sure he understands them fully. Socialism is one of those words.

You're right. I'm not going waste any more time on him. Thanks for the good advice.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Praxis (here)
I find it best to not engage him and the many people like him on this forum. He has an idea of the way the world is, and nothing you can say will make him reevaluate that.

Psychological projection is a real thing.

If anyone had actual evidence that high taxes and socialism actually lead to prosperity, I'd be perfectly happy to hear their argument and consider it seriously.

Could you honestly say the same about yourself and economic liberalism, ie the free market?

You can make wax eloquent and have excellent supporting information but it wont matter.

Waxing eloquent doesn't amount to much, but excellent supporting information would help.

He, like a parrot, has learned certain words and uses them but I am not sure he understands them fully. Socialism is one of those words.

In my experience, the actual problem is that people who think socialism is a good idea actually don't understand the mechanics of how free markets function, without having to be controlled from the top-down. Many people also seem to have some kind of complex where they feel that the government needs to take the role of their parents to take care of them in adulthood.

We already have laws on the books against monopolies. Competition drives innovation. The law of supply and demand make sure people have access to the goods and services they need. Socialist experiments have demonstrated again and again that they can't compete with competition and the law of supply and demand.

Like I said, projection is a real thing. And if hurt feelings amounted to an actual argument, I'd have already changed my mind.

[TomKat]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
I thought it was the Democrats saying that Russia is the boogeyman now?

When will the Democrats forgive the Russians for ditching communism?

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
I thought it was the Democrats saying that Russia is the boogeyman now?

When will the Democrats forgive the Russians for ditching communism?

No time soon if American universities have anything to do with it:

Karl Marx is the most assigned economist in U.S. college classes

’Communist Manifesto’ appears in more than 3,000 college course syllabi, researchers find

More than 25 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the onset of market-economy practices in China, “The Communist Manifesto” still ranks among the three most frequently assigned texts at American universities.

That’s according to data from Open Syllabus Project, which tracks books and other works assigned to students in more than 1 million syllabi.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/co...ege-2016-01-27

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by frankstien (here)

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
Re: Thanks man. Yep, you got it.
I'm an American in Canada and I still have to pay taxes to the U.S. every year.

Actually, it gets worse for some people. Far worse. Several years ago (under Bush II?) the IRS announced that it was launching a program to seek out anyone born in the U.S. who was now living abroad and force them to pay any and all back taxes. Sounds fair enough, right? Well, the plan was not limited in its timeline, and so included people who had been living in other countries for essentially their entire lives. There are thousands of people living in Canada who were brought to this country as children (babies, even) and who are still on the hook for back taxes. Some of these folks are now nearing retirement. Quite a jolt to consider suddenly being forced to "pay back" (?) hundreds of thousands of dollars to a foreign country. The Canadian government has failed to protect these citizens, refusing to interfere with the prospect of them having their personal of their personal bank accounts garnisheed by the IRS. Although the panic seems to have died down, these folks still live with the possibility of suddenly finding themselves penniless. Or worse.

Brian

Yes, it is total insanity. It's just a tax/plunder operation. The really damning thing is the Federal Income Tax was never ratified by any of 48 contiguous states: a man named Bill Benson collected all the certified documents (states voting records) to prove this.
G. Edward Griffin's book "The Creature From Jekyll Island" goes into depth on the formation of the Federal Reserve by some of the most powerful men on the planet back in 1913. The Federal Reserve Act is really a private banking cartel agreement enforced by the U.S. Government. These same men created the Federal Income Tax as a way to preserve class structure: keep the poor poor and the rich rich, by the use of tax free foundations.

https://archive.org/details/TheCreat...riffin/page/n3

G.Edward Griffin interview
https://youtu.be/Dba9OY0QatU

We (?) okay, the rulers of Canada, waited only four years after Jekyll Island's octopus was created to institute personal income tax here. They even had the gall to insist that it was a "temporary" measure, but then failed to put a time limit on it:

from the website of the Canada Revenue Agency

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-age...ory-taxes.html

Taxes in Canada
Before Confederation

The colonial governments collected taxes, usually through customs duties, and sent them to the two mother countries, England and France.
Canada becomes a nation

Following Confederation in 1867, the new government was given the power to raise money by taxation and responsibilities were divided between the federal and provincial governments. The most expensive areas of responsibility such as building railways, roads, bridges, and harbours, became the responsibility of the federal government. The provincial governments assumed responsibility for education, health, and welfare.
Britain declares war on Germany

As a British colony, Canada joined World War I at Britain's side in 1914. The pressures of financing the war resulted in increasing customs and excise taxes, and in 1916, the federal government began collecting corporation tax.
Government needs revenue to finance war

In 1917, as a temporary measure to help finance the war, the federal government introduced the Income Tax War Act, covering both personal and corporate income. "I have placed no time limit upon this measure . . . a year or two after the war is over, the measure should be reviewed," stated Sir Thomas White, Minister of Finance.
War ends, expenses continue

After the war ended in 1918, the government still needed to pay for war-related expenses such as veterans’ pensions and debt interest, and so in 1920, the federal government introduced sales tax.
Income tax is here to stay

By 1948, income tax was no longer considered temporary and the Income War Tax Act was replaced with the Income Tax Act.

Brian

[frankstien]

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)

Posted by frankstien (here)

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
Re: Thanks man. Yep, you got it.
I'm an American in Canada and I still have to pay taxes to the U.S. every year.

Actually, it gets worse for some people. Far worse. Several years ago (under Bush II?) the IRS announced that it was launching a program to seek out anyone born in the U.S. who was now living abroad and force them to pay any and all back taxes. Sounds fair enough, right? Well, the plan was not limited in its timeline, and so included people who had been living in other countries for essentially their entire lives. There are thousands of people living in Canada who were brought to this country as children (babies, even) and who are still on the hook for back taxes. Some of these folks are now nearing retirement. Quite a jolt to consider suddenly being forced to "pay back" (?) hundreds of thousands of dollars to a foreign country. The Canadian government has failed to protect these citizens, refusing to interfere with the prospect of them having their personal of their personal bank accounts garnisheed by the IRS. Although the panic seems to have died down, these folks still live with the possibility of suddenly finding themselves penniless. Or worse.

Brian

Yes, it is total insanity. It's just a tax/plunder operation. The really damning thing is the Federal Income Tax was never ratified by any of 48 contiguous states: a man named Bill Benson collected all the certified documents (states voting records) to prove this.
G. Edward Griffin's book "The Creature From Jekyll Island" goes into depth on the formation of the Federal Reserve by some of the most powerful men on the planet back in 1913. The Federal Reserve Act is really a private banking cartel agreement enforced by the U.S. Government. These same men created the Federal Income Tax as a way to preserve class structure: keep the poor poor and the rich rich, by the use of tax free foundations.

https://archive.org/details/TheCreat...riffin/page/n3

G.Edward Griffin interview
https://youtu.be/Dba9OY0QatU

We (?) okay, the rulers of Canada, waited only four years after Jekyll Island's octopus was created to institute personal income tax here. They even had the gall to insist that it was a "temporary" measure, but then failed to put a time limit on it:

from the website of the Canada Revenue Agency

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-age...ory-taxes.html

Taxes in Canada
Before Confederation

The colonial governments collected taxes, usually through customs duties, and sent them to the two mother countries, England and France.
Canada becomes a nation

Following Confederation in 1867, the new government was given the power to raise money by taxation and responsibilities were divided between the federal and provincial governments. The most expensive areas of responsibility such as building railways, roads, bridges, and harbours, became the responsibility of the federal government. The provincial governments assumed responsibility for education, health, and welfare.
Britain declares war on Germany

As a British colony, Canada joined World War I at Britain's side in 1914. The pressures of financing the war resulted in increasing customs and excise taxes, and in 1916, the federal government began collecting corporation tax.
Government needs revenue to finance war

In 1917, as a temporary measure to help finance the war, the federal government introduced the Income Tax War Act, covering both personal and corporate income. "I have placed no time limit upon this measure . . . a year or two after the war is over, the measure should be reviewed," stated Sir Thomas White, Minister of Finance.
War ends, expenses continue

After the war ended in 1918, the government still needed to pay for war-related expenses such as veterans’ pensions and debt interest, and so in 1920, the federal government introduced sales tax.
Income tax is here to stay

By 1948, income tax was no longer considered temporary and the Income War Tax Act was replaced with the Income Tax Act.

Brian

Yep, Canada too.
If you don't care for rap music-just cue to about 36 sec. mark and start viewing
1974 The Year Canadians gave away their future to the BILDERBERG GROUP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NihNyZuvNU