The Mystery of the Cumberland Spaceman

[jaybee]

Many of you will have seen this before. But for those who haven't, let me introduce you to The Cumberland Spaceman.


It's about a photograph taken back in 1964. Here it is.





The full story can be read here...with the very strange Australian Connection.

http://www.blazingtalons.com/2007/03...-spaceman.html


QUOTE...
Over the years, there have been many strange pictures of UFOs and aliens to garner media attention. Most turn out to be hoaxes. Then there are those pictures that can't be so easily dismissed. One of those pictures is of "The Cumberland Spaceman."


Take a good look at the photograph....I think it is showing the back view of 'someone' and that there is a tube of some kind coming out of the helmet on the left, going into a back-pack.


As cute as the picture of the little girl is...I think it constitutes EVIDENCE...of 'something'.

It's just a case of what this 'something' is...???

Any ideas?


(I've got a couple but I won't overload this Opening Post...and I'll say later)

[jaybee]

Here's a short YouTube video of Jim Templeton talking about it...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uvyd5DbZ6rM&NR=1

QUOTE JIM......"Who is he? Where's he from? Those are two questions we want answered.

[blue777]

Posted by jaybee (here)
Here's a short YouTube video of Jim Templeton talking about it...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uvyd5DbZ6rM&NR=1

QUOTE JIM......"Who is he? Where's he from? Those are two questions we want answered.

iT DOES NOT LOOK VERY REAL TO ME , I think it is a hoax
lol

[Swanny]

Cumberland sausages are nice

[jaybee]

Posted by blue777 (here)
iT DOES NOT LOOK VERY REAL TO ME , I think it is a hoax
lol

So how do you think it was hoaxed. lol.

[blue777]

Posted by jaybee (here)
So how do you think it was hoaxed. lol.

As an artist , i can see that it does not sit very comfortable with the proportion....look at some tv. ads things can look bigger than they are....also if you go to the right hand corner of the girls hair you see a white mark...therefore these could have been stilts...and thirdly the person taking the photos in those days would have seen an image of the spaceman...therefore it is a bad hoax..as many things are nowadays[COLOR="red"]

[jaybee]

Posted by blue777 (here)
As an artist , i can see that it does not sit very comfortable with the proportion....look at some tv. ads things can look bigger than they are....also if you go to the right hand corner of the girls hair you see a white mark...therefore these could have been stilts...and thirdly the person taking the photos in those days would have seen an image of the spaceman...therefore it is a bad hoax..as many things are nowadays[COLOR="red"]

STILTS ! LOL. That's a new one.....

But Jim Templeton didn't see anything...his camera picked it up on ONE photo.

So you, like many do....are saying that he set up the whole thing to deliberately con people?

On it's own...the photo is interesting...and cannot be easily explained away. But the Australian connection adds another...dimension...to the whole story. Wouldn't you say?

http://www.blazingtalons.com/2007/03...-spaceman.html

The plot thickens in Australia...Jim's weird photograph was in the newspapers in Australia soon thereafter. The newspapers in Australia requested a copy of the negative of the picture, as they had their own strange sighting that happened to coincide with the spaceman in Jim's photo.

Woomera, Australia was the launch site of a big space project called Blue Streak. When the reporters started digging, they found that on May 23, 1964 - a rocket launch countdown was aborted when security cameras caught two "men" in white spacesuits walking around the launch pad. This freaky incident happened within hours of Jim snapping his photograph on the otherside of the world on that same day.

Later, Jim learned that rockets used for the Blue Streak project were being manufactured in Spadeadam, England...which is only just a few miles from the Burgh Marsh.

Australian reporters wanted to view the film taken on May 23rd, but it seems out of all the canisters of film taken during the entire Blue Streak project, the one canister holding that footage is "missing."

[Swanny]

It could just be her brothers action man stuffed in the back of her dress

[jaybee]

Posted by Swanny (here)
It could just be her brothers action man stuffed in the back of her dress

Many have tried to find a toy from 1964 to show that it could have been one. But to my knowledge no-one has ever come up with one that fits. And I don't think anyone has ever replicated the picture using the kind of camera that they would have had then.

Then there's the Woomera connection.

[blue777]

Posted by jaybee (here)
STILTS ! LOL. That's a new one.....

But Jim Templeton didn't see anything...his camera picked it up on ONE photo.

So you, like many do....are saying that he set up the whole thing to deliberately con people?

On it's own...the photo is interesting...and cannot be easily explained away. But the Australian connection adds another...dimension...to the whole story. Wouldn't you say?

http://www.blazingtalons.com/2007/03...-spaceman.html

yes , i do believe it's both a hoax and a con.....it does not have to be a spaceman it could be a person in a protective suit handling probably dangerous material, probably rocket fuel
lol

[jaybee]

Posted by blue777 (here)
yes , i do believe it's both a hoax and a con.....it does not have to be a spaceman it could be a person in a protective suit handling probably dangerous material, probably rocket fuel
lol

Jim Templeton....hoaxer and con-artist !! LOL.

I don't think it's a hoax or a con.

You are correct that it doesn't have to be a spaceman...as in ET...although that IS one possibility.

But you aren't going to get someone on Burgh Marsh in a protective suit handling dangerous material...(.that was not seen by the photographer.)

I was not there myself, of course to verify this fact. But there are other things to consider, like the weird size and position of the 'spaceman'.

[jaybee]

http://www.blazingtalons.com/2007/03...-spaceman.html

This is what Jim said many years later...

Below is a letter written by Jim Templeton published in the UK's Daily Mail in 2002:

As an amateur photographer on a day-trip with my family, I took the photograph on Burgh Marsh on May 23, 1964, using an SLR camera loaded with the new Kodacolor film which was processed by Kodak.

I took three pictures of my daughter Elizabeth in a similar pose - and was shocked when the middle picture came back from Kodak displaying what looks like a spaceman in the background.

I took the picture to the police in Carlisle who, after many doubts, examined it and stated there was nothing suspicious about it.

The local newspaper, the Cumberland News, picked up the story and within hours it was all over the world. The picture is certainly not a fake, and I am as bemused as anyone else as to how this image appeared in the background.

Over the four decades the photo has been in the public domain, I have had many thousands of letters from all over the world with various ideas or possibilities - most of which make little sense to me.

It should also be noted that I have received no payment for taking this picture.

The only suggestion that struck a chord with me was a letter from Woomera in Australia which came a month after the picture was shown around the world. The people there were keen to see a good colour copy of the photo, as they had stopped a countdown of the Blue Streak rocket within hours of my photo being taken. Apparently, two similar looking 'spacemen' had been seen close to the rocket.

Only later did I find out that part of the Blue Streak rocket was made and tested within sight of Burgh Marsh.

James Templeton

[jaybee]

Because I think the photo is genuine...and NOT a hoax. And because of the connection to Woomera, Australia...I've come up with these possibilities.

That the figure captured on Burgh Marsh might have been something to do with early human experiments with teleportation....???

Or to do with some kind of time travellers...observing the nuclear situation???

Or maybe ET ??? Again because of the nuclear situation.

[bosr]

It looks like a bee keeper scratching his behind while standing further up the hill behind the young lady. He was sitting behind a bush (hidden by the girl in the photo), taking a break from work and after being stung by one of his bees, stood up quickly to scratch the offending spot. He quickly resumed his position behind the bush to finish his tea before the cameraman snapped the next shot.

Reports of bees having been seen in the Woomera area may account for the Woomera bee keepers as well.

[jaybee]

Very amusing, bosr....thanks for the laugh !!!

[jaybee]

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A funny thing just happened - I don't feel the need to start threads usually as so many topics are covered already - (thanks to all thread starters )

I have been remembering the story of the Solway Firth Spacemen ... also called the Cumberland Spaceman... it came into my mind the other day connected to the craft Retrieval / reverse engineering topic - so I just thought I would do a search to find if there were any threads on the subject...

And there was one started by ME.....haha..... thirteen years ago



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It was in the days before the 'thanks' button and as you can see I didn't have much luck with the replies ... no one at the time thought it was as interesting as I did - and still do....

I thought of the photo again a couple of days ago wondering if it could be connected with reverse engineering experiments - in some way....... or even if the figure could have actually been in a craft that was invisible to the camera (being made of exotic materials?) but the figure itself, suited up WAS visible (to the camera) at that precise moment - human maybe and needing protection and oxygen -

There are a few different angles and possibilities to it - and one of them is reverse engineering of retrieved craft and an experimental trip from the UK to Australia or vice versa - somehow using nuclear material in the vicinity to aid + facilitate the journey...

here are a couple of links about it...

The 1964 Solway Spaceman Photograph: Case Report

The Solway Spaceman, Men in Black, and the Blue Streak Missile


I - 100% do not think it was a hoax ... a YT video has even come up trying to debunk it again - in the last few days saying it was Mrs Templeton with the moon behind her head - will go and look for that video later -

As homespun as the story is - it contains potential evidence of the first degree ............IMO........evidence of what is the question

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Yes it is very interesting jaybee, I don't deny, but what I've always been very keen to see, and never have, are copies of all the photos from that roll of film. The mother was also present. I think there is one other published photo of the mother that day (somewhere), and if memory serves she was wearing a light-coloured dress, though not plain white as in the picture.

I'd really like the opportunity to study all the images he snapped at that picnic, it might be the only way to rule her out once and for all - or in.

If I was to chuck an opinion in the hat, right here, right now...I don't think that's the mother, or 'anyone' else. And I don't think it's a hoax. A study of the negative by Kodak detected no manipulation. The Australia connection is also intriguing but impossible to substantiate. A good chance remains this is a genuine unknown.

[jaybee]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
Yes it is very interesting jaybee, I don't deny, but what I've always been very keen to see, and never have, are copies of all the photos from that roll of film. The mother was also present. I think there is one other published photo of the mother that day (somewhere), and if memory serves she was wearing a light-coloured dress, though not plain white as in the picture.

I'd really like the opportunity to study all the images he snapped at that picnic, it might be the only way to rule her out once and for all - or in.

If I was to chuck an opinion in the hat, right here, right now...I don't think that's the mother, or 'anyone' else. And I don't think it's a hoax. A study of the negative by Kodak detected no manipulation. The Australia connection is also intriguing but impossible to substantiate. A good chance remains this is a genuine unknown.

Hoorah - the first positive and serious response in 13 years !!! ...lol....

re the other pictures... here's the picture you are referring to I think... from here - mother on the right...



The negatives were never returned to Mr Templeton and I wonder if back in 1964 it didn't occur to him to publish (or even keep them all?) for analysis - the kind of analysis that is possible today but not dreamed of back then before the internet and whatnot...

It WOULD be great to have them all to see -

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks for the link and that other picture. That's what I recall seeing in the past. The mother's dress is definitely not bright white here. A brief scan of the article you provided highlights all manner of nonsense explanations as well - high intensity blooming? Given other elements in the scene that contain no such blooming this is a stupid suggestion.

Then again, the more compelling the evidence, the more the debunking tilts to the ridiculous.

The mother's dress - notice the short sleeves, and her pink skinny arm. Doesn't match the 'spaceman' one tiny bit. Unless she brought a change of clothes, padded clothes too, this theory is out the window.

[jaybee]

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Just sticking with my speculation for a minute that the figure could have been a human actually IN a reversed engineered experimental craft of some kind ... that was made up of exotic materials that rendered it invisible to the camera and naked eye but the figure inside it was momentarily captured by the camera.....(?)

Now I don't have much experience looking deeper into images but I had a little mess about with the 'spaceman' one - and wonder if the lines could be significant and part of forming a craft...? especially as the one on the right seems to be at a similar angle as the figure....

I know this is somewhat extreme speculation ...... BUT.... here it is...




The original image this crop is taken from is the first one in this link...........you can see the faint lines and there is also a hint of a band of light on the left of the girl's head.... (our right looking at it)...not showing up on the above image but visible in the original pic...


someone else might be able to do more with the photo to dig into this possibility ?