Actress Ellen Page Is Now Actor Elliot Page

[Mike]

Ellen Page has announced that she is now Elliot Page, and "his" new pronouns are "he/him" and "they/them".

Hang on, because this gets confusing...

Ellen Page married a woman years ago, and is still married to that woman. Back then and up till the present, Ellen was a proud lesbian.

But now that Ellen is now Elliot, and identifying as male, and is married to a woman, wouldn't that make Elliot a straight male?

Well, pump your breaks viewers, because Elliot is also identifying as queer. So, Elliot Page, formerly the lesbian actress known as Ellen Page, currently married to a lesbian, is now identifying as a gay man? Her lesbian wife must be just as confused as she is...

But wait, am I getting all this right? Well, apparently not. One paragraph in the article I've linked to says the following:
"...Page uses both he/him and they/them pronouns, and describes himself as trans and non-binary, meaning that his gender identity is neither man nor woman..."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=c955VGozAos

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/e...my-1234843023/

[thepainterdoug]

whatever, sex is overated anyway.

the painter doris

[Patient]

Yeah, just scroll up and down from here and look at all of the pics of the faces.

[Mike]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
whatever, sex is overated anyway.

the painter doris

[DeDukshyn]

 

I don't give two craps what gender, species, colour, or lack therof one wants to consider them-self. Your role playing makes no difference to me, just don't give me crap or look down on me, or judge me for using the 'wrong' pronoun without telling me specifically what that should be, because that would indicate that regardless of gender, you're the ass, not me.

[Mike]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
 

I don't give two craps what gender, species, colour, or lack therof one wants to consider them-self. Your role playing makes no difference to me, just don't give me crap or look down on me, or judge me for using the 'wrong' pronoun without telling me specifically what that should be, because that would indicate that regardless of gender, you're the ass, not me.

Mike this is precisely how I feel about it.

Actually I have enormous sympathy with people struggling with their sexuality and identity. And I think it's wonderful when they discover whatever they feel is their authentic self. What's troubling is that this current movement feels very inorganic to me, and it's being thrust upon us in place of objective reality, all in the name of "compassion". The more dubious elements of it feel sick and deranged to me...like the universe is playing a cruel joke on us or something.

There's kind of a collective gaslighting of what I guess we'd call normative people here. And it's the kids I'm most worried for

[TargeT]

intersectionality is meaningless and a distraction.

I don't give a ... piece of wood what you are.. I care what you do (and as a libertarian, do what ever you want! as long as you don't infringe on me or others, as always).

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
 

I don't give two craps what gender, species, colour, or lack therof one wants to consider them-self. Your role playing makes no difference to me, just don't give me crap or look down on me, or judge me for using the 'wrong' pronoun without telling me specifically what that should be, because that would indicate that regardless of gender, you're the ass, not me.

Mike this is precisely how I feel about it.

Actually I have enormous sympathy with people struggling with their sexuality and identity. And I think it's wonderful when they discover whatever they feel is their authentic self. What's troubling is that this current movement feels very inorganic to me, and it's being thrust upon us in place of objective reality, all in the name of "compassion". The more dubious elements of it feel sick and deranged to me...like the universe is playing a cruel joke on us or something.

There's kind of a collective gaslighting of what I guess we'd call normative people here. And it's the kids I'm most worried for

I can easily say that judging others for their personal preferences of gender, clothing, specific styles of living, sexuality, etc. is 100% not cool. It sucks. It's stupid. But what is almost as bad as that, or maybe worse, is imagining that everyone is judging you for said personal preferences, and then judging them for that which you have imagined. I am seeing way too much of this lately.

It's like pulling the race card when no racism occurred.

That all said, I have more than one good friend that has preferences that differ from my own, and I love them as they are and who they are, and how they wish to express themselves. But at least one of them is a bit caught up in what I mention above, which is the uncomfortable part for me -- they could be so much happier if they could judge less -- as we all should.

I didn't mean to sound like an ass in my previous post but my brevity may have made it come across that way a little.

[Mike]

no you didn't come off like an ass at all.

as far as Page goes, i have a million and 1 questions, because nothing about her announcement makes any sense to me. the first one might be: if she's non binary and not identifying as man or woman, what's the point of switching to male pronouns???

why do i care, some might be thinking. i care because i see this as a symptom of a much larger problem, and i care because if our most traditionally held truths are being changed, it's going to affect all of us

[Ewan]

Posted by Mike (here)

...because Elliot is also identifying as queer. So, Elliot Page, <snip> is now identifying as a gay man?

Don't know much about this area but I think those terms mean different things these days. My source for that piece of information is Dave Chappelle, when telling a joke about the LGBT's he introduced a 5th category, the Queer.

(( Just checked Urban Dictionary - queer: Originally pejorative for gay, now being reclaimed by some gay men, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered persons as a self-affirming umbrella term. Caution: still extremely offensive when used as an epithet. ))

99% sure the rest of the world couldn't give an owl pellet, but for some reason mainstream media thinks we need to know, hmm, make that 95% - Twitter just came to mind.

[Ewan]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

I didn't mean to sound like an ass in my previous post but my brevity may have made it come across that way a little.

Far as I'm concerned it was the star post of the thread.

Could just picture you jettisoning a stream of tobacco juice at an old yellow dog as you mounted your horse and rode off into the night ala Josey Wales. 'Cept it was too many words for Clint really, a little more brevity if you really want to nail the part.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Mike (here)
no you didn't come off like an ass at all.

as far as Page goes, i have a million and 1 questions, because nothing about her announcement makes any sense to me. the first one might be: if she's non binary and not identifying as man or woman, what's the point of switching to male pronouns???

why do i care, some might be thinking. i care because i see this as a symptom of a much larger problem, and i care because if our most traditionally held truths are being changed, it's going to affect all of us

As far as I'm concerned all these labels we're supposed to be accepting, using, identifying with, or not identifying with, or whatever, are all incredibly stupid. Just be whatever frickin' name you want to call yourself, and go with that. Everything else is no one else's damn business and you don't need to make it anyone else's damn business. It will be someone's business when it needs to be. The end.

Maybe I'm just looking too far forward, but I do believe the "accept me for my preference!" honeymoon has already run its course and now its just forced nonsense where everyone wants a label or two to wear as a badge of honour ... its not a badge of honour - you are normal like everyone else is normal.

EDIT: ^^ Ewan, lol!

[Constance]

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[cursichella1]

From the Babylon Bee

Elliot Page Retroactively Awarded 17 Oscars For Amazingly Convincing Portrayals Of Women

December 3rd, 2020

HOLLYWOOD, CA—At a lavish press conference today, actor Elliot Page received 17 Oscar awards for his previous work portraying women in a variety of films, even though Page himself is a man, which is something we definitely believe, as you can tell by our use of words like “his” and “himself.”

“We are proud to recognize Elliot’s amazing work in portraying women so very realistically -- most people didn't even know he was a man,” said Brett Long, Director of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences Subcommittee on Preemptive Apologies and Narrative Alignment.

Though it was difficult to hear Page from behind his armload of Oscar statuettes, it is believed that he said something like, “As a man who is very manly and enjoys manly things, I couldn’t be more proud of my work, and I look forward to working on more manly portrayals of waifish, wide-eyed ingenues.”

Long later told reporters that his subcommittee will be having many more similar ceremonies in the near future. “We’re looking at Hattie McDaniel right now, and we’re either going to give her six more Oscars for being a cultural trailblazer or cancel her completely for perpetuating racial stereotypes. What do you guys think?”

Link to BABYLON BEE article (Satire)

[Journeyman]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
 

I don't give two craps what gender, species, colour, or lack therof one wants to consider them-self. Your role playing makes no difference to me, just don't give me crap or look down on me, or judge me for using the 'wrong' pronoun without telling me specifically what that should be, because that would indicate that regardless of gender, you're the ass, not me.

Mike this is precisely how I feel about it.

Actually I have enormous sympathy with people struggling with their sexuality and identity. And I think it's wonderful when they discover whatever they feel is their authentic self. What's troubling is that this current movement feels very inorganic to me, and it's being thrust upon us in place of objective reality, all in the name of "compassion". The more dubious elements of it feel sick and deranged to me...like the universe is playing a cruel joke on us or something.

There's kind of a collective gaslighting of what I guess we'd call normative people here. And it's the kids I'm most worried for

Years ago I'd have said 'relax', it's just one person working out their own issues. The most infernal aspect is that on an individual level, no empathic human being wants another to suffer needlessly. It doesn't 'cost' anything to be supportive surely and I have no interest in what other people wear or call themselves, let alone wish to control it. So my liberal perspective is to send warm wishes and support, respect whatever request is being made and forget about it.

Except I no longer believe that this is just one more expression of an individual's confused journey to self fulfilment. I think many actors jobs don't stop when their movie wraps, I think they're working 24/7 and the most important role they play is themselves. There's massive levels of deception at work and a pattern beneath the surface which maps to the goals of the mystery religions that never really went away. The same underlying elite goals that underpin the Harry Styles photoshoot are at work in this carefully constructed narrative.

Again, I think this is far more important than we've hitherto realised. It's one of the fundamental goals of the elite as they seek to transform society into their idea of perfection, to ensure their new order prevails in the new age. The goal ultimately isn't Ellen or Elliott. it's the non binary elimination of the masculine and the feminine replaced with the androgynous ideal.

[Patient]

Yes Journeyman, a very good point.

I don't even know how to refer to this community anymore. There is constantly a new identity being created. One thing to take notice of, is that there are obviously major things missing from people's lives as so many feel the need to be seen as being strongly identified belonging to one of these groups. They all seem to want to be waving a flag of their own. And of course, if you raise a flag to say you are straight and are just as you were when you were born then you will be attacked.

I have kids - I know what kids are going through. Some kids are troubled due to the fact that they do not want to change to be something else. They are worried that they will not be accepted for who they are originally. The goal of whoever is in charge of messing with the people has really taken a bite out of people and you have to pay attention to those around you who may need a bit of help.

What really gets me upset is when you see parents changing their children's sex at 4 and 5 years old because they saw their son or daughter playing with a tool or some cloth.

In my line of work, there was a person fired from their job because of their own confusion around the use of pronouns. When you are working with a group of people and there are so many people with different identities and some who are changing themselves from week to week, how are you suppose to keep up with it all?

General words in our vocabulary are changing so fast sometimes in their meaning that you are quickly jumped on for saying the wrong thing. You have to be very careful when you want to compliment someone. Perhaps that is why some people are enjoying being forced to wear masks these days because they are allowed to hide in plain site and not have to try to participate in communicating.

[thepainterdoug]

Its all so overblown. all this identity stuff. get a grip. I am a traditional hetero, (boring hugh?)
I don't get what I want, don't have a girlfriend, a mate , I live alone with my cactus ,get little to no attention or verification regarding my sexuality from anyone anywhere at any time. Im White and in my 60ies and now have become invisible. I LOVE IT!

if your not having sex to procreate, then your having it for pleasure which distills down to orgasm. And if you have sex without "finishing " it may not be that pleasurable.
But either way, ALL is easily solved with getting oneself off, and if you dont now how to do that well then you are your own ultimate victim .

Hugging and loving can be done with your mate, a friend or your pet.

NO one is stopping anyone from being anything unless you are infringing on others or breaking a law.

all this is in my opinion is drinking the bored hollywood cool aid that is steering this country into further division and violence.
its soooo cool to be misunderstood.

should we be at real war, under attack, have to bare arms, fight for our survival, our sexuality world be straightened out 1 2 3

[Bassplayer1]

Posted by Constance (here)
Does anyone else feel the confusion in their brains when they see this type of grammar and image displayed together?

Page uses both he/him and they/them pronouns, and describes himself as transgender and non-binary, meaning that his gender identity is neither man nor woman.

Nick Adams, GLAAD’s Director of Transgender Media, said “Elliot Page has given us fantastic characters on-screen, and has been an outspoken advocate for all LGBTQ people. He will now be an inspiration to countless trans and non-binary people. All transgender people deserve the chance to be ourselves and to be accepted for who we are. We celebrate the remarkable Elliot Page today.

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https://variety.com/2020/film/news/e...my-1234843023/

It's evident to me that the way that this article (like many others of its ilk) has been written and designed has been to deliberately create confusion and stress in the hearts and minds of people. Keep people in a state of stress and confusion and you have people right where you want them to be.

Corporate media deal exclusively in the false self - the self that only celebrates and identifies with the ego. Media continuously have us awash in a sea of celebrities and other influential figures who have developed no true sense of self - and it is the young people who are more vulnerable to this.

When spirituality comes first, everything flows from there but if a child is brought into this world and only all the false realities are entertained, things very quickly become seriously out of balance.

It's the parents-to-be I'm most concerned about. I know two young parents who have been influenced by the whole social justice movement (they are not gay or transgender) to the point where they decided to call their newborn a name that could be male or female (there's nothing wrong with that inherently) but they also do not refer to their newborn as a boy (which is what he is), they refer to their newborn as an it and they dress the newborn in colours other than pink or blue. Once again, there is nothing inherently wrong with not dressing a child stereotypically but it is the whole spirit in which they are motivated to do this.

It is the intent to have their child grow up as a gender neutral. No one is allowed to refer to him as a boy. What are going to be the implications for his masculinity long term?

I have friends who were delighted by this move. They think that this is a politically correct way to refer to a child. I was horrified. What is going to happen to that childs brain as he is growing up? How much more complicated and stressful is it all going to be?
What's going to happen when it is time for education? What happens if he wants to compete in athletic sports? How is he going to perceive himself when his hormones start to change and he starts to develop as a sexual being? What's going to happen when he eventually wants to date someone?

I can see the changes being made in schools/universities and corporations as they dance to the tune of the whole politically correct transgender movement but what direction is this ultimately all headed in and what does this mean for the future of the human race?

I'm the first to want everyone to be happy and safe to be whoever and whatever they want. I'm happy to jump in and defend those being given a hard time over it, but that's where the buck stops.

Parents calling their beautiful baby boy 'It' is a form of child abuse. Sorry to be harsh but its my opinion.

The world has adoption agencies with long waiting lists of fantastic potential parents that will likely NEVER be allowed to be a parent and deemed as unfit because one parent might like 3 glasses of wine instead of 2 with their meal on a Saturday night, or another parent many years ago when they were young may have a had a brush with the law for something trivial like a bit of shop lifting. Whereas a couple that are 'ex lesbians, now men that still like wearing dresses but call them queer' would probably be deemed as wonderful and ideal 'candidates'. I'm not saying they wouldn't be but not at the expense/exclusion of others.

Reminds me of David Icke talking about Richard Day in the late sixties and his lecture at one of the London Universities - about the planned sexualization of children - getting everyone obsessed with this, and consumerism and mindless celebrity crap.

A spiritual world is one that's hard to control. A world obsessed with sex and identity is a piece of cake to control. And though I may laugh and joke about the insanity, it's horrifying and chilling. Because right before our eyes we are witnessing the deliberate rapid decline and elimination of the spiritual. And it's not enough or should I say helpful having a handful of celebrity 'gurus' peddling consumer sponsored 'Instagram spirituality' which is nothing more than narcissistic indulgence that eventually leads one to the Identity stuff in many cases anyway!

I really do see this as a huge battle for the Spirit - particularly for the newborns and children coming into this weird world. We certainly don't need a vaccine that is rumoured (correctly or incorrectly) to switch off the desire to connect with God/the Divine/Source etc when you've got an endless supply of celebrity 'influencers' promoting attention seeking freedom and individuality via their genitals and fashion statements.

[Patient]

This is a rabbit hole all in itself and going deeper and deeper.

When you say "they", in my world from my perspective you are referring to a group of people or someone you don't know.

"It" is not a person, it is a thing, an ornament, an object.

This is clearly designed to take away identity - not enhance it. Like so many things these days it seems upside-down.


One day we will wake up and everything will be floating away into the sky as gravity joins in to be "neutral".

[avid]

Don’t be daft, reality is how we were born, and kudos to all of our pairings to find each other, but to negate reality is to cast aspersions on the real folk, our neighbours/friends/support networks etc.