no-one has the definitive truth..have you?

[blue777]

Posted by fredkc (here)
was there a topic to this thread?

fred

you better go back to the beginning........it is now called ...is there a thread to this topic...

[blue777]

So Sam what you are saying is ...no-one knows the truth of what will happen , and a lot of it is made up BS...therefore the brown dwarf star will not come near the Earth...we are not going into a new Age , and everything is fine...and all the people on this and other similar forums are DELUDED..
if that is the case..why are you on this forum?

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by blue777 (here)
So Sam what you are saying is ...no-one knows the truth of what will happen , and a lot of it is made up BS...therefore the brown dwarf star will not come near the Earth...we are not going into a new Age , and everything is fine...and all the people on this and other similar forums are DELUDED..
if that is the case..why are you on this forum?

Very interesting blue777, the reality of it all is that we don't know what may or may not happen for certain. There are many theories and I have found over the years that much of what it is said out there never happens

Perhaps the only truth that we can have is our own, what we know and what we trust. There is nothing like knowingness, when you know the buck stops there and the quest is over

Direct experience and direct observation that is the key

Love

[greybeard]

Hi all
There is an ultimate truth.
You are alive and conscious of being so.
It is also true that at some time we all die.
The causes of death are many so does it realy matter if we die as a result of old age -- natural causes or -- planet change which is also natural?
I would rather die peacfully of course.
It is true that know one knows for sure about some planet coming.
Even if it is so I could die of any normal cause the day before it arrive.
Many died today -- many were born today.
Now we start to get into disagreement.
Is there on going life after the body dies.
Its my belief there is.
There is more evidence for life after death than evidence of who actually made crop circles and what they mean - im open minded on his one.
Me I think it is important live well now, but prepare for life after death.
im not religious but there is a lot of anecdotal and if we believe it subjective experience of the non-dualistic state of One ness.
You dont even have to die physically to experience that.
That seems an important state to be in, and thats my personal thought.
its important for if we believe what the mystics say, the spiritual energy of a true Avatar like Jesus or Krishna counter balances all the negativity of the world.
One enlightened being counter balances the negativity of millions of people.
Negativity and fear cause friction and war.
So to my mind and again its my opinion but expressed by the Mystics, every step forward that the individual takes spiritually lifts the energy of all.
I read about crop circles UFO,s and the rest of whats on this forum but I take it as something I can do little about.
So I do what I can to lift my attitude and decrease my negativity, The change starts with the personal I.
When I die all my opinions about what happens in this world will be of little use.
I believe and again its personal that the vibration that I have tried to create by being kind, tolerant, forgiving, to others and myself (I fail miserably at times) will serve me well when I leave this earthly body and I will end up in a realm that is of the same spiritual vibration as this self.

With love and respect for all opinions.
Chris

[Snowbird]

Posted by samvado (here)
The word research is probably the most misused word on this platform.

Reseach is meant to be a scientific term. it includes FACT CHECKING and VERIFICATION on an OBJECTIVE LEVEL. That means if i do the same i come to more or less the same conclusions as you did. now, how does that sound in the light of your RESEARCH.

I am not stating "I reseached the morning paper" - when i just read it. although it might be feaseble to research it, people usually dont.

Have you researched or have you just READ ?
How do you verify your "intuitive" sources? Its one thing to hear voices, another to verify their content against reality.

if you havnt you are just another case of channeling.

Perhaps Reseach is meant to be a scientific term, :-) but from my research of the dictionary, the term is defined as, careful, systematic, patient study and investigation in some field of knowledge, undertaken to discover or establish facts or principles.

I wouldn't know about the reading of a news paper, which is really and oxymoron, or the watching of television, both of which I have not done in years...decades.

Intuitive sources simply cannot be scientifically verified. The outcome, however, of the information offered, can at times, be verified. Intuitive sources offer help and guidance to help us stay our paths. Channeling is a totally different function.

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by Snowbird (here)
Perhaps[I]
Intuitive sources simply cannot be scientifically verified. The outcome, however, of the information offered, can at times, be verified. Intuitive sources offer help and guidance to help us stay our paths. Channeling is a totally different function.[/COLOR]

That is an interesting point. The only way to know is by direct experience and when we talk about intuitive sources that make all sorts claims, how do we know if what they are saying is true or a lie and how do we know that what they are saying we should do is good for us? It is the same old story as the churches that say to us do that or you'll go to hell and there is not proof that hell exists.

It is very difficult to take a face value what others say. I think that if others say that we have to believe them "because they know what they are doing" it will sound alarm bells for me. I will expect more information before taking any action and certain amount of logic over a period of time before jumping on any "intuitive" person banwagon. I say this because I have had bad experiences and because it has become evident to me that there are many wolves with "sheep" skin talking all ligh and love and then sticking on your back some nasty implant

What is paramount is developing one's own intuition and the ability of sensing energy. That way it is much more difficult to be taken for a ride. That is what I do anyway

Love

[blue777]

Posted by Snowbird (here)
Perhaps Reseach is meant to be a scientific term, :-) but from my research of the dictionary, the term is defined as, careful, systematic, patient study and investigation in some field of knowledge, undertaken to discover or establish facts or principles.

I wouldn't know about the reading of a news paper, which is really and oxymoron, or the watching of television, both of which I have not done in years...decades.

Intuitive sources simply cannot be scientifically verified. The outcome, however, of the information offered, can at times, be verified. Intuitive sources offer help and guidance to help us stay our paths. Channeling is a totally different function.

well done..................................snowbird.......................love it ....wonderfulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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Posted by stardustaquarion (here)
That is an interesting point. The only way to know is by direct experience and when we talk about intuitive sources that make all sorts claims, how do we know if what they are saying is true or a lie and how do we know that what they are saying we should do is good for us? It is the same old story as the churches that say to us do that or you'll go to hell and there is not proof that hell exists.

It is very difficult to take a face value what others say. I think that if others say that we have to believe them "because they know what they are doing" it will sound alarm bells for me. I will expect more information before taking any action and certain amount of logic over a period of time before jumping on any "intuitive" person banwagon. I say this because I have had bad experiences and because it has become evident to me that there are many wolves with "sheep" skin talking all ligh and love and then sticking on your back some nasty implant

What is paramount is developing one's own intuition and the ability of sensing energy. That way it is much more difficult to be taken for a ride. That is what I do anyway

Love

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[blue777]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi all
There is an ultimate truth.
You are alive and conscious of being so.
It is also true that at some time we all die.
The causes of death are many so does it realy matter if we die as a result of old age -- natural causes or -- planet change which is also natural?
I would rather die peacfully of course.
It is true that know one knows for sure about some planet coming.
Even if it is so I could die of any normal cause the day before it arrive.
Many died today -- many were born today.
Now we start to get into disagreement.
Is there on going life after the body dies.
Its my belief there is.
There is more evidence for life after death than evidence of who actually made crop circles and what they mean - im open minded on his one.
Me I think it is important live well now, but prepare for life after death.
im not religious but there is a lot of anecdotal and if we believe it subjective experience of the non-dualistic state of One ness.
You dont even have to die physically to experience that.
That seems an important state to be in, and thats my personal thought.
its important for if we believe what the mystics say, the spiritual energy of a true Avatar like Jesus or Krishna counter balances all the negativity of the world.
One enlightened being counter balances the negativity of millions of people.
Negativity and fear cause friction and war.
So to my mind and again its my opinion but expressed by the Mystics, every step forward that the individual takes spiritually lifts the energy of all.
I read about crop circles UFO,s and the rest of whats on this forum but I take it as something I can do little about.
So I do what I can to lift my attitude and decrease my negativity, The change starts with the personal I.
When I die all my opinions about what happens in this world will be of little use.
I believe and again its personal that the vibration that I have tried to create by being kind, tolerant, forgiving, to others and myself (I fail miserably at times) will serve me well when I leave this earthly body and I will end up in a realm that is of the same spiritual vibration as this self.

With love and respect for all opinions.
Chris

Chris , I agree with you , there is life after death, i also believe that 4D IS A PLACE OF immortality
lol
blue

[Snowbird]

Posted by stardustaquarion (here)
That is an interesting point. The only way to know is by direct experience and when we talk about intuitive sources that make all sorts claims, how do we know if what they are saying is true or a lie and how do we know that what they are saying we should do is good for us? It is the same old story as the churches that say to us do that or you'll go to hell and there is not proof that hell exists.

It is very difficult to take a face value what others say. I think that if others say that we have to believe them "because they know what they are doing" it will sound alarm bells for me. I will expect more information before taking any action and certain amount of logic over a period of time before jumping on any "intuitive" person banwagon. I say this because I have had bad experiences and because it has become evident to me that there are many wolves with "sheep" skin talking all ligh and love and then sticking on your back some nasty implant

What is paramount is developing one's own intuition and the ability of sensing energy. That way it is much more difficult to be taken for a ride. That is what I do anyway

Love

You responded to your own concern.

External intuitives or psychics are in business for those who have as yet developed or trust their own individual personal intuition. I listen to and read about the views of psychics, but until and unless what they impart feels right to me as an individual, I won't accept their information. I agree that we should never simply accept someone else's teachings because they say that we should.

I have read the prophecies of Nostradamus and others who have prophesied the gloom and the doom. And, I have watched and become a driving force within, to alter and undo some of what these prophecies state. Prophecies, psychic predictions and religious teachings stem from those whose information is from a totally different timeline. Their prophecies and predictions no longer hold water because we are now on a higher dimensional timeline.

The only way that I can prove what I am saying, is to suggest that those who demand proof, look back at the prophecies of Edgar Cayce, for example. These things did not happen when he correctly claimed, at the time, they would happen. This is because we now reside on a different timeline.

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by Snowbird (here)
You responded to your own concern.

External intuitives or psychics are in business for those who have as yet developed or trust their own individual personal intuition. I listen to and read about the views of psychics, but until and unless what they impart feels right to me as an individual, I won't accept their information. I agree that we should never simply accept someone else's teachings because they say that we should.

I have read the prophecies of Nostradamus and others who have prophesied the gloom and the doom. And, I have watched and become a driving force within, to alter and undo some of what these prophecies state. Prophecies, psychic predictions and religious teachings stem from those whose information is from a totally different timeline. Their prophecies and predictions no longer hold water because we are now on a higher dimensional timeline.

The only way that I can prove what I am saying, is to suggest that those who demand proof, look back at the prophecies of Edgar Cayce, for example. These things did not happen when he correctly claimed, at the time, they would happen. This is because we now reside on a different timeline.

Hi! I am not concerned, it was just a comment

I agree with your comments on the doom and gloomers, my own personal intuition tells me that the worse case escenario is not going to happen, I can feel the change, at least so far

Personally I still expect a level of disruption and earth changes

Love

[greybeard]

Hi Blue777 and Star
I dont know anything about other realms but I am sure there are. We are already immortal but dont know it.
Im with you Stardustaquarian, my feeling is that we will live to laugh and play after 2012.
Yes there will be earth changes some fairly dramatic but this in not new, cycles are on going and existed on Earth long before we did.
The thing is to enjoy the moments and not to go looking for trouble round every coner.
If I know anything of life it is from my own experience, you find what you are looking for, there is always evidence to support any belief.
The world is flat isent it?????
Even if you are not interested in spiritual teaching it can still be very helpful from a positive thinking point of view.
Eckhart Tolle said "There is never a problem in the present moment" there may be challenges but most times the mind manufacture problems from past or future.
It tends to find the present moment boring as not much seems to be happening NOW.
No-thing to worry about =s boredom to some minds.
Thats why horror movies make a fortune --- seems we need something to be scared of. Lol
Boo!!!!!
Chris

[blue777]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi Blue777 and Star
I dont know anything about other realms but I am sure there are. We are already immortal but dont know it.
Im with you Stardustaquarian, my feeling is that we will live to laugh and play after 2012.
Yes there will be earth changes some fairly dramatic but this in not new, cycles are on going and existed on Earth long before we did.
The thing is to enjoy the moments and not to go looking for trouble round every coner.
If I know anything of life it is from my own experience, you find what you are looking for, there is always evidence to support any belief.
The world is flat isent it?????
Even if you are not interested in spiritual teaching it can still be very helpful from a positive thinking point of view.
Eckhart Tolle said "There is never a problem in the present moment" there may be challenges but most times the mind manufacture problems from past or future.
It tends to find the present moment boring as not much seems to be happening NOW.
No-thing to worry about =s boredom to some minds.
Thats why horror movies make a fortune --- seems we need something to be scared of. Lol
Boo!!!!!
Chris

I agree Chris, we should enjoy everyday, depends on your circumstance and health
lol
blue