The face mask discussion

[indigopete]

Amazingly, some people without Physics PHDs managed to reach a similar conclusion...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=i6KdsMJTLCU

...I should not prejudge. He may well have one

[Angels1981]

I have a mask but I cant breathe in it. I dont like it. The guard shout ed at me to not get on the train but I did anyway. I feel surpressed and an idiot wearing one. Its pink cherries aka pop one in the mouth. Lol
Anyways, uk seems more leniant at the moment.

[O Donna]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Only a few know about the Side Effects

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=65XVhF56cUQ

@ 416

"Beware. Something is not right."

I've been saying this over and over again.

Inslee in Washington state announces statewide mask mandate.

https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-med...e-mask-mandate

I have read in detail the reasoning behind mask mandates etc. (30+ years in hospital based education and work experience)

Echoing what was said in the video... with the stand out message...

BEWARE. SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.

[onawah]

Take action for mandatory masks
From Stand for Health Freedom's email update
7/3/20
https://standforhealthfreedom.com/ac...r-your-health/

"If your mask is hurting you, do you still feel compelled to wear it? In many areas, people no longer have a true choice, as mask-wearing has become mandatory. A measure intended to keep communities safe is causing extreme division, infringing on individual’s constitutional rights and putting them at risk. Your state and local officials need to hear from you.

Though CDC’s policy guidance encourages the use of face masks, there is substantial evidence showing that masks are harmful and a lack of evidence showing they are effective in preventing the spread of coronavirus. Studies show that wearing a face covering reduces blood and tissue oxygenation — which can be deadly — while increasing carbon dioxide levels. Mask-wearing can also increase the risk of infection and the spread of viral illness, hinder detoxification that occurs via exhalation, impair the immune system and cause many other ailments, both physical and emotional. Moreover, some masks have been found to contain known carcinogens, which put people at risk from inhaling toxic chemicals and having them come into contact with their skin.

Lawsuits are now being filed throughout the country to challenge mandatory masks. Despite evidence of harm and questionable evidence of benefit, fall 2020 school guidelines across the country are calling for mandatory masks. Public school systems (e.g., San Diego, California) are concerned that mask requirements in the classroom will spark even more legal battles.

It’s unethical and unconstitutional to force healthy citizens to abide by measures that can result in physical and emotional harm and that impinge on their ability to move freely throughout society without discrimination. For those with deeply held religious beliefs, mask mandates violate their ability to abide by natural law and follow their convictions to walk in faith, not fear. As such, the decision to wear a mask is a highly personal one and should not be universally mandated; measures that are meant to protect the community as a whole are ineffective if they hurt individuals in that community. Please send your your state and local officials a pre-drafted email and tweet now and urge them to make sure that mask-wearing is voluntary, not mandatory.

CLICK TO ACT https://standforhealthfreedom.com/ac...r-your-health/
In solidarity,

The Stand for Health Freedom Team "

[indigopete]

Even the mainstream media's jumped on board the "no face mask" bandwaggon.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EAO-4bOk3-s

[justntime2learn]

Posted by onawah (here)
Take action for mandatory masks
From Stand for Health Freedom's email update
7/3/20
https://standforhealthfreedom.com/ac...r-your-health/

"If your mask is hurting you, do you still feel compelled to wear it? In many areas, people no longer have a true choice, as mask-wearing has become mandatory. A measure intended to keep communities safe is causing extreme division, infringing on individual’s constitutional rights and putting them at risk. Your state and local officials need to hear from you.

Though CDC’s policy guidance encourages the use of face masks, there is substantial evidence showing that masks are harmful and a lack of evidence showing they are effective in preventing the spread of coronavirus. Studies show that wearing a face covering reduces blood and tissue oxygenation — which can be deadly — while increasing carbon dioxide levels. Mask-wearing can also increase the risk of infection and the spread of viral illness, hinder detoxification that occurs via exhalation, impair the immune system and cause many other ailments, both physical and emotional. Moreover, some masks have been found to contain known carcinogens, which put people at risk from inhaling toxic chemicals and having them come into contact with their skin.

Lawsuits are now being filed throughout the country to challenge mandatory masks. Despite evidence of harm and questionable evidence of benefit, fall 2020 school guidelines across the country are calling for mandatory masks. Public school systems (e.g., San Diego, California) are concerned that mask requirements in the classroom will spark even more legal battles.

It’s unethical and unconstitutional to force healthy citizens to abide by measures that can result in physical and emotional harm and that impinge on their ability to move freely throughout society without discrimination. For those with deeply held religious beliefs, mask mandates violate their ability to abide by natural law and follow their convictions to walk in faith, not fear. As such, the decision to wear a mask is a highly personal one and should not be universally mandated; measures that are meant to protect the community as a whole are ineffective if they hurt individuals in that community. Please send your your state and local officials a pre-drafted email and tweet now and urge them to make sure that mask-wearing is voluntary, not mandatory.

CLICK TO ACT https://standforhealthfreedom.com/ac...r-your-health/
In solidarity,

The Stand for Health Freedom Team "

Blessings Natalie,

Here's the response I received from senator wyden.

Charles,

I disagree. You can voluntarily stay away from others without a mask and choose not to potentially infect them. However, the health experts have opined that wearing a mask is the best way to protect people in public places. It's common sense. Think about and respect those around you, especially those who are elderly or have comprised systems. It doesn't take much to wear a simple mask and it may save someones life.

Lee Beyer
State Senator, Dist. 6
Central Lane & Linn Counties
From: Charles Wyatt <myvoice@oneclickpolitics.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 9:36 AM
To: Sen Beyer <Sen.LeeBeyer@oregonlegislature.gov>
Subject: I urge you to make sure masks are voluntary, not mandatory

Re: I urge you to make sure masks are voluntary, not mandatory

Dear Senator Beyer,

I am writing to urge you to do your part to make sure that mask-wearing is voluntary, not mandatory.

[justntime2learn]

I have communicated with my state representative, Sherrie Sprenger, for about 10 years so we do have a history. I just emailed her.

Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 7:40 PM
Subject: Fwd: I urge you to make sure masks are voluntary, not mandatory
To: Rep Sprenger <rep.sherriesprenger@state.or.us>


Hi Sherrie,

What are your thoughts on this?

I've always valued your opinion.

Sincerely, Charles Wyatt

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Sen Beyer <Sen.LeeBeyer@oregonlegislature.gov>
Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: I urge you to make sure masks are voluntary, not mandatory

[Bluegreen]

Posted by indigopete (here)
Even the mainstream media's jumped on board the "no face mask" bandwagon.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EAO-4bOk3-s

Ever notice how often you see the word "Fear" on your television screen or headlines?

Ever notice the word "Panic" is embedded within the word "Pandemic"?

Oops! Almost missed that word "Hysteria"! It just slipped into my subconscious mind, undetected!

[justntime2learn]

Posted by Bluegreen (here)

Posted by indigopete (here)
Even the mainstream media's jumped on board the "no face mask" bandwagon.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EAO-4bOk3-s

Ever notice how often you see the word "Fear" on your television screen or headlines?

Ever notice the word "Panic" is embedded within the word "Pandemic"?

Oops! Almost missed that word "Hysteria"! It just slipped into my subconscious mind, undetected!

Yeah, I've noticed

[AutumnW]

Face masks protect others from you and should be mandatory in small enclosed spaces. The potency of the virus appears to be diminishing so hopefully nobody will have to worry about it in the near future! They do feel creepy when it's hot and humid. That's for sure!

[onawah]

Actually all the real science says the opposite.
Only in a surgical setting or if someone is caring for someone who is very ill should surgical masks be worn.
That's well documented in many article and videos posted in this thread.
If governments make masks mandatory, it's just one more civil right citizens will have lost, at least in the US where such a law would be unconstitutional.

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Face masks protect others from you and should be mandatory in small enclosed spaces. The potency of the virus appears to be diminishing so hopefully nobody will have to worry about it in the near future! They do feel creepy when it's hot and humid. That's for sure!

[AutumnW]

Nope...scientists who have studied the subject thoroughly say surgical masks are of great benefit to the public at large, at this current time. This is now indisputable fact, regardless of the flawed analysis of wannabe experts or so called experts.

It's a medical issue and if you feel it encroaches on your civil liberties that is not only your problem but a problem for everyone who has to inhale your unfiltered exhalations.

[greybeard]

In Scotland we will be forced to wear face masks in all shops.
I have asked the Dr for a letter of exemption on medical grounds --they are getting back to me.
Chris

[Angels1981]

Omg i wonder If England wil follow suit. Im getting fed up of it. I got on a train with one in my hand as I cant breathe and the guard was shouting get off the train. I put it on when i sat down but ill avoid Any government order unless my decision is to think its reasonable.

[AutumnW]

Find another way to travel if you can't wear a mask, Angel. They can feel pretty suffocating, true, and that can be uncomfortable...but mandatory masks aren't so much a human rights issue, as a health and safety one. Are you asthmatic?

[greybeard]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Find another way to travel if you can't wear a mask, Angel. They can feel pretty suffocating, true, and that can be uncomfortable...but mandatory masks aren't so much a human rights issue, as a health and safety one. Are you asthmatic?

Health and safety is a human rights issue.
If I am forced to wear one against my free will then that affects my mental health.
Depression etc.
My free will counts for nothing.
Chris

[indigopete]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Nope...scientists who have studied the subject thoroughly say surgical masks are of great benefit to the public at large, at this current time. This is now indisputable fact.

I very much doubt this is true and the assertion that it isn't disputed is certainly false.

You're probably alluding to the kind of studies which show how projected "droplets" are diminished under UV light etc. These are a great little piece of propaganda which add to the general "circus" of frenzied hand waving, but put into context that's all they are.

We're talking about perfectly healthy, well people for a start who've generally had the right to breath fresh air for around 250,000 years. For the most part they also posses more than one brain cell between their ears and understand how to mitigate risk for themselves if they happen to be vulnerable or symptomatically infected. If you want to have recourse to legislation that forces everyone into unhealthy habits in order to address the odd extremely rare event then I'd say that's an ideological perspective, not a medical one. It's the type of perspective that leads very quickly to complete tyranny if widely adopted.

That's the real reason for these types of policies - social conditioning. In other words it doesn't actually matter whether "science" says masks reduce spread or not, what matters is that people accept that they have no say in the matter even if they didn't ask to be "protected" in that particular way.

This type of logic pervades all of Covid-19 so called "science" which is about as scientific as the "new normal" is normal, It generally works along these lines:

1. I tested positive for blue eyes today using a new type of test called "mirror"
2. I've heard there are some sick people around who also tested positive for blue eyes
3. I need to self-isolate for 14 days and wear a mask on trains
4. If we can get more of these "mirror" type tests out to everybody we might find we have a pandemic on our hands

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wearing a mask is exactly what they want so that the second wave will devastate our society. Lack of oxygen to the system caused by wearing a mask, proven 'indisputably' to reduce oxygen intake by over 10%, acidifies the blood and lowers overall immunity...

[greybeard]

This is an update where masks are mentioned
If you are in UK please donate to this
Chris
More on the link I just pasted a small section.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/th...irus-act-2020/

Fighting Against the Masks!

We can confirm that we are also challenging the legality of being forced to wear masks/ face coverings on public transport and now even in shops in Scotland. It is extremely harmful to health and has no scientific evidence of effectiveness. This is just another form of mind control and to create constant fear and worry in the public. Further, it is against our Human Rights and we should not accept this or any other of the ludicrous measures this Government of Occupation brings in.

This represents a complete 'U turn' on policy by the Government who has announced on many occassions that mask wearing would not be required. It is also against advice given by SAGE and documented in the SAGE minutes and reports.

Even the WHO does not advise mandatory mask wearing by healthy members of the public:

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/...=1&isAllowed=y

They have a very long list of problems and risks caused by mask wearing. However, the Government even ignores them in their determination to dictate and to control us.

As well as acting illegally in bringing in a law that is very harmful to health, the Transport Minister has even acted illegally in his method of making this law. This is because he brought it in as a Statutory Instrument under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, which has been used by this Government as an Enabling Act and a way to bypass Human Rights Legislation, Parliamentary scrutiny, and a requirement for 'emergency' legislation to be both proportionate and temporary. Twelve months with a review before 6 months can hardly be described as temporary!

Further, he announced it on 4th June and then waited until 14th June to actually legislate to avoid having to lay it before Parliament. He then falsely used section 45R of the 1984 Act to claim that he had to pass it urgently.

[justntime2learn]

My response to senator beyer's response.

Dear Senator Beyer,

Thank you so much for your opinion, I know you are a busy man, and I appreciate your time. Could you offer some links to support your position?

Surely you know the CDC does not require face masks. Do you have credentials that outweigh the CDC? Do you believe that the United States Governors have the authority to mandate such an action?

Sincerely, Charles Wyatt

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:37 PM Sen Beyer <Sen.LeeBeyer@oregonlegislature.gov> wrote:
Charles,

I disagree. You can voluntarily stay away from others without a mask and choose not to potentially infect them. However, the health experts have opined that wearing a mask is the best way to protect people in public places. It's common sense. Think about and respect those around you, especially those who are elderly or have comprised systems. It doesn't take much to wear a simple mask and it may save someones life.

Lee Beyer
State Senator, Dist. 6
Central Lane & Linn Counties