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    Hollywood sounds fun. Ill pass

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    Quote Posted by thunder24 (here)
    Q spoke to scientology in his drops.... well this man has obviously gone 'clear'
    Unzipped. Cruisey-Matrix-Malfunction. (Again.)


    As first reported by The Sun, after Cruise saw two crew members standing too close to one another in front of a computer screen, he told the crew: “If I see you do it again you’re ****ing gone.”

    In audio obtained by The Sun, Cruise can be heard saying: “We are the gold standard. They’re back there in Hollywood making movies right now because of us. Because they believe in us and what we’re doing. I’m on the phone with every ****ing studio at night, insurance companies, producers and they’re looking at us and using us to make their movies. We are creating thousands of jobs, you mother****ers. I don’t ever want to see it again. Ever!”
    article
    audio rant
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    Retweet by Bernard B. Kerik, Police Commissioner of the NYC Police Dept. - @BernardKerik


    https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/st...28650889449474

    BREAKING: Attorney Phill Kline and IT Expert J.R. Carlson Presser Wednesday
    Exposing Mark Zuckerberg’s Dark Money Cash for Chaos
    By: Jim Hoft
    December 15, 2020, 8:04 pm
    article
    Attorney Phill Kline from the Amistad Project and IT expert J.R. Carlson announced they will be releasing a major report on Wednesday exposing Mark Zuckerberg’s dark money cash for chaos in the 2020 election.

    Kline will release his groundbreaking report exposing dark money in the election tomorrow at noon Eastern, at the Westin Arlington Gateway on Glebe Road, in Arlington, Virginia.

    According to Phill Kline’s announcement: The Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society is hosting a national press conference tomorrow to release a groundbreaking report exposing a dark money apparatus of 10 nonprofit organizations funded by five foundations whose intent was to fundamentally undermine the electoral system.

    This injection of hundreds of millions of dollars into the election — $500 million of which came from Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg — violated state election laws and resulted in an unequal distribution of funding that deprived voters of both due process and equal protection.
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    Crooked Media, Pod Save the World - Barack Obama, Worldo-in-Chief
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    Several more tweets/retweets on Bernard Kerik’s feed in the last several hours:

    Retweet by Bernard B. Kerik, Police Commissioner of the NYC Police Dept. - @BernardKerik



    https://twitter.com/BernardKerik/sta...46462739648515



    https://twitter.com/PhillDKline/stat...36454878588930


    https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/sta...33180393922562


    https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/st...35067323133952


    https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/st...04815658143745

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    “What we’re seeing here is the last act playing out…” ”…so I’ve known they were going to hijack this election since 2018.”
    HRC BOMBSHELL begins @ 33:00-43:00. If you prefer, read the 8 tweets on the thread here.

    https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/sta...40622950354944

    FIND THE BEAUTY IN THE CHAOS: BYRNE, BERGY & HRC BOMBSHELL
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    YouTube took the And We Know channel down a couple of months ago. His new channel is called, AWK News. Here’s his most recent vid from 12/13/20.

    Our COUNTRY tis of THEE?? or CHyN@'s? Starting to ALL make sense now!

    *Our AWK Website: https://www.andweknow.com/
    Uncensored VIDS: https://andweknow.tv/

    more links included in the video

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    Dark Journalist: United States vs The Deep State
    "NSAM 57 is to be activated now by the Trump administration through the pentagon stripping the CIA of its covert ability to do covert ops with the support of the Department of Defense which they can't do them without it. That particular national security action number end up being activated goes into effect now on January 5th. So we can see the timing with the senate raid out of the electoral votes and coordinating the new president which happens on January 20th, these things are all related and this is what we really need to be watching for.

    I can't say we know how it's going to work out. We don’t but I will say that there's too many things in motion for us to think of it as “Oh well, you know…they succeeded. They got Biden in.”

    Because any one of those cases I mean there's a lot of them and they would really blow the whole structure. Not just one individual out of the water. This is why the deep state is so nervous because their actions are getting undone. And if that gets undone, what happens to the Covid Op? And by extension what happens then to the UFO file Op? All of these things start to look like they are under threat all of a sudden. And so they can't have that happen. That’s why the media just shuts everything up."

    https://twitter.com/darkjournalist/s...45405605437448


    https://twitter.com/darkjournalist/s...15912600743936


    https://twitter.com/darkjournalist/s...20259984273408

    Pentagon weighs cutting most of its support to CIA's counterterrorism missions
    CIA counterterrorism missions rely on military for logistical support, personnel
    By: Luis Martinez
    December 10, 2020
    In a surprising move, the Pentagon has told the Central Intelligence Agency that it is weighing an end to the majority of the military support it provides to the agency's counterterrorism missions, according to a former senior administration intelligence official.

    It is unclear how the decision would impact the spy agency's worldwide counterterrorism missions that often rely on the U.S. military for logistical support and personnel.

    Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller sent a letter to CIA Director Gina Haspel outlining the possible decision, according to the former official, who characterized the action as both surprising and unprecedented.

    Miller’s letter asked that the CIA provide a response by Jan. 5, according to a DOD official.

    complete article/video
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    Quote Posted by Deborah (ahamkara) (here)
    I hav not followed the Q thread or info closely, but it appears now there is a hard deadline. If nothing happens between now and Christmas it was all much ado about nothing. If TSHTF, then batten down the hatches. We will soon know.
    Q has been identified a Baghdad Bob from the 2nd Gulf War. He escaped from secret confinement. But that's not important. What's important is the message: We are winning, even more so when we're losing! ;-)

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    Barr and vaccine are out! UA is hacked. Fake news wrong again on Trump & vaccine. Solar Winds CEO betrayed USA. Trump shows enemies his Army-Navy support at game. US military deploys to stop the infection - & Covid. The way ahead.
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    Well here is what the longtime Q-support 8kun system admin (who has been in the twitter news alot in last few days) thinks is happening:

    https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/stat...243505152?s=20




    I think the next few weeks will show whether the Q psyop

    (which in my view allowed a military and White House faction to bypass the mainstream media and try and wake up the populace to save the US from the final globalist/China-influenced takeover they were seeing from their classified military intelligence viewpoints)

    will have succeeded with Trump and the military doing what Q predicted (evidence and arrests, likely military tribunals) or will have failed due to Trump and his military support standing down / accepting the Steal.

    As many concerned Avalonians have expressed, this could get very chaotic and damaging for the US and its citizens but the alternative is to accept the loss of any and all Free Speech and other remaining freedoms and the US Republic.

    No way is this just another 4-year election that can be fixed later. It's now or never. Our corrupt, lying, mind-controlling media needs a major fix - that is part of the main reason why this may get so chaotic - much truth has been suppressed.

    In my current view.

    later:

    My spiritual-self viewpoint is that I incarnated during this period for a reason, and energetically supporting a 'great awakening' of the humans on earth to truth, true-history, and exposure of all that has been kept secret by the controllers, whoever or whatever they may be)

    so that we as a race can save humanity, the planet, and raise the energy to the higher levels required to support the next phase of human evolution.

    And I realize that there are hidden levels in play beyond just US politics here, but energetically for right now that's where I put my focus while supporting a major cleanup to our political class and systems.
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    Jeffrey Prather got me to thinking about EstherWarrior @believe_coach tweeting up a storm.

    Snippet from norman's "CYBERTRAGE!", by Jeffrey Prather @ 23:09
    “…the vaccine is voluntary even for the military. That’s not the point. The point is that Trump has deployed the military nationally and oconus (outside the continental U.S.) in support of the vaccine. So what's the least corrupt part of our corrupted and infiltrated government? It’s not federal law enforcement. It’s not it's not the intelligence community. It’s the military and really the DIA follows under the military.

    So the way to look at this is a counter to Covid 19. But what is primarily covet 19? Primarily it was a PsyOps operation. This is a counter PsyOps operation. If the vaccine is going to be out there in tens of millions of dosages then why do we still need to be shut down? We don’t. Why do we then need to be wearing masks? Biden says he's going to instigate 100 days of mask wearing. Why do we need that? We don’t. Why can't we gather and exercise our first amendment rights? We can. There's no reason for it any longer because the vaccines, the various vaccines, antidotes and solutions of prophylactics are out there.

    So then, why do electoral election officials have to distance? They don’t. That this is a strategic move to counter a bio weapon that was primarily for economic battle used for a psychological operations vector. That’s why the vaccine is important and that's why it's voluntary. Voluntary for the military but the other important strategic informational warfare of that is that everybody including …”




    https://twitter.com/believe_coach/st...70292367056899

    https://twitter.com/believe_coach/st...73936575541249

    https://twitter.com/believe_coach/st...76996823601155

    https://twitter.com/DeptofDefense/st...71954439655425
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    RE: Jeffrey Prather also brought up the China Parties List. ("CYBERTRAGE!" vid) EstherWarrior has a whole thread on that. Here's a portion:


    https://twitter.com/believe_coach/st...18655054749701

    A few more names - #3 Growing List of Gov friendly to China Flag of China:

    NY Cuomo
    OR Brown
    PA Wolfe
    RI Raimondo
    TN Lee
    TX Abbott
    UT Herbert
    VT Scott
    WA Inslee
    WI Evers
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    If anyone was in any doubt about Iran having nukes, I think this current deployment map tells us all we need to know. Russia doesn't seem to be a threat, yet (?)

    I don't think you should be too frightened about it. Not even China is stupid enough to do all this to inherit a cinder of a land. This is all about telling China to keep it's bloody nose out while America does some long overdue house work.
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    cross posting from my other post. needs to be seen and absorbed//


    THE AUDACITY OF THIS MAN TRUMP
    By E.P. UNUM
    December 13, 2020

    I’m still trying to understand what 80 million voters disliked about President Trump so much that they decided to cast their votes for a man who served forty-seven years in government and has done absolutely nothing for the American people. And, I’m still flabbergasted that those same people would vote for a woman to serve as Vice President, a heartbeat away from the Presidency, with a rather checkered and not so moral past. I wondered why they despised and hated President Trump so much.

    And so, I have many questions:
    Did you dislike that Trump made cruelty to animals a felony?

    Did you dislike he raised billions to stop the opioid crisis?

    Perhaps you feel that he destroyed ISIS, killed terrorists, including the leader of ISIS and the Iranian General responsible for thousands of American deaths, all without going to war?

    Did you dislike the fact that the media and democrats, Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg, Chris Cuomo, and Jim Acosta said we’d be in World War III by now with North Korea, and their prophecies did not come to pass?

    Did you dislike Trump because under his leadership we became energy-independent and an exporter rather than an importer of oil, no longer relying on the Middle East for our petroleum needs?

    Did you dislike him because he wanted to build a wall to keep criminals and drugs from coming into our country?

    Did you dislike him because he just slashed the price for medications in some cases by 50%, which is driving big Pharma nuts?

    Perhaps you dislike that he signed a law ending the gag-order on pharmacists that prevented them from sharing money-saving options on prescriptions?

    Is your dislike for President Trump based on the fact that he signed the Save Our Seas Act, which funds $10 million per year to clean tons of plastic and garbage from the ocean?

    Did you dislike that he signed a bill for airports to provide breastfeeding stations for nursing moms?

    How about the fact that he signed the biggest wilderness protection and conservation bill in a decade, designating 375,000 acres as protected land, was that why you dislike him?
    Did you dislike that he loves America and puts Americans first?

    Did you dislike that he made a gay man the ambassador to Germany and then asked him to clean up national security and un-classify as much of it as possible for transparency?

    Did you dislike that he’s kept almost every campaign promise (with zero support from Congress who work against him daily!) plus 100 more promises because Washington was much more broken than he or any of us thought?

    Do you dislike that he works for free, donating his entire $400,000 salary to different charities?

    Did you feel that he did this for four years because he was “showboating?”

    Do you dislike that he’s done more for the black community than every other President?

    Do you dislike that he listened to senator Scott and passed Invest In Opportunity Zones to help minorities?

    Do you dislike that he passed prison reform, which gives people a second chance and has made quite a huge difference for the black communities?

    Do you dislike that he passed VA reforms to benefit the very people who served our country and defend our freedom?

    Do you dislike that he’s winning and signing new trade deals that benefit Americans, instead of costing us more?

    Did you dislike him because, unlike all of the presidents who came before him, he recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel, relocated the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv there, and then proceeded to negotiate four peace accords between Israel and Arab Nations when many in the media were predicting there would be war? Was that why you disliked him?

    Do you dislike that he loves his flag and his country?

    Do you dislike that he calls out and has shown time and time again that the mainstream media in our country has become corrupt and incompetent, twisting the truth to control and mislead the people and he is trying to protect us from this?

    Do you dislike that he has been a President totally committed to ending wars and bringing our troops home?

    Perhaps you dislike the stern way he spoke, publically to NATO allies to step up and pay their commitments to defense rather than expecting America to do it for them, something we have done for over seventy-five years?

    Do you dislike that he has made a commitment to end child-trafficking and crimes against humanity and has made 1000’s of arrests already?

    Do you dislike he’s brought home over 40 Americans held captive, the last one from Iran?

    Do you dislike that he’s proven he was right about the Deep State and he was indeed spied on before, during, and after he became President?

    Do you dislike that he was a Billionaire before he ran for President and now is worth at least 1/3 less... because he loves America?

    Do you dislike that he respects cops, veterans, ICE & First Responders?

    Do you dislike that he does not sell out America to other countries, like the leaders prior to him have done?

    Could it be possible that the ones who sell out America to line their pockets own the media and Hollywood and hate him so much for trying to expose them and hate him for putting the American people first that they try to manipulate our thinking and control the information we get to try to cultivate hatred for him? These people benefit when you hate the man trying to stop them... so they won’t have to give up the wealth they have gotten and continue to get thru mass taxation and control. Wouldn’t you at least want to research this possibility?

    Could 75 million Americans already know the truth... that he has done more for blacks in the last 20 years than our last 5 presidents put together and is actually not a racist and never has been one… but you believe he is because it has been drilled into your head and yet you’ve never researched his accomplishments?

    You can start by watching those daily briefings he did during the lockdown (all online) and then watching the coverage on the Main Stream Media and how they twisted it.

    Do you actually believe the President encouraged America to inject bleach?

    Did you research the effects of UV light which is used to disinfect school busses and medical equipment and is also being used as a treatment for bacteria and respiratory infections? They want you to believe he is stupid because if you figure out that he isn’t, they will lose billions of dollars and all their control.
    I know... it is hard to let go of what you believed to be true for most of your life. You are not alone. But your blind hatred of this man who is literally trying to save us from the far left, radical Socialists is going to be detrimental to our country if you continue to support their hatred.

    They are teaching hatred and separation...to our children and even to our families! You are not allowed to agree with “part” of their agenda and think for yourself; you must repeat their full belief system, or name-calling and insults ensue.

    This is not an informed debate. It is not a reason. This is the very definition of a cult! All or nothing! They despise law and order. Just look around you. He supports law and order, not looting, rioting, and chaos, so we are safe and can live in a civilized society. He stands for unity and America first. Is that why you dislike him?

    You will be amazed at how much more peace comes into your life when you turn off the fake news and tune into what America stands for, where we focus on what unites us, not what divides us. The media has despised him from day one. Impeachment was on the table before he even took the oath of office in January 2017. They said Impeach the “motherfuc#^*r”....but then they turn around and say his rhetoric is bad? He was never given a chance, yet he’s done more in 4 years than any president with zero help from the media or democrats. Results don’t lie.

    The media and democrats consistently complain about Trump “mismanaging the Covid Crisis." Nothing could be further from the truth. The man has been a rock and his leadership has kept the nation from the abyss. He promised a vaccine before the end of 2020. They said it could not be done. He proved them wrong once again….doses of the vaccine are being delivered now in mid-December!

    He built hospitals in NYC and California, sent retrofitted Navy Hospital Ships which went unused, initiated Operation Warp Speed that produced PPE and therapeutics in record time along with thousands of ventilators, far more than we needed, and which are now being sent all over the world. And the overall death rate from Covid stands at less than one percent!

    How dare this man, the President of the United States, care so much about the American people and our Country. How dare he stand at attention and salute our Flag, support our troops, honor our veterans, put God back into our lives, protect the unborn, give people second chances and take seriously his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    How dare this man show up at 2:00 AM at Dover Air Force Base to welcome home hostages held in foreign lands and the remains of our fallen soldiers.

    How dare this man develop and implement plans and programs to create the greatest most prosperous economy and standard of living in the history of mankind.

    How dare he reduce unemployment to 3.4% and lower unemployment for Black, Asian and Hispanic communities in fifty years!

    You would think this man was trying to actually do things rather than speak eloquently and act “Presidential” and “Cool” about such things.

    How dare he!

    One would think this President was trying to provide leadership.

    How crass.

    The audacity of this man.

    You would think he is trying to be a leader or something

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    I am looking at Biden being sworn in as the “hard deadline”...but again, but it’s hard to know what is really happening.
    The next president is sworn in on the 1/20. There is NO PRESIDENT ELECT until Congress certifies it and they have not done that yet. The only deadline I have heard is 1/20. A lot of moves can happen before that.

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    Monkey Werx Overwatch SITREP 12.16.20

    Begins @ 2:57

    @ 9:47 - Report on the spa (Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp).

    @ 12:00 - Places and location that Monkeys believes are prison locations. He’s not seeing the supporting data on the Project Iceworm. He’s calling it a theory for now.

    @ 16:32 - Barr’s aircraft. Looks like someone has taken the key to his jet. His last flight was to Georgia.

    @ 17:44 - Marine traffic has ramped down west coast.

    @ 19:56 - East coast there’s normal navel activity. Nothing that is cause for alarm. Some are pumping out a bunch of disinfo that being attacked by the Chinese.

    @ 20:31 - Guantanamo Bay looks empty. Back to the east coast, it seems to be a hot spot of activity from south Florida all the way up the east coast. Monkey’s keeping an eye out. Activity has picked up of late.

    @ 22:06 - Guantanamo Bay Activity coming and going out of Africa to the Netherlands to Terciera Island. (potential prison) Check out @CodeMonkeyZ (aka former 8kun admin [resigned november 3, 2020]). He’s broadcasting about potential emergency events as well.

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    American Thought Leaders - Sidney Powell: 2020 Election Lawsuits, Supreme Court Decision & Gen. Michael Flynn Case [20201213]
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    Joining us today is attorney Sidney Powell, who has been leading election lawsuits in multiple states. On Friday, she filed emergency requests to the Supreme Court, asking the justices to order officials in Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona to de-certify their 2020 election results.
    We discuss the current status of the legal challenges she’s involved in and her thoughts on the Supreme Court’s rejection of the Texas lawsuit as well as the conclusion of the Flynn case.


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    Quote Posted by Deborah (ahamkara) (here)
    I am looking at Biden being sworn in as the “hard deadline”...but again, but it’s hard to know what is really happening.
    The next president is sworn in on the 1/20. There is NO PRESIDENT ELECT until Congress certifies it and they have not done that yet. The only deadline I have heard is 1/20. A lot of moves can happen before that.
    6 jan the electoral votes are counted by VP...that's the next hard date.
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
    Where are you?

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