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    Suggestion: start an Amazing Books thread? I was hoping we could keep this to documentaries. Never-the-less, thanks for your response. Yes this book about I.G Farbin is very interesting. Author F. William Engdahl related an interesting story he heard in Germany, where he lives, that during WW II the people who lived in the town where I.G. Farbin was based had a practice of running to the lawn in front of I.G. Farbin's headquarters and sitting on it during allied bomb raids, instead of going into the bomb shelters. The allies had strict instructions NOT to bomb I.G. Farbin. BTW that would go for certain munitions companies as well. Gotta keep those war supplies coming, otherwise how could we keep the war going?
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    And, a little closer to home, (if you're Canadian) was the storied Camp X, also used to train infiltrators & saboteurs, "secret agents, security personnel, intelligence officers, or psychological warfare experts, serving in clandestine operations". Its attendees (difficult to verify, still) were such men as Ian Fleming. His fictional creation, James Bond, shared many of the attributes of the founder of the camp, Sir William Stephenson.

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    For the novel by Eric Walters, see Camp X (novel).

    Built December 6, 1941
    In use 1941–1969
    Fate Destroyed
    Garrison information
    Past commanders Sir William Stephenson, Lt. Col. Arthur Terence Roper-Caldbeck

    Camp X was the unofficial name of the secret Special Training School No. 103, a Second World War British paramilitary installation for training covert agents in the methods required for success in clandestine operations.[1] It was located on the northwestern shore of Lake Ontario between Whitby and Oshawa in Ontario, Canada. The area is known today as Intrepid Park, after the code name for Sir William Stephenson, Director of British Security Co-ordination (BSC), who established the program to create the training facility.

    The facility was jointly operated by the Canadian military, with help from Foreign Affairs and the RCMP but commanded by the BSC; it also had close ties with MI-6.[2] In addition to the training program, the Camp had a communications tower that could send and transmit radio and telegraph communications, called Hydra.[3]

    Established December 6, 1941, the training facility closed before the end of 1944; the buildings were removed in 1969 and a monument was erected at the site.[4][5]

    Historian Bruce Forsythe summarized the purpose of the facility:

    "Trainees at the camp learned sabotage techniques, subversion, intelligence gathering, lock picking, explosives training, radio communications, encode/decode, recruiting techniques for partisans, the art of silent killing and unarmed combat." Communication training, including Morse code, was also provided. The camp was so secret that even Canadian Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King was unaware of its full purpose.[6]

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    Camp X was established December 6, 1941 by the chief of British Security Co-ordination (BSC), Sir William Stephenson, a Canadian from Winnipeg, Manitoba and a close confidant of Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.[7] The camp was originally designed to link Britain and the US at a time when the US was forbidden by the Neutrality Act to be directly involved in World War II.

    On the day before the attack on Pearl Harbor and America's entry into the war, Camp X had opened for the purpose of training Allied agents from the Special Operations Executive (SOE), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and American Office of Strategic Services (OSS) intended to be dropped behind enemy lines for clandestine missions as saboteurs and spies.

    However, even before the United States entered the war on December 8, 1941, agents from America's intelligence services expressed an interest in sending personnel for training at the soon to be opened Camp X. Agents from the FBI and the OSS (forerunner of the Central Intelligence Agency, or CIA) secretly attended Camp X in early 1942; at least a dozen attended at least some training.[8]
    A view of part of the site of Camp X looking toward Lake Ontario.

    After Stephenson established the facility and acted as the Camp's first head, the first commandant was Lt. Col. Arthur Terence Roper-Caldbeck.[9] The most notable individual in the Camp's history was Colonel William "Wild Bill" Donovan, war-time head of the OSS, who credited Stephenson with teaching Americans about foreign intelligence gathering.[6] The CIA even named their recruit training facility "The Farm", a nod to the original farm that existed at the Camp X site.[citation needed]

    Camp X was jointly operated by the BSC and the Government of Canada.[7] There were several names for the school:[4][5] S 25-1-1 by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), Project-J by the Canadian military, and Special Training School No. 103. The latter was set by the Special Operations Executive, administered under the cover of the Ministry of Economic Warfare (MEW) which operated the facility. In 1942 the Commandant of the camp was Lieutenant R. M. Brooker of the British Army.[10]

    In addition to operating an excellent document forging facility,[11] Camp X trained numerous Allied covert operatives.[7] An estimate published by the CBC states that "By war's end, between 500 and 2,000 Allied agents had been trained (figures vary) and sent abroad..." behind enemy lines.[12]

    Reports indicate that graduates worked as "secret agents, security personnel, intelligence officers, or psychological warfare experts, serving in clandestine operations". Many were captured, tortured, and executed; survivors received no individual recognition for their efforts."[13][8]

    The predominant close-combat trainer for the British Special Operations Executive was William E. Fairbairn, called "Dangerous Dan". With instructor Eric A. Sykes, they trained numerous agents for the SOE and OSS. Fairbairn's technique was "Get down in the gutter, and win at all costs … no more playing fair … to kill or be killed."[14] Another group operated Station M for developing and making covert devices for the British Security Co-ordination. Casa Loma in Toronto is often stated as the location of this station, claiming that the book Inside Camp X is the source.[15] In 2015, however, author Lynn Philip Hodgson rejected this in an interview with the Toronto Star. "Nobody knows where Station M was. You won't read where it was in any book."[16] It is more likely, though not certain, that the Casa Loma stables housed the development and production of ASDIC sonar devices for U-boat detection.[17]

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    The most noteworthy agent was Gustave Biéler, a Montrealer of Swiss origin, who worked with SOE agents and French Resistance in Northern France before the D-Day invasion.[18] "The group destroyed railways, bridges, troop transports and gasoline stores and hampering enemy movement and supplies," according to a CBC report. He was captured and executed by the Nazis in 1944.[19][20]

    After the US entered the war, the OSS operated an "assassination and elimination" training program that was dubbed "the school of mayhem and murder" by George Hunter White.[21][22] William Donovan later started similar programs in Maryland and Virginia, as well as in Cairo, Egypt. The Virginia Quantico training center was initially based on Camp X programs.[14][23]

    Hydra

    One of the unique features of Camp X was Hydra, a highly sophisticated telecommunications relay station[7] established in May 1942 by engineer Benjamin deForest Bayly. Bayly was the assistant director, with British army rank of lieutenant colonel.[24] He also invented a very fast offline, one-time tape cipher machine for coding/decoding telegraph transmissions labelled the Rockex or "Telekrypton".
    Rockex equipment invented by Benjamin deForest Bayly

    The book Inside Camp X indicates that the facility was located on Lake Ontario, 30 miles across from the U.S., because it was an ideal location for receiving radio communications from Europe and South America via the U.S. The camp was an appropriate location for the safe transfer of code due to the topography of the land; it was also an excellent site for picking up radio signals from the United Kingdom. A news article also indicates that "HAM Operators at Camp X used transmitters to send and receive coded messages from Britain behind enemy lines".[13]

    Hydra sent and received Allied radio (including telegraph) signals from around the world. The Government of Canada later stated that Hydra provided "an essential tactical and strategic component of the larger Allied radio network, secret information was transmitted securely to and from Canada, Great Britain, other Commonwealth countries and the United States".[25]

    The Hydra station was valuable for both coding and decoding information in relative safety from the prying ears of German radio observers and Nazi detection.[7] Hydra also had direct access via land lines to Ottawa, New York City and Washington, D.C. for telegraph and telephone communications.[7] The main transmitter was previously used as that of American AM station WCAU's shortwave sibling W3XAU, and upon severance of W3XAU in 1941, the transmitter was refurbished and became the transmitter for Hydra. Other radio apparatus was purchased discretely from amateur radio enthusiasts, brought to the building in pieces and assembled on site.[26]

    After use by the Canadian Forces during the Cold War, the transmitter was scrapped in 1969.[25]
    Postwar

    One of the trainees, or at least a visitor, may have been Ian Fleming, later famous for his James Bond books, according to the book Inside Camp X by Lynn Philip Hodgson. (While in Toronto, Fleming stayed at a hotel near St. James-Bond United Church, but many believe the name was borrowed from a noted American ornithologist.)[27][16] There is however evidence against this claim.[7][28] The character of James Bond was "a highly romanticised version of the true spy", William Stephenson and what Fleming once learned from him.[29][7]

    Children's book writer Roald Dahl and British screenwriter Paul Dehn also trained at the camp.[30]

    After it had closed, starting in the fall of 1945, Camp X was used by the RCMP as a secure location for interviewing Soviet embassy cypher-clerk Igor Gouzenko, who had defected to Canada on September 5 and revealed an extensive Soviet espionage operation in the country. Gouzenko and his family spent two years at the facility.[6]

    Later, until the buildings were destroyed in 1969, the camp became the Oshawa Wireless Station under operation by the Royal Canadian Corps of Signals as a secret listening location. Any records not previously destroyed were stored under the Official Secrets Act.[6] The site, located on Boundary Road in Whitby, Ontario, is now a passive park named "Intrepid Park". In recent years, the park has been the site of annual Remembrance Day ceremonies hosted by 2 Intelligence Company, a military intelligence unit based in Toronto, Ontario.

    A damaged building from Camp X had been found and it was being restored in 2016.[31] Artifacts from the spy camp are still occasionally found in the park. In August 2016, a hobbyist with a metal detector uncovered a rusty World War II smoke mortar round, triggering a visit from Canadian Forces Base Trenton's bomb disposal team.[32]

    The historic plaque erected at Intrepid Park commemorates the school, which taught the techniques of secret warfare, and Hydra, which became an essential communications centre. An adjacent plaque is dedicated to the memory of Sir William Stephenson.[1]

    Camp X has been featured in movies and television programs. Recent airings include the CBC series of X Company, three seasons, 2015 to 2017, and the History Channel's documentary Camp X: Secret Agent School, July 2014, by Toronto's Yap Films. The latter included recreations of scenes and featured interviews with actual individuals who had been associated with the camp.[33][34]

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    "Ontario War Memorials". Ontario War Memorials. 14 August 2012. Retrieved 23 March 2013.
    "Camp X 75th Anniversary: A Brief History - Dispatches - X Company". Cbc.ca. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
    Montgomery, Marc (July 14, 2014). "The mystery of Camp-X, Canada's secretive spy school". RCI Net. Radio Canada International. Retrieved March 16, 2017. "The documentary, Camp-X, uses recreations of scenes along with actual recent archeological digging at the site to recover artefacts, and interviews with former "agents" and people associated with the spy school."
    "A Brief History". Cbc.ca. December 6, 2016. Retrieved March 16, 2017.
    Sachgau, Oliver (12 November 2015). "Canada's spies honoured at historic camp site". Toronto Star. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
    "Camp X – Canada's Secret Spy School – Canadian Military History". militarybruce.com. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
    Walters, Eric (2002). Camp X. Toronto: Puffin Canada. p. 229. ISBN 0-14-131328-5.
    "-Office of Strategic Services Training During World War II -Dr. John Whiteclay Chambers II -June 2010" (PDF). Cia.gov. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
    "Camp X 75th anniversary: a brief history". CBC. CBC. December 6, 2016. Retrieved March 16, 2017.
    Stafford, David. Camp X: Canada's School for Secret Agents. (centre section, unpaged). Lester & Orpen Dennys, 1986.
    Boyd, William (19 August 2006). "William Boyd on the largest covert operation in UK history". Theguardian.com. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
    Montgomery, Marc (December 6, 2016). "History: December 6, 1941 – War, spies, even James Bond". RCI Net. Radio Canada International. Retrieved March 16, 2017.
    "Archived copy". Archived from the original on 2015-09-24. Retrieved 2017-03-23.
    "Camp X « Trained to be an OSS Spy". Trainedtobeanossspy.com. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
    "Camp X trained Second World War spies; inspiration for literature's James Bond 007". Insidehalton.com. 11 November 2011. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
    Sachgau, Oliver (7 November 2015). "The name's Bond, maybe St. James Bond: Ian Fleming's Toronto inspirations". Toronto Star. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
    Casa Loma: The House that Henry built: how a castle in downtown Toronto helped us win the battle of the Atlantic in WWII. Eric Leclerc. Esprit de Corps. 18.6 (July 2011) p. 32|url=[1]
    "A fallen hero, a daughter left behind". Cbc.ca. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
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    Jacobs, Peter (30 September 2015). "Setting France Ablaze: The SOE in France During WWII". Pen and Sword. Retrieved 17 December 2017 – via Google Books.
    Albarelli, H. P., Jr. (2009). A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA’s Secret Cold War Experiments. Walterville, OR: TrineDay Publishers. pg. 67. ISBN 0-9777953-7-3.
    Roddy, Melissa (4 May 2010). "A Terrible Mistake: H.P. Albarelli's Investigation into CIA Scientist's Murder, at the Crossroads of Mind Control and Assassination". Huffintonpost.com. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
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    "Bayly, Benjamin de Forest (Pat) - Engineering Alumni & Friends". Alumni.engineering.utoronto.ca. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
    "Secret Intelligence Activities at Camp X". Canada. Government of Canada. 1 May 2015. Archived from the original on 24 September 2015. Retrieved 23 March 2017.
    "Hydra", in Lynn-Philip Hodgson, Inside - Camp X, 2000, pages 77-84.
    Vowles, Andrew (31 December 2015). "Opinion - James Bond's creator found inspiration in this part of the world". Guelphmercury.com. Retrieved 17 December 2017.
    Chancellor, Henry (2005). James Bond: The Man and His World. John Murray. ISBN 0-7195-6815-3.
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    Conant, Jennet (2008). The Irregulars: Roald Dahl and the British Spy Ring in Wartime Washington. Simon & Schuster. ISBN 978-0-7432-9458-4.
    "Archived copy". Archived from the original on 2017-03-17. Retrieved 2017-03-16.
    "Fire in the hole: Whitby man finds Second World War mortar bomb in lakefront park" (print version headline: "Whitby man finds Second World War bomb under park". Toronto Star, August 26, 2013. by Christopher Reynolds.
    Montgomery, Marc (July 14, 2014). "The mystery of Camp-X, Canada's secretive spy school". RCI Net. Radio Canada International. Retrieved March 16, 2017. "The documentary, Camp-X, uses recreations of scenes along with actual recent archeological digging at the site to recover artefacts, and interviews with former "agents" and people associated with the training facility."
    Ian Robertson (12 July 2014). "Camp X has rich history as Canadian spy school". Toronto Sun.

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    Here's a Canadian boy from Winnipeg, who, during WWII, Winston Churchill nicknamed Intrepid, the Master Spy Master--
    The True Intrepid: Sir William Stephenson


    And here is the infamous Camp X in Canada, during WWII.
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    Mata Hari ★ The Dancing 'Double Spy'

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    The writer that put short stories back in center stage--Raymond Carver

    Raymond Carver - Dreams Are What You Wake Up From


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    Lenny Bruce Live


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    Go to http://avalonlibrary.net and search for .mp4.

    All the videos archived there — and there are 95 (ninety-five) of them — are amazing.

    Or, they wouldn't be there.

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    Marlon Brando - Interview - regarding his latest film at the time: Morituri - around 1965


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    In this Veteran's Day 1963 interview Audie Murphy, America's "most decorated" soldier of World War II discusses his most memorable recollection.


    This is a film directed by John Huston, but it has documentary aspects. It is based on the book by Stephen Crane, the Civil War drama - The Red Badge of Courage. The film is well made and very true to the book. Audie Murphy plays the main role as the young man who faces war and all it's violence and uncertainty for the first time.
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    BBC's The Great Detectives: The Simple Art of Philip Marlowe
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    Director John Huston's "Battle of San Pietro", a great documentary about the early WWII Italian campaign when the Allies were routing the Germans out of Italy. This film is so realistic and graphic that the Army chose not show it.


    Also available here:
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    This film of John Huston's they did show, it's called "Winning Your Wings", a recruitment film for the Army Air Force, which it was called at that time before it split off into its own as the Air Force. Actor James Stewart is the host, who himself was a pilot during WWII.
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    This German film with English subtitles is intriguing and presents a vast inter-connected system... fascinating.

    The Net: The Unabomber, LSD and the Internet (FULL)


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    For those who resist these intrusive systems of technological control, the Unabomber has come to symbolize an ultimate figure of refusal. For those that embrace it, as did the early champions of media art like Marshall McLuhan, Nam June Paik, and Stewart Brand, the promises of worldwide networking and instantaneous communication outweighed the perils.

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    The Second Gun - The groundbreaking Golden Globe-nominated documentary about the RFK assassination by the late Ted Charach and Gerard Alcan

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    This is Rush To Judgement an important documentary of the JFK assassination, but take note:
    Emile de Antonio, who directed it, and worked with Attorney Mark Lane in making this film. Lane was exposed by Mae Brussell as an agent working for the same people who killed JFK. As with all controlled opposition agents, first to gain credibility, they establish themselves with some good and previously unavailable information, hence this film.

    Rush To Judgement does have some excellent interviews with many who saw other than what the Warren Commission reported and subsequently died shortly thereafter. This film was also partly financed by Clint Murchison, who held the infamous meeting with Hoover, Nixon, LBJ, CIA, Pentagon, and organized crime figures the night before the Dealey Plaza hit on Kennedy. This association also makes Emile de Antonio suspect as well.

    Antonio could be another Bill Moyers, of PBS fame, who acted as the home spun liberal. He was a CIA propaganda officer in the 50s and became LBJ's press secretary to keep the lid on what he might say about Dallas.



    You can get a copy here of Rush To Judgement
    https://archive.org/download/MarkLan...w4sQtwWfBo.ogv

    Regarding the previous post---Here is the entire series about the documentary filmmaker Antonio available at Archive.Org for Against all enemies: Emile de Antonio - Crimes of fascists
    https://archive.org/details/AV_492_4...ANTONIO_LEGACY
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    Netflix ‘The Keepers’

    A documentary series - very well done.

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    THE GOD PLANT

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    The God Plant Documentary 2018

    Actual link for you to check out on your own: https://www.brighteon.com/5846883965001


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    Interdimensional Civil Servant

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    Bill Hicks - Why is Marijuana Against The Law? (back when it was against the law)
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    Edge of Wonder on Climate Change: Is It Real? & The Hidden Agenda
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    mod note: former avalon member and friend of the forum Onawah has asked me to post this comment of hers in this thread, in reference to the 2 videos above:

    The climate change info that's coming out now, showing the whole idea of warming caused by CO2 is incorrect, is very compelling.
    However, the video at https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pii2z9v0ZRw has good info, but if you look at the youtube page for the creators of it, Edge of Wonder, you will see a bunch of Corey Goode and David Wilcock videos on their menus.
    It appears that they are affiliated with Epoch Times ( a new news source), which appears to be part of Gaia.com
    So I thought somebody should point out, for those who don't know the whole story about Gaia.com, etc. that that source of info is likely going to be confusing and full of contradictions
    For some very groundbreaking news on the climate change front see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6iOOuZCE_Y
    and Google Michael and Ronan Connolly for more details.
    Last edited by Mike; 25th September 2019 at 23:49.

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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    mod note: former avalon member and friend of the forum Onawah has asked me to post this comment of hers in this thread, in reference to the 2 videos above:

    The climate change info that's coming out now, showing the whole idea of warming caused by CO2 is incorrect, is very compelling.
    However, the video at https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pii2z9v0ZRw has good info, but if you look at the youtube page for the creators of it, Edge of Wonder, you will see a bunch of Corey Goode and David Wilcock videos on their menus.
    It appears that they are affiliated with Epoch Times ( a new news source), which appears to be part of Gaia.com
    So I thought somebody should point out, for those who don't know the whole story about Gaia.com, etc. that that source of info is likely going to be confusing and full of contradictions
    For some very groundbreaking news on the climate change front see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6iOOuZCE_Y
    and Google Michael and Ronan Connolly for more details.
    Mike,

    The Edge of Wonder guys are in to all sorts of stuff, some I buy, some I don't, but regardless for these 2 episodes they are sourcing the climate scientists themselves from the BBC documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle", they point out how CO2 cannot be the driver of climate change and what the real agenda is: increased taxation on the people and more centralization of control based a scare tactics about the climate.

    Cue to 26 mins. If you want to cut to the chase.

    BBC Documentary; The Great Global Warming Swindle




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