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    Source: Science

    China’s aggressive measures have slowed the coronavirus. They may not work in other countries.




    Other countries can take lessons from China’s handling of the COVID-19 epidemic, the World Health Organization’s Bruce Aylward told reporters in Beijing on 24 January.



    Chinese hospitals overflowing with COVID-19 patients a few weeks ago now have empty beds. Trials of experimental drugs are having difficulty enrolling enough eligible patients. And the number of new cases reported each day has plummeted the past few weeks.

    These are some of the startling observations in a report released on 28 February from a mission organized by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Chinese government that allowed 13 foreigners to join 12 Chinese scientists on a tour of five cities in China to study the state of the COVID-19 epidemic and the effectiveness of the country’s response. The findings surprised several of the visiting scientists. “I thought there was no way those numbers could be real,” says epidemiologist Tim Eckmanns of the Robert Koch Institute, who was part of the mission.

    But the report is unequivocal. “China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic,” it says. “This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real.”

    The question now is whether the world can take lessons from China’s apparent success—and whether the massive lockdowns and electronic surveillance measures imposed by an authoritarian government would work in other countries. “When you spend 20, 30 years in this business it’s like, ‘Seriously, you’re going to try and change that with those tactics?’” says Bruce Aylward, a Canadian WHO epidemiologist who led the international team and briefed journalists about its findings in Beijing and Geneva last week. “Hundreds of thousands of people in China did not get COVID-19 because of this aggressive response.”

    “This report poses difficult questions for all countries currently considering their response to COVID-19,” says Steven Riley, an epidemiologist at Imperial College London. “The joint mission was highly productive and gave a unique insight into China’s efforts to stem the virus from spread within mainland China and globally,” adds Lawrence Gostin, a global health law scholar at Georgetown University. But Gostin warns against applying the model elsewhere. “I think there are very good reasons for countries to hesitate using these kinds of extreme measures.”

    There’s also uncertainty about what the virus, dubbed SARS-CoV-2, will do in China after the country inevitably lifts some of its strictest control measures and restarts its economy. COVID-19 cases may well increase again.

    The report comes at a critical time in what many epidemiologists now consider a pandemic. Just this past week, the number of affected countries shot up from 29 to 61. Several countries have discovered that they already have community spread of the virus—as opposed to cases only in travelers from affected areas or people who were in direct contact with them—and the numbers of reported cases are growing exponentially.

    The opposite has happened in China. On 10 February, when the advance team of the WHO-China Joint Mission began its work, China reported 2478 new cases. Two weeks later, when the foreign exerts packed their bags, that number had dropped to 409 cases. (Yesterday, China reported only 206 new cases, and the rest of the world combined had almost nine times that number.) The epidemic in China appears to have peaked in late January, according to the report.



    Ambitious, agile, and aggressive

    The team began in Beijing and then split into two groups that, all told, traveled to Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Chengdu, and the hardest hit city, Wuhan. They visited hospitals, laboratories, companies, wet markets selling live animals, train stations, and local government offices. “Everywhere you went, anyone you spoke to, there was a sense of responsibility and collective action, and there’s war footing to get things done,” Aylward says.

    The group also reviewed the massive data set that Chinese scientists have compiled. (The country still accounts for more than 90% of the global total of the 90,000 confirmed cases.) They learned that about 80% of infected people had mild to moderate disease, 13.8% had severe symptoms, and 6.1% had life-threatening episodes of respiratory failure, septic shock, or organ failure. The case fatality rate was highest for people over age 80 (21.9%), and people who had heart disease, diabetes, or hypertension. Fever and dry cough were the most common symptoms. Surprisingly, only 4.8% of infected people had runny noses. Children made up a mere 2.4% of the cases, and almost none was severely ill. For the mild and moderate cases, it took 2 weeks on average to recover.

    A critical unknown is how many mild or asymptomatic cases occur. If large numbers of infections are below the radar, that complicates attempts to isolate infectious people and slow spread of the virus. But on the positive side, if the virus causes few, if any, symptoms in many infected people, the current estimated case fatality rate is too high. (The report says that rate varies greatly, from 5.8% in Wuhan, whose health system was overwhelmed, to 0.7% in other regions.)

    To get at this question, the report notes that so-called fever clinics in Guangdong province screened approximately 320,000 people for COVID-19 and only found 0.14% of them to be positive. “That was really interesting, because we were hoping and maybe expecting to see a large burden of mild and asymptomatic cases,” says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “That piece of data suggests that’s not happening, which would imply that the case fatality risk might be more or less as we currently have.” But Guangdong province was not a heavily affected area, so it is not clear whether the same holds in Hubei province, which was the hardest hit, Rivers cautions.

    Much of the report focuses on understanding how China achieved what many public health experts thought was impossible: containing the spread of a widely circulating respiratory virus. “China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile, and aggressive disease containment effort in history,” the report notes.

    The most dramatic—and controversial—measure was the lockdown of Wuhan and nearby cities in Hubei province, which has put at least 50 million people under a mandatory quarantine since 23 January. That has “effectively prevented further exportation of infected individuals to the rest of the country,” the report concludes. In other regions of mainland China, people voluntarily quarantined and were monitored by appointed leaders in neighborhoods.

    Chinese authorities also built two dedicated hospitals in Wuhan in just over 1 week. Health care workers from all over China were sent to the outbreak’s center. The government launched an unprecedented effort to trace contacts of confirmed cases. In Wuhan alone, more than 1800 teams of five or more people traced tens of thousands of contacts.

    Aggressive “social distancing” measures implemented in the entire country included canceling sporting events and shuttering theaters. Schools extended breaks that began in mid-January for the Lunar New Year. Many businesses closed shop. Anyone who went outdoors had to wear a mask.

    Two widely used mobile phone apps, AliPay and WeChat—which in recent years have replaced cash in China—helped enforce the restrictions, because they allow the government to keep track of people’s movements and even stop people with confirmed infections from traveling. “Every person has sort of a traffic light system,” says mission member Gabriel Leung, dean of the Li Ka Shing Faculty of Medicine at the University of Hong Kong. Color codes on mobile phones—in which green, yellow, or red designate a person’s health status—let guards at train stations and other checkpoints know who to let through.

    “As a consequence of all of these measures, public life is very reduced,” the report notes. But the measures worked. In the end, infected people rarely spread the virus to anyone but members of their own household, Leung says. Once all the people in an apartment or home were exposed, the virus had nowhere else to go and chains of transmission ended. “That’s how the epidemic truly came under control,” Leung says. In sum, he says, there was a combination of “good old social distancing and quarantining very effectively done because of that on-the-ground machinery at the neighborhood level, facilitated by AI [artificial intelligence] big data.”



    Deep commitment to collective action

    How feasible these kinds of stringent measures are in other countries is debatable. “China is unique in that it has a political system that can gain public compliance with extreme measures,” Gostin says. “But its use of social control and intrusive surveillance are not a good model for other countries.” The country also has an extraordinary ability to do labor-intensive, large-scale projects quickly, says Jeremy Konyndyk, a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development: “No one else in the world really can do what China just did.”

    Nor should they, says lawyer Alexandra Phelan, a China specialist at Georgetown’s Center for Global Health Science and Security. “Whether it works is not the only measure of whether something is a good public health control measure,” Phelan says. “There are plenty of things that would work to stop an outbreak that we would consider abhorrent in a just and free society.”

    The report does mention some areas where China needs to improve, including the need “to more clearly communicate key data and developments internationally.” But it is mum on the coercive nature of its control measures and the toll they have exacted. “The one thing that’s completely glossed over is the whole human rights dimension,” says Devi Sridhar, an expert on global public health at the University of Edinburgh. Instead, the report praises the “deep commitment of the Chinese people to collective action in the face of this common threat.”

    “To me, as somebody who has spent a lot of time in China, it comes across as incredibly naïve—and if not naïve, then willfully blind to some of the approaches being taken,” Phelan says. Singapore and Hong Kong may be better examples to follow, Konyndyk says: “There has been a similar degree of rigor and discipline but applied in a much less draconian manner.”

    The report doesn’t mention other downsides of China’s strategy, says Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health, who wonders what impact it had on, say, the treatment of cancer or HIV patients. “I think it’s important when evaluating the impact of these approaches to consider secondary, tertiary consequences,” Nuzzo says.

    And even China’s massive efforts may still turn out to have only temporarily slowed the epidemic. “There’s no question they suppressed the outbreak,” says Mike Osterholm, head of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities. “That’s like suppressing a forest fire, but not putting it out. It’ll come roaring right back.” But that, too, may teach the world new lessons, Riley says. “We now have the opportunity to see how China manages a possible resurgence of COVID-19,” he says.

    Aylward stresses that China’s successes so far should give other countries confidence that they can get a jump on COVID-19. “We’re getting new reports daily of new outbreaks in new areas, and people have a sense of, ‘Oh, we can’t do anything,’ and people are arguing is it a pandemic or not,” Aylward says. “Well, sorry. There are really practical things you can do to be ready to be able to respond to this, and that’s where the focus will need to be.”

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I've just had some much needed clarity on feelings that have been alive in me, but too mixed up in fear and anxiety for me too see clearly. Apologies if it's a bit rambling, but want to share anyway.


    This coronavirus event is potentially a great watershed moment in the concious evolution of humanity. One where we collectivelly and individually break free from the shackles of fear, greed, delusion, ignorance and all the other ways in which we are held back in an illusional reality of duality and seperation (from self, each other, source). Ways and patterns wich serve to do nothing, exept from keeping us trapped, and preventing us from becoming who and what we are truly capable of being.


    It's all coming out in the wash.


    Order Out of Chaos is not just an NWO mantra to be used for controlling and manipulating purposes - rather it is a universal law wherby the potential of stuck energy is, through upheaval and destruction of old ways, realeased and transmuted into it's full splendour.


    Infinite potential realized.


    For the past two months, iv'e been stuck in a story and pattern of blaming external sources for everything to do with this virus (corruption, greed, lies etc. of the 'elite').


    I can now see that this is simply a manifestation of my own inner turmoil and battles.


    It's a powerful way of deflecting responsibility for the need to look deep within myself, to find deeper truths, and to shed what no longer serves me.


    Crisis equals great healing potential.


    This is now what I can see the coronavirus, and all the assciated 'stories' as being (potentially) about - an event of massive emotional turmoil, globally, that has the potential for deep, deep, spiritual healing and transformation. It's kind of like radical honesty and enquiry is being forced upon us!


    Isn't it possible that this event is a manifestation of the concious universe reacting to a concious cry for help from all of humanity, anmimals, plants and mother earth herself?


    As above, so below.


    Ps. I'm in no way trying to take away from the seriousness of the difficuilties people the world over are now facing, i just found it pretty helpful to see things from a different perspective.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Here's some helpful descriptions of covid-19 infection and its prevention that was sent to me from our Taiwanese relatives:

    Covid-19 infection
    1. It will first infect the throat, so the throat will have the dry sore throat feeling which will last for 3 to 4 days.
    2. Then the virus will blend into the nasal fluid and drips into the trachea and enter the lungs, causing pneumonia. This process will take 5 to 6 days.
    3. With pneumonia, comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You will feel like you are drowning in water. It's important to go seek immediate medical attention if you feel like this.

    prevention:
    1. The most common way of getting infected is by touching things in public, so you must wash your hands frequently. The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 mins, but a lot can happen in those 5-10 mins (you can rub your eyes or pick your nose unwittingly).
    2. Aside from washing your hands frequently, you can gargle with Betadine Sore Throat Gargle to eliminate or minimize the germs while they are still in your throat (before dripping down to your lungs).
    3. Take extra care and drink plenty of water.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Agape (here)

    I’ll quote this amazing statistics again as I was almost sure I’m correct but the numbers shocked me too:

    https://who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffic-injuries

    Quote Approximately 1.35 million people die each year as a result of traffic crashes
    That’s about 3,287 deaths a day globally from car crashes.
    Yes, I'm sure that's correct. I wasn't shocked in the least. But, you see, this isn't the point at all.

    A death from a car crash is a death. There are no hospital resources taken up at any point.

    Injuries from a car crash might be broken bones, or concussion. Even then, relatively speaking, very little hospital resource is taken up.

    Let's do a thought experiment about Covid-19. Imagine it was never fatal. Just not ever.

    But 20% of cases, before they recovered fully, would still need intensive hospital care for maybe 2-3 weeks, to make sure they did NOT die.

    That still implodes the hospital system: no beds left for heart attacks, cancer, strokes, or even car accidents. And if the thing spreads widely, even if everyone recovers fully, you have a large chunk of the population not going to work for several weeks.

    And if that happens all over the world, supply chains are broken whether a million people die, or no-one at all. And then the very volatile and sensitive stock market implodes as well. And that affects everyone, with the possibility of a global recession, widespread job losses, and all the rest.

    To take a grisly analogy, this is why land mines are designed to maim and cripple... NOT kill. That's because an injured soldier takes up far more resources than a dead one. And that's a far greater burden on a military opponent. That's all very carefully thought out by weapons designers.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I've posted a few stories on the CoVid-19 outbreak at Gray's Economy. Feel free to take a look. Today's post looks at the economics on the mortality rate of the virus versus China manufacturing shut down.
    When in doubt, do the next right thing.
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    Quote Posted by mgray (here)
    I've posted a few stories on the CoVid-19 outbreak at Gray's Economy. Feel free to take a look. Today's post looks at the economics on the mortality rate of the virus versus China manufacturing shut down.
    My own focus today is on the US healthcare system. That could easily come crashing down. No options look good.

    1) If concerned potential patients are going to be charged thousands of dollars for a negative test, or tens of thousands of dollars for a positive test and then to be formally quarantined (maybe against their voluntary consent), then one couldn't imagine a better incentive for people NOT to report symptoms and just stay at home hoping for the best, while well-meaning friends and family get co-infected doing their best to care from them in a non-hospital setting.

    That's an epidemiological disaster. And would result in a huge number of deaths at home. That alone could bring down the Trump government.

    2) OR, to limit the spread and ensure people really do get treated, whether they have health insurance or not, all treatment and other associated costs could be waived. Then there's a healthcare financial crisis which could even parallel the 2008 mortgage crisis.

    It'd need an injection of tens, maybe hundreds, of billions of dollars — somehow. (For the near-impossible mechanics of this, see the very excellent 2011 HBO movie, Too Big To Fail.) And that's when the economy would by that stage be on its knees. That could bring down the government, too.

    3) OR, people could be given heathcare loans, at super-favorable rates, maybe even interest free. But then all the defaults would follow, leading to (2) above. There'd be millions of government-hating poor people who'd never intend to pay anything back, right from the start.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Death in this case does not seem to be just an unfortunate event, it can become and is expected to unfold as a whole process.
    The story continues and we are forced or not to follow it, but in the meantime the idea that we can't hold our breath still covers a lot.
    Here, in the meantime, we are dying, as before, of heart disease, cancer, stroke, kidney and lung disease, septicemia, even diabetes and especially the common flu and no one does no case about that.
    Every year, there are a number of deaths due to the common flu that is almost fixed, but unofficial death data rolls behind the health system as usual.
    No one counts the street people who have no houses, who died of frost over the winter, nobody mentions the elderly who die because they do not allow the cost of treatments, or young people, like me(having a medical condition of three years) who have worked enough contributing to the health insurance system but if you get sick you can no longer work and if you do not have a job you are not insured and if you are not insured, you treat yourself "at home".
    For the world health organization, it seems natural to estimate and even predict the numbers of cancer cases for children under the age of 14 in Romania, today there are over 6000 diagnosed cases.

    The role of the Romanian peasant in the culture and life in the village, through the food from his own household is filled every day by simple people, but they have found a solution for this as well: bird flu or swine flu.
    The constitution reserves among others the right to property, but in case of "swine flu" a "force" placed between the police and the military order, come and take animals without testing them and without any right of appeal, only to decimate the support of healthy and natural food and, for us to buy the unhealthy food in supermarkets, a food that "prepares" weak immunity for the field of a viral disaster.

    In my opinion, and talking about human rights as opposed to the institution (which protects us), an institution like many others of force can, in case of major force (exceptional situation, unpredictable, extremely inevitable), make considerable mistakes even on the people it says it protects.
    I have seen the character of the force approach on people and it bothers me more than the problem of the virus itself, it is not easy to see how easily people "get rid of" people.
    I make no reference to anything, but for me democracy and determinism in the negative driving force in today's society at already known levels, is another way of saying: "And what have I gained from this(?)"

    In my opinion. a very slow death is more devastating, but to see masses of people pushed, from the back with the force is sad.

    Of course, I want, as a fortuitous case, to exempt us from this virus, it is important that the antidote, to be the correct one to cure definitely not to treat symptoms, but meanwhile, civil liability is not optional.
    And all this to be just human.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Ben Macdonald (here)
    I've just had some much needed clarity on feelings that have been alive in me, but too mixed up in fear and anxiety for me too see clearly. Apologies if it's a bit rambling, but want to share anyway.


    This coronavirus event is potentially a great watershed moment in the concious evolution of humanity. One where we collectivelly and individually break free from the shackles of fear, greed, delusion, ignorance and all the other ways in which we are held back in an illusional reality of duality and seperation (from self, each other, source). Ways and patterns wich serve to do nothing, exept from keeping us trapped, and preventing us from becoming who and what we are truly capable of being.


    It's all coming out in the wash.


    Order Out of Chaos is not just an NWO mantra to be used for controlling and manipulating purposes - rather it is a universal law wherby the potential of stuck energy is, through upheaval and destruction of old ways, realeased and transmuted into it's full splendour.


    Infinite potential realized.


    For the past two months, iv'e been stuck in a story and pattern of blaming external sources for everything to do with this virus (corruption, greed, lies etc. of the 'elite').


    I can now see that this is simply a manifestation of my own inner turmoil and battles.


    It's a powerful way of deflecting responsibility for the need to look deep within myself, to find deeper truths, and to shed what no longer serves me.


    Crisis equals great healing potential.


    This is now what I can see the coronavirus, and all the assciated 'stories' as being (potentially) about - an event of massive emotional turmoil, globally, that has the potential for deep, deep, spiritual healing and transformation. It's kind of like radical honesty and enquiry is being forced upon us!


    Isn't it possible that this event is a manifestation of the concious universe reacting to a concious cry for help from all of humanity, anmimals, plants and mother earth herself?


    As above, so below.


    Ps. I'm in no way trying to take away from the seriousness of the difficulties people the world over are now facing, i just found it pretty helpful to see things from a different perspective.
    Ben, thank you so much for this post!!! I was just thinking about the fact that this situation can be seen as an opportunity. It's an opportunity to stay in the moment, savor every small detail of beauty and goodness and to do the right thing as events present themselves. It gives us a choice of living in anger and fear or love and acceptance. Having delved into the fear I could see that my thinking and reasoning was diminished. It is quite amazing how making a choice to choose to accept this situation (that does not mean to do nothing!) and to come from a perspective of love just flips the reality and clears the mind of useless burdens that will do nothing more than to cause agitation and generate more fear.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    The ADV China guys expose Chinese lies about the Wuhan flu. They say there are accurate numbers coming from Singapore, Taiwan & S. Korea. The numbers coming out of China are fiction. They say the stores in California are being stripped of masks and sanitizer by Chinese "parallel traders," for sale in China.

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    Quote Posted by Ben Macdonald (here)
    I've just had some much needed clarity on feelings that have been alive in me, but too mixed up in fear and anxiety for me too see clearly. Apologies if it's a bit rambling, but want to share anyway.


    This coronavirus event is potentially a great watershed moment in the concious evolution of humanity. One where we collectivelly and individually break free from the shackles of fear, greed, delusion, ignorance and all the other ways in which we are held back in an illusional reality of duality and seperation (from self, each other, source). Ways and patterns wich serve to do nothing, exept from keeping us trapped, and preventing us from becoming who and what we are truly capable of being.


    It's all coming out in the wash.


    Order Out of Chaos is not just an NWO mantra to be used for controlling and manipulating purposes - rather it is a universal law wherby the potential of stuck energy is, through upheaval and destruction of old ways, realeased and transmuted into it's full splendour.


    Infinite potential realized.


    For the past two months, iv'e been stuck in a story and pattern of blaming external sources for everything to do with this virus (corruption, greed, lies etc. of the 'elite').


    I can now see that this is simply a manifestation of my own inner turmoil and battles.


    It's a powerful way of deflecting responsibility for the need to look deep within myself, to find deeper truths, and to shed what no longer serves me.


    Crisis equals great healing potential.


    This is now what I can see the coronavirus, and all the assciated 'stories' as being (potentially) about - an event of massive emotional turmoil, globally, that has the potential for deep, deep, spiritual healing and transformation. It's kind of like radical honesty and enquiry is being forced upon us!


    Isn't it possible that this event is a manifestation of the concious universe reacting to a concious cry for help from all of humanity, anmimals, plants and mother earth herself?


    As above, so below.


    Ps. I'm in no way trying to take away from the seriousness of the difficulties people the world over are now facing, i just found it pretty helpful to see things from a different perspective.
    Thank you. I recently came to compare the virus to invasive plant species. One thing I've learned in all my herbal prepping is that many invasive species actually hold the answer to problem diseases in the area they invade (not just for Covid-19 but for other disease, like for instance, lyme). Of course invasives can be harmful to wildlife and existing ecosystems, but they are not altogether evil and do serve beneficial purpose.

    I think the comparison is valid. This virus might cause some upheaval and yes, death, in our current "ecosystem" but it could also be bringing some necessary changes, like you say, order out of chaos.
    The world is changed... I feel it in the water... I feel it in the earth... I smell it in the air...
    Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it.

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    Quote Posted by Ben Macdonald (here)
    Isn't it possible that this event is a manifestation of the conscious universe reacting to a conscious cry for help from all of humanity, animals, plants and mother earth herself?
    Yes. Although personally I've mainly been focused here on grounded, fact-based reporting, metaphysically this thought has occurred to me quite a number of times.

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    The virus has arrived in my small town.
    If any weird behaviour among the residents emerges I will let you know.

    There are cases in other parts of the UK, but what strikes me as odd is that there does not seem to be any significant number in our busiest city.

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    Quote Posted by snoman (here)
    The virus has arrived in my small town.
    If any weird behaviour among the residents emerges I will let you know.

    There are cases in other parts of the UK, but what strikes me as odd is that there does not seem to be any significant number in our busiest city.
    Stay safe and take Vitamin C!

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    Quote Posted by Geophyz (here)
    Quote Posted by snoman (here)
    The virus has arrived in my small town.
    If any weird behaviour among the residents emerges I will let you know.

    There are cases in other parts of the UK, but what strikes me as odd is that there does not seem to be any significant number in our busiest city.
    Stay safe and take Vitamin C!
    Thank you.
    There are countless age old tried and tested preventatives and remedies to give the human body a better chance of avoiding viruses... vit C, elderberry extract, chicken bone soup... herbs... a whole manuscript of shields. The washing of hands and being conscious of mitigating the risks.... so....

    the things people would be better to do are the things that have always been better to do

    whatever the outcome of this episode, I can guarantee that worldwide over the coming years less people will be off work with colds and flu. smile.

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    not intended for general view.
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    News, Corona Virus Conspiracy? Vinny Eastwood:


    ⚠️ What if people are NOT dying from the virus but are killed by Chinese authorities to "prevent spreading of a virus".


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    They want you rather "scientifically responsible" dead than "unscientifically" still alive! ... Hilarious & insane mainstream logic.

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    Quote Posted by Tangri (here)
    Chinese version of virus genotyping artifacts are different than Iranian version. Governments (Iranian and other western countries) still using "coronavirus outbreak" to make connection.
    And maybe the Italian version, too. Both are spreading much too easily, and the CFR (case fatality rate) looks like it might be higher.

    Quote Posted by Tangri (here)
    Coronavirus is relatively weak virus other then deathly viruses, its containment (biosafety level 2-3) is relatively easy.
    Yes, but it depends where it came from. All kinds of vectors are possible. Containment in a lab is only "easy" if all the protocols are followed. Pathogens escape from labs all the time.... it's really pretty scary.

    See my post above (also quoted below) using a land mine analogy. A virus doesn't have to be deadly (like Smallpox, Anthrax, Ebola or Lassa fever) to collapse a healthcare system, or bring society to a halt.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    Let's do a thought experiment about Covid-19. Imagine it was never fatal. Just not ever.

    But 20% of cases, before they recovered fully, would still need intensive hospital care for maybe 2-3 weeks, to make sure they did NOT die.

    That still implodes the hospital system: no beds left for heart attacks, cancer, strokes, or even car accidents. And if the thing spreads widely, even if everyone recovers fully, you have a large chunk of the population not going to work for several weeks.

    And if that happens all over the world, supply chains are broken whether a million people die, or no-one at all. And then the very volatile and sensitive stock market implodes as well. And that affects everyone, with the possibility of a global recession, widespread job losses, and all the rest.

    To take a grisly analogy, this is why land mines are designed to maim and cripple... NOT kill. That's because an injured soldier takes up far more resources than a dead one. And that's a far greater burden on a military opponent. That's all very carefully thought out by weapons designers.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Ben Macdonald (here)
    Isn't it possible that this event is a manifestation of the conscious universe reacting to a conscious cry for help from all of humanity, animals, plants and mother earth herself?
    Yes. Although personally I've mainly been focused here on grounded, fact-based reporting, metaphysically this thought has occurred to me quite a number of times.
    yes, there are a relation on karmic wheel (apologize if not a better name), whose symbol was pointed (trigger) in a direct solar opposition about last 21-22 jan precisely. It not fits about flu, but an another contagious virus (as symbolic process) ..

    Quote an epidemic (of mumps)

    the basic idea is the power to spread individual crises in a collective

    This must be interpreted on two levels without escaping the questions posed by its original elaboration. What are the implications of an epidemic? And why Mumps?

    The broad sense of an epidemic is that when an individual is infected with some type of disease, it can transmit that disease to a large number of people in its environment, and in some cases to the entire globe. So, here we deal with a process that involves the whole society, which evidently points to the fact that everyone can be potentially affected. Therefore, all individuals consciously or unconsciously cannot prevent their involvement in these critical situations.

    Why then a mumps epidemic?

    There is an implication of a common and childhood disease, but which can have very serious consequences for the adult man who contracts it, as it affects not only the lymph glands especially in the neck, but also the testicles, and can even cause permanent infertility.

    In that sense, a man is just a little child, perhaps an future initiated or an infant of the spirit. The relationship between the disease and the sexual glands is characteristic of this process, because entry into the realm of the conscious and individualized mind can affect (sexual) potency, whether in terms of over-stimulation and irritation, or in terms of deliberate ascetic deprivation.

    What Started as an Individual Issue Becomes Collective (metaphysically)
    .
    clarification note:

    every star & planet that passes through this points of the ecliptic (symbolically) stimulates the karmic process above in some degree of consciousness
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    CoronaVirus - Wuhan Opened 20 New Mobile Crematoriums To Burn Infected People Alive 🔥


    Harrowing how they both act goofy all the time (acting like teenagers) :/ but some of the info is definitely worth listing!
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    More on China pollution and the coronavirus cover story
    by Jon Rappoport
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    "First, I want to mention 5G technology, which, according to reports, has been widely deployed in Wuhan, “the epicenter of the China epidemic.” Readers have sent me links to articles and videos that highlight human damage caused by 5G.

    I’m aware of this damage. I’ve written about it before, and, I revisited it in a piece I wrote a few days ago titled 5G and the China epidemic. What is creating illness and death in China is not an either-or situation. In my past research on epidemics, I’ve found several causes of disease in every “epidemic”—causes which have nothing to do with a virus.

    In Wuhan, in addition to air pollution, we could certainly be looking at 5G, and other situations of damage—for example, water pollution, heavy chemical spraying.

    I’ve also received communications asking about “all the other cases of the coronavirus” occurring in countries where air pollution is not a significant factor. To answer these questions, I urge reading all my articles on the so-called “China epidemic” (archive here). I’ve covered how “cases of the disease” are “discovered”—through entirely misleading and worthless diagnostic tests. It’s always been easy to invent case numbers using these tests.

    All right. A reader has sent me a significant piece published, in 2005, in the British medical journal, The Lancet. It emphasizes the destructive nature of air pollution in Chinese cities. Here are several excerpts.

    The Lancet, November 19, 2005; CHINA: THE AIR POLLUTION CAPITAL OF THE WORLD, by Jonathan Watt:

    “Over 400,000 premature deaths a year in China are blamed on air pollution levels…”

    “According to the European Space Agency, Beijing and its neighbouring north-east Chinese provinces have the world’s worst levels of nitrogen dioxide, which can cause fatal damage to the lungs.” [The so-called “coronavirus disease” is pneumonia.]

    “At a recent seminar, Zhang Lijun, deputy director of the environmental protection agency, said that pollution levels could more than quadruple within 15 years unless the country slows the rise in energy consumption and car use.” [15 years later, it’s a “coronavirus epidemic.” How convenient.]

    “A recently published study, conducted by the Chinese Academy on Environmental Planning, found that a third of China’s urban residents were exposed to harmful levels of pollution. More than 100 million people live in cities where the air reaches levels considered ‘very dangerous’.”

    “The academy blamed air pollution for 411,000 [yearly] premature deaths—mostly from lung and heart-related diseases.”

    “’It’s a conservative figure. The real figure could be higher’, Wang Jin’nan, a chief engineer of the academy, told the AFP news agency. ‘These figures all exist, but the local governments do not want us to reveal them.’ Asked for an interview with The Lancet, academy officials declined, saying the matter was ‘too sensitive’.”

    “The political implications of worsening pollution are becoming more apparent. Although it does not publish figures on the link between pollution and health, the [Chinese] government admits that respiratory diseases are the leading cause of death in China…” [Pneumonia is called THE “coronavirus” disease.]

    “Such health concerns, particularly regarding cancer and birth defects thought to be caused by chemical factories, have been a major factor in a recent wave of protests. Among the latest was the demonstration last month by hundreds of people living in a Beijing suburb against plans to build a factory in their neighbourhood. But similar outbreaks [protests] are occurring nationwide on an almost weekly basis.” [All the protests are gone now; key cities are locked down.]

    “This situation is not unique to Beijing. Frequent dirty grey skies are taken for granted in Shanghai, Wuhan, Chongqing, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Hong Kong…Water has suffered the same fate as air. Increasingly likely to be exploited for dams and dumpsites, it is estimated that three-quarters of the rivers running through Chinese cities are so polluted that they cannot be used for drinking or fishing.”

    “In 2008, it is quite possible that this authoritarian government will restrict traffic and close factories to ensure blue skies for the month of the Olympics. But it will only be a temporary fix. Unless more drastic measures are taken soon, the health costs of pollution will be paid in China for generations to come.”

    I can think of a more drastic measure. Claim a new virus is killing people, lock down cities and quarantine 100 million people, and shove all the news about deadly pollution far, far into the background."
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