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    It was in Xian that.......... We were told that the whole place had been Xrayed/sonar? and that they were going to open the big tomb in two years. So far they still haven't. Any idea why? Like what don't they want people to see who would spend a small fortune to see it?
    ..........
    I think you refer to the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor
    http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=441
    Terracotta Army, very small part of the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terracotta_Army

    It's one of my major interest of Chinese History, I "dig" it for years

    why they still haven't open the tomb? Chinese majority public also puzzled about that, and there are always hot debates rising up from time to time
    http://view.news.qq.com/zt/2009/qshl/index.htm (sorry, content is chinese)

    The major reason in the official explanation is: we don't possess such technology to preserve such a big open-tomb, I find this article is the most professional explanations for all those public statements
    http://view.news.qq.com/a/20090615/000036.htm

    But my college mates who work in the State Administration of Cultural Heritage(http://www.sach.gov.cn/), he told me that the actual reason for not opening the tomb is someone in the top level of the CCP gave assertive order to do otherwise, that's back in 1980s, even today, we do have the technology to do so(as my friend claim), nobody dare to disobey that order-----that's the real mystery to me

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    I read all this and looked at it all. For sure, there was no closed expanse when I saw it. It had been open at least a couple of years with those things out in the open. they had like tents over them to keep out the rain but they were definitely exposed. Why would the government be committed to having a complete open tomb like look. My understanding is that there is a lot of gold and stuff like in the Egyptian tombs. Taking things out a piece at a time and putting them under class allow for much more detailed viewing. Generations? All I can say in the grand scheme of things if you really want to know you origins and history this does not make a lot of sense. I find it hard to believe in all this time they did not tunnel under with the sophisticated equipment and sonaring devices they have.
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    i recently read where the Chinese government is considering passing a law to make children care for their parents. Is that so?
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    Yep, that's something ongoing. A top-level important issue for Chinese people. In our tradition, take good care of our elders and parents is not just obligation that simple, it is much more than that, how good you take care of your parents will ultimately define your caste in the society, it is more important than power and money. but when the "western modernization" come, this concept is diluted, but the tradition is still there. Now, thanks to the Chinese Socialist-Capitallism,very few are supper rich, many more are poor and jobless, and many of them are lone prince generation, they are young but relatively poor, they can't afford to support their parents;but there is another side of story, many young generation, especially those who just graduate from college, at least half of them are jobless, even you do find a job, the income can barely cover your mouth, the best way they keep their life-style is to rely on their parents' saving or wealth---therefore, the Chinese government is considering passing a law to keep adult away from feeding on their old parents.

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    We seriously considered buying a condo in Beijing then for 30,000 but they would not let us rent it out in any form. ......
    If you did bought the condo, today it might worth more than one million US dollars

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    ..... While I do experience them in their own way as xenophobic; it also makes them not into imperialism. The Chines have always wanted to be left alone more than anything else. I see them playing on the world field to protect themselves. They had the greatest GDP of the world for centuries without leaving home. I do not think they will ever get over the British trying to take their ports and addict their people........

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    we are retentive people, yet we are forgiven and peaceful

    you point out 2 very important points here:
    1) Imperialism hardly have any root in China, even today, may be some elites in PTB plan to make a new "move",dreaming of China Empire, and despite the western term of thinking now are growing in China, let's not forget there is a deeper philosophy in Chinese culture: Justice ultimately decide who is the winner---that is the true meaning of "On winning without going to war"--The art of War, Sun Tzu

    2) Get over being invaded is something Chinese will never forget, especially the Japanese invasion in WW2, that's something will dwell on for a long long time, IMO.
    If we can not forget, how can we forgive? then how can we unite as one?

    That apply for many nations and peoples around the world whom had suffered from Imperialism. the bloody memories go deep and dark. that's something weight more than money or proud can be used for manipulation to Divide and Conquer----that is something shouldn't be let alone in shade corner when many westerner talk about Enlightenment this Oneness that, if we, as a whole society, truly One Earth family, that's a big issue deserve a deeper thought.

    may be one day, somehow, Divine Cosmic will lift off the veil of our memory, then, as a society, we can be truly united as One.
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    Hallo Cayman
    I was visiting Beijing 20 years ago and I have seen how it looks now in TV.
    Thank you for writing and explaning here about your contry.
    It was very nice when I was there and much has hapened during this years.
    Thank you !
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    I remember being told that no Chinese is ever called great until he is dead because he can always mess up at the last minute....
    Yep, that's a unique concept in our culture---谥号, it was used to revaluate emperor/king deeds in their lifetime. that's the Sword of Damocles for the Chinese emperor/king. Reputation in history is a big big big deal for Chinese emperor/king, 'cause Chinese people have a good custom to keep detail record on books, both officially and unofficially. we are retentive people


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    I also remember the idea that every thing is in cycles. Born coolie. Coolie work hard and buy land. Son work the land and become landlord. Grandson rent out the land and then sell the land. Great grandson coolie.
    ........


    A book: Tragedy And Hope (Carroll Quigley) have a wonderful description about the Cycle thing in China.
    Point is: everybody have a chance to become emperor/king, no nobles last for long in Chinese history as we know of. that's very unique in the world history.
    Hopefully, one day, we will break down the cycle entirely---everyone is the king of oneself

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    My one hope for better Chinese American relations is between the people. Not the governments. It is true Americans built the railroads in the beginning of them and I am told took no land nor demand of sovereign rights like Britain. We have also been allies twice in war.

    Do you know the story of the Dolittle raids on Tokyo? This was done totally as a morale booster for both China and the US. They trained bomber pilots to take off from air craft carriers. Something only experts could do. Then they fly to Tokyo and drop bombs but they cannot land on an air craft carrier. They must fly to China to land. Some didn't make it and ran out of fuel at sea. But those that did had hard landings. Many injuries and the Chinese were hiding on the coast waiting. Running down and rescuing the American men carrying them miles on stretchers into the interior. Hiding them at great risk from the Japanese and having to keep them safe for years until the Japanese retreated. Tokyo had been warned their time was coming.

    I also know the rare history of the Great Chinese Fleet armada with these ships almost as big as modern destroyers sailed from China all alway around India, the Persian Gulf and Africa. They captured no one. They gifted everyone. They bought some stuff. And they made detailed records of what they found. Decided there was nothing out there worth doing or that they did not have at home. Went home peacefully and told their tales. i think that was like the 12 th century. I have to go thru a lot of papers to find it. One of those big historic deals the West does not acknowledge and maybe your people don't teach either. Interesting the only replicas I know of are in Dubai.

    In the 40s and 50s America had not been taken over by the English yet. Now we are their face and thus the tensions between governments. Before, the people rather liked each other. If England had been in charge, Japan would have had a much tougher occupation because that is all the British knew which is why most of their empire hates them. Only those places they colonized mostly with their people can stand them. All her colonies have known the Anglo Saxon Mission. I was thrilled to see the British have to give up Hong Kong that the Chinese quietly waited their hundred years. And for all the fear mongering by Britain Hong Kong's return seemed to benefit everyone but the Man who is White.
    Beware the axis of sanctimony.

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    Don't shoot the messenger, I know his info is questionable at the best of times!

    Benjain Fulfords latest 02/07/2011

    Weekly Geopolitical News and Analysis20110207:

    "Much ado about China’s Hu; did he order Obama to resign or was Hu blackmailed? High level sources have provided us with a flurry of contradictory news about Chinese President Hu Jintao and what promises he extracted during his January visit to Washington. A high level CIA source has said the Washington establishment was forced to promise Hu that Obama would soon resign, the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Reserve Board would be abolished and frozen funds would be released by March of this year in order to finance a new era."

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    This site remains interesting. Cayman, I am sorry I am not computer literate to cut and paste and do quotes. I love your explanations of what did exist, and still does exist. The Chinese have always had a unique since of consciousness. Though we cannot know your mind and experience of it, the attempt can be uplifting. I read the Good Earth at ten and it made a huge impression on me, the reverence of the land and what love expressed as endurance is.

    Do you want to know what Ling saw here?
    Beware the axis of sanctimony.

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    ........ There was also thousands of people still making handmade bricks. When asked why they were doing this and it would take ten years to do this way...they said they would only really need them in ten years, most of these older people using low tech would be dead then---what would they do with all the unemployed. We told them they could do it with modern equipment in ten months instead of ten years and they said time is not money here. Time is living to completion.
    .......
    Unfortunately, that's no longer the case. now, government promote 'Time is money'

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    Do you want to know what Ling saw here?
    Absolutely.
    I'm trying to keep up with your pace
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    Cayman,
    I love your post. Chinese have been given a bum rap here in the US.
    Kind regards,
    Anna

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    Don't shoot the messenger, I know his info is questionable at the best of times!

    Benjain Fulfords latest 02/07/2011

    Weekly Geopolitical News and Analysis20110207:

    "Much ado about China’s Hu; did he order Obama to resign or was Hu blackmailed? High level sources have provided us with a flurry of contradictory news about Chinese President Hu Jintao and what promises he extracted during his January visit to Washington. A high level CIA source has said the Washington establishment was forced to promise Hu that Obama would soon resign, the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Reserve Board would be abolished and frozen funds would be released by March of this year in order to finance a new era."

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    How can we shoot the messenger when every time you post you show your extraordinary skills at blocking the incoming???

    Okay ... I admit it ... I am just jealous cuz that was one of my favorite movies. On a metaphorical level it is simply amazing.

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    Quote First - as we know now from Charles (the elite' way of thinking) time is nothing for them. Something can happen right NOW, tomorrow or in the next several years OR don't happen at all because the DISINFORMATION as such is the Elite' favorite Game. Such kind of information has strong influence on people's mind and helps Them to control masses in a particular situation.
    It's very profound thinking. and so the world is full of lies ,full of disinformation.Oh,I'm tired of this and wondering when we could have a true beautiful world

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    Quote That would be fun and I´m trying to learn the skill to access my past life experience, it is hard to find someone or some book to learn that skill in China. Any one can help me with that? may be some books?
    Hi,Cayman,have you heard of the man hyponotist 廖阅鹏? You can baidu it and find info about him.There's rumor that he can hypnotize people and help people access their past life

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    Quote You will need to operate through a proxy of some description.
    I'd set up a linux a/c on a server somewhere outside China and then use the server to do what you do. You used to be able to set up linux a/cs on servers in Russia. Haven't looked at it for years.

    If go the route of using a proxy list, those proxy servers will require using HTTP Proxy and not SOCKS Host. You put
    the web address in HTTP Proxy: and the number they give in Port: If they don't provide a port number try 8080

    AS I said I'd go down the first path. It is a much better method. I can't tell you were to find a unix a/c but they are out there.

    What am I telling you this for Cayman, I thought all Chinese were good hackers.


    Look at this link http://www.cotse.net/home.html
    ............................
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    Ling was hugely proud of the fact she had direct descending from the family of the yellow han.

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    yellow han? not sure what that mean

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    Do you know the story of the Dolittle raids on Tokyo? This was done totally as a morale booster for both China and the US. They trained bomber pilots to take off from air craft carriers. Something only experts could do. Then they fly to Tokyo and drop bombs but they cannot land on an air craft carrier. They must fly to China to land. Some didn't make it and ran out of fuel at sea. But those that did had hard landings. Many injuries and the Chinese were hiding on the coast waiting. Running down and rescuing the American men carrying them miles on stretchers into the interior. Hiding them at great risk from the Japanese and having to keep them safe for years until the Japanese retreated. Tokyo had been warned their time was coming....
    yes, that story is often told by movies and TV shows in China.

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    I also know the rare history of the Great Chinese Fleet armada with these ships almost as big as modern destroyers sailed from China all alway around India, the Persian Gulf and Africa. They captured no one. They gifted everyone. They bought some stuff. And they made detailed records of what they found. Decided there was nothing out there worth doing or that they did not have at home. Went home peacefully and told their tales. i think that was like the 12 th century. I have to go thru a lot of papers to find it. One of those big historic deals the West does not acknowledge and maybe your people don't teach either. Interesting the only replicas I know of are in Dubai.
    ..........
    this is a well-known history in China, known as "Zheng He's Expedition", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He
    http://baike.baidu.com/view/24124.htm
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    between 1405-1433 A.D. this story is being used by official as a big deal example that: once upon a time, we had the most advanced-techs in the world. that's an ego booster often used in TV shows . To me, it is a good example and portal to inquire the answer of WHY we(Chinese) fail to become a explorer people?----that have huge meaning for both the future----especially many westerner now assuming China will "save the world"/"buy the world"---stuffs like that, this kind of thinking is unilateral and inadequate

    Regardless what the governments/PTB try to manipulate and control, if we, as people, no matter Chinese, American, Japanese,English, have a mature and deeper understanding to each other, the stupid WARs should never happen.
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    Just remembered one important thing. Universal education had never been made available to people on a whole because the government thought if all the people were educated people they would want to read books all day.......
    Actually, what they told you is a lie. the actual reason is simple: for thousands of years, the ruling class in China follow one rule---the less the people know, the easier they can be controlled---that's the same case around the world history. It has a simple sentence in Chinese: 读书越多越叛逆(more reading, more revolt)

    Quote Posted by write4change (here)
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    Kids would study by incentives and parent pressure but not by their own choice. I was told that very quickly all their fears of universal education turned out to be unfounded and if anything made students much more amenable to state planning.
    Unfortunately, that's still the case, and get worse and worse.
    For the last 60 years, The PRC's education system is so irresponsible and hypocritical, it will become a biggest cumbrance for China future developments.
    In my personal opinion, from education point of view, I don't see how China will exceed USA/western world to become the No.1---so to speak.

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    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    Don't shoot the messenger, I know his info is questionable at the best of times!

    Benjain Fulfords latest 02/07/2011

    Weekly Geopolitical News and Analysis20110207:

    "Much ado about China’s Hu; did he order Obama to resign or was Hu blackmailed? High level sources have provided us with a flurry of contradictory news about Chinese President Hu Jintao and what promises he extracted during his January visit to Washington. A high level CIA source has said the Washington establishment was forced to promise Hu that Obama would soon resign, the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Reserve Board would be abolished and frozen funds would be released by March of this year in order to finance a new era."

    http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/
    Thank you very much, I always like to read what Benjain Fulfords had to say. 'cause I can't access his website anyway.
    my input on this info is a question: Do he really believe Hu is the real one in charge of China?

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