Paul McCartney really is Dead

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I think a flat earth has more credibility than this story.
Chris

Well, the 'Flat Earth' is trivial to debunk. In this case, there are actually many more serious questions to answer.

Here's just one:

In each of the two collage images below, the two on the top left are known for sure to be what researchers call 'Biological Paul', because of the early photo dates.

So who were all the others?

[snoman]

ah the pleasure of imagination augmented by intelligent argument based on plausible explanation.
the art of absconding from one paradigm to another.
quantum logic particles residing in two completely distinct narratives.
conspiracy as a balloon up to a fresh and exhilarating perspective.

this is a bit daft lol.


edit (just seen your post Bill.. they all look like the same person to me)

[greybeard]

Tongue in cheek.
If there wasn't a conspiracy there would be a need to invent one.
How many years ago was this!!!
Im not claiming to be right that the original Paul is here and now--I just think this is the case.

Chris

[happyuk]

This has been getting a grip on me in a slow-burning way.

Check out the video of the Fab Four from 1964 on the Ed Sullivan Show, specifically Paul McCartney's face at the 02:11 mark.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jenWdylTtzs

His nose is definitely different from that of the present day Paul. They say each of us has a doppelganger. Even Saddam Hussein utilized body doubles, even going so far as to employ the services of a German plastic surgeon (who had been struck off for abusing young boys) to make various minor surgical tweaks to nose, chin, eyes etc so that to all but the mosts closest of aides, there was no discernible differences between the two.

In the book, In the Shadow of Saddam, the author shows photographs of the real Saddam versus the lookalike, and it is still amusing to see that much of the TV footage you see of Saddam greeting audiences even now is not the real Saddam, but that of Mikhael Ramadan, an English teacher from Tikrit who had the misfortune to be 'invited' to become Saddam's body double due to his remarkable resemblance to the dictator.

[T Smith]

I’ve read through most of the posts on this thread and understand and empathize with those who believe this is a trivial conspiracy. As a Beatles fan, and not just a casual one, I grew up with the backward music, the hidden messages, the PID mythology. It was all interesting to think about but I never took any of it seriously. One might even argue Paul is Dead (PID) is the ultimate strawman to discredit serious conspiracies. Those arguments are convincing.

When George Harrison died and Joel Gilbert’s documentary came out, I was again intrigued but passed over any serious inquiry. It just didn’t resonate with me as anything worthy of critical analysis. The most compelling evidence, at the time, was desperate photos of Paul’s earlobes—and maybe the height differences--but even these curiosities are trivial. Maybe they were deep fake photos, or something other. I also never took any of the so-called album clues seriously. Clues left by the band members aren’t evidence. They are suggestions. And suggesting a look-alike could play left-handed base, who also sounded very much like Paul McCartney circa 1962 – 1966, and who was seemingly equally as talented (and who looked very much like Paul McCartney), wasn’t credible. In short, any explanation was more plausible than the suggestion the Beatles (or PTB) replaced Paul McCartney in 1966.

After revisiting the suggestion critically, however, and in much greater detail (and it gives me no joy to say so) there is little question in my mind Sir James Paul McCartney is not the Paul McCartney we all know and knew prior to the St. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album.

We humans tend to resist what does not fit our beliefs. This certainly is not easy to believe. The forensic evidence, however, is almost—if not-- irrefutable. So much so it bears repeating: Sir James Paul McCartney is not the Paul McCartney we all know and knew prior to the St. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album.

It would be redundant to list all the forensic evidence here (this thread alone contains most of the evidence, all of which can be verified), including DNA tests, complete forensic analysis of facial features that cannot be explained by surgical procedures, etc. That is not to say questions do not remain—they do. That is only to say the man (or men) the world knows as Sir James Paul McCartney, circa 1967 - 2019, is not the same man (or men) the Beatles started their band with. Another person (or entity) has assumed his identity.

That is as far as I’ll state with any authority; anything beyond that is only speculation, and I’m still working out the why and how of it. But in the context of the occult, and in the context of the highest echelons of the Illuminati, which is what I believe is really going on here, all the pieces do begin to fall together.

In other words, what happened to biological Paul McCartney on September 11, 1966 doesn’t necessarily need to make sense to us in a worldly way, in the same way we struggle to understand in a worldly way what really happened to us on September 11, 2001. (The dates are no doubt not coincidental). Sometimes events only make sense after we accept otherworldly and interdimensional forces at play. These are forces we cannot see, let alone understand with any degree of resolution. Only after stepping aback from the noise and seeming randomness of it all do we sometimes resolve a much more-fuzzy picture that elucidates world events flowing on a chillingly conscious and intelligent undercurrent. That current carries us hapless individuals on our way without too much say about it. Tapping into that intelligence (perhaps even directing or attempting to control it and even controlling individuals), for better or worse, is the modus operandi of MkUltra, the occult, Tavistock Institute, etc. This is nothing new, known and documented by many names, and most of us understand this force is very real.

If the Beatles were indeed a Tavistock project, i.e. if their handlers were all high-level masons, according to the Memoirs of Billy Shears (also hard to for me to believe as Beatles music and messages of love and peace seem an unlikely conduit for an effective social engineering program designed to usher in the NWO), and if biological Paul was compromised by mind-control., etc., the narrative of his groomed replacement—which biological Paul was supposedly a party to, becomes much more plausible.

Sad to say this conspiracy is no joke or some silly bit of backward messaging on vinyl.

[Deux Corbeaux]

I never believed the story about Paul being dead at the time, but reading through the thread and googling the name Billy Shears, I found this:

https://fictspedia.fandom.com/wiki/W...ampbell_Shears

William Campbell Shears

William Campbell Shears aka Billy Shears was an American country guitarist who was born in Shreveport, Louisiana on September 16th, 1940. Colonel Tom Parker, Elvis Presley's manager, discovered Shears on a talent scouting trip to Shreveport in 1958 after Elvis had been drafted in the Army. Shears was then put on the road in a variety of bands that toured the 'Chitlin Circuit'.

The American teen magazine Teen Beat and Dick Clark of the TV show "American Bandstand" held a contest for Beatle look-a-likes In 1965. No winners were announced, because this was done under the auspices of Brian Epstein, who was in search of Beatle stand ins for security purposes.

Colonel Tom Parker noticed a similarity in looks and immediately pitched Shears to Epstein as a Paul McCartney stand in.

Shears began working as a security double in 1966, along with doubles for Lennon, Harrison and Starr.

In 1966, Shears also did a short stint on a popular children's program, "Captain Space and Solar Sue" where he portrayed Astronaut Billy opposite Captain Space The Cat and his partner, Solar Sue. Not wishing to play second fiddle to a cat, Shears left the series after 3 episodes.

Paul McCartney's Mini Cooper was involved in a fatal accident on the M1 motorway outside London on November 9th, 1966.

Brian Epstein is then said to have bribed police and journalists to keep the crash under wraps, before persuading the remaining Beatles to stay together and accept a double as a replacement. William Campbell Shears became that replacement.

Paul’s death explained why the band stopped touring in 1966, as well as started growing beards, making it easier to disguise the necessary plastic surgery an imposter would have needed.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by snoman (here)
they all look like the same person to me

Well, explain this.

[Hervé]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by snoman (here)
they all look like the same person to me

Well, explain this.

It seems like an original asymmetry:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Never been able to get very far with this conspiracy. Yes there are interesting stories. Interesting photographs. Interesting inconsistencies. But I consider the inconsistencies in photographs I observe of myself, and my friends and family, when separated by years, and/or shot in different light, at different focal lengths, at different angles, by different lenses and cameras, and on different films at different speeds. But the subjects therein are all the same people.

I who know the subjects in such photos closely and personally would positively know if they'd at some point been replaced by an imposter. I'd know, and you'd know if it was your loved one. It wouldn't be suspicion or conspiracy, we'd instantly know. 100%. Then there's those who closely and personally know the replacement – they in turn would also positively know if they suddenly started impersonating the life of my loved one... It stretches credibility to the extreme to suggest this is what happened with McCartney, a mega pop-star of all things. It would not be possible, at all, to keep a lid on a swap of this fundamentally huge kind, a swap which would impact so many lives around both men (McCartney and Shears). As conjecture and suspicion (which is all this is) wouldn't last 50 minutes, let alone 50+ years.

At the end of the day, absent of an indisputable smoking gun, stories and photographs, symbolism and hearsay, doesn't cut it for me. One person just cannot be this alike another person, sing like them, play like them, talk like them (with perfect scouse accent), walk like them, act like them, be so faultlessly the same as them, for decades, and yet not be them, but someone else, entirely unrelated, from entirely another country.

To my eye, these two people, Paul McCartney and allegedly Billy Shears, are the same person. These are without doubt Paul McCartney, the same person.


These cannot be two different people -- without a million other different people coming forward to say so and to prove it.

Given that The Beatles were, or at least became, a product of the Tavistock Institute, it's just as likely to me that this whole thing is a sham, a false bone of contention, a deliberate manipulation and setting-up of the conspiracy crowd – especially classic is all the occult crap thrown in, messages played backwards, "Paul is Dead", "666" et al – to study the reaction and evolution of this fiction, this fable, this modern tragedy, and to game it (and us) for the same purposes that these engineering programs game, mould, deflect, direct, and condition our every thought and perception. Or try to.

Maybe it began naturally. Maybe there was a car crash, and maybe there was a rumour, and 'they' seized an opportunity. Gave it legs, sustained it, embellished it. An experiment? Who knows. But this alternative, however out-there it sounds, but again given what we know of these programs, is still quite possible to me (and does seem a lot more likely).

[Bill Ryan]

In this short (6 mins) video, Mike Williams reads out a couple of e-mails he received. The first was from the friend of someone who was an electrician who'd had an assignment one day, back in the 1980s. It turned out to be for Paul McCartney.

When he arrived, Linda, apparently off-guard, addressed Paul as "Billy", and then when he entered the room, there was Paul playing his guitar right-handed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iEV3V5Jx76M

[greybeard]

We are debating and we really cant prove either point of view.
A right handed person playing left handed is no easy thing.
As said I suspect the original Paul is alive and well.
You can fool some of the people some of the time etc.
Chris

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Again, this is hearsay, Bill. I won't say it's impossible, I won't say anything's impossible (yes, even that bloody Q), it's just...very difficult to parse the enormity of what would need to be involved in swapping one person for another in this fashion.

To locate an exact physical replica of McCartney would be one vast miracle in itself, the other(s) are that that replica also happened to be a superb musician/songwriter in his own right, as if cut from the same identical mould; could (and did) slip into the Beatles musical canon without breaking sweat; looked and acted the same as McCartney and even spoke, permanently and without deviation, a spotless scouse accent. And finally, could (and did) fool McCartney's family, friends, associates, ex-colleagues, ex-schoolmates, ex-neighbours, literally everyone who had ever known and encountered McCartney as a private citizen. He fooled them, forever, as a complete imposter.

I just can't get there.

It is more likely to be a fake conspiracy theory for reasons stated in previous post. It may have been pure happenstance in the beginning, but snowballed into what it is today - a tabloid-fuelled sensation, not to be wondered at due to the nature of the beast that is the celebrity spotlight.

And maybe, the Fab Four just went along with it too, why wouldn't they? Especially if told to by their masters. "Let's milk it, fellas. From now on Paul is Billy..." Why not? It's hip, it's far out! They become the centre of an urban legend too. If nothing else, they create a scandal and get even bigger, sell even more records.

I'm playing devil's advocate here – I really have no idea what the actual truth is. But if it's true, it's really, really bizarre, and totally counter-intuitive (unless there's a psyop at work). Because why cover-up the death of this one celebrity singer/songwriter and replace him? There are a literal ton of other celebrity performers who were cut off in their prime, and well...after dying stayed dead.

[T Smith]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

I who know the subjects in such photos closely and personally would positively know if they'd at some point been replaced by an imposter. I'd know, and you'd know if it was your loved one. It wouldn't be suspicion or conspiracy, we'd instantly know. 100%. Then there's those who closely and personally know the replacement – they in turn would also positively know if they suddenly started impersonating the life of my loved one... It stretches credibility to the extreme to suggest this is what happened with McCartney, a mega pop-star of all things. It would not be possible, at all, to keep a lid on a swap of this fundamentally huge kind, a swap which would impact so many lives around both men (McCartney and Shears). As conjecture and suspicion (which is all this is) wouldn't last 50 minutes, let alone 50+ years.

Yes, this is a perfectly rational explanation, and I agree with your reasoning. This very reasoning is why I never entertained the so-called evidence and also why I never took this conspiracy seriously. However, this may be a very complicated dynamic. According to Memoirs--which at some point will be proven to be either an astounding autobiographical account of William Sheppard assuming the lifetime role of Sir James Paul McCartney or the elaborate work of a trickster/profiteer capitalizing on a hoax (it is very well written, highly detailed with historical facts, and I highly recommend the read, regardless)--Paul McCartney privately announced his death beginning in 1965 to all his closest inner circle. He informed all (family, friends, colleagues) that a look-alike would assume his name and replace him in the band. Biblical imagery of Jesus/disciples almost comes to mind here. Paul was having reoccurring and haunting visions of his own death at the time and (remember this is the psychedelic era of mind-expansive drugs, LSD, etc., so all the people close to Paul--even the non believers--were somewhat open to these visions). In other words, biological Paul McCartney assumed the role of "seer" during this period and obsessed over his own death/replacement. When he allegedly did die on Sept. 11, 1966, just as he had augured (whether by accident or by murder), he essentially became a profit to believers/non-believers alike, including to John, George, and Ringo--the Stones, the Who, and all others who ran in the same circles. This event elevated Paul to something spiritual, something "other". This dynamic is all very intriguing and well documented with historical dates, facts, and compelling inside information, etc., in the Memoirs of Billy Shears.

Now: I'm not saying this is true or I buy any of this--all I'm doing is providing a possible explanation to counter your observations (and mine as before I was privy to these insights). It may be fantasy for all I know. But if true, it would certainly explain a sort of predictive programming to all in the know who may have otherwise rejected or exposed Paul's double, as you rightly observe (and actually serve as a collective psyop on the psychedelic movement at large).

I'm still not through the entire book (666 pages), so it's premature to say if I subscribe to this explanation, but what does makes sense to me, if true, is Paul was under mind-control experiments inflicted on him in the vein of MKUltra. These so-called "visions" were likely induced by Tavistock programming/drugs, etc., which then spread its tentacles outward and served as a larger psyop on the movers and shakers of the entire psychedelic movement. I don't buy the explanation in Memoirs that Paul McCartney was simply having "dreams" of his own demise and predicted his "replacement." Those thoughts were planted.

And seemingly executed....

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks T Smith. I have to admit I haven't read that book, and maybe I should before drawing a final conclusion. But 666 pages, hah! Yeh, so that's a coincidence...

What a tangled web, good Lord.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Just an observation. John and Paul were extraordinarily close as young working class lads from Liverpool. John was quite physically tough and a total rebel rouser. I seem to remember he beat up Stu Sutcliff quite badly during their early days playing in Hamburg. Yet after 1966, John Lennon became a passive, troubled and haunted young man. He still had a quick wit, but his machismo faded.Yoko seems to have been brought in as a handler, and he was extraordinarily dependent on her emotionally. As a young girl, I loved the early Beatles, but was never a fan after Sgt. Pepper as the energy of the music shifted. I much preferred the Stones (probably another great story there...)

I feel like the Beatles were designed as an early test manipulating the power of media/music and celebrity. Whether Paul was replaced or not, there seems to be ample evidence that there was much more the the 60's music scene than met the eye. The Beatles were controlled to a great degree. It was not the carefree time many of us remember with nostalgia.

[happyuk]

I'm still not utterly convinced but this is a fascinating thread nonetheless. One other observation is how the Beatles went out with a bang in 1970 never to return. How many if any other mega successful bands do you see do that? Most continue to grind out progressively worse albums as the years go by instead of leaving us all in peace. Case in point : the Stones who haven't done a really decent album since the early seventies in Beggars Banquet.

[Mike]

it's utterly preposterous.

not only would the replacement have to be able to sing and play left handed bass (excellently by the way) and compose brilliant hit songs in the exact manner of the original Paul, he'd also have to walk the same, talk the same, sit the same, dress the same, be the same height, be the same weight, have the same eye color, and have all the same mannerisms as the original Paul.

not only would he have to be a virtuoso musician, he'd have to play exactly like Paul did.

and, on top of that, he'd have to be the world's most brilliant actor.

and, he'd have to have an inexhaustible, near god-like focus to play the character of Paul for 53 years without ever slipping up in public.

our greatest living actor is Daniel Day-Lewis. can you imagine him adopting a role for 53 years and never breaking character?

so here we have the world's greatest actor and musician all wrapped in one...and also one hell of a historian, because he'd have to memorize a library of biographical information on "original Paul".

and then, having done all that, he'd have to fool everyone around him...all the time. endlessly and without break.

stop a moment and think of all the people that Paul knew intimately back in 1966. he'd either have to:

A) fool all of them indefinitely
or
B) let them in on the thing and hope they didn't tell anyone.

are you f#cking serious??? if even one person could keep that a secret, it would be an enormous miracle!

When rich and famous people get older, they have plastic surgery. That's what they do! Especially former heart throbs with fading looks.

it's totally and completely nuts

[greybeard]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I think a flat earth has more credibility than this story.
Chris

Thanks Mike I totally agree.
Chris

[T Smith]

Posted by Mike (here)
it's utterly preposterous.

not only would the replacement have to be able to sing and play left handed bass (excellently by the way) and compose brilliant hit songs in the exact manner of the original Paul, he'd also have to walk the same, talk the same, sit the same, dress the same, be the same height, be the same weight, have the same eye color, and have all the same mannerisms as the original Paul.

not only would he have to be a virtuoso musician, he'd have to play exactly like Paul did.

and, on top of that, he'd have to be the world's most brilliant actor.

and, he'd have to have an inexhaustible, near god-like focus to play the character of Paul for 53 years without ever slipping up in public.

our greatest living actor is Daniel Day-Lewis. can you imagine him adopting a role for 53 years and never breaking character?

so here we have the world's greatest actor and musician all wrapped in one...and also one hell of a historian, because he'd have to memorize a library of biographical information on "original Paul".

and then, having done all that, he'd have to fool everyone around him...all the time. endlessly and without break.

stop a moment and think of all the people that Paul knew intimately back in 1966. he'd either have to:

A) fool all of them indefinitely
or
B) let them in on the thing and hope they didn't tell anyone.

are you f#cking serious??? if even one person could keep that a secret, it would be an enormous miracle!

When rich and famous people get older, they have plastic surgery. That's what they do! Especially former heart throbs with fading looks.

it's totally and completely nuts

You're absolutely right, Mike. In the world you and I live in, this is utterly preposterous. So to reconcile the obvious conclusion that Sir James Paul McCartney circa 1967-2019 is the same Paul McCartney circa 1962-1966 (to agree that any other conclusion is completely nuts) we unfortunately open ourselves up to equally nutty questions. We have no choice but to embrace a concurrent narrative with our obvious conclusion. So maybe this discussion should shift to discover exactly what we are comfortable embracing if we also accept JPM is really JPM. I'll take a shot below:

If Paul McCartney is the same Paul McCartney, he is either a shape-shifting human able to alter his DNA and constitution, including the color of his eyes and his height (to address your points above), or the research cited is flawed and/or fraudulent. I am not a forensic scientist, but this analysis seems pretty straight forward and suggests to me it would be dishonest for any observer to dismiss or deny the scientific analysis (interestingly, the authors and the researchers set out to debunk the myth once and for all and are seemingly uncomfortable publishing their findings. In an absolutely obvious sabotage attempt, they do a very bad job at "discrediting" themselves at the very end of the article, deliberately putting a turd in the punch bowl, so to speak, with their "Jew Conspiracy" angle. What an obvious hack-job of an otherwise very cogent analysis.

So let's move on: Are we okay with suggesting JPM is a shapeshifter? A reptile maybe? So far as I know no one has successfully debunked the debunkers or suggested the evidence is fraudulent. If JPM is JPM, what else explains this? We should discuss. I suppose we could put blinders on and comfort our rational minds and just deny this evidence exists. To my way of thinking, however, a belief system founded on cognitive dissonance, no matter how "rational" it appears on the surface, suggests a flawed belief system.

I want to be clear. I don't know exactly what is going on here. But another explanation that seems a little more plausible to me than the idea that JPM is a shapeshifter, believe or not, actually addresses all your questions in the tapestry of a compelling narrative written in the 1st Person, presumably by William Sheppard, aka Sir James Paul McCartney, The Memoirs of Billy Shears.. The narrative presents as a fictitious "disclosure" of the PID conspiracy. I'll leave it at that.

I will also reiterate what I've said in previous posts. I'm not saying Memoirs is true or I buy it, and I certainly do not buy all of it. All I'm saying is it provides a much more compelling explanation of the PID conspiracy than the notion that JPM might be a shapeshifting reptile. In addition, that I don't buy all of it only makes its premise (non-fiction disguised as fiction) more compelling. But even if Memoirs is nothing but clever fiction capitalizing on a ridiculous hoax--and it may be--it is still very good fiction, especially if you are a Beatles fan and are privy to and/or interested in Tavistock, social engineering, the Illuminati, and secret societies.

Whatever is going on here I'm left holding one--if only one--irrefutable conclusion. Sometimes the world isn't at all what it seems....

[ClearWater]

Posted by Mike (here)
it's utterly preposterous.

not only would the replacement have to be able to sing and play left handed bass (excellently by the way) and compose brilliant hit songs in the exact manner of the original Paul, he'd also have to walk the same, talk the same, sit the same, dress the same, be the same height, be the same weight, have the same eye color, and have all the same mannerisms as the original Paul.

not only would he have to be a virtuoso musician, he'd have to play exactly like Paul did.

and, on top of that, he'd have to be the world's most brilliant actor.

and, he'd have to have an inexhaustible, near god-like focus to play the character of Paul for 53 years without ever slipping up in public.

our greatest living actor is Daniel Day-Lewis. can you imagine him adopting a role for 53 years and never breaking character?

so here we have the world's greatest actor and musician all wrapped in one...and also one hell of a historian, because he'd have to memorize a library of biographical information on "original Paul".

and then, having done all that, he'd have to fool everyone around him...all the time. endlessly and without break.

stop a moment and think of all the people that Paul knew intimately back in 1966. he'd either have to:

A) fool all of them indefinitely
or
B) let them in on the thing and hope they didn't tell anyone.

are you f#cking serious??? if even one person could keep that a secret, it would be an enormous miracle!

When rich and famous people get older, they have plastic surgery. That's what they do! Especially former heart throbs with fading looks.

it's totally and completely nuts