Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

[samildamach]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?

Why be someone who hears information reported by government, professionals or experts in their field and then chooses to believe it is incorrect or purposefully misleading?

I dont want to be this. I don't want to burn up endless hours of my life being a person that thinks this way as some sort of game , hobby or addiction.

BUT RELIABLE INFORMATION IS IN A CRISIS.

How can we know? where can we find out? how can we be sure? There seems to always be an agenda, with spin to support that agenda

At hockey today our goalie, also a brain surgeon talked to me for half hour about the vaccine being safe and a good thing.
I can trust him. I know him for years. He got the phiezer jab , so did his entire family without hesitation. He said the benefits far out weigh any downside of getting covid or illness.

Any counterpoint i brought up he calmly dismissed as overblown hype bad news and incorrect.
I believe he believes this. Do I take this as sound advice from a professional? Just his opinion? Willfully steering me wrong? what?

We are all at each others throats today because we cannot get informed consent.

Are there any Doctors, medical people on this forum that would be willing to give an opinion, lend support that the vaccine being a good thing?

thanks, sorry if i seem a bit crazed, but I am.

I was following Mike yeadon the ex CEO of phizer,he had qualifications as long as your arm in the specific area.
He has now been cancelled lost lots of work,attempts to discredit him e.t.c.
His main point was that the stats and pcr test are flawed and the vacine is not a vacine in the true sense,its a experiment on a trusting public.
He never went out of the science never read into anything not there.he had to delete himself he just wasn't expecting what came for him

[Bubu]

Are we discussing whether to get a doubtful vaccine to avoid a virus that kills .001 percent of infected people?

[Merkaba360]

Vaccines and pharmaceuticals are part of the Artificial we must avoid. They are full of synthetic chemicals which are all toxins that the body must get rid of. The rule of thumb is to avoid unless necessary. People demand that you are vulnerable and weak as they think they are. They will scoff at you if you believe you and your body and energy are a powerful force that is more resilient than the average Joe.

Its scary that a brain surgeon makes such weak arguments. 'Overblown hype' is a ridiculous argument, that is more like arguing feelings. I could say the same of covid in general lol. Having to weigh pros vs cons is making his case weaker and uncertain. It should be a near flawless tech and if we have to weigh them against each other then its not a landslide win for the pros.

Being instantly so sure of himself is enough for me to dismiss him as being a mental prisoner. I can't really take anybody's opinions seriously if they aren't even able to see through the illusion of 'reality.' So, unless this guy understands this is a world of deception, it is a holographic illusion, and many other breakthrus we have accomplished - i'm sorry but I am more of an authority, because i am more conscious. Show me one scientist who has broken thru the illusion and supports the narrative with such strong certainty. Cuz I can communicate with those people. Those in the box have all these trigger knee jerk programs and can't handle talking about certain issues, etc.

In this country ~0 die from covid per day and 70 die on the road. Yet, Covid is 70 times more scary to them. lol It's amazing how good people are at surviving when they can't even make relative risk assessments. Nobody is doing anything about the deaths on the road, then should be for covid.

I don't really need to trust the data. The data and my senses both show that its a very low probability. I know that if i'm supposed to experience this planet longer, I won't die from covid, so i can laugh at it. I have no problem leaving this planet. I've already played chicken with life and the beings watching over me stepped in to protect me. This life is a huge challenge and its like showing up for a rough job everyday. They aren't going to let me retire and i'm guessing my soul wants this too. So, im free of worries.

What should worry people is the bully machine trying to cram this down our throats. Pretty sure that's an obvious tell

[RskikR]

Tell him to go and **** Himself!! He's just a dumbarse brain surgeon. Him drilling in your head is like me drilling into timber. I'm a carpenter!! He is ****in with Dynamite!

[TomKat]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
TomKat/ thats an opinion I happen to agree with you on, but still an opinion. No one knows. No one really knows.

Cosmored/ exactly , your point being my point. How is it that there is such a casm in the truth of this. There is no way to get a reliable unbiased bit of concreate fact and evidence on this. we are left on our own to believe this or that.

This is not a new phenomenon. Government-sponsored scientific consensus has replaced evidence. Coast radio sometimes has global warming sceptics on, but they cannot find anyone to debate them. The only argument needed by the Al Gore types is "a consensus of scientists say..." -- not mentioning that these scientists have to say that to keep their jobs. The same situation pertains to covid and, in the future, might pertain to a "fact" such as "only conspiracy theorist extremists disbelieve the government, they are not redeemable, and they have to be rounded up and dealt with."

[TomKat]

Posted by RskikR (here)
Tell him to go and **** Himself!! He's just a dumbarse brain surgeon. Him drilling in your head is like me drilling into timber. I'm a carpenter!! He is ****in with Dynamite!

Surgeons are the WORST allopathic medicine has to offer. They are mechanics, and have not a shred of holistic understanding of the body.

[thepainterdoug]

Tom Kat, thanks that may be true. But I'm an artist musician and just by accident, I assume he knows more about the body and medicine than me. Then again , i could be wrong! lol

This post is mainly about the frustration of this very thing here, who has information that is reliable?

If you asked me about paint, canvas, various approaches to realism, or composing a song, since I do this, I would hope all could trust what I share as true information, not style ,interpretation and aesthetics , but the mechanics of it all, because this is my world and I do it. Car mechanic, plumber and so on.

there is no way to organize or galvanize a population without an informed consent. We are like a beehive that was whacked with a branch and then smoked.

Everyone here at Avalon is awake to this but we are a minority. What news or information source today is the gold standard? Perhaps there never was one

[Gracy]

Unfortunately, often times information stemming from alternative media, is no more reliable than mainstream media. For instance, there was a time here when “Shane The Ruiner” was considered reliable information. And for years now we’ve had varying promises of mass arrests and such, how reliable has that proven so far?

All I’m saying is that dis, or mis information, can just as easily come from sources we like, as from sources we love to scorn.

[thepainterdoug]

True Gracie May

we all look out our own window. We see the world thru our lens , with a pre determined point of view. Not set in stone but certainly there. So we all tend to seek out info that supports our world view.

This is all very different than being an actual witness to an event, or even being part of that event. And even that will have variations in recall for each participant

life is a madhouse! so at the end of the day, my instinct and intuition be my guide

[yelik]

Being mindful of history and the big Agenda 21/2030 helps keep us on the right side of logic.

We appear to be going through an new era of control where macro, micro and nano technology agendas and are being brought together

The elite destroyers invert the truth so we trust puppet governments at our own peril.

History tells us Governments cannot be trusted – they used doctors to portray smoking as healthy, that asbestos was harmless, that the polio vaccine was safe, that aliens do not exist, that this revolutionary mRNA / DNA editing synthetic vaccine is safe – that transhumanism is inevitable - game never ends

We are experiencing an era of orchestrated problems, deception and fear which weakens and programs the mass mind belief systems. We are effectively enslaving ourselves through stupidity

Project Mocking Bird and the Roshamon effect has created the mother of confusion viruses causing irrational and disturbing behaviour where we are at war with ourselves

In my opinion I would be stupid and irresponsible to trust the science and rational of governments and big corporates who are one in the same. Most doctors are paid to operate within the bounds of their limited medical training - the Rockefeller Foundation

The technocrats are lying to us about true science - a healthy mind and body is the best virology lab money can buy

[thepainterdoug]

Yelik

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[Constance]

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[Gracy]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
we all look out our own window. We see the world thru our lens , with a pre determined point of view. Not set in stone but certainly there. So we all tend to seek out info that supports our world view.

Absolutely, that's confirmation bias.

- Confirmation bias is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their existing beliefs or hypotheses.

- Confirmation bias happens when a person gives more weight to evidence that confirms their beliefs and undervalues evidence that could disprove it.

- People display this bias when they gather or recall information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way.

- The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs.

- Confirmation Bias is the tendency to look for information that supports, rather than rejects, one’s preconceptions, typically by interpreting evidence to confirm existing beliefs while rejecting or ignoring any conflicting data (American Psychological Association).

https://www.simplypsychology.org/confirmation-bias.html

We're all guilty of it, to varying degrees, but it's certainly one of those things that once we're aware of it's presence, it's something to be watchful for and catch it when we can.

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
life is a madhouse! so at the end of the day, my instinct and intuition be my guide

Well everyone has their method. I do that to some degree, but more so I follow the track record of the varying sources of information out there. My respect for mainstream sources is at an all time low, because of piss poor track records, but my perspective of alternative sources of information is a rough equivalent for the same reason.

I see "Mockingbird" being tossed around a lot concerning mainstream sources, and for very good reasons, but I often wonder why alternative sources are seldom suspected of the same influence.

Maybe that brings us full circle. The ones we agree with, the ones that confirm our world view, are not suspected; while the ones we disagree with, that do not confirm our world view, just might be suspect...

[thepainterdoug]

GracieMay

I have always said, we have met the enemy and he is us. The problem is with the human Being itself.

But I believe its as it should be. Like all the diversity in races, ethnicities, religions, truths, lying, cheating ,triumphs, successes and grandeur , all is as it should be.

And we need to navigate it. Make the best of it. Dont ask me why

[Bubu]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
True Gracie May

we all look out our own window. We see the world thru our lens , with a pre determined point of view. Not set in stone but certainly there. So we all tend to seek out info that supports our world view.

This is all very different than being an actual witness to an event, or even being part of that event. And even that will have variations in recall for each participant

life is a madhouse! so at the end of the day, my instinct and intuition be my guide

agree . But if we stuff our brains with so much info it tends to cover the intuition so that we cannot access it with clarity. Einstein said. " the essence of the genius is knowing what to ignore" I'm just a trying hard genius not a real one. My brains can not connect 30 dots accurately so I settle for three most reliable ones , That's my senses, common sense included. The conclusion from this I use, like a constitution, to connect a bigger set of dots and so on until I am able to see the big picture.

[BoR]

I have come to the conclusion reliable info is hard to find in the mainstream as well as in the alternative world. I also have come to the conclusion that just like history is written by the winner (conqueror):

Truth is written by the winner/conqueror.

Truth is not purely objective. Not in media, not in science, not in alternative viewpoints.

Truth is established with the following in mind: financial benefits, power, survival instinct, a desire to fit in or belong, a desire to lead, a desire to be lead. These concepts and urges cloud the objective establishing of what is true.

And then came quantum physics basically questioning the very existence of objective reality.

The world is a dream and we are the dreamers. Convinced it is all very real and we know the truth. Until we become aware and start the lucid dreaming. That is when the fun truly begins....

[Bubu]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
GracieMay

I have always said, we have met the enemy and he is us. The problem is with the human Being itself.

But I believe its as it should be. Like all the diversity in races, ethnicities, religions, truths, lying, cheating ,triumphs, successes and grandeur , all is as it should be.

And we need to navigate it. Make the best of it. Dont ask me why

Agree#2, And I could guess accurately that our best tools for navigation are our own senses. I have no desire to be in the debate game. I just do what I feel I wanted to do because for me its how the universe communicate to me and that's it. Settle down knowing that our universe, WE, "like corks toss about by the waves". will be as it should be.
Chill out Painter, they are losing. How did I know? one, I have never seen a huge percent of people in our country wake up to the fact that government, media, WHO our health department is lying to them. I have talk to people, read comments on DOH Philippines FB and other media forum. that's a reliable info for me. two the vaccine is failing. If they want to kill 7B people its either they vaccinate them all at once (impossible) or have the vaccine take effect on a later date when all people been vaccinated. Like 6 months or maybe a year. What's happening? vaccinated people gets visible ill the next day or week then starts dying in one or two weeks. That's definitely going to scare the rats away. In our country alone I have never met one in person who wants to get a vaccine. Even those that believes in vaccine has adopted a wait and see because according to them it was rush into making and because of the infamous dengvaxia that kills thousands of people in our country alone. Now the government personnel through bribery is going to continue to impose the restrictions until they have decided that they had more than enough what they can spend for their lifetime. With a lot of pressure coming from the people that could be sooner than later.

Good that you can still play hockey, I could no longer go to the beach to swim. Or play basketball. Bored stages normally gets me back to forums, this is the nicest place to meet and talk to extremely nice people.

[amor]

Take what these murderers have devised for you and published what they will do to you years ago and you will be guilty of committing suicide and by example murdering other ignorant fools. These people are MURDERERS and deserve their own medicine period.

[Dreamer148]

The WHO has changed its definition of what is "herd immunity".

So why would the WHO do this. Obviously to make the vaccine appear more acceptable to the general public. After all the phenomenon of herd immunity has been know for many, many years, so why change it now?

A GP friend of my wife's sent her this comment.

"WHO Changed Definition of Herd Immunity
Many have wondered if vaccination would even be necessary if widespread herd immunity were achieved naturally. Your immune system isn’t designed to get vaccines. It’s designed to work in response to exposure to an infectious agent. But apparently, according to WHO, that’s no longer the case.

In June 2020, WHO’s definition of herd immunity, posted on one of their COVID-19 Q&A pages, was in line with the widely accepted concept that has been the standard for infectious diseases for decades. Here’s what it originally said, courtesy of the Internet Archive’s Wayback machine:19

“Herd immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection.”

In October 2020, here’s their updated definition of herd immunity, which is now “a concept used for vaccination”:20

“‘Herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached. Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it.

Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but — crucially — vaccines work without making us sick. Vaccinated people are protected from getting the disease in question and passing it on, breaking any chains of transmission.”

This perversion of science implies that the only way to achieve herd immunity is via vaccination, which is blatantly untrue. The startling implications for society, however, is that by putting out this false information, they’re attempting to change your perception of what’s true and not true, leaving people believing that they must artificially manipulate their immune systems as the only way to stay safe from infectious disease."

[palehorse]

Posted by BoR (here)
I have come to the conclusion reliable info is hard to find in the mainstream as well as in the alternative world. I also have come to the conclusion that just like history is written by the winner (conqueror):

Truth is written by the winner/conqueror.

Truth is not purely objective. Not in media, not in science, not in alternative viewpoints.

Truth is established with the following in mind: financial benefits, power, survival instinct, a desire to fit in or belong, a desire to lead, a desire to be lead. These concepts and urges cloud the objective establishing of what is true.

And then came quantum physics basically questioning the very existence of objective reality.

The world is a dream and we are the dreamers. Convinced it is all very real and we know the truth. Until we become aware and start the lucid dreaming. That is when the fun truly begins....

There is no "I" in the process, no self.
Yes, this world is an illusion, I see it as a passage, better not get attached or identified to anything.