Whitley Strieber

[ashva]

I was wondering if I could solicit the good people of Project Avalon for their opinion of Whitley Strieber.

I was wondering too does anyone think it significant that he is seemingly ignored by UFOlogy at large?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by ashva (here)
I was wondering if I could solicit the good people of Project Avalon for their opinion of Whitley Strieber.

I was wondering too does anyone think it significant that he is seemingly ignored by UFOlogy at large?

Many thanks, and I'll kick off: coincidentally, I was listening to a radio interview of his just half an hour ago, but I only made the first 20 mins before I baled out.

A couple of bulletpoints that might (or might not!) be helpful. Of course, they're purely subjective.

• Caveat: I don't know him at all. I spoke with him once at a conference for about a couple of minutes. We've never corresponded.

• More than other researchers or presenters, he showcases and almost always promotes his own work and books. That's no hanging offense, but he does seem to do that more than most, to the degree that I personally find it a little irritating. He does seem very preoccupied with his own experiences, and almost always references them somehow in his interviews. Again, that can be understood, but it always seems to be there.

• So in a way, it seems to me he's processing his own experiences, in all he does. That sets him aside from most other researchers, who may actually be more balanced inasmuch as they have no personal axe to grind or personal unknowns to explain. (Richard Dolan, who openly admits to not having had any significant experiences of his own, may be a good example. In other fields, David Jacobs and David Paulides are similar.)

[ExomatrixTV]

Communion by Whitley Strieber

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EnPA2hALPLk

A New Vision of the Unexplained, Part One with Whitley Strieber:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TJH1XSzaVkk

Alien Abductions on Larry King CNN - Whitley Strieber - Part 1:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=w0HfikqH1-8

Alien Abductions on Larry King CNN - Whitley Strieber - Part 2:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wU9pv5H5ZnU

[Delight]

Posted by ashva (here)
I was wondering if I could solicit the good people of Project Avalon for their opinion of Whitley Strieber.

(From Bill):
A couple of bulletpoints that might (or might not!) be helpful. Of course, they're purely subjective.
Caveat: I don't know him at all. I spoke with him once at a conference for about a couple of minutes. We've never corresponded.
More than other researchers or presenters, he showcases and almost always promotes his own work and books. That's no hanging offense, but he does seem to do that more than most, to the degree that I personally find it a little irritating. He does seem very preoccupied with his own experiences, and almost always references them somehow in his interviews. Again, that can be understood, but it always seems to be there.
So in a way, it seems to me he's processing his own experiences, in all he does. That sets him aside from most other researchers, who may actually be more balanced inasmuch as they have no personal axe to grind or personal unknowns to explain. (Richard Dolan, who openly admits to not having had any significant experiences of his own, may be a good example. In another fields, David Jacobs and David Paulides are similar.)

Yes, he does seem like he is processing his own experience and subjective. It may seem irritating. He may seem preoccupied. The experiences he has had are echoed by others and the realm of mysterious anomalies IMO is near universal though many won't admit it (or would not at least when it threatens their life and livelihoods). It is interesting to me that "science" excludes subjective experience even if thousands of "reports" are the same. One just cannot depend on OFFICIAL and established objectivity (as verified by ACCEPTED double blind study) as the best gauge of truth IMO. Look at how many established "studies" cannot be replicated.

For instance in the vaccine hesitant community, MOST people are oblivious to even questioning the "rationality" of the program until they have a subjective vaccine reaction (of self, friends, family) and are then IGNORED by the scientific community. In fact, there is a concerted effort to gaslight the experience of negative effects. This is just an exaample of the "status quo" that is determined to be reality.

Another is the way that despite numerous video and eyewitness accounts of such incidents as 9/11, an official and authoritative narrative is continuously promoted and believed even long after further investigation which does lend "scientific" credence.

The truth of reality may well be much stranger than most will allow themselves to recall. Streiber has been a champion of contact (with various phenomenon) experience.

Is there some commonality concerning experiencers (of many paranormal kinds) who become comfortable with investigating FROM the experience and the ones who are "objective" and deny any possible relevance of the "subjective" as a investigatory tool. I think it it may be about a level of comfort with trust in one's own perception. It is VERY easy to persuade people to deny their own perceptions unless one has cultivated this inner assuarance IMO.

I have had experiences that I cannot explain (not like his or others so I can even catalog to established lists) which are not answerable by any "objective" measure. I trust that I was not "just imagining them". Also one cannot recall what is not remembered. IMO humans are very good at ignoring/forgetting what does not fit with "beliefs". I think people like Whitley Streiber are "reliable" about their own personal investigation. He is helpful IMO at pushing the boundaries concerning our own! YES The world is more strange than most will allow to be so and we are fenced by our beliefs. IMO the "behind the veil" is waiting to reveal itself MORE truly when we can be able to perceive because we have started opening up to subjectivity as a tool.

[Chester]

I don't mind he shares his journey of processing. Of course, maybe that's because I have done the same... much of it on this forum. From the POV of my small circle of loved ones, they are glad I have done said "processing."

It never ends... still doing more. Less publicly, more inwardly. Yes, Delight... the questions are getting more profound. It was just a few days ago I realized that. Then read the same from you, today, on a post of yours here.

[graciousb]

I do know him somewhat and can say my intuition says he is 100% sincere. He's transparent with his experiences, and has given into them instead of living in fear and dread. Considering what he's been through, since childhood (military /intelligence stuff as family is deep in that world), it amazes me he's not in a loony bin. I could never maintain my sanity having gone through what he has. Then being the object of national ridicule when he ''comes out''. However I think that experienced inured him to further fear of shame and he just embraces the weirdness and mystery now. What he goes through is on an almost constant basis, and often involves bystanders. So it's understandable to be somewhat absorbed in that, it's almost like when you're sick or injured, or in a crisis situation, and those conditions can tend to make us all self centered as it takes a lot just to get through life.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

My Perspective:

Strieber's first 2 books on ET's (Communion & Transformation) brought the subject main stream and gave many others the courage to come forward and begin a dialogue.

I did learn something from each of his books. Most importantly I realized "Hey, I'm not the only one"

Yes, he processes, but how else does one find meaning. There are some great researchers out there, but no matter how well you research, imo, it doesn't compare to an actual experience. Although reading both researcher and those who have experienced will give you a much broader perspective.

I do feel he often comes from a place of fear, so if you are prone to be fearful, his books might exacerbate that emotion in you.

The way I evaluate whether someone is worth my time is: Have I learned something. I definitely have learned some things from Strieber.

Here is a smichen of what I gleaned from his book "The Key": Note: I could probably have learned these same things from other sources, but I didn't. I got them from WS. No one has a patent on truth, so it's out there for any to access. Seems like I read this book in the late 90's or early 2000's. Truth grows, as we grow.

*The part of your brain that enables you to utilize electrons without drawing them into the particulate state was turned off. You became time-bound. You went to sleep, sinking into the time stream, which is where you remain trapped.

*Over the last age, that of Pisces, the elemental body was changed by the process of worshipping God. The body is not the same as it was two thousand years ago. Now the receptacle is larger. Now each of you can contain all of the universe. That was not true then. Now this is a species of sacred beings. But you are babies and still ignorant of your powers. This is the age of God within.

*The Zodiac is a calendar which we devised to measure your development.

*Christianity is the active side of the triad, Islam the passive, Buddhism the reconciling. Christianity seeks God, Islam surrenders to God, Buddhism finds God.

*A part of the electromagnetic field that fills the nervous system rests a few centimeters above the skin, outside of the body. This field is an organ just like the heart or brain. It is in quantum superposition, the electrons effectively everywhere in the universe and nowhere specific. It may be imprinted by information from anywhere and any time. With it, you may see other worlds, you may see the past and the future, you may haunt God.

[Mike]

to his credit, he has taken polygraph tests.

he also submitted to an epilepsy test, to rule that out as a source of his experiences.

it's all detailed here: https://www.unknowncountry.com/strie...ing-the-truth/

he also has several witnesses to high strangeness who have stayed in his cabin in upstate NY.

he has to get some credit for that.

but one can't help but be a little suspicious of a sci fi writer allegedly having ET contact. even if his experiences did actually occur, i imagine it would be a fight for him to not fill in the blanks with some dramatic fiction every now and then.

however, he was a successful writer before his alleged experiences, and wasn't desperate financially to my knowledge. he also had what appeared to be a very lovely wife (now deceased), who - had it all been nonsense - must have been a pretty good actor. she also claimed to have had some experiences along with Whitley.

and he has a son.. who also, along with Strieber's wife, had some very strange experiences (allegedly). if you're a family man, and you're going to build your entire life upon a lie, then you also force your family into a life of lies as well. it would take a very sick man to do that, and he doesn't appear to be that type of person, to me.

he's been to see the legendary Budd Hopkins, and was viewed as legitimate by him.

for what it's worth..

[ExomatrixTV]

I am very wary/cautious by default if some one loves to write horror stories for a living ... filling millions of (young) peoples minds with horrific "suggestions" just for 'fun' ... Knowing that this can create (hypnotic?) templates who are poisoned (semi-possessed) with it.

Whitley Strieber may well have real experiences, but you have to admit that certain vibes attract similar vibes ... we all can co-create certain portals drawing in these (interdimensional) beings due to our own state of mind and/or state of being.

cheers,
John Kuhles January, 6h 2020

[thepainterdoug]

I don't know him at all. And I don't know why, but something doesn't sit right with him for me. And I cant put my finger on it.

its intuitive, a hunch or whatever, but I don't listen to his videos or anything. Perhaps an air of above it all? mainly in it for himself ? I really don't know and just my opinion

[Mike]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I don't know him at all. And I don't know why, but something doesn't sit right with him for me. And I cant put my finger on it.

its intuitive, a hunch or whatever, but I don't listen to his videos or anything. Perhaps an air of above it all? mainly in it for himself ? I really don't know and just my opinion

I know why you'd say that Doug. I get it.

I view Strieber as quirky, eccentric, and somewhat pompous. In the early days he appeared to be kind of emotionally frazzled and prone to the occasional tantrum. I sense some instability as well, if you don't mind me going all jedi on you.

But I think those would be expected attributes of a traumatized contactee.

So for me, it's hard to separate his personality from his experiences. In other words, it's hard for me to tell if his personality affirms his alleged experiences or if it casts doubt on them. It can be viewed 2 ways I think

[Delight]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I don't know him at all. And I don't know why, but something doesn't sit right with him for me. And I cant put my finger on it.

its intuitive, a hunch or whatever, but I don't listen to his videos or anything. Perhaps an air of above it all? mainly in it for himself ? I really don't know and just my opinion

I know why you'd say that Doug. I get it.

I view Strieber as quirky, eccentric, and somewhat pompous. In the early days he appeared to be kind of emotionally frazzled and prone to the occasional tantrum. I sense some instability as well, if you don't mind me going all jedi on you.

But I think those would be expected attributes of a traumatized contactee.

So for me, it's hard to separate his personality from his experiences. In other words, it's hard for me to tell if his personality affirms his alleged experiences or if it casts doubt on them. It can be viewed 2 ways I think

I never met him and I have not read his horror material. In the year after his book Communion came out, a hard cover copy was actually put out for sale at the checkout in the local Grocery Store of all places. It attracted my husband's attention and he bought it. It was not attractive to me and I never read it until sometime later. But I wondered about Greg? His family was weird in a dark way and so had been my own family. It later became a very tragic story including my husband's early death form a brain tumor.

My first interest in Streiber was much later and I am going to stand here as an apologist not for him necessarily, but definitely for the process of "exhuming" darkness that has been hidden away (for fear of..... ). IMO he seems to be processing material that will either be examined and surfaced and released or will always keep us circling around itself. This can be managed in so many ways but IMO always has to be done on one's own or will return. IMO whatever one calls "shadow work" is bringing the monstrous (in our psyches) to the love it has been denied. If we deny it is within us, IMO it will fester.

Religion seems to believe (in its self perpetuating way) that our sins may be expunged by coins and others' priestly interventions are necessary. Nope IMO and moreover we HAVE to do it with God on our own and it becomes forgiving. Also when we allow forgiveness, it has to come though our hearts AND mind. IMO that stopped up heart block that so many describe healing comes when we allow love in after we accept mentally that we are deserving. IMO many may not have much "horror" and others more than enough for everyone but the amount is not the point IMO.

So, I think Whitley is part of something BIG about the shadow and the light and being outstandingly visible so we can feel it is OK to "go there".

[James]

Posted by Mike (here)
So for me, it's hard to separate his personality from his experiences. In other words, it's hard for me to tell if his personality affirms his alleged experiences or if it casts doubt on them. It can be viewed 2 ways I think

It's interesting to note how his personality and his experiences both are so similar. I'd use the same adjectives to describe Whitley as I would the sum of his experiences.

[ExomatrixTV]

• He Has Direct Contact With Aliens - Whitley Strieber - DEBRIEFED ep. 36:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jFqzrK8ZIjs

In this episode, Whitley Strieber joins us to explore The 4th Mind, his latest and perhaps most provocative book yet. We dive deep into consciousness, alien contact, and the mysterious Reddit EBO microbiologist leaks. From encounters with the unknown to the hidden dimensions of the mind, this conversation challenges everything you thought you knew.

[Open Minded Dude]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

• He Has Direct Contact With Aliens - Whitley Strieber - DEBRIEFED ep. 36:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jFqzrK8ZIjs

In this episode, Whitley Strieber joins us to explore The 4th Mind, his latest and perhaps most provocative book yet. We dive deep into consciousness, alien contact, and the mysterious Reddit EBO microbiologist leaks. From encounters with the unknown to the hidden dimensions of the mind, this conversation challenges everything you thought you knew.

As synchronicity has it, I just started on Strieber's stuff with his big 1980s hit "Communion". So far a very fascinating read.
Yes, as said above, it's also a bit dark and horror-genre like, but I feel there are also some lighter and more holistic aspects to it which I assume from his later books (just judging from the titles and descriptions I read about it).
When I am finished with "Communion" I will come back to this thread and watch this video and maybe further discussions as I do not want to influence my own perception of the entire book beforehand.

[Michel Leclerc]

I have followed him since the beginning. “Knew” that the screenplay/novel of “The Wolfen” – preceding the ”Communion” books – related an authentic yet idiosyncratic experience. But that was to be expected – and that is what I expect. I am a literary creator myself, my standards are quite strict – I am not interested in what Mr Average may live through – and Whitley Strieber responds to all my criteria. In Strieber, as in real creators, the border between autobiography and imagination cannot be drawn easily, and what is more, his is a quite unique way in which he weaves together, or relates, or theorises both aspects. What he has to say about the visitors has philosophical importance – and given that a scientific approach will always fall short of their reality, the visionary, metaphysical approach is, in my eyes, the more promising. Strieber is a modern-age mystic, theologian even, not a scientist.

Dolan and Strieber.. Richard Dolan is an historian, applying academic standards of historiography. In this he is brilliant on all accounts and may even be thé living conscience of ufo/uap historiography. Strieber is, as you say, Bill, an experiencer but he is a lot more than that. He devotes his life to trying to understand what happens to him and what that means as a human adventure, and fortunately for us, he is exceptionally gifted with both sensitivity and “thinking power” when he goes about it.

[TrumanCash]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

• He Has Direct Contact With Aliens - Whitley Strieber - DEBRIEFED ep. 36:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jFqzrK8ZIjs

In this episode, Whitley Strieber joins us to explore The 4th Mind, his latest and perhaps most provocative book yet. We dive deep into consciousness, alien contact, and the mysterious Reddit EBO microbiologist leaks. From encounters with the unknown to the hidden dimensions of the mind, this conversation challenges everything you thought you knew.

I think that the COMMUNION book cover triggered a lot of abductees back in 1987 and into the 90s. Although the picture is not entirely accurate (at least from my own experiences) it was close enough.

For example, one abductee (who didn't know he was an abductee) just wanted to remember his own past lives. The first incident that came up in our very first session was an abduction by Grays this lifetime.

I gave him the pseudonym "Jack Wylie" in my two books. His experiences led to my learning about the Anunnaki ETs and how they operate, that abductees are followed from lifetime to lifetime, and his present lifetime experience that led me to the DUMB into which I was also abducted in northcentral Washington State.