All Things Vegan!

[Didgevillage]

Does killing animal(s) for food create bad karma?
I say it doesn't.
But it is my belief and I don't expect other believers to concur.

Is slavery bad? It probably is.
Are we better off today?
No. We are debt slaves, thinking we are free. We are sent off to wars to die, when the masters so wish.
Remember Wolfgang von Goethe? (Hope I got his name right)
He said the best slave is the one who thinks he is free.

Does homosexuality create karma? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Gandhi was homosexual, but his political ideas sound alright.

Does life create karma? It does, just like negation of life creates karma as well. It's a catch 22 situation.
Common sense says it is wiser to work toward reduction of karma more so than creation of karma. It's like your bank account. It is wiser to have more deposits than withdrawals.

Everyone should live and die in accordance with whatever he believes in. And I'd prefer not to be a judge.

[RunningDeer]

Congrats to Mic the Vegan on his 300,000 subscribers. He’s gained another 2,300+ since last Friday.


From the comment section, by D Powell:

Hands down best vegan channel on youtube. Always the one I recommend to non-vegans who are interested, due to its sensible and scientific approach.

Reacting to Assumptions About Me | 300K Celebration

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eD5zqZZ0JwQ

Mic the Vegan
Published on Apr 3, 2019

[Agape]

Vegans have healthier biomarker profiles

Very useful article, based on comparative data and medical study.

As a matter of fact the mainstream medical community know about the impact of plant based diets for years, they know about its health benefits, as well as they know of importance of vitamins.
But broadly speaking, they’re “afraid of it”.

Their reasons are about the same “ancient” as their mainstream medical science that is the mainstream dogma developed and practised in “western” version of civilised world where meat was inevitable and regular part of diet and there was no ideological prejudice or religious injunction against killing animals for food.

Thus, most of modern medical profiles including genomics, levels of various metabolic agents in serum, blood test results in general, the speed of our development and ageing are based on normative samples of “meat eaters”.

Detailed studies of vegetarian/vegan eaters do not exist in Western medical files because there is not enough of them and perhaps- not many suffer from severe metabolic malfunctions- with exception of extreme, anorexic dieters who do end up on metabolic units times to times and give vegetarianism bad name.

Quite on the other hand, plant based diets were known and practised in the East for thousands and thousands of years , since also the highest philosophical credo “thou shall not take life” was understood and applied to all higher animals as well.
Even if the ideology is known mostly through Hindu culture these days,
the virtue of “abstaining from killing and stealth of life” was practised equally by Muslim faquires, Buddhist yogis and early contemplative Christians among else and as well.

By that virtue alone and since vegetarianism was known and practised in the Far East for many thousands of years it was known among doctors of Indian Ayurveda while most of their medicines were based in herbal formulae, with gentle non invasive impact and fewer side effects of any, it was known to doctors of Chinese medicine as well.

Combining “meat eaters” constitution and herbal medicines does not always bring desired results for the same reason: metabolism that functions hormonally at least a part like that of animal is stronger than effect of herbs.

And vice versa: for many vegans and vegetarians strong, targeted chemical medication produces tons of unwanted results while destroying the organism together with its disease.
While it’s not true in all cases- our genetic heritage is extremely complicated and intertwined with all the rest of humans- vegetarians even when ill generally require lower doses of medicines and recover faster compared to meat eaters.



It would be great if benefits of purely plant based diets( cut off the fanatic edges such as not being able to taste meat products or catch a fish if you’re up to it) could be verified, certified and brought to public awareness by genuine medical studies.

It would be fantastic if medical community started to be honest with people instead feeding the consumer food market and obsessions with products that can’t be controlled medically and psychologically in any manner but result in more violence and trauma perpetuated through out our “modern societies”.


I can support this by my own lifelong experience- that’s between me and the medical community in general.
Even though I was forced to eat meat as a kid, I’ve opted out as teenager and have been mostly vegetarian since I left to India as 19 year old.

Not only I did not need doctors for most of those years but if I did and even when I fell ill or went for regular, yearly lab screen profile tests, no matter what I complained of, the results were in norm and generally “the healthiest tests they’ve ever seen”.
Bad enough whenever I mentioned I eat vegetarian, they did not want to give me treatments - saying “unless you start eating as we do it won’t work for you”. Ok, bye

Fortunately my medical knowledge and experience are mostly sufficient to take care of myself and others but then again,
my experience is insufficient in treatment of difficult( and typical) meat eaters.


How sad

[Agape]

Posted by Didgevillage (here)
Does killing animal(s) for food create bad karma?
I say it doesn't.
But it is my belief and I don't expect other believers to concur.

Is slavery bad? It probably is.
Are we better off today?
No. We are debt slaves, thinking we are free. We are sent off to wars to die, when the masters so wish.
Remember Wolfgang von Goethe? (Hope I got his name right)
He said the best slave is the one who thinks he is free.

Does homosexuality create karma? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Gandhi was homosexual, but his political ideas sound alright.

Does life create karma? It does, just like negation of life creates karma as well. It's a catch 22 situation.
Common sense says it is wiser to work toward reduction of karma more so than creation of karma. It's like your bank account. It is wiser to have more deposits than withdrawals.

Everyone should live and die in accordance with whatever he believes in. And I'd prefer not to be a judge.

The difference between low and high philosophy seems to be in application.

Teaching principles but acting against those principles certainly creates dissonance.

If there’s dissonance between what you THINK, what you SAY and how you ACT, there will always be misunderstanding in your life and all of our lives, generally speaking.

Mahatma Gandhi, the great teacher of India was vegetarian and preached non-violence but he was not faultless.

Adolf Hitler was vegetarian responsible for death of millions of people so such person does not deserve to be called “vegetarian” in my opinion, someone who acts as predator but eats pure food to preserve themselves are not vegetarian.
Calling Hitler vegetarian would be the same like calling him religious Jew.
Even though some of his ancestors were Jewish he did not practice love of God.

In gist, none of us are faultless or free in this world and having to eat meat does not prevent people from good deeds.

Looking around the human civilisation of today it’s impossible not to notice how many people live like little animals closed in their cots, boxes, concepts, cells and avenues them and their children seldom leave ..

As Kahlil Gibran wrote on Freedom:

http://www.katsandogz.com/onfreedom.html

“And thus your freedom when it loses its fetters itself becomes a fetter of another freedom”.

In my philosophical perspective( but that’s my own) we all have the right to seek ultimate freedom of body, speech and mind.

It’s not for any particular reason I’m in that way, it’s my nature.


Others seek other values more and as you say, I agree, everyone should be entitled to search and experience what are they searching for..

[Didgevillage]

Hitler was vegetarian.
Hitler was not responsible for the deaths of millions. (Can you say "Holohoax"?)

Meat consumption in excess is not healthy.
But human body needs animal protein. (OK, I don't want to hear other arguments and pontification)

Fish consumption doesn't seem to hurt the human body, only if you cook it or heat it.
Never eat raw fish.

Killing oneself with poor diet is not a sign of high intelligence.
But religion does not require high intelligence, just like flat earth.

[Agape]

Posted by Didgevillage (here)
Hitler was vegetarian.
Hitler was not responsible for the deaths of millions. (Can you say "Holohoax"?)

Meat consumption in excess is not healthy.
But human body needs animal protein. (OK, I don't want to hear other arguments and pontification)

Fish consumption doesn't seem to hurt the human body, only if you cook it or heat it.
Never eat raw fish.

Killing oneself with poor diet is not a sign of high intelligence.
But religion does not require high intelligence, just like flat earth.

The very argument that “human body needs animal protein” is used repeatedly and in obsessive manner and if you’ve joined this forum long ago,
you would have noticed how many threads were started and destroyed

on this topic alone.

So ..with some larger awareness here ..you’re absolutely fine and entitled to your opinion but this thread is run by mature person/people
with meaning and awareness
of how obsessed our western cultures are with meat eating and conviction that you need animal protein

and it’s not a good habit of this forum to attack themes and topics in a manner of simple debunking,

It would be more didactic to start your own thread on the topic
of animal proteins and what way are they important to you.

Thx


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[Agape]

Posted by Didgevillage (here)
Hitler was vegetarian.
Hitler was not responsible for the deaths of millions. (Can you say "Holohoax"?)

Meat consumption in excess is not healthy.
But human body needs animal protein. (OK, I don't want to hear other arguments and pontification)

Fish consumption doesn't seem to hurt the human body, only if you cook it or heat it.
Never eat raw fish.

Killing oneself with poor diet is not a sign of high intelligence.
But religion does not require high intelligence, just like flat earth.

The very argument that “human body needs animal protein” is used repeatedly and in obsessive manner and if you’ve joined this forum long ago,
you would have noticed how many threads were started and destroyed

on this topic alone.

So ..with some larger awareness here ..you’re absolutely fine and entitled to your opinion but this thread is run by mature person/people
with meaning and awareness
of how obsessed our western cultures are with meat eating and conviction that you need animal protein

and it’s not a good habit of this forum to attack themes and topics in a manner of simple debunking,

It would be more didactic to start your own thread on the topic
of animal proteins and what way are they important to you.

Poor diets are indeed responsible for deaths of millions of people:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/h...dy/3339934002/


See what is “poor diet” considered to be at large and at the moment is also drastically different from what “poor diet” was considered to be 20 or 50 years ago, dependant on your native culture or whether your country suffered from famine.


Again, this thread is about “Everything Vegan”.

So ..I do not intend to take it off topic either.


Thanks


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[Akasha]

Didge, i just wanted to reiterate my recommendation that you work through this thread and do so as objectively as possible. I appreciate that it may be quite challenging, particularly when we are talking about things as addictive as animal products, but I can detect from your posts that you are a compassionate person who I'm sure is capable of extending such compassion to all sentient beings provided you have sufficient information on the subject.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Didgevillage (here)
Hitler was vegetarian.
Hitler was not responsible for the deaths of millions. (Can you say "Holohoax"?)

Meat consumption in excess is not healthy.
But human body needs animal protein. (OK, I don't want to hear other arguments and pontification)

Fish consumption doesn't seem to hurt the human body, only if you cook it or heat it.
Never eat raw fish.

Killing oneself with poor diet is not a sign of high intelligence.
But religion does not require high intelligence, just like flat earth.

Didgevillage, one suggestion is to create your own thread. This link includes a 4-step explanation with visuals on How to Start a New Thread.

Feel free to PM me if you need assistance.

[Mike]

Hi Didgevillage, your views are certainly welcome here, but please start your own thread. thank you sir.

Akasha's long running thread here is mainly for discussion of the benefits of a vegan lifestyle, and is not intended as a debate thread.

[Didgevillage]

Thank you for your suggestion to start a new thread. Actually, I have nothing more to say about veganism.

Whether humans need animal protein or not, the arguments seem circular, so I have nothing to add.

I just stick to my point that veganism is a religion. May this religion lead to the welfare of all sentient beings (including humans) without imposing fear and guilt on anyone.

[Akasha]

Posted by Mike (here)
Hi Didgevillage, your views are certainly welcome here, but please start your own thread. thank you sir.

Akasha's long running thread here is mainly for discussion of the benefits of a vegan lifestyle, and is not intended as a debate thread.

Hey Mike,

I just wanted to say that actually I do welcome debate on this thread provided it's civil. Much good has come from dialogue on this subject and Didgevillage is welcome to continue making his points if he wants to. My recommendation that he work through the thread first was simply so he can make sure he isn't bringing up a point which has already been addressed as this just becomes boring for those who have followed the thread from the start, not to mention being potentially embarrassing for Didgevillage.

BTW Didgevillage, Have you tried this?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OJsZlhiwaYc

[Agape]

Posted by Didgevillage (here)
Thank you for your suggestion to start a new thread. Actually, I have nothing more to say about veganism.

Whether humans need animal protein or not, the arguments seem circular, so I have nothing to add.

I just stick to my point that veganism is a religion. May this religion lead to the welfare of all sentient beings (including humans) without imposing fear and guilt on anyone.

Thank you 🙏


I don’t think that veganism itself would pass as religion with me. Even though the way we feed ourselves is one important factor of quality of our lives and inevitable part of our customs, cultures and religions globally
I see more fault in today’s worlds vague&vogue lifestyles than whether you eat meat.

Neither I’ve ever tried to talk my friends to eating something else than they do by their own choice, unless it would be for medicinal reasons.

So much of today’s “civilised feed” that’s sold in the supermarkets chain is dead, reprocessed, artificially tasting, sort of tasteless. It’s been stripped of nutritients and vitamins, stored and processed for ages and infused with vitamins at the end of the production line again and sold as “healthy food”.

I’m not saying it’s your “religion” but it’s many people’s habit. Eating fast foods with healthy labels. Food is very habitual for many people.
It’s more habit forming substance than alcohol or drugs, in general.


Also religions aren’t exactly “healthy custom” on this planet and many religions are religions of dying people burying their dead instead they’d represent religion of healthy and happy life.


There are different kinds of entities inhabiting this planet and there’s no “one rule fits all” that would ever work neither we all can share the same tastes and habits.

Some eat for taste, others for substance, some for both, others for neither.

More advanced your brain capacity more options for life you can embrace which does not automatically mean that the lump of this genetically conditioned human body can follow or cope with some extravagant options.
Everyone is unique and finding someone who are somewhat similar to ourselves can be difficult.

[Akasha]

Government subsidized factory mink farms in nova Scotia and their environmental and social impact (furs being sold to China - the irony):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iHTrmnts6FY

[Akasha]

Sea Sheperd has been highlighting the false claims of French fisherman that no dolphins have been killed under their watch this year:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=g1J8E7iuuco

[Akasha]

I have to say that as a closet Game of Thrones fan I was particularly cheered up on discovering that Jerome Flynn is actually a long-time vegan.

Here's a short video he did highlighting the plight of farmed animals in the UK:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wIikfF8nBSY

[Akasha]

Vegan activism has become familiar to many towns and cities across the world over the past few years by way of the Cube of Truth. Basically activists form a square with computer monitors facing out on all four sides in the town or city centre displaying modern animal agriculture methods and then converse with the public on the subject.

Australian Truthwalkers just took it to another level with each activist now being mobile, allowing them to enter shopping centres and supermarkets and present the same videos directly to the consumers while they are actually buying the products.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1PGLLvixkDY

[Akasha]

Posted by Akasha (here)

Posted by AriG (here)

Posted by Akasha (here)
I was going to share the following video on the All Things Vegan thread, but given that animals are magical, I felt maybe it would serve more purpose on this thread. Anyone still subjecting these magical creatures to this level of existance through their lifestyle choices has an obligation, I repeat, an obligation to watch this film. Yes, it is graphic. Yes, it is brutal. No, it is not acceptable. Be the change. Go vegan.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko

I love everything about your post. I love your Avatar! But I cannot watch the video. I need to eat pure protein to survive ( the only animal based protein I have eaten in the last two weeks is pickled Herring). And its not that great! Its a great source of Omega 3, but its kind of nasty. Have to choke it down with Horseradish. And that definitely opens the third eye (or nostril). LOL.

Hi AriG. I don't want to go off topic on this thread so I would ask you to join me in conversation on the dietary subject you raised over on the All Things Vegan thread. Unfortunately I have to crash now though. Hopefully see you soon there.

Hi AriG. My heart goes out to you. I found pickled herring disgusting well before I was vegetarian, let alone vegan!
Now, in light of that, I would like to draw your attention to Challenge22.
Challenge22 is a totally free initiative to help folk transition to a vegan diet. The concept is that it takes 21 days to change a habit or behaviour so 22 days should theoretically allow enough time for a successful transition.
When you sign up you will be allocated a registered dietician specialising in vegan nutrition. There is a box to tick regarding medical conditions so your Hashimoto's will be taken into consideration. If they advise things which have already failed, just let them know and I'm sure they will be happy to suggest alternative solutions. I really hope this can serve as a long term solution to your dilemma.

All the best,

Akasha

[Akasha]

Ed on Ted!

In this presentation recorded at TEDx, Bath University in the UK, "Earthling" Ed Winters works his way through all the arguments against veganism leaving no stone unturned.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=byTxzzztRBU

[Akasha]

Many will be aware of Mark Passio and his What On Earth Is Happening podcast. Just under five years ago, he delved into the topic of carnism from an esoteric, occult perspective and it was a truly powerful presentation, except for one small problem......he wasn't vegan so he didn't exactly have the courage of his convictions. Fast forward to now and he is a self-proclaimed vegan. Well done Mark!

With that in mind, he has revisited his carnism presentation and in doing so has achieved a new level of PASSIOn for this subject. Enjoy:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=l4H2h1S-hcc