The Qanon posts, and associated US political analysis

**The Moss Trooper** · 6th July 2019 18:49

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
Is this 'public image of Avalon' near the top of the concern list?

No it's not. My own prime concern is the strength of hostility and animosity that political partisan expression generates. Some of that has been expressed here, pretty violently, in the last 24 hours.

And of course, moving the threads to members-only doesn't address that. Providing a means to ignore personally chosen threads might have, but it's a moot point because we couldn't implement it.

But here's a question in return... for anyone to respond to.

Do you really think that Avalon is performing a valuable public service by making this material publicly visible? That seems to be the issue here. And it's a genuine question.

Again, the number of people who've written to us still stands at 3 (three).
(And, again, all three are welcomed as new members.)

A forum is it's content. The framework is VBulletin, the meat on the bones is the content, it's soul. The content is generated by it's members, good and bad. If you are saying that the Q threads were not what Avalon is about, not what represents Avalon, why did it take so long to do something about it? If the Q threads are not what Avalon is about, or you therefor saying that the members that created that content are the types of members not wanted by Avalon?

I looked at Q in it's first month, I maybe posted on the thread 2 or 3 times, I thought it was a psyop run through some military server. My stance hasn't changed, but it didn't bother me one way or another about the Q threads. They are/were part of the forum, thus part of Avalon. The sheer amount of views and page numbers of the threads showed me that plenty were interested, one way or the other.

If there was so much concern, as being stated, something should have been done far earlier. Never mind about the public image of Avalon, the members are the public image of Avalon, the members are Avalon. Good or bad.

**mojo** · 6th July 2019 19:25

Please RE-CONSIDER the decision to CENSOR the Q threads both pro and against threads...

**AutumnW** · 6th July 2019 19:36

Ba-ba-ra.

Was not referring to Avalon members on the Q thread, but to non-members lurking. The vast majority on the Q thread have positive intentions, but the hoax material could appeal to the neo-Nazi crowd. And that is a problem.

**AutumnW** · 6th July 2019 19:57

I think it's important to reflect on this. George Orwell, 1984

“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

Pro Q anon individuals will, imo, eventually see that 'trust the plan.' is the Orwellian phrase of our time.

**Frank V** · 6th July 2019 20:07

Posted by mojo (here)
Please RE-CONSIDER the decision to CENSOR the Q threads both pro and against threads...

Please highlight what censorship there has been. Or better still, mojo, please wake up from the hypnotic alpha state and the cognitive distortion imparted by the QAnon material, and then realize that said material does not sit at the center of the universe. There is a grander vision, which you yourself as an ex-moderator from The One Truth should have been fully aware of.

No matter how passionate or fanatic you guys can be about the QAnon material, Bill and his team have a forum to run. Not only is having that material on the front door a disfigurement of Project Avalon as one of the important faces of the alternative community, but it is effectively also drawing people with fanatic far-right ideologies to the forum. Because when such people look at the forum's front door, or when they do a search on some QAnon-related stuff via Google or DuckDuckGo, then they're going to be under the impression that Project Avalon as a forum is US-centric and politically partisan, not to mention that this affects the entire alternative community.

That is, if we can still call it an alternative community, because I see nothing alternative in the never-ending bickering between thesis and antithesis, or in the political bigotry. The alternative community and the alt-right are two very distinct, discrete and mutually exclusive things.

The hyperbolic comments from some of the members here towards the very explanatory posts from several staff members ─ Bill himself included ─ clearly illustrate that those members are not even reading said explanatory posts from the staff, but are simply assigning some imaginary meaning to them instead. Because they have to have their fix, and even though the staff has neither deleted, nor banned, nor censored the QAnon threads, that is still what those members are seeing, and claiming, and holding onto for dear life.

There's a word for that, mojo. It's called psychosis.

**Jayke** · 6th July 2019 20:24

“We wants it”
“We needs it”
“Must have precious Q thread censored”
— demands the hypocrites who can’t see how overzealous their own brand of psychosis is.

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
I don't like to take any 'partisan' view, for to be partisan in anything is to have tunnel vision and to walk in just one dimension. But it bears noting that all the blue names are now of the anti-Q, anti-Trump persuasion. This can be seen just by viewing the various opposition posts and the lists of 'Thanks' that follow those posts.

So I'm wondering how this is representative - how this is balanced - in the perspective we all wish to uphold, that Avalon is not taking sides?

This needs to be addressed and quickly, because if it isn't, Avalon will indeed tilt very much into a partisan way of thinking and operating, which is what we're trying to prevent.

I'm not anti-trump or anti-q at all. I don't give a sh!t about either of them, personally.

Bill isn't anti-trump. He just wrote in a recent post that he was pleased he was elected.

Many of the mods are apolitical, actually. They're not interested at all and find the whole thing pretty tiresome.

Once again: we're not anti-q, and we're not anti-trump. We're pro-Avalon. And what that mostly means in this situation is creating a healthy balance here. That's what we're attempting to do.

Avalon has guidelines that are well written and state the values of Avalon clearly in my opinion. How have the mod team found it so difficult to enforce the guidelines of “positivity” and “respect” this past year? In view of how much negativity and disrespect those of us analysing the Q material have had to endure. Yet instead of welcoming a thread whose posters treat each other respectfully and positively. We’re just treated with more disrespect and more negativity. It’s a self contradictory cycle that tarnishes the integrity of Avalon’s stated values.

When stated values are out of alignment with enacted values, the resultant cognitive dissonance is where all the rage quits emanate from. We don’t need mods that will spend 15 hours debating about their own moral intentions and positions, we just need mods that can uphold Avalon’s integrity by upholding its stated guidelines. You guys are creating way too much stress for yourselves when the stated guidelines are already written down perfectly clear. The guidelines are fine, what’s caused the divisiveness is the mods inconsistency in enforcing them.

The debate isn’t ultimately about being pro-Q or anti-Trump (and it certainly has nothing to do with neo-nazies

), that’s just the surface-level, superficial, projected fears and mirages, covering up the deeper dynamics. The true source of contention that’s giving youse guys so much head scratching behind the scenes is the difference between morality vs ethics?

Morality vs Ethics?

I guess I’ll have to elaborate on that with a further update, but Avalon used to have an Ethos that drew a distinguished group of people together from a truly diverse background of interests. The more Avalon placates itself to the morality police, the more divided and hostile the forum becomes.

Morality vs Ethics... Fire and ice! What does it take to pull the sword from the stone and create some well tempered virtues?

**RunningDeer** · 6th July 2019 20:24

Posted by Aragorn (here)

Posted by mojo (here)
Please RE-CONSIDER the decision to CENSOR the Q threads both pro and against threads...

Please highlight what censorship there has been. Or better still, mojo, please wake up from the hypnotic alpha state and the cognitive distortion imparted by the QAnon material, and then realize that said material does not sit at the center of the universe. There is a grander vision, which you yourself as an ex-moderator from The One Truth should have been fully aware of.

There's a word for that, mojo. It's called psychosis.

Aragorn, I’ve clicked the triangle to request your post be moved to one of the other The 'Q' Material, pros and cons.

**Frank V** · 6th July 2019 20:33

Posted by Jayke (here)
“We wants it”
“We needs it”
“Must have precious Q thread censored”
— demands the hypocrites who can’t see how overzealous their own brand of psychosis is.

Thank you for going ad hominem, and as such, proving my case in the process.

I shall now take my leave from this thread again. I only started looking at it because of the most recent contributions from the mods. I personally couldn't care less about the QAnon material.

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Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by Aragorn (here)

Posted by mojo (here)
Please RE-CONSIDER the decision to CENSOR the Q threads both pro and against threads...

Please highlight what censorship there has been. Or better still, mojo, please wake up from the hypnotic alpha state and the cognitive distortion imparted by the QAnon material, and then realize that said material does not sit at the center of the universe. There is a grander vision, which you yourself as an ex-moderator from The One Truth should have been fully aware of.

There's a word for that, mojo. It's called psychosis.

Aragorn, I’ve clicked the triangle to request your post be moved to one of the other The 'Q' Material, pros and cons.

My post was a direct reply to mojo's post here, Paula. I am not monitoring that other thread because I'm not interested in that discussion. Furthermore, mojo posted his hyperbolic comment about censorship here on this thread, not on the other one, and therefore moving my post to the other thread would disrupt the natural flow of the communication on said thread, plus that ─ guess what? ─ it would be a form of censorship.

**Jayke** · 6th July 2019 20:36

Posted by Aragorn (here)

Posted by Jayke (here)
“We wants it”
“We needs it”
“Must have precious Q thread censored”
— demands the hypocrites who can’t see how overzealous their own brand of psychosis is.

Thank you for going ad hominem, and as such, proving my case in the process.

I shall now take my leave from this thread again. I only started looking at it because of the most recent contributions from the mods. I personally couldn't care less about the QAnon material.

I literally just repeated your own buzzword and quote back to you.

**Frank V** · 6th July 2019 20:44

Posted by Jayke (here)

Posted by Aragorn (here)

Posted by Jayke (here)
“We wants it”
“We needs it”
“Must have precious Q thread censored”
— demands the hypocrites who can’t see how overzealous their own brand of psychosis is.

Thank you for going ad hominem, and as such, proving my case in the process.

I shall now take my leave from this thread again. I only started looking at it because of the most recent contributions from the mods. I personally couldn't care less about the QAnon material.

I literally just repeated your own buzzword and quote back to you.

No, you didn't. But the deflection is noted, and like I said, I'll be taking my leave from this thread again. I will however allow you to have the last word.

**mojo** · 6th July 2019 20:50

mojo, please wake up from the hypnotic alpha state and the cognitive distortion imparted by the QAnon material,

Personal attacks Aragon? Thats your opinion and since you brought up the one truth forum which I stepped down from as mod recalling your personal attacks on this forum... Now your back following the mods and showing your support... my how things change with perceived power...

**RunningDeer** · 6th July 2019 21:23

Posted by mojo (here)

mojo, please wake up from the hypnotic alpha state and the cognitive distortion imparted by the QAnon material,

Personal attacks Aragon? Thats your opinion and since you brought up the one truth forum which I stepped down from as mod recalling your personal attacks on this forum... Now your back following the mods and showing your support... my how things change with perceived power...

I read some of those public threads. The graphic of **** with breasts was one of many low points at TOT. I know it was altered because I used the same, unaltered one of him years before.

It’s unprofessional to share any information about members here, from or at TOT. I’d strongly suggest that he NEVER has access to the mods’ backroom at Avalon.

NOTE: I never was nor will I ever be a member of TOT. Based on those public threads, I can't imagine what goes on in 'members only'.

**mojo** · 6th July 2019 21:41

RunningDeer Im also very concerned about the same. Was the photo you mentioned me? If so I have a right to know what TOT did under Aragons Admin Power behind my back. Since arriving here its easy to spot the strong desire to support the power structure here.

**AutumnW** · 6th July 2019 21:54

Mojo,

Just a short explanation of what the problem between you two might have been. It may be evidenced in your response above. You and Aragorn had very strong opinions about Q-anon and he probably said words to the effect that he thought you were being foolish and you responded that he was supporting the power structure. Or it may have occurred in reverse order. If this is the case and he lost you as a mod as a result, there would be very bad blood and Aragorn hasn't held back his feelings of contempt for you. It's no fun being described as a tool of the establishment, simply because you don't agree with Q-anon.

**RunningDeer** · 6th July 2019 21:54

Posted by mojo (here)
RunningDeer Im also very concerned about the same. Was the photo you mentioned me? If so I have a right to know what TOT did under Aragons Admin Power behind my back. Since arriving here its easy to spot the strong desire to support the power structure here.

No, mojo, the name begins with a B. After I made the above post, I changed my photo on my message board.

**Dennis Leahy** · 6th July 2019 22:17

The real heart of the matter, in my opinion

**Frank V** · 6th July 2019 22:54

One last post, because I don't want to get drawn into this thread, and I can clearly see that it was a mistake to try and wake you guys up.

Posted by mojo (here)

mojo, please wake up from the hypnotic alpha state and the cognitive distortion imparted by the QAnon material,

Personal attacks Aragon? Thats your opinion and since you brought up the one truth forum which I stepped down from as mod recalling your personal attacks on this forum... Now your back following the mods and showing your support... my how things change with perceived power...

It was not a personal attack, although I did single you out because of your statement that this thread was being censored. If you do not know what the verb "to censor" means, then I would suggest looking it up in a dictionary. It doesn't appear to mean what you think it means.

You are being untruthful about why you stepped down as a moderator at The One Truth. You left The One Truth ─ and for that matter, without asking for your account to be retired ─ because of the invective at the time toward Project Avalon ─ invective that did not come from myself only, although I will readily admit that I foolishly allowed myself to surf that wave. The reason you yourself gave for stepping down as a moderator was that you couldn't handle the pressure associated with the war that was going on between Corey Goode and the Ruiner followers.

Lastly, my reference to your brief stint as a moderator at The One Truth was in no way an attack on you, but rather an appeal unto your experience of what it is like to be in the mod room and seeing things from a grander perspective. Regular members only see their own perspective, but in the mod room you see everyone's perspective, and you also have to think of the forum as a whole. That is why I mentioned it ─ it was not meant as a slant at all.

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Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by mojo (here)

mojo, please wake up from the hypnotic alpha state and the cognitive distortion imparted by the QAnon material,

Personal attacks Aragon? Thats your opinion and since you brought up the one truth forum which I stepped down from as mod recalling your personal attacks on this forum... Now your back following the mods and showing your support... my how things change with perceived power...

I read some of those public threads. The graphic of **** with breasts was one of many low points at TOT. I know it was altered because I used the same, unaltered one of him years before.

Except that I had nothing to do with that photo. I don't even have the link to where that photo is hosted ─ although it would be trivial to ascertain that.

Don't hold me accountable for what other people are posting, Paula. I am only accountable for my own mistakes, and I will readily own up to them. I will however not load other people's mistakes (or deliberate acts of hostility) onto my shoulders.

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
It’s unprofessional to share any information about members here, from or at TOT.

I agree, except that I'm not sharing any confidential information about members. Everyone here knows that Mojo used to be a moderator over at The One Truth, and there is no shame in that.

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
I’d strongly suggest that he NEVER has access to the mods’ backroom at Avalon.

Thank you for the paranoid suggestion, but it is not my intent to become a staff member here. I have only returned here as per Bill's invitation, and with the intent of being a liaison between both forums, so that the alternative community would become stronger in the end, and so that Bill and his mods would have a direct and "official" channel for communicating with us over in our neck of the woods.

And that's all there is to it.

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
NOTE: I never was nor will I ever be a member of TOT. Based on those public threads, I can't imagine what goes on in 'members only' threads.

Nice innuendo, but there's nothing nefarious going on in our members-only sections. There has been plenty of invective toward Project Avalon in the past, and it was all publicly visible, so it would have been pointless to use our members-only sections for gossiping about Project Avalon.

What goes into our members-only sections is simply the confidential stuff. Members' personal experiences and things they don't feel comfortable talking about in public. And that's all.

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Posted by mojo (here)
RunningDeer Im also very concerned about the same. Was the photo you mentioned me? If so I have a right to know what TOT did under Aragons Admin Power behind my back. Since arriving here its easy to spot the strong desire to support the power structure here.

The One Truth has not "done anything under Aragorn's Admin Power behind your back", Mojo. And the photo Paula was referring to is not a photo of you. I don't even know what you look like, because your profile picture at The One Truth is an image of a diving manatee. All I really know about you is that you are roughly my age ─ possibly a few years older.

I can see that it was a big mistake to start posting here. Strong in this one, the hatred is.

As I said earlier, you may have the last word. I only hope, when I turn my back and you start talking behind me, that you won't be lying about either myself or The One Truth anymore. If you have a legitimate issue with The One Truth, then please contact me by way of a private message, and then I'll look into it and get back to you about it.

Have a nice day.

**mojo** · 6th July 2019 23:05

There are so many non- truths in your statement and you started with the personal attacks. Maybe someone else can explain how what happened to this thread is censoring. PUBLIC view counts when censoring on other platforms is happening. I supported TOT and have no animosity only your verbal jabs there as moderator bothered me and left quietly...

**Valerie Villars** · 6th July 2019 23:13

For God's sake, what's happening here is disgraceful. No one here needs to be lectured to. Last time I checked we were all fairly intelligent and able to handle ourselves. This whole thing is just gross. I can't believe the ones who are trying to convince us not to read Q are so incredibly hateful and condescending. Makes me want to read more Q.

Jesus.

**Forest Denizen** · 6th July 2019 23:24

Posted by Aragorn (here)
One last post, because I don't want to get drawn into this thread, and I can clearly see that it was a mistake to try and wake you guys up.

Posted by mojo (here)

mojo, please wake up from the hypnotic alpha state and the cognitive distortion imparted by the QAnon material,

Personal attacks Aragon? Thats your opinion and since you brought up the one truth forum which I stepped down from as mod recalling your personal attacks on this forum... Now your back following the mods and showing your support... my how things change with perceived power...

It was not a personal attack, although I did single you out because of your statement that this thread was being censored. If you do not know what the verb "to censor" means, then I would suggest looking it up in a dictionary. It doesn't appear to mean what you think it means.

You are being untruthful about why you stepped down as a moderator at The One Truth. You left The One Truth ─ and for that matter, without asking for your account to be retired ─ because of the invective at the time toward Project Avalon ─ invective that did not come from myself only, although I will readily admit that I foolishly allowed myself to surf that wave. The reason you yourself gave for stepping down as a moderator was that you couldn't handle the pressure associated with the war that was going on between Corey Goode and the Ruiner followers.

Lastly, my reference to your brief stint as a moderator at The One Truth was in no way an attack on you, but rather an appeal unto your experience of what it is like to be in the mod room and seeing things from a grander perspective. Regular members only see their own perspective, but in the mod room you see everyone's perspective, and you also have to think of the forum as a whole. That is why I mentioned it ─ it was not meant as a slant at all.