Here and Now...What's Happening?

[Carmody]

listening to:

Feels Like Home

[ulli]

Posted by peterpam (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
Careful about Peterson. I watched about 15-20 of his videos and found he made no missteps. No reason to distance myself from a minimal recommendation.

A friend, debating champ in his younger days...warned me to be careful as he says that Peterson does what is known as 'the Gish-gallop'.

The problem, for the friend, is that Peterson is apparently an Israeli apologist of some sort, from the friend's understanding. The gish-gallop is from all Peterson's reading, and no apparent research of his own? Basically, forming and placing and ordering everyone else's data, in a way he sees fit. nothing new in that and pretty well on par for the vast majority of 'experts' - as we like to see them as being. The gish-gallop in this case might be the simple subtle re-framing of excellent data, presentation and connection methods, projections for the reader to fall or step/walk/flow into, etc.

So, the man has some really good and decent data but beneath it all, it may be a bit ..uhm..er..off.

Most of us are resigned to dealing with the end point data as we cannot do it all ourselves. Peterson is very very good at laying all of that data out in a useful manner. But the deeper unspoken sentiment may be a bit problematic. We don't know the reasons/shape/etc for that seldom shown apparent sentiment, or whatever the case may be, so I think it is a good idea to not get behind him 100%.

The usual cautions, as no one is perfect.

Some of us can perceive the flaws sooner than others. Well-spotted.

Once the extreme left and the extreme right-wing conservative groups have returned to a more rational dialogue then Peterson won’t need to resolve to Gish tricks.

Actually, compared to the real hate mongers I am spotting online I think a voice like his is needed just to put the balance straight. And perhaps in a few years when the reconciling process is going fullsteam ahead I will return to my former liberal self, and perhaps Peterson will do so as well. Keyword is balance.

Three forces, not just two. Third force is often forgotten.
1) affirming,
2) denying
3) reconciling.

It's interesting, I started out as a ultra liberal. After working and getting a taste of reality I began to appreciate that nothing is free and someone is footing the bill. I began to see vast abuse of entitlement programs offered and it was really eye opening. I came to understand who it was that was footing the bill, at least in the US. I came to appreciate self reliance and saw that chronic victimhood can be very destructive. I still hold to what I guess could be sort of classic, core liberal values in many respects, I guess I now differ from many in the way I think we can get to equality and abundance for all.

Ulli, you are optimistic about a return to rationale dialogue. I just don't picture that happening, unfortunately. I wish I did.

I came back here only because I saw a major irrationality factor remove itself. Yay!
I believe in the “As below, so Above” Hermetic law, so what happens here in this tiny world of Avalon then happens in the outer world, via ripple effect.

How can I not be optimistic?

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)
listening to:

Feels Like Home

Aww, Carmody, doesn’t it just??? (Snuggles)

[meeradas]

my mom's in intensive care, and i'm circa 2000 km away...
and i cannot cope with that

[Strat]

Posted by Carmody (here)
the only thing that comes to mind right now:

I watched the trailer for this and I don't think that's it, not sure though. Definitely the right genre and time period, so not too far off the mark. I'm definitely gonna watch that though when I get a chance/can find it.

I'm not 100% sure on the whole getaway with the cash thing, but I do think there was some guy trying to flee from the cops. Again, was 10 years ago and I missed a good portion of the movie.

[Rosemarie]

Sending love meeradas. I would be feeling what you are feeling being away from your mother. Hope she gets better. If not to be , that she doesn’t suffer and feels your love.

[ulli]

She will soon feel the combined love from this entire thread. Here and Nowers have witnessed incredible recoveries in the past. I’m glad meeradas brought the issue to our attention here.

Posted by Rosemarie (here)
Sending love meeradas. I would be feeling what you are feeling being away from your mother. Hope she gets better. If not to be , that she doesn’t suffer and feels your love.

[meeradas]

Posted by ulli (here)
She will soon feel the combined love from this entire thread. Here and Nowers have witnessed incredible recoveries in the past. I’m glad meeradas brought the issue to our attention here.

Posted by Rosemarie (here)
Sending love meeradas. I would be feeling what you are feeling being away from your mother. Hope she gets better. If not to be , that she doesn’t suffer and feels your love.

Know that this has the highest appreciation from my side. Thanks to everyone (in advance, as well)!

[Calz]

Great to have ulli back with us

Cal

[ulli]

Welcome back Calzie!!! OMG, our powers of manifestation here are still working.

This merits opening a bottle of Champagne, or six pack.

Whatever!



So pleased to see you.

[ulli]

The old Villagers are returning.
New accommodations are being provided shortly.

[ulli]

Tree spotting in Rocinha, Brazil. If those villagers were like us here, that sad state of affairs could have been avoided. Whatever happened to town planning and parks? Anyone who thinks that there is no need for government ought to look at this photo.

[meeradas]

There is ONE tree in the picture... :-(

My mom's out of hospital, and resting at home - thanks to all of you, once again.

[ulli]

Posted by meeradas (here)
There is ONE tree in the picture... :-(

My mom's out of hospital, and resting at home - thanks to all of you, once again.

Does she have any helpers, or is she alone there?

[meeradas]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by meeradas (here)
There is ONE tree in the picture... :-(

My mom's out of hospital, and resting at home - thanks to all of you, once again.

Does she have any helpers, or is she alone there?

Not alone, which is taking the pressure off, just a bit;
however, i will have to rethink a lot of things now...

[ulli]

Actually, this is photo-shopped. Look carefully.

Posted by ulli (here)
Tree spotting in Rocinha, Brazil. If those villagers were like us here, that sad state of affairs could have been avoided. Whatever happened to town planning and parks? Anyone who thinks that there is no need for government ought to look at this photo.

[ulli]

Here is an undoctored view of Rocinha, Brazil, which is a slum suburb of Rio.
Obviously populated by people who were once forest dwellers.

I was always amazed how here in Costa Rica, the town of Cartago, which was once the capital of the country, has so few trees. Why did they cut them down like that, and still do? The answer is this: the early settlers came from Spain, and discovered to their horror that the tropical rain forest was an insecure place for them, full of large and small critters, from all types of ants, to huge spiders, snakes, and even leopards that ate their dogs and chickens. All this was posing a major security threat. Their houses are like caves, dark, few windows. Only the recent influx of foreigners has built homes that provide a scenic view.

[avid]

Spot the little pale green squares, definitely ‘shopped!

[Pam]

Posted by ulli (here)
Actually, this is photo-shopped. Look carefully.

Posted by ulli (here)
Tree spotting in Rocinha, Brazil. If those villagers were like us here, that sad state of affairs could have been avoided. Whatever happened to town planning and parks? Anyone who thinks that there is no need for government ought to look at this photo.

I'm glad this is not totally real. Reminds me of one of those "Where's Waldo" pictures. I guess this would be "Where's the Tree"

[Ernie Nemeth]

The baby toe.
So droll, so unconsequential.
Until you stub it.
Then it becomes the center of the universe.
Sure glad you back to normal.
I'll try and be more careful next time I chase the cat around the house...