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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now in full swing.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Carlos Zapata, a veteran and business owner living in Shasta County, California, confronted the local board of supervisors and warned that a revolution is brewing in the county as people are tired of being hungry and out of work.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=trmtpXGn2OE

    Edit to add:

    The video was quickly deleted from YouTube. But here it is in the Avalon Library: :thumbsup

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...or_Freedom.mp4


    “At first we sat as concerned citizens, as we realized that Covid is not as quite as dangerous as we thought it would be, I was absolutely appalled at the cowardice — and you guys are sitting here with your masks on — I don’t blame you for wearing masks because I would be hiding my face if I was you for what you’re doing.

    “I’m a business owner and I’m telling you, our families are starving — you guys can sit here with your jobs — you’re gonna sit here and get paid to fall asleep in your chair like that gentleman’s doing behind his mask right there.

    “Right now we’re being peaceful and you better be happy we’re good citizens, that we’re peaceful citizens but it’s not gonna be peaceful much longer — and this isn’t a threat — I’m not a criminal, I’ve never been a criminal but I’m telling you real good citizens are going to turn into real concerned and revolutionary citizens real soon. And nobody else is gonna say that. I’m probably the only person that has the balls to say what I’m saying right now.

    “We’re building and we’re organizing and we’ll work with law enforcement or without law enforcement but you won’t stop us when the time comes because our families are starving.

    “This is a warning for what’s coming because it’s not going to be peaceful for much longer! It’s gonna get real.”
    He is absolutely right, this mindset is not only in America, I have been talking with people from many different countries, things will really get ugly soon. God bless us all and punish the culprits.
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    FLU D’ÉTAT – INFILTRATION, NOT INVASION
    8/21/20
    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/inf...ion-flu-detat/
    by Alexandra Bruce

    "A couple of weeks ago, I was contracted to write a short Special Report for John Michael Chambers’ new YouTube channel, Making Sense of the Madness. Last night, the micro-documentry, ‘Infiltration, Not Invasion’ based on my script was premiered.

    Afterwards, I drilled down on the details and answered some caller questions on John’s podcast.

    ***

    THE GREAT RESET –>> NEW WORLD ORDER

    With COVID-19 and the Black Lives Matter “protests”, what we’ve been at the effects of a highly-orchestrated global PSYOP being deployed at every institutional level, from the world’s largest corporations to the smallest teachers’ unions. This can only indicate a mass-infiltration by globalist operatives of our institutions, who are now performing their pre-assigned tasks.

    The Scamdemic and the riots are tools to bring about what the World Economic Forum is calling the “Great Reset”, which is a reengineering of the global financial system and governance system, using the police powers created through the healthcare system to shut down a huge part of the independent economy, worldwide. This is nothing less than the vaunted New World Order we’ve been hearing about for decades.

    There are four main arenas where the “Great Reset” is being orchestrated and deployed: 1) Political/Legal; 2) Medical; 3) Internet/AI; 4) Legacy Media.

    POLICE ABOLITION

    We see that George Soros has been instrumental in manipulating the political side of this operation. As we know, Soros spent millions over the past few years, placing his assets into Congress, as Mayors and Governors and state prosecutors all across the country, ready to do his bidding.

    As examples, we see the District Attorneys, Kim Foxx in Illinois and Kim Gardner in Missouri, whose campaigns were financed by Soros. I believe that Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval and Phoenix Mayor, Kate Gallego are all Soros operatives, among many others, who we see uniformly and unilaterally invoking healthcare police powers in this Globalist “Flu d’État”, by executing harsh lockdowns, mask mandates, contact tracing, etc. It is they who would impose the forced vaccinations.

    The immediate legal goal is to initiate the dismantling the local police and police unions and to replace them eventually with a Globalist police force. This would be after the social workers now being installed fail to stop crime.

    This follows the well-worn script of what was done in Yugoslavia in the 1990s and throughout the Middle East over the past 20 years. First, you destabilize a country, such as with these “George Floyd” riots and then you dismantle the police and replace them with NATO troops or with their equivalent. This is exactly what House Bill 7120, the “George Floyd Justice in Policing Act of 2020” does.

    House Bill 7120 does to the US criminal justice system what the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) intended to do to US trade and to US sovereignty. Happily, Donald Trump withdrew from the TPP in January 2017, in one of his first acts as President. Likewise, this bill will not pass as long as Trump or an America-First president is in office. But you’d better believe that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (a Soros agent) would pass “George Floyd Justice in Policing Act” in a heartbeat.

    Besides Soros, there are many UN-backed initiatives that seek to dismantle the US legal system. One of these is known as the Strong Cities Network, launched in 2015 by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch, during an address she made to the United Nations General Assembly.

    The Strong Cities Network (SCN) is a move toward international integration of global law-enforcement agencies. This is antithetical to locally-controlled police, who are a part of, and accountable to the communities they serve. It also violates the Constitution.

    The SCN hands over control of local law enforcement to a London-based think-tank called the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. The ISD is focused on abolishing civilian gun ownership (the 2nd Amendment) and local police departments. A quick search of the ISD’s website reveals a Board of Trustees comprised of a Who’s Who of top-tier Globalist, one-world government, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group power brokers.

    Forty-six US cities, including New York, Los Angeles, San Diego and Louisville have already signed onto the SCN, which allocates US Taxpayer money to pay the UN to install Human Rights police review boards, because according to the UN, America is a “racist society” in need of UN intervention.

    The SCN gives the UN High Commissioner of Human Rights and lifelong Communist, Michelle Bachelet the power to dismiss police as soon as a complaint is filed, without an investigation and to fine the alleged wrongdoers. These fines are then awarded to the State – not to the people who were allegedly injured.

    HCQ SUPPRESSION

    Standing to gain trillions from the COVID vaccines, the medical industry is supporting the political and legal aspects of this financial reset with its suppression of hydroxychloroquine and its approval of the medical martial law now being imposed, with varying degrees of intensity and/or success from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

    A huge funder and orchestrator of the medical aspect of this operation is Bill Gates. He funds and controls both the Big Pharma companies and the regulators that own the patents for the methods of detection and treatment of COVID-19, in addition to the actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, itself.

    At this point, it’s important to recall that if the novel coronavirus is a natural virus that evolved spontaneously, it would be illegal to patent it. Conversely, if it’s bioengineered, then it would violate biological and chemical weapons treaties and laws. Regardless, in SARS-CoV-2, we are dealing with a monstrous crime and fraud; one of malfeasance, cynicism and cruelty that boggles the mind.

    Two films came out this week, which illustrate some of the mechanisms by which this stunning coordination of repressive action by governments and corporations around the world has been deployed.

    The first film is ‘ShadowGate’ by Millie Weaver and the second is ‘Plandemic II’ by Mikki Willis, both of which are superb and that everyone reading this must view as soon as possible.

    ROBOCOP & PRE-CRIME A.I.

    What we learned in the incredible film, ‘ShadowGate’ by Millie Weaver is that the “de-fund the police” movement originated at UNICRI, the United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute Centre for AI and Robotics. This is the aspect of the Great Reset that is being managed online and via Artificial Intelligence.

    UNICRI was established to advance understanding of artificial intelligence (AI), robotics and related technologies, with a special focus on crime, terrorism and “other threats” to security. ‘ShadowGate’ shows how Globalist retired traitor generals have been using this technology in Interactive Internet Activities (IIA), which are tactical social media warfare programs that use military grade PSYOP applications to target and influence the populace.

    DATA = MONEY

    In Bangladesh, hydrogel vaccines containing nanotechnology are currently being tested by Bill Gates’ GAVI, in collaboration with the ID2020 program. The nanorobots connect with Artificial Intelligence through the Internet of Things, broadcasting your biological data 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.

    The data generated by these nanorobots could spawn quadrillions of dollars of value, which may even form the basis of a new financial system and its associated digital currency. We would be harvested for our data, like dairy cows are for their milk, as surveillance capitalism goes into hyperdrive. (Not that we aren’t, already).

    It is believed that this nanotechnology-hydrogel-artificial-intelligence connection could also receive messages/instructions, akin to Elon Musk’s transhumanist Neuralink implants now in development.

    Artificial Intelligence is also a major component of the robocops and pre-crime algorithms that are scheduled to replace human police officers through the Strong Cities Network. When we look at SCN’s partners and funders, we find Big Tech companies like Google and Twitter.

    The IIA/online censorship has become so dystopian, it would have been unimaginable just a few years ago. It has snuck up on us and it is now galloping us towards draconian information control similar to that seen in China.

    Helping with the disinformation and propaganda efforts, of course is the gaslighting Legacy Media, which has also become unrecognizable from its former self of a decade ago.

    We’re looking at the New World Order, a new financial order and literally a “Mark of the Beast” system, in which the new cryptocurrency requires that your wallet be implanted in your body, together with all of your medical records and “immunity passports”.

    HOW THIS PLAN MIGHT BE FOILED

    The Plan is being rolled-out rather chaotically because our putative owners weren’t totally ready, as all of this was supposed to happen with Hillary Clinton in office but now they’re using it to get rid of Trump.

    Therefore, there’s a chance the Globalists may not be able to pull off this diabolical plot. As Catherine Austin Fitts says:

    “Our opportunity is to make a difference together now, while the new system is still being prototyped and the factions competing.”

    We cannot count on anybody saving us. It truly comes down to We the People stopping this horror."
    (Start at 10:35 minutes in the youtube following)
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now in full swing.

    More from Pastor Dana Coverstone —and very interesting, too.


    So his latest dream (nightmare!) leads to this question.

    What happens when Trump wins in November?

    Which he will, unless there's an unknown X-factor looming which will cause the election to be canceled. (But that's the partial topic of this different thread: What's the 2020 October Surprise?)

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now in full swing.

    This pastor seems very sincere to me, but at the same time, I believe that most, nearly all, dreams are meant for the dreamer, not a greater audience. At most, any messages in his dream are, IMO, to be applied to him personally and very possibly to his direct role as a pastor and therefore to his specific congeration.

    But there are the rare exceptions, and maybe this is one of them. One thing is for sure, no matter who "wins" the election in November, America is not going to come out without a collective black eye, at best. It doesn't take prophetic dreams to see that.

    The US is so divided that one side will be furious and refuse to accept the results. We have been set up to fight each other. The divisions have been fed and stoked. Even now, we are being set up to not accept the election results. As long as we continue to allow ourselves to be divided, which is being encouraged by both the establisment-ruled main stream news and Trump, we are heading down a very dangerous road.

    But I want to issue a caution that has been nagging me for weeks now. I have serious concerns that--rather than being a hero or figure for justice--Trump is actually closer to being a Palpatine. (Is there anyone here who has not seen Star Wars?)

    Palpatine stoked division. He pushed a war between the Separatists and the Jedi. He played both sides and manipulated everything to his advantage, right from the very beginning.

    In this analogy, the Jedi are not the good guys. They are the controllers behind the Republic.

    We, the average American, are the Separatists. We want to be free from from the rule of the untouchable Jedi who pull the strings of the great Republic. We want to live our own lives and have freedom make our own choices. And Palpatine has promised that once the Jedi are finished, once that evil is uprooted and eradicated from the Republic, that's what we will get.

    Palpatine did part of what he promised. He got rid of the Jedi. But instead of being a hero to the Seperatists, he destroyed them all and made himself the Emperor. He didn't bring justice back to the Republic. He destroyed it.

    As I said, it's just a caution, just something to think about.

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now in full swing.

    Quote Posted by Sarah Rainsong (here)
    This pastor seems very sincere to me, but at the same time, I believe that most, nearly all, dreams are meant for the dreamer, not a greater audience. At most, any messages in his dream are, IMO, to be applied to him personally and very possibly to his direct role as a pastor and therefore to his specific congeration.

    But there are the rare exceptions, and maybe this is one of them. One thing is for sure, no matter who "wins" the election in November, America is not going to come out without a collective black eye, at best. It doesn't take prophetic dreams to see that.

    The US is so divided that one side will be furious and refuse to accept the results. We have been set up to fight each other. The divisions have been fed and stoked. Even now, we are being set up to not accept the election results. As long as we continue to allow ourselves to be divided, which is being encouraged by both the establisment-ruled main stream news and Trump, we are heading down a very dangerous road.

    But I want to issue a caution that has been nagging me for weeks now. I have serious concerns that--rather than being a hero or figure for justice--Trump is actually closer to being a Palpatine. (Is there anyone here who has not seen Star Wars?)

    Palpatine stoked division. He pushed a war between the Separatists and the Jedi. He played both sides and manipulated everything to his advantage, right from the very beginning.

    In this analogy, the Jedi are not the good guys. They are the controllers behind the Republic.

    We, the average American, are the Separatists. We want to be free from from the rule of the untouchable Jedi who pull the strings of the great Republic. We want to live our own lives and have freedom make our own choices. And Palpatine has promised that once the Jedi are finished, once that evil is uprooted and eradicated from the Republic, that's what we will get.

    Palpatine did part of what he promised. He got rid of the Jedi. But instead of being a hero to the Seperatists, he destroyed them all and made himself the Emperor. He didn't bring justice back to the Republic. He destroyed it.

    As I said, it's just a caution, just something to think about.
    Your right Sarah Rainsong,the same everywhere not only in USA,but in the final all of us will sing!:

    Star Wars Music Pick Episode VI: Victory Celebration
    (2:24 min.)


    and not the the ending theme even it sound glorious:
    Star Wars IV-A New Hope Ending Theme
    (5:33min.)


    and I'm out of here
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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now in full swing.

    onawah posted this post in the Q thread which would seem to be possibly relevant both to the subject of this thread and Pastor Dana's second dream (quoted below).

    Quote I saw monuments. I saw Washington DC, burning. I saw Washington DC blazing. I saw fires, everywhere. I saw people being rounded up. I saw Chinese and Russian soldiers on the ground. The Russian soldiers would tell the Chinese soldiers to go “pick up these people”…” secure this quadrant”….” secure this area”… I saw blue helmets of the UN. I saw a military things taking place. I also saw no sign of President Trump. I saw no sign of leadership in Washington DC.
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1374597

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/us-...h-dave-hodges/

    Quote US INVASION USING INDIAN RESERVATIONS, MASS CHILD TRAUMA, CHINESE RAY TECHNOLOGY WITH DAVE HODGES
    Transcript by Alexandra Bruce of Forbidden Knowledge
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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now in full swing.

    probably not related...?


    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...es-near-alaska
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    Quote American Fishing Vessels Spooked As Russian Nuclear Submarine Surfaces Near Alaska

    Though American and its European allies are quite used to by now Russian drills occurring in places like the Black and Baltic Seas, and even in the Eastern Mediterranean off Syria's coast, on Thursday into Friday the Russian navy conducted military games near Alaska, in a first such instance since the Soviet Union.

    The military games took place in the Bering Sea and surprisingly involved over 50 warships and some 40 aircraft. The significant size given the location will surely be seen as a provocation by Washington, in a region which over the past year has seen multiple NORAD jets scrambled to intercept Russian long-range bombers coming too near Alaska's coast.

    We are holding such massive drills there for the first time ever,” Russia’s navy chief, Adm. Nikolai Yevmenov said in an official statement.

    The AP reports that the timeline of the exercises remains unclear, and they could be ongoing possibly through the weekend. It's broadly part of a Russian military initiative to better secure the Arctic region and to "protect its resources," as the AP notes.

    “We are building up our forces to ensure the economic development of the region,” the Ministry of Defense statement said. “We are getting used to the Arctic spaces.”

    Interestingly and certainly provocatively both the Omsk nuclear submarine and the Varyag missile cruiser took part in the games, reportedly launching cruise missiles at targets as part of the exercises.


    NORAD says it's closely monitoring as is the US Coast Guard, the latter which was actually tipped off by US fishing vessels which were stunned to apparently observe military activity.

    The Moscow Times also confirms that area fishing vessels actually witnessed a Russian nuclear submarine surfacing - something highly unusual:

    A Russian nuclear submarine has surfaced near Alaska during navy exercises, spooking American commercial fishing vessels in the area, the U.S. military said early Friday.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry announced Thursday that its nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine Omsk and missile cruiser Varyag fired at targets in the Bering Sea as part of its “Ocean Shield 2020” drills. Alaskan media reported that local pollock fishermen had a close encounter with the Russian vessels.

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now in full swing.

    Quote Posted by Sarah Rainsong (here)
    As I said, it's just a caution, just something to think about.
    I have thought about it, first time in 2016, and several times since, but nothing at all about it ever added up. I actually do see Trump as the good guy. Not a hero yet, but not a villain either. All the division that's currently occurring is not coming from him. I see Trump trying and wanting to cleanse these scars and install a sense of unity. I really do.

    I hate seeing all this violence and conflict. And when I see democrat politicians of the standing of Kamala Harris not condemning the violence, not calling for peace and calm, but pro-actively stoking it, even inciting it, by stating "the [rioters] are not going to let up, and they should not", it's another indicator on an existing pile of indicators that clues me in to who's doing what, and who isn't. If there really is a real world Palpatine, it ain't Trump.

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now in full swing.

    To be fair to Kamala, in that video she seems to be referring to the protesting, not necessarily the rioting. Has she or Biden said anything specifically about the rioting at this point (i.e. speaking against them, seeing them as necessary etc)?

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    Quote Posted by Billy Vasiliadis (here)
    To be fair to Kamala, in that video she seems to be referring to the protesting, not necessarily the rioting.
    I see what you're saying, problem is they make little to no distinction between 'protesting' and what is actually happening in many cities, which is vandalism, bloodshed and chaos. The mainstream media , or certain sectors of it, are quite complicit in playing down the severity of these disturbances, some of which have been extremely shocking.

    From Kenosha two nights ago - "mostly peaceful":
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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now in full swing.

    I don't know how homogeneous or uniform CNN is in its views. I say that because I was watching it just last night and Van Jones (a CNN commentator) was saying that Biden needed to come out and essentially condemn the violence taking place. So it seems that at least some voices on CNN are making the distinction between legitimate protest and destructive force.

    I say let's wait and see what the DNC says about this issue. They will have to address it soon as it looks like this will be on the minds of citizens leading up to this election.

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    Quote Posted by Sarah Rainsong (here)
    As I said, it's just a caution, just something to think about.
    I have thought about it, first time in 2016, and several times since, but nothing at all about it ever added up. I actually do see Trump as the good guy. Not a hero yet, but not a villain either. All the division that's currently occurring is not coming from him. I see Trump trying and wanting to cleanse these scars and install a sense of unity. I really do.

    I hate seeing all this violence and conflict. And when I see democrat politicians of the standing of Kamala Harris not condemning the violence, not calling for peace and calm, but pro-actively stoking it, even inciting it, by stating "the [rioters] are not going to let up, and they should not", it's another indicator on an existing pile of indicators that clues me in to who's doing what, and who isn't. If there really is a real world Palpatine, it ain't Trump.

    This is interesting, since I have an almost opposite experience. Originally, I was mostly ambivilent but a little hopeful about Trump. Since then, I think he has been deepening scars and intensifying divisions. I agree they didn't come from him at all. But I see him worsening things, certainly not creating unity. I suppose that's the differences in individual experiences and personalities. Otherwise, I agree.

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    Parental Discipline doesn't look like a happy family at the time, either.

    A casual moral relativist observer taking a peek at it while it's getting started will see an absolute war and division between members of the same family.

    From my observer position thousands of miles away, I see a lot of spoilt brats taking on the adults of the family with a total spasm tantrum just because the adults said 'enough is enough'.

    Is that division ?
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    Quote Posted by Sarah Rainsong (here)
    This is interesting, since I have an almost opposite experience. Originally, I was mostly ambivilent but a little hopeful about Trump. Since then, I think he has been deepening scars and intensifying divisions. I agree they didn't come from him at all. But I see him worsening things, certainly not creating unity. I suppose that's the differences in individual experiences and personalities. Otherwise, I agree.
    Much depends on what he's up against, which I believe are powerful disruptive forces. Some call it the deep state, or a globalist new world order, or a satanic cabal cloaking itself in 'progressive' liberal-marxism - whatever you want to call it. It's something dark and very corrupt. Evil, in fact. They are the ones creating divisions and deepening scars, using woke hysteria, and now covid, as a battering ram to tear into the cultural fabric. He's a president confronted with historic, almost unprecedented problems. I can't imagine how he or anyone is supposed to deal with all these things, and counter what is demonstrably an existential threat to security, normality, and democracy itself. Strategy - manoeuvre - optics. I believe he's playing an intricate smoke-and-mirrors long game to defeat this insidious plot to enslave humanity. From the outside, it is no wonder the man appears to be surrounded by such enigma and contradiction. The vast problems he's confronted with are hardly an easy fix.

    I remain quietly optimistic however, and fervently convinced: Trump and his officials and his team remain *quite literally* the best and and only hope for...yeh I'll say it: for humanity. Had Hillary won, we would each and every one us been well and truly f****d.

    I reserve that opinion entirely to myself. I make no attempts to proselytize. I do not speak as a conservative either, I'm more a classic liberal. Even that isn't accurate really, not any more. Because I choose to see beyond and around the restrictive and paralysing lens of political bias. Not saying you or anyone else is, but many do continue to view and interpret these strange times and these very strange events via right-wing/left-wing codification. It is but tunnel vision. I threw those goggles away ages ago, and I came to see many angles and aspects I didn't see before.

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    Oh indeed, it would be a very dull and predictable world if we all had the same experience and therefore the same opinion. Disagreement is an important catalyst in driving human progression. Without it, we'd plateau, and probably still be swinging from the trees. It can lead to discord, certainly, but enlightened minds - like we on PA - can agree to disagree, and in the process learn from each other too.
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    People must make up their own minds about what is really going on here. Although I do believe it's important to suspend any invested preconceptions we may have, and instead use reason, logic, and our own physical (and extra) senses to form those opinions.

    As a relative illustrative example, the City of Portland, Oregon:

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    This letter below by Ted Wheeler, Mayor of Portland, is a response to President Trump's offer of Federal assistance to his city. He posted this on his twitter feed for all to see. If I was a Portlander, I would find this letter most interesting. I think it would help me form a clearer opinion of what, where, and who the real problems are. It would be as clear as day. Again, it would just be my opinion though, which I reserve entirely to myself.

    The replies to this tweet make for interesting reading if nothing else.

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    Quote Posted by Billy Vasiliadis (here)
    I say that because I was watching it just last night and Van Jones (a CNN commentator) was saying that Biden needed to come out and essentially condemn the violence taking place. So it seems that at least some voices on CNN are making the distinction between legitimate protest and destructive force.
    Pundits on the left (the astute ones) are beginning to speak out against the violence because they understand sanctioning anarchy and destruction is not politically expedient. It's almost as if they had no problem with the destruction when their stock was rising among the outraged masses; however, in my view, they've overplayed the hand. They've marched so far north with this banner they're now marching south. If the leaders of the party don't come out and strongly condemn what's going on the DNC will be known as the party of a chaos and violence and destruction in the minds of the people.

    It's a delicate tightrope; embracing social justice does win votes, especially when backed by the propaganda apparatus of the State; sanctioning revolution and the takedown of America... not so much.

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    also posted elsewhere but fits here I think:

    From reading Neon's place at Gab the last few days I could see that emotions, anger, and militancy were rising up from the Trump-siders about the double-standards in media and enforcement, among other things, and that was before last night's events.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...president.html

    I suspect this killing could be the reason why Gab is down: Gab.com is under maintenance

    If true, what I wonder is whether the site's management took it down until things cool down (likely not happening) or whether other forces found a weak-spot in it's network/hosting defenses.

    It appears to me that the hidden-hand backgrounders trying to create more and more hatred/rioting/violence/killings between the extreme left and extreme right (I hate these oversimplified labels - anarchists vs what exactly?) are succeeding now.
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    I've pretty much shut down now, emotionally. I am waiting for Nov. 3. It will decide whether I try again or whether I join those burning stuff down. Never much cared for this life in this world. Now with this cartoon life and joke of a world, I have almost no reason to go on. I guess that was the point of all this...

    The only thing good to come of this is that the enemy has exposed itself. There is no more pretending like this crap isn't and hasn't been happening all along. I have been vindicated, along with many other 'conspiracists'. That is enough for one life.

    And so I wait for Nov. 3. That day I decide my fate. This lock down almost certainly will kill my wife because she cannot get treatment. My faith in this world and the good people within it is coming to an end.

    I know my place and am certain of my allegiance. I am not afraid to die to this false 'life'.
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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now in full swing.

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    I've pretty much shut down now, emotionally. I am waiting for Nov. 3. It will decide whether I try again or whether I join those burning stuff down. Never much cared for this life in this world. Now with this cartoon life and joke of a world, I have almost no reason to go on. I guess that was the point of all this...

    The only thing good to come of this is that the enemy has exposed itself. There is no more pretending like this crap isn't and hasn't been happening all along. I have been vindicated, along with many other 'conspiracists'. That is enough for one life.

    And so I wait for Nov. 3. That day I decide my fate. This lock down almost certainly will kill my wife because she cannot get treatment. My faith in this world and the good people within it is coming to an end.

    I know my place and am certain of my allegiance. I am not afraid to die to this false 'life'.
    Hold on in there, Ernie. I hear every word you say - except for ‘waiting for Nov 3’. The term ’Nov 3’ is totally up for grabs as it always was: even Kennedy may have fudged things through his Dad’s Chicago Mafia connections Your vote recorded on this forum is more powerful than a simple vote for X or Y.


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