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    delete it all.
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    Quote Posted by Kamikaze (here)
    Quote Posted by edina (here)
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    Quote Posted by stal (here)
    the Qanon material is a 'spray-and-pray/shotgun method' limited hangout that contains some accurate material and some bogus. it was being used wholey irresponsibly for a time but they have made some small effort to tighten it up a bit over the last few months.
    It might be the guys behind the info have been changed or given help. It's only the last month I've been paying any particular attention to the Q stuff.

    I started to pay attention when "Q" hints started to appear in advertisements & trailers and such. You guys might not like the association it goes with going from those. Symbols of they eye and triangle...
    There was even a resent "Q is dead". It's "magic" unleashed now kind of hint in a series trailer.
    There was a thing I followed a while back where insiders might communicate through backchannels like movie trailers & advertisements. You want to pay attention to words used and timing in these things including some signals. A little vague but it gives some interesting thoughts and plausible hints. It ties in with the illuminati connection to to the Music Industry. They've kinda gone to related businesses or it's just a big insider joke.
    What your describing here Kamikaze I think would fit into the concept of the "Silent War"?

    It appears to be happening on many levels, at once.
    But the question becomes... Q = illuminati? Trump on their side. Weren't these guys the bad guys? Going from this you have to make the distinction that democrats are linked with Masons but illuminati is their opposition? Things just get out into strangeness.
    Masons = communists.
    Illuminati = capitalists.
    I think I see where your logic is going here?

    I'm not sure the equations are that simple.

    While I think the Q team, and whoever is working with them, have access to a great deal more information than the average person on the street, and even politicians, CEO's and other types of leaders, I don't consider them to be illuminati.

    It seems to me that in the very least they are opposed to the factions of the upper elite that traffick humans.

    Which in my mind means they oppose the illuminati, or that faction within the illuminati, rather than being equivalent to the illuminati.

    I also do not see the "silent war" dynamic as being between communists vs capitalists.

    At a certain level, all those people, regardless of the labels they wear, work together anyways.

    I see the Q movement as being for "humanity". It's "We, the People."

    And the opposition as being perhaps anti-humanity, or even anti-life. Maybe another term might be "nihilists"?

    Perhaps we are nothing to the people of that mind-set to the point that we are "beneath contempt."

    What you described above would be the "silent war" happening at the level of symbol, or symbology.

    Which affects people at other-than-conscious levels?

    It's energetic, too.

    Awareness helps.
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    Optics Are Important, Barr’s Delayed Testimony Confirmed, Traps Are Important - Episode 2097b

    Quote The [DS]/D's walked right into the latest trap, it was planned perfectly. Optics are very important, an outside prosecutor is looking into the Flynn case. Barr testimony delayed to educate the people and to allow for the declas. The Durham investigation is still ongoing and there are bigger slam dunks coming
    [CB] Panics, Judy Shelton Offered A Glimpse Of Draining The [CB] Swamp - Episode 2097a

    Quote Trump economic plan has accelerated, the people are going to receive the benefit and it will take effect this September, timing is everything. Trump is now taking the educational funds and returning them to the states, this is to allow those closest to the children to make choice on education not government. The Senate is questioning Judy Shelton and she just let them know that draining the [CB] swamp is not out of the question.
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    Slam Dunk - In Pursuit of Truth Presents - 2.15.20


    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...virus-pandemic

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...erence-in-2016

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    Quote 1) This week:

    -Chinese Telecommunications Conglomerate Huawei and Subsidiaries Charged in Racketeering Conspiracy and Conspiracy to Steal Trade Secrets

    -Jussie Smollett indicted with 6 charges for his Hoax of hate crimes.

    2) - Justice Department launches legal assault to roll back sanctuary cities

    -AG Barr announced that Giuliani had turned over to them investigative information about Ukraine corruption with former Administration.

    3) - -Trump goes on a twitter spree highlighting that nothing ever happened to the crimes Tony Podesta did.

    -Trump torches corrupt Judge Berman Jackson about injustices about Manafort but game HRC a pass.

    -Michael Avenatti found guilty of all charges today.

    4) -Roger Stone Sentencing evaluated by AG Barr as being outrageous (9 years? For lying to congress? Rape Is only 3~5 years) and the 4 corrupt Mueller investigators all resigned.

    5) - “I’m here to announce the indictment of Chinese military hackers… for breaking into the computer systems of the credit-reporting agency Equifax, and for stealing the sensitive personal information of nearly half of all American citizens.”—AG Barr

    6) -Trump WH fires Alexander Vindman

    -Trump WH fires Gordon Sondland

    -Trump NSC (national security council) removes 70 former Obama hold overs, with maybe even more coming.

    7) -Graham sent a letter to Attorney General William Barr on Friday asking that he make 17 officials, many of whom are identified only by title, available for interviews.

    8) -Durham Scrutinizing John Brennan’s Handling of Russian Interference in 2016

    9) - A.G. Barr Installs Outside Prosecutor to Review Case Against @GenFlynn.
    Amid turmoil in Roger Stone case & Refussal to Charge Andrew McCabe at the @USAO_DC, the A.G. has sent outside prosecutors to review politically sensitive cases.
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    and 10) Jessie Liu ...

    Jessie Liu resigns from Treasury after pulled nomination

    (CNN)The US attorney whose nomination for a top Treasury Department job was yanked because she ran the office that oversaw Roger Stone's prosecution has resigned, an administration official tells CNN.

    Jessie Liu, who previously headed the US attorney's office in Washington, submitted her resignation to the Treasury Department, effective Wednesday evening. She went to the Treasury Department with the intention of filling a Senate-confirmed position, which is no longer available after her nomination was withdrawn earlier Wednesday, the official said.

    The revoked nomination -- paired with the mass withdrawal of the career prosecutors from Stone's case on Tuesday -- punctuated a stunning cascade of developments set into motion on Monday.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    When someone who spent a year of his life writing a book about the Q movement expresses himself thusly, for Q to see, I find that his message reflects some of my own concerns and consideration.

    While I greatly value the amount of awakening info that his been spread by this operation and the involved communities, if it were to end up as only a 'Trump-run pacification operation' that would be tough ….

    Good countering comments at the link.


    Neon's counterpoint to 3867 (Justice) and CJTruth's thread linked to by Q:

    https://gab.com/NeonRevolt/posts/103666697612569736

    Quote At the danger of being called a concernfag/clown, I need to raise a counterpoint for Q to see, to QPost 3867.

    Everything listed in CJTruth's thread is the equivalent of a promise. Promises that future action is coming. Promises that justice will be delivered.

    Frankly, I think the Qmovement is burned out on promises. Many, many, many in this movement are just at the point of not caring any more - and worse, seeing Q as nothing more than a Trump-run pacification operation.

    Sundance recently said, over at the Conservative Tree House, that everything we've seen is little more than kabuki theater to prevent the people from boiling over - Washington protecting Washington. Because now, for instance with Graham, he requests to interview all these new witnesses, gets to put on a big show for weeks in the Senate, and over those weeks slowly people tune out, drop out, and move on with their lives, because hey, taxes are due on April 15th and we don't want to go to jail - meanwhile subversive commies and cabal loyalists get to run roughshod over the nation, and then get to make smiling TV appearances by 6 PM.

    Nothing in CJ's thread really encourages me. It's actually does the opposite - it exasperates me. So, for instance, when I see Trump tweeting about how nothing ever happened to Tony Podesta, I want to call up the White House and scream "BECAUSE YOU ASSHATS NEVER HELD HIM ACCOUNTABLE AND LET HIM GET AWAY!!" It's like, at the rate we're going, Roger Stone will get out of prison when he's 90 and decrepit, because >muh moves and countermoves.

    From our perspective, Q, it looks like the only real moves being made are being made by the Cabal, and that all the good guys are only ever reacting; never making any real proactive moves, never advancing the ball down the field.

    We need results and we need them soon, because our collective patience is wearing incredibly thin.

    Not trying to blackpill anyone here. Just desiring to see some real justice soon.

    EDIT: TLDR: Q, you often tell us to "Trust the Plan." But Trust is something that is earned, and I'm not sure you've given us reason to truly trust you. Sure, we know you're actually part of the Trump admin. But that doesn't mean you're not just pacifying the masses with heaps of promises and endlessly kicking the can down the road.




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    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    When someone who spent a year of his life writing a book about the Q movement expresses himself thusly, for Q to see, I find that his message reflects some of my own concerns and consideration.

    While I greatly value the amount of awakening info that his been spread by this operation and the involved communities, if it were to end up as only a 'Trump-run pacification operation' that would be tough ….

    Good countering comments at the link.


    Neon's counterpoint to 3867 (Justice) and CJTruth's thread linked to by Q:

    https://gab.com/NeonRevolt/posts/103666697612569736

    Quote At the danger of being called a concernfag/clown, I need to raise a counterpoint for Q to see, to QPost 3867.

    Everything listed in CJTruth's thread is the equivalent of a promise. Promises that future action is coming. Promises that justice will be delivered.

    Frankly, I think the Qmovement is burned out on promises. Many, many, many in this movement are just at the point of not caring any more - and worse, seeing Q as nothing more than a Trump-run pacification operation.

    Sundance recently said, over at the Conservative Tree House, that everything we've seen is little more than kabuki theater to prevent the people from boiling over - Washington protecting Washington. Because now, for instance with Graham, he requests to interview all these new witnesses, gets to put on a big show for weeks in the Senate, and over those weeks slowly people tune out, drop out, and move on with their lives, because hey, taxes are due on April 15th and we don't want to go to jail - meanwhile subversive commies and cabal loyalists get to run roughshod over the nation, and then get to make smiling TV appearances by 6 PM.

    Nothing in CJ's thread really encourages me. It's actually does the opposite - it exasperates me. So, for instance, when I see Trump tweeting about how nothing ever happened to Tony Podesta, I want to call up the White House and scream "BECAUSE YOU ASSHATS NEVER HELD HIM ACCOUNTABLE AND LET HIM GET AWAY!!" It's like, at the rate we're going, Roger Stone will get out of prison when he's 90 and decrepit, because >muh moves and countermoves.

    From our perspective, Q, it looks like the only real moves being made are being made by the Cabal, and that all the good guys are only ever reacting; never making any real proactive moves, never advancing the ball down the field.

    We need results and we need them soon, because our collective patience is wearing incredibly thin.

    Not trying to blackpill anyone here. Just desiring to see some real justice soon.

    EDIT: TLDR: Q, you often tell us to "Trust the Plan." But Trust is something that is earned, and I'm not sure you've given us reason to truly trust you. Sure, we know you're actually part of the Trump admin. But that doesn't mean you're not just pacifying the masses with heaps of promises and endlessly kicking the can down the road.




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    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-v...o-crowdstrike/

    Quote It’s the Server, Stupid; Do All Roads Lead Back to the DNC and CrowdStrike?

    …..

    I’ve just read a piece written by American Greatness’ Michael Thau in which he focuses on the Democrats’ refusal to give oxygen to any discussion of the hacking of the DNC server prior to the 2016 presidential election which he sees as the most “crucial” question we should be asking. “Why did the DNC repeatedly reject FBI and Department of Homeland Security requests to examine their supposedly hacked machines?”

    Whenever this issue is raised, Democrats assert that this issue has been settled. The Russians hacked the DNC’s servers to help Trump win the election. Case closed. Anyone who questions this conclusion is labeled as a conspiracy theorist. And they quickly pivot back to accusing Trump of whatever the charge du jour happens to be. Thau says this is “all misdirection and blatant lies.”

    ...
    and now Binney has made a sworn declaration

    https://nationalfile.com/nsa-whistle...cution-claims/

    Quote NSA Whistleblower Binney Says There Was No Russian Hack, as Stone Prosecution Claims
    Stone Prosecution Refuses to Talk to Whistleblower

    Bill Binney, a 32 year National Security Agency expert, has made a sworn declaration that Wiki-leaks did not receive stolen data from the Russian government, intrinsic metadata shows that the data in question was put on a thumb drive and physically taken from the DNC.

    National File received a copy of the three page sworn declaration made by leading intelligence community expert Binney for Roger Stone, in which he makes a convincing case that neither Russia nor any other foreign country hacked the DNC emails during the 2016 Presidential election.

    In the testimony, Binney, a 32-year National Security Agency expert, says that Wiki-leaks did not receive stolen data from the Russian government. Rather, intrinsic metadata shows that the data in questions was put on a thumb drive and physically taken from the DNC.


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    Can you imagine how we would feel if we didn't have Q posts?

    And each other?
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    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Can you imagine how we would feel if we didn't have Q posts?

    And each other?
    Hmm... Yes, that is a good question.

    Is there value in guidance and camaraderie? Certainly. And should it be appreciated? Certainly. But the answer to that question for me is that I would be quite alright. There is a feeling that I should not rely upon either.

    This is part of my cautiousness around the material and this thread. I can't seem to shake an underlying sense that those behind Q would prefer that people feel attached, and eagerly await next clues. Which is not to say that any clues given are of no value.

    However, a person cannot rightly say that they are thinking for themselves if there is a reliance on these clues. And even if there's not a reliance, if there's a desire for them, and a person simply follows where they point, is that person truly thinking for themselves, or are they thinking for others, in the directions that the other/s point, and without knowing and understanding why? Are we walking of our own volition, or are we dogs on leashes, happily traveling where the handler leads, feeling free to wander to and fro without realizing we're ultimately always going the direction that's set by the handler?

    And I am not suggesting anything of anyone here. I'm just sharing the thoughts that come to me as I follow all of this and assimilate it as best I can, trying to maintain a wide view of it all.
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    Quote Posted by ClearWater (here)
    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Can you imagine how we would feel if we didn't have Q posts?

    And each other?
    Hmm... Yes, that is a good question.

    Is there value in guidance and camaraderie? Certainly. And should it be appreciated? Certainly. But the answer to that question for me is that I would be quite alright. There is a feeling that I should not rely upon either.

    This is part of my cautiousness around the material and this thread. I can't seem to shake an underlying sense that those behind Q would prefer that people feel attached, and eagerly await next clues. Which is not to say that any clues given are of no value.

    However, a person cannot rightly say that they are thinking for themselves if there is a reliance on these clues. And even if there's not a reliance, if there's a desire for them, and a person simply follows where they point, is that person truly thinking for themselves, or are they thinking for others, in the directions that the other/s point, and without knowing and understanding why? Are we walking of our own volition, or are we dogs on leashes, happily traveling where the handler leads, feeling free to wander to and fro without realizing we're ultimately always going the direction that's set by the handler?

    And I am not suggesting anything of anyone here. I'm just sharing the thoughts that come to me as I follow all of this and assimilate it as best I can, trying to maintain a wide view of it all.
    These have come to us all I think. I know it's occurred to me a few times and this image of a horse being made to walk forward by a dangling carrot keeps popping into my head all the time with Q. Being that Q is a phenom since Trump was elected it simply has to be associated with him.That much is clear but I suppose it is possible that someone wants us to think this also. When I see the outside world I simply don't see it being changed much by Trump so any of the goings on under the table, the indictments and so on are all just wishful thinking in my opinion. Like the red wave that wasn't these indictments get released and it's a nothing burger. And then McCabe gets off. And of course the hopeful wait for the indictment for bigger charges all the while Hillary is getting set to be VP running mate with Bloomberg! So all those waiting on Hillary's indictment, like H.A. Goodman are probably fit to be tied by now! It doesn't look to me like Trump or Q have slowed the cartel by one bit. Don't forget not that long back Tony Podesta got off free and clear also.
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    Quote Posted by ClearWater (here)
    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Can you imagine how we would feel if we didn't have Q posts?

    And each other?
    Hmm... Yes, that is a good question.

    Is there value in guidance and camaraderie? Certainly. And should it be appreciated? Certainly. But the answer to that question for me is that I would be quite alright. There is a feeling that I should not rely upon either.

    This is part of my cautiousness around the material and this thread. I can't seem to shake an underlying sense that those behind Q would prefer that people feel attached, and eagerly await next clues. Which is not to say that any clues given are of no value.

    However, a person cannot rightly say that they are thinking for themselves if there is a reliance on these clues. And even if there's not a reliance, if there's a desire for them, and a person simply follows where they point, is that person truly thinking for themselves, or are they thinking for others, in the directions that the other/s point, and without knowing and understanding why? Are we walking of our own volition, or are we dogs on leashes, happily traveling where the handler leads, feeling free to wander to and fro without realizing we're ultimately always going the direction that's set by the handler?

    And I am not suggesting anything of anyone here. I'm just sharing the thoughts that come to me as I follow all of this and assimilate it as best I can, trying to maintain a wide view of it all.
    Thanks Clearwater for your heartfelt thoughtful comments. You raise great questions.

    For a little bit of context of my statement, I was thinking about the research of Bill Binney and VIPS indicating that the DNC was not a hack, but more likely a thumbdrive download.

    I was aware of this information when the story first broke, well before any Q posts, by about year, from memory.

    For more context, years ago, I met the editor for the english translation of the Ringing Cedars series. His name is Leonid Sharashkin.

    He tells a story of what he experienced in Russia regarding news media propaganda during the 90's, I think.
    This was before there was an Internet and social media like we have today.
    He said that people were becoming increasingly disgusted with the evenings news.
    Often to the point that when the news came on, they stepped outside to walk the dog or smoke a cigarette.
    At some point, people realized that a lot of other people were doing the same, and they started talking to each other.
    They started to learn that they weren't the only ones frustrated and disgusted.
    Leonid said that this had a huge influence among the people, because they were talking with each other.

    I see this happening in the Q movement, too.
    While I think it's important to think independently.
    (I hardly ever come to same conclusions of other people.)

    I think it's also important to not think in isolation.
    Howard Bloom in his book, Global Brain, speaks to how we are evolve/grow as both, individuals, and in context to the larger social body. Both are relevant, not an either/or type situation, but an and/and type scenario.

    When I made the above comment I was thinking of how people felt isolated before the Q posts, and discouraged, due in part to isolation.

    I had been saying for years that the media as a whole was not reflecting back to us our voice.
    For me, the Q movement is similar to what happened in Russia, except at a global level.
    It's people talking with each other about topics that are being actively discouraged/suppressed in media.

    I had just been thinking this morning about how "demoralization campaigns" are meant to discourage people.
    Discouraged people feel disempowered.
    And are less likely to take action.
    It's why flouride is in our water supply systems, ect...

    I can understand people's concerns and frustrations.
    But without the awareness that others also see what we see, we would likely be even more concerned, frustrated, and perhaps apathetic.

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I can say for myself, there is not a "reliance" on the clues.
    I agree with you in that without it, I would be quite alright.
    I was quite alright before Q came along.

    I'm naturally optimistic, almost annoyingly so.
    I've cultivated a tendency to look for the positive.
    In part, because I understand how our consciousness affects how things unfold in physical expression.
    And in part, because I understand the imbalance we have toward the negative, and I hope to balance that a bit.

    I'm not discouraged with how long things seem to be taking.
    To me, it's realistic that it would.
    The laws are ambiguous with lots of built in loop holes that lawyers can and will use to their advantage.
    A lot of details have be carefully covered to pull off what Q describes in the posts.
    And, if it can be pulled off, then people will want to ensure that there are reforms in those laws.
    There are some hints that this is also coming down the road?

    Also, I tend to come at information from a neutral observer stance.
    I look for independent collaboration, from several sources.
    But, people can also be manipulated in that way, too.

    Can people be objective in looking at the information?
    I think this is one of the more common complaints about the movement, that people lose their objectivity.

    My experience is that there are more people who are objective, than not, on the topics covered by Q.
    Especially people who read this thread, but also in the larger world.

    I read a blog post a few days ago, where a lifelong Democrat describes her journey to actually attending a Trump Rally.

    What she described in her conversations with people attending the rally is much like what I see around me.

    I think eyes open is healthy.
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    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Can you imagine how we would feel if we didn't have Q posts?

    And each other?
    These are two interesting questions.

    Regarding the first one - For one, I decided to try and look deeper into the Q phenomenon and this meant I had to start looking at the posts. Most of the posts are, for me, very difficult to understand. So I have tried to dive into the history and have already reached full frustration levels with regards to my goal of feeling I can make an informed decision as to what Q may be and more importantly who/what is behind Q.

    But what the Q posts do is they entice the interested into attempting to decipher what the posts may mean and this process does bring folks together. So I think the question that I have been asking about this is more along the lines of... "What are the common desires and hopes of those who the Q posts catalyze that results in the 'coming together' on forums, other types of social media, perhaps even a "Meetup" group here or there?"

    The second question is a very good one as well as the first. I think folks seek validation that their hopes and desires are something others also hope and desire... the comfort that they are not alone. Those are non-confrontational answers. But then there are other possible answers such as the sense one has that in order to achieve these hopes and desires, folks need to 'groupify' (as I call it) because the perceived opposition has several strong groupified fronts. Some of these fronts are out in the open and some remain behind the scenes yet wield their power through actions... actions where the goals are to minimize the potential impacts of movements like QAnon for example.

    And this is when you see what used to be the stalwarts of civil liberties suddenly exercising their might to stifle free speech and to censor the Q supporters. In my opinion, there can be no greater red flag than this. And it is happening everywhere we used to take for granted as places where one can have a voice.

    In such situations where these restrictions prevent the uninformed, the curious and those who seek additional information, but wish to do so in a more anonymous fashion, cannot.

    If they could, then there would be a fair and honest unfoldment of the reality where 'what ends up happening' occurs in a free and natural way. That censorship and outright restriction of free speech has become endemic, this suggests the former proponents of "let the people decide" who are now involved in imposing these restrictions know that if these restrictions are not imposed, the chances they achieve their actual goal - domination of the power positions needed to take full control over the future of humanity - are less likely to be realized.

    Additionally, what that demonstrates is that those who have chosen alignment with this ideology of restricting your rights to free speech and are justifying what they believe should be censored, actually believe what you think is wrong... morally wrong. And that you are deplorable and are justifiably marginalized.

    There's my answers to those two good questions. I hope they are read by every member here (noting that those are the only ones who can).
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    https://www.theblaze.com/news/doj-op...-official-says

    Quote DOJ opens news investigation into James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, former top DOJ official says

    'All they did was swapped out a loser case for starting an investigation...'

    Andrew Weissmann, a former top lawyer at the Justice Department who played a central role in Robert Mueller's investigation, said Friday the Justice Department has begun a new investigation into several former top FBI officials.

    Weissmann, speaking to MSNBC host Chuck Todd, said the Justice Department has swapped its "loser case" against Andrew McCabe — in which the DOJ declined to pursue charges against McCabe for lying to investigators — for a new case against former FBI Director James Comey, McCabe, and Peter Strzok.

    "All they did was swapped out a loser case for starting an investigation that is going to be of Comey, McCabe, Pete Strzok," Weissmann said, the Washington Examiner reported.

    The investigation is related to the DOJ's review of the Michael Flynn case, Weissmann explained.

    Last week, Attorney General William Barr appointed Jeffrey Jensen, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri, to investigate the circumstances of the Flynn case, including his interview with FBI investigators.

    NBC News reported that Jensen is "broadly" reviewing the case, suggesting latitude in the scope of his inquiry.

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    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)
    Quote Posted by ClearWater (here)
    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Can you imagine how we would feel if we didn't have Q posts?

    And each other?
    Hmm... Yes, that is a good question.

    Is there value in guidance and camaraderie? Certainly. And should it be appreciated? Certainly. But the answer to that question for me is that I would be quite alright. There is a feeling that I should not rely upon either.

    This is part of my cautiousness around the material and this thread. I can't seem to shake an underlying sense that those behind Q would prefer that people feel attached, and eagerly await next clues. Which is not to say that any clues given are of no value.

    However, a person cannot rightly say that they are thinking for themselves if there is a reliance on these clues. And even if there's not a reliance, if there's a desire for them, and a person simply follows where they point, is that person truly thinking for themselves, or are they thinking for others, in the directions that the other/s point, and without knowing and understanding why? Are we walking of our own volition, or are we dogs on leashes, happily traveling where the handler leads, feeling free to wander to and fro without realizing we're ultimately always going the direction that's set by the handler?

    And I am not suggesting anything of anyone here. I'm just sharing the thoughts that come to me as I follow all of this and assimilate it as best I can, trying to maintain a wide view of it all.
    These have come to us all I think. I know it's occurred to me a few times and this image of a horse being made to walk forward by a dangling carrot keeps popping into my head all the time with Q.
    I think you're not alone in this concern.

    This is an interesting image that you describe. It sounds much like how intuition would work for a visual person.
    I feel it's important for each person to trust their own intuition.
    What would the dangling carrot represent to you?

    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)
    Being that Q is a phenom since Trump was elected it simply has to be associated with him.
    This phenom started almost a year after Trump was elected. And from what I've read, especially from the earlier Q posts, the situation of cleaning up the corruption, and especially the human trafficking aspect, (worldwide) was planned to happen whether Trump won the election, or not.

    It's just it would have been more difficult if HRC had won the election. Maybe the military aspect involved a plan to move forward in a different way.

    Which would have likely triggered a hot civil war, rather the cold civil war we now experiencing.

    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)
    That much is clear but I suppose it is possible that someone wants us to think this also. When I see the outside world I simply don't see it being changed much by Trump so any of the goings on under the table, the indictments and so on are all just wishful thinking in my opinion. Like the red wave that wasn't these indictments get released and it's a nothing burger. And then McCabe gets off. And of course the hopeful wait for the indictment for bigger charges all the while Hillary is getting set to be VP running mate with Bloomberg! So all those waiting on Hillary's indictment, like H.A. Goodman are probably fit to be tied by now! It doesn't look to me like Trump or Q have slowed the cartel by one bit. Don't forget not that long back Tony Podesta got off free and clear also.
    These are all understandable observations.

    When I look at this situation, I think of how much public awareness of so many issues have increased over the past few years.

    That's not all from Q posts, but also from Trump tweets, from almost in-your-face type actions of people like Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler and from more and more people tuning out mainstream media and look for information on their own.

    And I suspect the higher density energy field our solar system is moving through right now also plays into this process.

    There's definitely been a greater increase in awareness about human trafficking, but, much more work needs to be done with that topic.

    I feel public awareness and public support are essential in pulling this off.

    The human trafficking EO's are real. The six-fold increase in human trafficking/porn/child porn arrests are real. But don't get much media coverage.

    The significant increase in resignations are also real. And also do not get much media coverage.

    There has been at least one unsealed indictment that was discussed earlier in this thread. It's just not happening with the high visibility people that we are aware of, yet.

    The people we want to see arrested, and whoever they work for, are fighting back.

    Their media proxies in both mainstream and alternative media write things that discourage people. Often it's misleading, sometimes it's out right lies.

    It remains to be seen if the DNC will be able to pull a Bloomberg/HRC ticket?

    I'm not convinced the DNC will be able to pull off in 2020 what it did in 2016.

    And HRC is not as popular now as she was then. (Just from a purely political viewpoint.)

    I'm hoping that Bernie gets the nomination fairly. I think the nation needs to have an open conversation about socialism. His nomination would bring something that I feel is festering under the surface into open awareness.

    I'm sure there would be a lot of narrative controlling going on... from lots of directions.

    All opportunities to develop greater discernment, imo.

    From a soul-growth perspective it's a very rich environment.

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    On a more personal note: Ratszinger, I hope you're doing well. If I remember correctly, you've probably had a few more treatments? Still keep you in healing, loving prayer, every day.
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    When I was writing the above I was thinking about the video's that Deux Corbeaux shared here.

    They really are well-presented and I think make for a good introduction, especially to the media propaganda, and human trafficking issues.

    Thanks again to Deux Corbeaux for sharing them.

    (Sidenote: I'm inclined to think that JFK Jr is dead, but Janet does make a compelling case in that last part.)
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    just a little something to tuck away in the side pocket of the mind...
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    Barr, Moves and Countermoves, Trump Sends Message To The [DS], Victory Lap Taken - Episode 2098b

    Quote The patriots have trapped the [CB], they have only one option left, print. This will not help the economy, they are now boxed in and exposed. The patriots are positioning themselves. The [DS]/Ds thought they had Barr but he out maneuvered them, optics are important. The patriots have been positioning everything to reach the end goal, this is very important because we only have one shot at this. The declas will happen, truth and transparency are the only way forward.
    Patriots Just Boxed In The [CB], Did You Catch The Economic Trap- Episode 2098a

    Quote The [CB] has shifted away from the trade wars to explain why their system is imploding, they have no moved to the event that they are pushing, but this has failed before it began, watch what happens next. The patriots have trapped the [CB], they have only one option left, print. This will not help the economy, they are now boxed in and exposed.
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