What is the Likely Outcome after the 2020 US Election?

[rgray222]

The purpose of the thread is twofold. Most importantly what do you think the long and short term consequences will be after the election? Also, how do you think the election will play out, will one candidate win in a landslide or will the decision be made in a courtroom instead of at the ballot box?



I realize that many Avalon (if not most) members are not American but I think we all have a stake in the outcome.

When political parties have these extreme differences, how can civil war be avoided? Can we reasonably expect those in power before the election to peacefully surrender their offices to opponents who they know will pursue policies that are not only unwise or unjust but also wholly destructive of the very ends of the political community? Should the government of the day respect the election results, and quietly hand over power. Or, if it is the challenging party that has lost the election, should it be content to leave peacefully in office people who are not just partisan opponents with disagreeable policies, but dangerous enemies of the country who do not deserve to be considered as legitimate governing officials? And what if the election result was very close, and perhaps also included (as is generally the way with close elections) some very contestable counting of the votes? Why should either a governing or a challenging party accept an unfavorable election outcome determined by a few doubtfully legitimate vote counts, when such important principles are at stake?

I have been thinking about this for a few months and I don't see a scenario that is without civil unrest and/or some type of violence. Some of the outcomes appear to have very dire ramifications. Also, one can't help but wonder if the COVID lockdowns, racial unrest (BLM) and ANTIFA anarchist have been intentionally unleashed prior to the election.

The topic is not about which candidate you support it is about the fallout after the election. Thanks

[ExomatrixTV]

See my comment here

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I think there will be riots and civil unrest and violence no matter who wins. The country will be ravaged and people will die. Again, I am fortunate to live in the country. It will not change my lifestyle much but many people will be affected. Society as we know it may very well break down for a time. What results from this is yet to be seen.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Wonderful thread. As my dear husband pointed out after we watched the below video, if we still don't have a declared winner to the election come January, we could end up with Pelosi, aka Yzma "scary beyond all reason" for president.

However, I was listening to the latest Dark Journalist episode earlier (usually takes days for me to finish those, and this episode is not an exception--so I haven't finished it), and he was talking about the continuity of government, and the plans for a military leader to take over in the event something happened to the president and vice president. That's equally disturbing, maybe even more so. At least the Speaker is within the workings of the Constitution.

Regardless, as things stand right now, I don't see any good coming from this election, and I don't see it being decided on Nov. 3. Krystal makes some very good points in comparing the upcoming election to the fiasco of Bush-Gore back in 2000. It took weeks and the supreme court to get a conclusion in that one state, and we're looking at a repeat of that many times over. And the nation wasn't near as divided. It's not a very good scenario.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=x3Can1Arnmo

[greybeard]

I think Trump has something up his sleeve --he is a master at timing and will convince enough of the electorate to have a sizable win.
Chris

[Gwin Ru]

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[TomKat]

Trump will win, but the Dems will take both houses of congress. They will again attempt to kill him in the media and with legal manoeuvres such as impeachment, and he will die in the middle of his second term. The man can take a punch but he can't throw one.

[rgray222]

In America, talk turns to something not spoken of for 150 years: Civil war

At a moment when the country has never seemed angrier, two political commentators from opposite sides of the divide concurred recently on one point that was once nearly unthinkable: The country is on the verge of “civil war.”



The next day, Nicolle Wallace, a former Republican operative turned MSNBC commentator and Trump critic, played a clip of di­Genova’s commentary on her show and agreed with him — although she placed the blame squarely on the president.

Trump, she said, “greenlit a war in this country around race. And if you think about the most dangerous thing he’s done, that might be it.”

A tumultuous couple of weeks in American politics seem to have raised the rhetorical flourishes to a new level and also brought a troubling question to the surface: At what point does all the alarmist talk of civil war actually increase the prospect of violence, riots or domestic terrorism?

Speaking to conservative pundit Laura Ingraham, diGenova summed up his best advice to friends: “I vote, and I buy guns. And that’s what you should do.”

This article was written before the impeachment vote and now the rhetoric and the intolerance has ramped up even further.

Ro read the full story:https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...57b_story.html

[TomKat]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Trump, she said, “greenlit a war in this country around race. And if you think about the most dangerous thing he’s done, that might be it."

The Democrats are trying to instigate a race war. That's why they immediately declared Trump a racist because he wanted a wall. That's why they've been burning buildings and toppling statues. And of course, they hope to pin the war on Trump.

[rgray222]

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Trump, she said, “greenlit a war in this country around race. And if you think about the most dangerous thing he’s done, that might be it."

The Democrats are trying to instigate a race war. That's why they immediately declared Trump a racist because he wanted a wall. That's why they've been burning buildings and toppling statues. And of course, they hope to pin the war on Trump.

If you read my post on the BLM thread you will see that Politico published a story back in 2015 talking about secret meetings in the White House with BLM and other organizations. The purpose was to select a group which turned out to be BLM to interject racial tensions into politics with their sights set on the 2020 election.

[Franny]

Earlier last week a friend sent me this group email, seen below, that she received from a friend. She says he's really not an alarmist or a drama king, he's pretty solid and dependable.

It does seem plausible to me and quite close to what many of us have deduced anyway.

If you aren't prepared for SHTF or food and supply shortages it might be a good idea to do what you can. If you don't have weapons at least get pepper spray and bear spray - it's a step up from nothing at all.

My friends, I’m NOT an alarmist. I’m not. BUT, I heard something tonight that scared the pants off me.

Many of you know me “in person” and not just on Facebook, and you know that I have many contacts all through government that I’ve developed over decades of service. I’m nothing special but I do have these avenues.

I was told TODAY that on or soon after Election Day a true revolt and uprising will take place. It’s being organized now.

This came from someone who is in government and who told me he’s extremely concerned. I cannot tell you WHO told me this. I can only tell you I’m taking heed. This man NEVER shares this information freely EVER.

He said to me the following:

In the next two months an uprising is coming and the government is preparing for Nationwide Marshall Law.

1: He said to immediately stock up on goods needed to survive and support life for your family : Food, Water, paper goods , defensive weapons (bullets etc) and a amazingly he emphasized having on hand spare fuel and a generator. He is worried for HIS FAMILY. (Again with his position that statement shocked me).

2: He told me the anarchist groups that are growing in this nation daily will begin with much larger and broader protests then they are having now and they will move them swiftly into suburbia. They will have Democrat hierarchy support.

They will employ “Shock and Awe” tactics. They will employ “lockdowns” that are mandatory to minimize organized public resistance.

He told me that this is not hyperbole but they have people on the inside verifying the planning. This information is quietly going to law enforcement agency’s nationwide. Bounty’s are on law enforcement heads especially. They are well funded.

3: If Trump wins, the left will (and is actively planning) to lash out at law enforcement nationwide and against the civilian population for putting Trump back in office. They will seek death of innocents (such as the two deputies in California and children ) as payback for their loss of power. Trump WILL and is preparing to declare MARTIAL LAW NATIONWIDE.

If Biden wins, the LEFT will (and is actively planning) to unleash fury on the nation and citizenry as payback for the past four years of Trump.

Biden and Harris will sit back and let this happen. Biden will openly advocate for the further defunding of the majority of police nationwide and Harris will rule by proxy.

Again, you know I have never been an alarmist but the source of this information and his place in government is unimpeachable. Again, I was SHOCKED by the source of the info and it is a person I trust implicitly.

He told me that BLM and related fringe groups must AND WILL be destroyed by force and that plans are being made to do this and restore law and order. But, until all this comes to pass it’s going to get bad even in the rural areas so the left can have maximum “shock and awe” effect and drive fear into the nation to submit to BLM and the democrat new order.

To lay it out plainly, he is talking of a true civil war brewing and they are preparing for it at the highest levels.

I am taking what I heard tonight seriously and we are preparing. I implore you to do so as well. - (Name withheld by me)

[greybeard]

One way or another I think the boil will be lanced.
We have to go through chaos world wide in order to see a "new tomorrow"
Funnily enough Eckhart Tolle in his book "The Power of Now" talks of this in broad terms, as far as I remember.
I lent the book years ago (fatal) so cant refresh my memory.
Difficult times now and more to come but Im convinced that there will be a change for the better and personal freedom will persist.
Chris

[Ratszinger]

Trump is going to win, the left is going to shout to the high heavens to rebuke it saying that Russian help and cheating are responsible! There will be riots, mostly in the east and major blue cities, the military will already be in the streets by this time but foreign troops will be seen also! Since many of the people are not actually American but infiltrated dissidents from foreign lands in these protests with BLM or ANTIFA in most cases and from out of state in others, and already angry at the system, now fully convinced if they don't revolt their lives are over it will be hell on earth. Marshal Law, military in the streets and dissident crack down using deadly force is likely.

After this all public servants should be made to wear bib overalls as their work clothing so as to never forget again they are servants to the people! Besides that these gang members have hijacked the dress for success model making it gang attire so that all has to go!

No more lobbyist gifts!

No more pork!

No more insider trading! You do it you go to jail just like I do and Martha Stewart did!

No career politicians! 2 terms max and you're out and just because you served four years doesn't mean you get to leave with the "Golden Parachute" so large your feet never have to touch the ground again! Those big $$$$ deals are a thing of the past! You go back to your old job when you are done with a thank you! Nothing more!!

[norman]

They won't kill the internet or phone services, they need them too much for that, but they might kill our access to them so that we only have the msm to tell us 'who won' and what's going on.

[Bill Ryan]

I have to say, I'm increasingly thinking that the worst-case scenario if there's a Biden-Harris victory (which I do very profoundly doubt) is that, after some time has passed, patriotic white Americans would start to be rounded up and persecuted, sadistically or worse, like European Jews in 1938.

It's not "likely". But such a thing doesn't seem 100.00% impossible.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I have to say, I'm increasingly thinking that the worst-case scenario if there's a Biden-Harris victory (which I do very profoundly doubt) is that, after some time has passed, patriotic white Americans would start to be rounded up and persecuted, sadistically or worse, like European Jews in 1938.

It's not "likely". But such a thing doesn't seem 100.00% impossible.

I agree with you except for the Harris-Biden win, I sincerely believe they will do whatever is necessary to win. And if they lose they will never admit it. I am afraid life in the US is about to change dramatically. Venezuela comes to mind. I believe the states will be split and many patriotic white Americans will end up in states like Texas and Alaska. Where they will fend off the others. It will be bloody and violent.

[T Smith]

Trump wins the conventional votes, but there is no fair (or in-place mechanism) to accurately count the unsolicited mail-in COVID votes. This process is not like absentee ballots, despite the popular propaganda to the contrary, which in the past were (mostly) solicited and accounted for. Stacks of unsolicited votes will be discarded; other stacks will be generated via fiat, all to suit a desired result depending on the official tally of the conventional votes. Bear in mind--and this is the critical point--there is no regulatory mechanism or oversight to this entire process--this is a 100% Venezuela/Banana Republic-like s*!t-show operation in the full control of centralized and corrupted partisan officials (unlike the decentralized voting process administered by honestly-regulated local municipalities).

The results from the magic ballots, which have been mailed to nearly 40% of the population by the same centralized and corrupted partisan officials under the guise of the COVID pandemic--mainly in key swing states--will be statistically impossible (70% - 80% will come in for Biden), which the Biden camp will argue is due to the Biden/Harris voting bloc preference to enfranchise itself by mail due to COVID, while the irresponsible Trump voter's preference is to vote in person.

If the current POTUS lays down to this, which seems unlikely given his cantankerous propensity, Biden/Harris will be the next administration and Agenda 2030/NWO/Eugenics/Austerity/Global World War/Take Down of the American Republic will resume in full swing.

If the current POTUS challenges the results (or refuses to accept them on grounds of fraud), and if the US Supreme Court can't (or won't) resolve the dispute, the Agenda 2030/NWO/Eugenics/Austerity/Global World War/Take Down of the American Republic propaganda apparatus, aka the MSM/Big-Tech controlled Social Media Cabal, will brand Trump Hitler 2.0 for refusing to step down, which will trigger a hot civil war in the United States and possibly World War III. Bedlam will ensue, factions within the US military and the alphabet agencies will emerge, lines will be drawn, divisions forged. How the battle (or battles) will ensue is yet unknown.

Unfortunately, the scenario above isn't fanciful insight on my part. Nor is it unique analysis. This is is pretty much the mainstream understanding of what is about to go down. And yes, as alarming as it sounds, it still sounds much more plausible to me than "Trump Wins" or "Biden Wins"....

[East Sun]

I will not vote because presidents are chosen well in advance of elections ,
by "them" although we don't want to acknowledge that fact.
IMO Trump will "win" because his mission is not yet accomplished.

[Heartsong]

I think the election and tallying it's outcome will be a bit dicey but by February we will be back to what we have lived with the last two years. The two parties will be at each other's necks. Riots will be old news but not entirely forgotten. Americans like their comfort. We have the virus. We have the economic downturn. And, we have bad governance. We'll make it cause one way or another we love this country and we'll ride out the storm. In ten years this will be history and we'll be contending with something else.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by East Sun (here)
...presidents are chosen well in advance of elections ,
by "them" although we don't want to acknowledge that fact.

Nope, not in this case.