What's wrong with me? I've shunned all fear porn about the killer virus

[Delight]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by TomKat (here)
Maybe this pandemic will go down in history as the invisible pandemic. I don't know of anybody who got covid. Seems if it were real it would be more visible, eh?

A number of Avalon members reported having had it (or were as sure as they could be that they had, or had it in their close family or friends). That includes Hervé, Elainie, Tam, thepainterdoug, norman, Sarah Rainsong, Frank V, Lilybee8, sunwings, WhiteFeather, Ayt, Delight, Patient, graciousb, TargeT, Gracy May, and I think a few others.

• Avalon members who may have Covid-19

And — start in at 4:20 in Chris Martenson's most recent video, below. A recorded video interview follows, with the woman's husband.

This is probably exceptional (we hope!), but it's very real.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qhyEBIpaIaM

I am not sure I had the "virus" and I am going to avoid testing. I stopped listening to all of the reports (Martenson included).

This year a new form of psyop has come to my attention: "Alice in Wonderland" torture. We are driven mad when we as cogitating human beings encounter an avalanche of conflicting, nonsensical, contradicting info and demands.

This has to be one of the most deviously dangerous mental tortures ever deployed...

[greybeard]

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)

So, Dave, has anybody ever accused you of being anti-social?

The biggest problem I see with the world today is most people being anti-social.

I think we should be more pro-social!

We need more socializing not social distancing!

Maybe there is something wrong with me?

Agree Dave.
Nothing wrong with you
The seeming difference may be the lack of fear of dying.
Most fear stems from that.
If you remove that main fear then --catching a virus --dying or not catching it and dying of something else is not a concern -- an acceptance of the inevitable -- we all die sometime.

Lets face the facts -- the media has hyped this beyond belief -- the majority of death were of people over the age of 75 or with a life threatening illness, an underlying cause --died with the virus that has no valid test for.
Most had very mild symptoms-- lasted about 14 days
So the world has gone into lockdown over a fairly normal seasonal event.

People unfortunately believe the non stop media fear propaganda.
Belief is very powerful.
The Aborigines believed if the bone was pointed at them they would die - not true but they did die.
How many have become ill out of fear?
Chris

[pueblo]

Agree with Greybeard's post above 100%....once you remove the fear of death there is 'something wrong with you' in the eyes of the world.

[Feritciva]

i just gave a seminar to a class of 21 people last week. yes we were in a hotel seminar room & no, none of us had any mask. some of my health profesional colleagues called this as "ignorance" , i just said "please keep your cult-beliefs away from me, thanks".

in one point i asked how many in this class know a person who had covid, relatives, friends, neighbours etc? One person raised his hand, his neighboor had covid diagnosis. then i asked ok, how many of you lost a relative, friend or someone from the family to cancer? All 22 of us - myself included - raised hands.

so if rejecting & questioning this cultish cognitive dissonance, this hypocrisy, this insincerity that took over all the world in less than 3 months is being wrong - then i am happy to be labeled as "wrong".

[greybeard]

I have posted on the thread regarding Autism several times
The number of male children getting this in the USA alone is epidemic proportion -- I see no media recognition of the severity of this.
I wont quote the figures for this as they come from videos therefore I cant find a print out.

This is for UK
Key Facts

One in 59 children in the UK

https://uk.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear...res+for+autism

So all the media focus is on the virus --- Why?
Slowly its coming round to talk about the effects of lockdown on health and job loss.
Those without fear are fairly rare.
Chris

[Ewan]

In a mad world the sane are bound to question their sanity.

[Chris Gilbert]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by TomKat (here)
Maybe this pandemic will go down in history as the invisible pandemic. I don't know of anybody who got covid. Seems if it were real it would be more visible, eh?

A number of Avalon members reported having had it (or were as sure as they could be that they had, or had it in their close family or friends). That includes Hervé, Elainie, Tam, thepainterdoug, norman, Sarah Rainsong, Frank V, Lilybee8, sunwings, WhiteFeather, Ayt, Delight, Patient, graciousb, TargeT, Gracy May, and I think a few others.

Also along with those who have had it, some like me have interacted with covid patients up close. At my hospital job in Michigan, back during the months of April-May when we had the highest number of patients listed as being confirmed cases, I actually had to help several security guards stack bodies on top of each other in the hospital morgue. It was OVERFLOWING. It's been the first time I've had to do that in nearly two decades. I looked up our records to see if there was a net increase in deaths at the hospital, or if the funeral homes just weren't picking up bodies due to the lockdown. I found that the number of bodies taken to the morgue on a given month was around 30-50, while in April/May it was 100+.

There's certainly areas where the mainstream narrative can be criticized, and I do believe this crisis is being seized on as a means to enact covert elite plans. However, the viewpoint that gets bandied about on here and elsewhere that the virus is fake or not a big deal is just plain nonsense in my experience. I also find the anti-mask reaction to being required to wear a mask in a store for 20 minutes rather silly (I have to wear them for 8-16 hours straight at work, and I have yet to die from CO2 poisoning).

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
However, the viewpoint that gets bandied about on here and elsewhere that the virus is fake or not a big deal is just plain nonsense in my experience.

Yes, it is.

[Satori]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
However, the viewpoint that gets bandied about on here and elsewhere that the virus is fake or not a big deal is just plain nonsense in my experience.

Yes, it is.

I’m not in the camp that thinks SARS Covid 2 is fake, but in my opinion the so-called disease Covid 19 is “not a big deal” and many fake claims are being made about it.

Masks are not effective or necessary outside a medical setting, such as a hospital. My 90 year old mother has not contracted Covid 19 disease and she does not wear a mask, nor do we wear one around her. In my opinion, at least in the state of New Mexico, masks are a political tool, not a health-based and medically necessary measure.

The current governor of New Mexico spent 3 or 4 terms in Congress before she was sent back here a few years ago to run for governor. Thus, she knew the likes of people like Pelosi while in Congress. I have no doubt whatsoever that she has been assured a position in the Democrat administration if the anti-constitutional, criminal rats can wrestle, steal or take the Whitehouse from the Republican Party and get Trump out.

We are being forced in New Mexico by draconian, illegal and anti-constitutional executive orders and administrative regulations to wear masks. I’d say about half the people do. I do not, except when I have no choice in my profession. So far I’ve only had to do that once, for a short time. I have to set aside my personal convictions in favor of my clients’ interests. But, I believe our governor, Michelle Lujan Grisham is acting from political motivations, not health care motivations. I do not stand alone in this conviction. (If you visit NM you must now quarantine yourself for 14 days. Welcome to NM.)

If things really were as they would have us believe, there would be bodies everywhere and we’d all be bringing out our dead.

[greybeard]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
However, the viewpoint that gets bandied about on here and elsewhere that the virus is fake or not a big deal is just plain nonsense in my experience.

Yes, it is.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dr-anthony...145943235.html

"Asked in a Monday interview with "Fox and Friends" about Trump's claim that 99% of coronavirus cases were "harmless," White House chief of staff Mark Meadows said, "When you start to look at the stats and all the numbers that we have, the amount of testing that we have, the vast majority of people are safe from this."

"Outside of comorbidities" such as diabetes or hypertension, he added, the "risks are extremely low and the president’s right with that, and the facts and the statistics back us up there."

A large proportion of the American population has comorbidities that put them at a higher risk for severe coronavirus cases. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says more than 100 million Americans live with diabetes or prediabetes, and nearly half of Americans have high blood pressure. The prevalence of such conditions is higher in racial minority groups, which have been disproportionately affected by the coronavirus."


In this video the Dr states that he has been taken to task (reported to authorities) that this is no worse that the seasonal flu and has given comparison to previous years deaths, perhaps more info in other videos by him.
The number of Drs who have had u tube videos deleted because they said similar gives a big clue.

The Flu is not of no consequence large numbers of people die from it, particularly those with health issues.
Chris

Please disregard the last parts of this video

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fiecPHpBTcI

[TomKat]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
However, the viewpoint that gets bandied about on here and elsewhere that the virus is fake or not a big deal is just plain nonsense in my experience.

Yes, it is.

Even if you're right, it's certainly not a pandemic. I know of nobody who died from it. Nobody I know knows of anybody who died from it. Where are the bodies except on TV?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
However, the viewpoint that gets bandied about on here and elsewhere that the virus is fake or not a big deal is just plain nonsense in my experience.

Yes, it is.

Even if you're right, it's certainly not a pandemic. I know of nobody who died from it. Nobody I know knows of anybody who died from it. Where are the bodies except on TV?

More of a problem may be the increasing evidence that a significant number of those who contract it (and are recorded as "recovered") then have lasting damage.

[thepainterdoug]

As everyone, I have been thru every thought on feeling this thing C19. But it just doesn't sit right with me. My intuition tells me its a con, with the cover of some truth, to carry the necessary fear.
If we started testing for how many 4 leaf clovers there are in a field per square yard, we may all realize there are thousands more than we thought.

But in my world , I don't know anyone directly that has died from this. Don't know a friend or any of their familes and surrounding world . It's always a friend of a friend etc . And with that, we dont really know what it was.

And my biggest observation is, with the MSMedia always seeking any story of people of notoriety, , how come i have not heard one celebrity, sports figure, writer, dancer, musician composer, politician , journalist , person of interest that has died of this directly . Not car accident, yearly influenza, infection in the hospital with C19. Just C 19

And of course, they have pooled all of this under the one C 19 heading. i have an agency friend who told me this years influenza is a tough one. so the usual 100 thou and more will die from it. That leaves yearly pnemonia and C 19 to make up the rest. Run the numbers, it just doesn't work . To shut the world down?? "March in step", now that makes sense.

[TomKat]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
However, the viewpoint that gets bandied about on here and elsewhere that the virus is fake or not a big deal is just plain nonsense in my experience.

Yes, it is.

Even if you're right, it's certainly not a pandemic. I know of nobody who died from it. Nobody I know knows of anybody who died from it. Where are the bodies except on TV?

More of a problem may be the increasing evidence that a significant number of those who contract it (and are recorded as "recovered") then have lasting damage.

You know this first-hand or from media reports?
Maybe it's all a big drill. If they can shut down the world with a fake pandemic, they can send the world to war against a fake alien invasion. Now we know what that will look like, don't we? A few choice effects on video from the military, morgues ELSEWHERE filling up, stories of people who didn't believe it but wish they had listened...

[TomKat]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
As everyone, I have been thru every thought on feeling this thing C19. But it just doesn't sit right with me. My intuition tells me its a con, with the cover of some truth, to carry the necessary fear.
If we started testing for how many 4 leaf clovers there are in a field per square yard, we may all realize there are thousands more than we thought.

But in my world , I don't know anyone directly that has died from this. Don't know a friend or any of their familes and surrounding world . It's always a friend of a friend etc . And with that, we dont really know what it was.

And my biggest observation is, with the MSMedia always seeking any story of people of notoriety, , how come i have not heard one celebrity, sports figure, writer, dancer, musician composer, politician , journalist , person of interest that has died of this directly . Not car accident, yearly influenza, infection in the hospital with C19. Just C 19

And of course, they have pooled all of this under the one C 19 heading. i have an agency friend who told me this years influenza is a tough one. so the usual 100 thou and more will die from it. That leaves yearly pnemonia and C 19 to make up the rest. Run the numbers, it just doesn't work . To shut the world down?? "March in step", now that makes sense.

It's just a drill. It's all happening elsewhere and we can't travel to check it out for ourselves without a 2-week quarantine. But you can go to your local hospital and see if the emergency room is full. And if it's not, ignore the reports from elsewhere, because it's not part of your reality.

[greybeard]

I cant remember date or find the link but it was officially decided in UK it is not a pandemic --itno longer fulfils the requirements for that statement
There are after effects of seasonal flu.
There would seem to be a case for the involvement of 5G, It would seem that the death rate is higher in areas where 5G is established.
Think David Ike said as much.

There is no valid test for this virus, so how can it be claimed that there are lasting after effects -- when identification of the root cause can not specifically be attributed to Corona?

The flu or whatever it is ---the cure is worse than the disease-- people self harming committing suicide.
Millions jobless and how can you afford a mortgage taken out in good faith.
Oh yes Covad is very serious but not because of the illness but because of the Draconian measures taken by world Governments -- all dancing to the same tune -- apart from a few --who took minor measures and have their economy intact. No measurable difference in mortality rate.

So many genuine information u tube videos taken down WHY?

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
However, the viewpoint that gets bandied about on here and elsewhere that the virus is fake or not a big deal is just plain nonsense in my experience.

Yes, it is.

Even if you're right, it's certainly not a pandemic. I know of nobody who died from it. Nobody I know knows of anybody who died from it. Where are the bodies except on TV?

More of a problem may be the increasing evidence that a significant number of those who contract it (and are recorded as "recovered") then have lasting damage.

You know this first-hand or from media reports?

Neither. (I pay no attention to the mainstream media.)

I follow Chris Martenson closely. His video channel is here. I've watched every one of his 150 videos since the third week of January. When it comes to the science, and the statistics, and all the various reports from reliable medical sources, I'd take his research over that of everyone else combined.

Martenson is highly critical of the media, the WHO, the Fed, and the HCQ studies that have been designed to fail. He's also personally certain the virus has been engineered (and he explains why, in great detail). He's one of the brightest people on YouTube.

But it's a real virus, and can be serious for some people — not necessarily just for those with comorbidities. There's a lot that's still not known. Some people really do have lasting serious effects, and it's not yet fully understood why, at all.

But I'm not going to argue any points here. No Covid fights... it's not worth it. I'm just personally clear about this thing, which I'm comfortable about. I don't have the time or the energy to dig up all the references. I strongly suspect that almost all regular Covid posters on Avalon have already made up their minds. We're in the territory of belief systems now.

HOWEVER — it's being used as a control and manipulation vehicle, 100% for sure. I stated that months ago, and drew attention to the 2010 Rockefeller Foundation document back in February. All that's a totally different discussion from the reality and function of the virus itself.

[greybeard]

The Geneva-based WHO declared the 2009 H1N1 swine flu outbreak a pandemic, which turned out to be mild, leading to some criticism after pharmaceutical companies rushed development of vaccines and drugs.

WHO declared the novel coronavirus that emerged in Wuhan, China, in December a public health emergency of International concern, known as a PHEIC, on Jan. 30. The designation, which remains in place, was aimed at helping countries with weaker health systems shore up their defences, especially in Africa.

Im inclined to believe established experts like the Irish professor who's name I cant remember.

What WHO says seems to change moment by moment depending on the spokes' person.
So Its not a pandemic -- by their definition.

Ferguson who's words was taken -- possibly started the fear mongering if greatly inflated expectation.
He was responsible for similar response to the Swine flu.
Millions of animal slaughtered farmers ruined, for no good reason -- yet here we are again down to his failed modelling.

Chris

[greybeard]

As Covid-19 persists around the world, death is not the only outcome to fear
Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz
The Guardian

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-p...173021764.html

There are a lot of unknowns about Covid-19. This makes sense, because despite six months of the most amazing scientific effort of our lifetimes, the coronavirus is a novel disease which means that we are constantly finding out new things about it. Even now, the debate about the most likely method of spread of the disease rages on, in part because the idea of masks has in many places become somehow a political decision rather than a scientific one.

Sometimes 2020 feels like living in the Bad Place (but with less frozen yoghurt).

But the worry about unknowns doesn’t end at whether you should be sporting pandemic chic. One claim that has been flying around the airwaves, as we move from the early stages of Covid-19 to the endless ennui of an ongoing outbreak, is the idea that, since only a small proportion of people die from the disease, the rest of us should stop worrying about it and carry on. The idea is pervasive, and has been repeated worldwide – since only 1% of people are going to be killed by the coronavirus, the 99% of us who aren’t going to die will be totally fine.

Related: The second wave: 'Thinking this would end was a useful crutch – now it's been kicked from under us' | Josephine Tovey

This is, unfortunately, completely off the mark.

Firstly, let’s look at the facts. A colleague and I have looked into the infection-fatality rate of Covid-19, using data from dozens of studies, and our conclusion is that about 0.7% of people who catch the disease will die. So broadly speaking, saying that only 1% of people who get the disease will die isn’t entirely wrong.

But there’s a problem. Dying isn’t the only issue that a disease can cause. Measles kills about 0.2% of people who catch it, but it leaves some people deaf, others with brain damage, and may cause permanent immune system damage to boot. Polio, the disease that causes terrifying paralysis, is entirely asymptomatic in upwards of 70% of people who catch it.

Similarly, the impact of Covid-19 can’t be boiled down to a single number. For some, it causes death. For others, it causes lengthy ICU stays, which are themselves dangerous. Long-term mechanical ventilation, while hailed as the saviour of humanity early in this crisis, is associated with a host of serious health problems such as bacterial infections, ulcers and more. Even for those not admitted to ICU, there are worrying trends emerging indicating the potential for long-term organ damage such as kidney injury, or severe psychiatric issues.

Related: Why we might not get a coronavirus vaccine

Worse still, there are increasingly reports that these impacts are not wholly confined to people with severe infections. Some patients with mild symptoms are saying that they have had symptoms for weeks or months, a far cry from our usual ideas of “mild” disease. There is some evidence that symptoms like fatigue, which can be very long-lasting, are hitting people who barely had any issue earlier on in their affliction.

All in all, it’s not a pretty picture. Death may be the most easily identifiable outcome of coronavirus infection, but it’s certainly not the only one.

Which brings us back to that 99% figure. As the threat of a second wave looms, people are beginning to get tired of the ongoing government action. “Wouldn’t it be easier”, they say “to just let the disease roll through the population? It’s only going to kill 1% anyway”.

Perhaps, although it’s worth noting that in Australia and the UK a death rate of 1% would imply hundreds of thousands of deaths before the virus burned itself out. Moreover, those who are hospitalised – a significant proportion of Covid-19 patients – will certainly suffer. And even those with more mild disease may not be exempt from long-term harm. While government restrictions are starting to feel onerous, the fact is that we simply do not know enough about this disease to be sure that even the lowest risk is acceptable. We’ve got a handle on short-term, acute issues – the things that we see in a hospital – but we’re still only just discovering what the long-term issues that this disease causes might be.

Unfortunately, the damage that Covid-19 causes is almost certainly not confined entirely to the death rate. We may not know for some time exactly what else it causes, but even now we have enough evidence to know that there are other problems out there. Letting everyone get infected is a strategy that, even ignoring the enormous death toll, could leave us much worse off as a society.

I wish I could end with an uplifting message, but really all there’s left to say is simple: we’re in this for the long haul. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it seems like that’s what 2020 is about for epidemiologists.


"Just to show that I look at all sides of the picture"

However, this fits with the ongoing fear narrative.

Chris

[greybeard]

For me it is very simple.
Whatever this virus
Is lockdown justified?
Thats it.
Chris