QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

[Belle]

Posted by Hervé (here)
Ras-le-bol:

I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth.

I apologize for posting in the wrong thread, Herve. My apologies to the posters on this thread, also.

Perhaps we could use a thread for questions and answers that would help bridge the gap between opposing views.

Like Gracy Mae, I, too, would like to understand the information used to come to such a different view to mine...without impatience, rancor, judgment, name-calling, etc. on either side.

I believe such a dialogue would be beneficial and healing, even if we end up agreeing to disagree.

Please feel free to erase part or all of this post if it does not fit here. I have been away from PA for almost 5 years...it will take me a while to get used to how it works now.

And on that note, I take my leave.

[Hervé]

Posted by janus (here)
[...]
Perhaps we could use a thread for questions and answers that would help bridge the gap between opposing views.

Like Gracy Mae, I, too, would like to understand the information used to come to such a different view to mine...without impatience, rancor, judgment, name-calling, etc. on either side.
[...]

Thanks and feel free to start a new thread for that specific endeavor. That's what the original thread was supposed to be, but... as with any emotionally charged subjects, passions went unbridled.

[Matthew]

Almost all of those moved posts were cool to read, and sort of most of them could have lived here happily I recon...

But posts that are images of Q drops from 8chan, with (what was it?) four words ... I mean,,,, come on. My guess: that tipped the balance

If we're going to post any Q-drops on the topic of this thread, we could probably start with the 'Profiteering post’ (April 29 2018 10:11:22 EST)

[Belle]

Hi YoYoYo!

That wasn't a Q drop...it was one Anon's opinion that he posted on 8chan. I know, it was still 8chan. I get it.

I do enjoy reading this thread...I just wish I better understood how people arrived at their opinions.

I'm seriously considering starting a thread (as Herve suggested) where we can dialogue...ask questions of each other, learn from each other, see things from a perspective we may not have considered before, and hopefully come to realize we are all flawed humans doing the best we can to understand what is going on in this world around us that has gone bats__t crazy.

Holding center is difficult when emotions run high. I need to give the ''how' to do this a lot of thought. We really don't need another contentious thread, and I would need the time to be online enough to ensure that does not happen...if that's possible.

Please feel free to pm me if you have any thoughts about this...this includes anyone reading this post.

[Matthew]

Hi! Make the thread, crack on. This one was invented as a dumping ground to hoof posts out of the main Q thread when *ehem*, I will delicately say 'they', wanted to swat them out the way. It lives now as an example of how to make an excellent place to move posts to out of a main thread. It has had some good discussion though. If we need to re-tune the post hoofing... I have a feeling we can start to fine tune it now, I;m not sure there was the option previously. But moving on really quickly.

For a list of basic premise that we don't each share on the Q topic, I thought the poll was a good lexicon. That's my best thought. Other than that, I don;t actually care about the Q topic itself anymore; I've posted too much on the topic already

But do your thread thing, yeah!

[Matthew]

Posted by janus (here)
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I do enjoy reading this thread...I just wish I better understood how people arrived at their opinions.
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I was thinking I could be more useful and provide a link or two to posts that might at least try and help answer this from my own humble perspective. The shear volume of information around Q, and the high frequency of drops, and the bickering... I understand it's really hard to get a gist on the subject.

Here's a good one from this thread

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1291574

extract...

This ongoing series, by internet journalist Elemi Fuentes, is long, detailed, intelligent, and interesting.
...

And here is a post from another thread, which, I think, is even harder to follow than this one. But the linked post below acts as a summary. It's from a thread that focuses on a letter from a Q whistleblower.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1282868

extract...

You need the Q tripcode to post as Q, yes. In this thread a person by the alias Pamphlet is caught on a video live stream using the Q tripcode to post as Q

I don't care about Q, or what people think about Q. But I do care that prior research is available... it makes sense to bring pertinent posts to the forefront again. Hope this helps

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by janus (here)
I'm seriously considering starting a thread (as Herve suggested) where we can dialogue...ask questions of each other, learn from each other, see things from a perspective we may not have considered before, and hopefully come to realize we are all flawed humans doing the best we can to understand what is going on in this world around us that has gone bats__t crazy.

I admire the sentiment! But the reason this thread was separated from the main 'Q' thread was an apartheid-like decision — to stop people from [metaphorically!] killing one another.

I'd love to see it work. But experience so far, some of it hard-won, suggests that diehard supporters and diehard critics wouldn't between them be able to refrain from bloodshed. The whole arena seems just too touchy, and one or two people who are still active here seem just too easily provoked into hostility.

[Belle]

Thanks for the words of wisdom, Bill.

I comprehend what you are saying, (and here comes the but) but there is something in me that just has to try....even though failure is a good possibility.

[AutumnW]

Giving this a bump. Lots of value in this thread.

[Hervé]

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What I see that's happening with the Q movement is that it's slowly replacing all the research that's been done on Avalon and other forum... like, with Jon Rappoport and others gone , the reference then becomes "Q":

"Q said/wrote/predicted/etc..."

So we end up with a reference akin to a bible. with every one on the same page and verses... sigh!

There was a precursor to this which appeared during the Boston Bombings which went something like: "Are you a follower or do you think for yourself?"* and the authors then proceeded with providing what to look at and what to see in what was provided. So much for thinking for oneself!

Well, "Q" is designed for people unable to read long articles and in need of fastfood news who, like gamers, are best steered in the intended direction with questions: "Lookey here! What do you see?"

So, the "Q" questions/questionings are geared towards only one possible answer... very clever! (because all alternate answers have been deplatformed) No one is asking: "Wait a minute! Is the answer to that question worth knowing?

So, I guess, a counter psy-op would be asking:

"Are you sovereign? Or are you being manipulated?"

Related:

• Dystopian, Borderless Social Control System
• Revealed: Zuckerberg's and Facebook's DARPA origins

* "Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?" was the actual title of the article

[AutumnW]

Yes, Q-anon appeals to people who believe they 'think for themselves' and provides a lot of co-opted material that has some merit from sources who do think for themselves. Q then proceeds to embellish, distort, and provide coincidences that 'prove' something or other.

The heavy reliance on coincidence and synchronicity mirrors back the beliefs of those who are on a spiritual journey. But the very fact that they are being given these drops and encouraged, through participating in an echo chamber, to believe it unquestioningly, or to 'trust the plan,' is ideologically rigid and identical to a religion.

Anybody can be played. Tell me what your beliefs are, how you have been emotionally hurt, tricked, oppressed, dispossessed. What are your dreams, where do your affections lie, who do you respect? Did your mother treat you well, how about your Dad? Do you adhere to mainstream belief or alternative points of view? Tell me. I won't ask, but I will set things up in such a way that you will be tripping over yourself to feed me all the info I need. What are your fears? Tell me.

[Constance]

Groupthink

https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/basics/groupthink

When it comes to groupthink, this video by Derren Brown is so very telling.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ReUHhStG70k

[Cara]

Thanks Constance for reminding me of Derren Brown! He has some truly astonishing videos that demonstrate quite explicitly the malleability of human perception. They are well worth watching.

~~~

There are two books on this topic that are maybe useful reading for anyone wanting to explore more.

1. “Secret, Don’t Tell” by Carla Emery is a detailed recounting of how hypnotism and suggestion works. Detailed cases are recounted so it’s possible to see how the victim is groomed and his or her behaviours modified.

Here’s the website for the book: http://www.secretdonttell.com/

2. “The Corruption of Reality: A Unified Theory of Religion, Hypnosis, and Psychopathology“ by John F. Schumaker examines suggestibility and altered states of consciousness. The author is a psychologist and he describes in detail many studies; so this book is also an excellent literature survey.

Here’s the book on Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...ion_of_Reality

[Gaia]

Cold reading and propaganda


When I started learning English (nearly 18 years ago), I purchased ‘Life of Pi‘ as an audiobook to help me with the learning process. If there is something I truly learned from that novel, is that “repetition is important“. This is akin to Pavlov’s experimenting with dogs and conditioning their behavior. Humans, it transpires, are easily malleable and can also be conditioned under very similar circumstances. We are, after all, also animals. Political animals, perhaps, but animals, nonetheless. And so Qanon played on this repetition for the full effect of its conditioning:

Trust The Plan.
Trust Potus.
Trust Jeff Sessions.
Trust Huber.
Trust Grasseley.
Trust yourself (this point, in particular, is rather useful, given how it will be turned around to simply trust the plan, not your own thoughts or intuition).
In God we trust (this plays on the gullibility of religious folk and the patriotic-type of people).
Pain is Coming.
Sit tight and grab the popcorn.
Public awakening.
You are watching a movie/Think movie.
WWG1WGA (where we go one we all go).
We have everything.
Patriots in control.
Great Awakening.
Future proves pasts.
Disinfo is necessary. Perhaps the most important of all. Because if Qanon is wrong, is just because disinformation was necessary. If Qanon was right, then it is obviously because they had inside knowledge. The greatest trick they ever pulled indeed… Repetition is important.


And so on. Mantras that are repeated over and over so they will take hold in the subconscious and people will believe them to be true, even if countless amounts of evidence disproves every claim ever made by the Qanon team. Not to mention the fact that all these mantras are either copied from Cicada, or from movies, books or historical events.

Cicada : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301

[AutumnW]

Great points Gaia and I am super happy you're back. Sanity returns to Avalon!

Thought you and others might like this:

Follow the White Rabbit

Try as they might, these folks can’t resist references to the Wachowski siblings' sci-fi trilogy and Q, borrowing the directives given via computer screen to Neo in The Matrix, has craftily urged his horde to follow the white rabbit. The white rabbit in question could represent anything from the Playboy bunny and Hugh Heffner to the Catholic Church to a New Orleans artist with the last name Podesta—no relation to John—who happens to work with bunny-suited mannequins.


https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/y...spiracy-theory

[jimisroom]

Posted by Franny (here)


In the case of Q, it has continually targeted media and the Democratic Party in the US. While the nation's real problem is social, moral and cultural decay, Q has successfully laid the burden on demographic groups that are symptomatic, rather than actual causes. The absence of invective against Republicans is telling, and there is never a third-party alternative mentioned. Q is not a broad-spectrum movement, but one narrowly focused on getting selected Republicans in office. Q is highly partisan and serves only to widen and deepen the left-right divide, not foster unity and common solutions.

Thank you.


I've been reading several responses about this phenomenon and was wondering when someone was going to mention this!


I joined Twitter in the last couple of years specfically to connect with UFO experiencers and researchers... It was mostly awesome, but there were several days a few on my feed would be inundated with re-post Q drops. It was impossible NOT to notice over a course of time that they were highly, highly partisan.


My deepest and most heartfelt respect goes out to Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy for introducing us to David Wilcock, and I appreciate the volume and quality of work from all three.
But I'm paying attention to the timeline here. David Wilcock was predicting "mass arrests" of deep state criminals back in 2019-10 timeframe when he was interviewing Drake.


Their interview focused on exposing the actual deep state...third rail...secret govt, etc. The largest concern about the executive at the time was that "he", President Obama, was going to "take away the guns". That was about it.


Now cut to the last year and a half of a waterfall of "Q drops" shared and interpreted on Twitter... By the law of "repitition", if someone were to ask me who the "deep state" is...just based on Q drops and bakers alone, I would say the "deep state" is Obama, the Clintons, Podesta, Soros, the "liberals" (whoever that really is) and "the left" (whatever that really means--changes depending on who you talk to).


How is a third rail deep state that owns and funds both political parties "really" just the democrats and "the left"? It doesnt make sense.


If someone were to ask me what I learned from these "drops" about human trafficking and abuse...I would be obligated to mention Pizzagate...and of course Ms Clinton and John Podesta (I've heard this a zillion times)...yet Q never seems to mention the Franklin Scandal whatsoever. Why??? Find the documentary "Conspiracy of Silence"...it will shake you to your core and enlighten you on how these compromising situations control both parties. There's a reason Discovery channel pulled the broadcast.


Now this same source is pushing war in Iran? I thought exposing the "deep state" included not starting frivilous wars? Now people are being turned to that.


Trust the Plan is not as empowering as information and ideas on repairing our communities from the grassroots up. Where are those ideas and inspirations? Where is the information on how our system "actually" works...vs. the half truths we've been taught? Why no mention of the financial system, and how we can empower ourselves there? (FASAB 56 passed by both houses and the exec makes govt $pending even less accountable and secret...passed by BOTH parties and exec during Kavanaugh drama)


No... What I have seen is a repetition of a "witchhunt" rhetoric which is very distracting and in some cases seemingly creating extremists. Removing the democratic party and creating a one party state is not the answer, but some are actually repeating this.


"Lock them up" propaganda is not helping me get health care or put food on the table.


I grew up in post WW2 Germany as a kid in the 70s before the wall fell. We literally lived 45 minutes from the east german border... The Germans "constantly" talked about and warned us about propaganda. Now I'm seeing the same level of it evolve right here in the US...worse than what they were warning of while coupled with technology.


So I say the same as I said to a few of my twitter chums...BE CAREFUL with this Q stuff. While some info may be true, there is also an incredible amount of disinfo. Other Q followers have even admitted this to me, so "Chaos Theory" and "limited hangout" also come to mind.

Real discussion, discernment and avoidance of resorting to any kind of extremism is the key to our healing and will get us all where we need to be.

[AutumnW]

Jimisroom,

A thousand thanks. Qanon is a prefascist propaganda phenomenon that started as a live action game. It's useful to the sociopathic Nazis who are the deepest swampiest part of the deep state. What do you say to those who have this 'light bulb moment' where everything falls into place for them when they begin reading this stuff? What is going on with them emotionally and cognitively?

I have my own ideas on that subject but would love to hear yours.

[jimisroom]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Jimisroom,

What do you say to those who have this 'light bulb moment' where everything falls into place for them when they begin reading this stuff? What is going on with them emotionally and cognitively?

I have my own ideas on that subject but would love to hear yours.

It seems alot of this is based upon just that..."light bulb moments"...which in turn produce dopamine hits similar to, or even more addicting than those from the average social media post.


I remember getting recruited for the debate team in high school, and the thrill and emotional high that accompanied a well structured argument...especially if you had "solid" evidence from several credible sources.


The "high" here is quite similar, but much more "emotional"...based on "repeated" second hand information, not necessarily actual, complete research. The result is just an amping up of the outrage and anger. That anger and outrage are highly addictive to some...which is why whole media organizations are created around that model.


And, again, ironically in the case of "Q", this "second hand information" is highly partisan...much of it an extension of the Scaifes wars against the Clintons that started decades ago...if one really pays attention.


There is also a "high" in feeling like one belongs to a so-called "truth telling" exclusive group...a high that often over time (for some) morphs into a slight to incredible disdain for those "outside" the group. This is largely why I've avoided debating this. Discussion on just about any subject morphed from a few traded ideas to "my way or the highway".


The moment I got extremely concerned, was when people suddenly saw Roswell as a "real" event, just because "Q" said it was. Really??? There have been tons of people who have come forward about Roswell since it happened, and they have actual names and we've seen their actual faces...but suddenly an "anonymous" source becomes the most credible confirmation of Roswell? How?


This tells me people need to be extremely careful and not be decieved into thinking that "disclosure" is just all about locking up Hillary Clinton and whoever else they deem to be a public enemy.


I'm noticing that even some die hard ET-UFO-Exopolitical researchers/influencers have fallen for this.


All the information about our catalyzing DNA, researching, recalling and remembering our ET origins, the fact that there are at least 22 Earth races and we are ALL ET hybrids, and hidden Earth history has been dropped entirely by the latest bombshells which might expose the dems or "own the libs". One particular influencer was very organically "love and light" until after the last election, and now most of that has been replaced with disinformation railing against "the left" and "socialism"...yet they really define neither. What happened??? Why? What does that have to do with ET?


I understand we are a result of our experiences, and we can only go on what we've been exposed to....I have compassion for that...but folks need to maybe not focus so much on the witchhunt (whether against the so-called left, or against the president) and do their own research to help them understand themselves. The "high" of a deeper understanding of self is way more substantial and everlasting than the percieved high of the latest "dig" verifying why one hates John Podesta or whoever.


Poor Rosanne learned this harshly. Her success is from her comedy, and her comedy came from a deep "introspective look at self"...and then she shared it in her work for years.


Then recently she lost her way...the "Q" thing got to her so deeply that she couldn't even remark intelligently or actually inform us about the Iran deal like she intended without calling a woman a monkey. Was that a "light bulb moment" for her? Or a moment of the temporary insanity after accumulating so many dopamine hits based on "rage" and second hand information from a handheld device constantly being bombarded with rf energy? I forgive her...it could happen to any of us if we let it.


I am curious to hear your ideas on this as well. I know people generally mean well, but "disclosure" also includes remembering the hazards of groupthink, and avoiding them....


...don't forget examples like the Blue Eyes Brown Eyes Experiment by Jane Elliot nor the Stanford Prison Experiment...


https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-class-divided/
https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-class-divided/

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yUZpB57PfHs

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yUZpB57PfHs

We have genetic memory. We have been here before. The journey now is in re-directing the energy towards actually healing our communities from the ground up. The sooner the we do that the sooner we will actually be "ready" when ET shows up en masse.

[AuCo]

Posted by Hervé (here)
...

What I see that's happening with the Q movement is that it's slowly replacing all the research that's been done on Avalon and other forum... like, with Jon Rappoport and others gone , the reference then becomes "Q":

"Q said/wrote/predicted/etc..."

So we end up with a reference akin to a bible. with every one on the same page and verses... sigh!

There was a precursor to this which appeared during the Boston Bombings which went something like: "Are you a follower or do you think for yourself?"* and the authors then proceeded with providing what to look at and what to see in what was provided. So much for thinking for oneself!

Well, "Q" is designed for people unable to read long articles and in need of fastfood news who, like gamers, are best steered in the intended direction with questions: "Lookey here! What do you see?"

So, the "Q" questions/questionings are geared towards only one possible answer... very clever! (because all alternate answers have been deplatformed) No one is asking: "Wait a minute! Is the answer to that question worth knowing?

So, I guess, a counter psy-op would be asking:

"Are you sovereign? Or are you being manipulated?"

Related:

• Dystopian, Borderless Social Control System
• Revealed: Zuckerberg's and Facebook's DARPA origins

* "Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?" was the actual title of the article

To some, like me, this and the Q threads are useful data collection hubs. I just leave out the emotion baggage

[waves]

Posted by jimisroom (here)
....If someone were to ask me what I learned from these "drops" about human trafficking and abuse...I would be obligated to mention Pizzagate...and of course Ms Clinton and John Podesta (I've heard this a zillion times)...yet Q never seems to mention the Franklin Scandal whatsoever. Why??? Find the documentary "Conspiracy of Silence"...it will shake you to your core and enlighten you on how these compromising situations control both parties. There's a reason Discovery channel pulled the broadcast........

Great observations and contribution jimisroom, thank you.

I highlighted one thing you specifically mentioned because I keep forgetting that point - how telling it is to take note of the things Q doesn't mention.

Q conveniently avoids the big money Israeli/Mossad/Zionist factor and their having achieved total control of the social narrative by their acquisition of ALL TV, cable, newspapers (even all little local ones) and radio media, facebook, google and youtube, not to mention all output by Hollywood and hordes of bought out media personalities. They are now running all those medias in collusion with an iron fist and horrific manipulation of what the public sees, what is reported at all, and how it's characterized. I never see anything important accurately characterized anymore, including the frickin' weather - nearly across the whole world. They've been buying it all up little by little since Clinton deregulated media ownership limits that had been there to prevent exactly what has now happened.

There's not a chance to me that their fingers are not in something so social narrative usable as Q..... and from very early.

Whose offer of "substantially more than a million dollars" early last year for the Patriot Soapbox did Pamphlet.... 'turn down'?