Avoiding the Experimental Vaccine

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by janette (here)
I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔

The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

The question to pose is this:

Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?

The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

[Brigantia]

Posted by janette (here)
I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔

My heart breaks for you Janette; great advice from Bill. I've heard the same from my best friend with an 18 year old daughter at uni; she's getting it because everyone else is getting it.

On peer pressure, I can hear the voice of my dear mother when I was a kid - "If everyone else was jumping off a cliff, would you do so too?".

What makes me mad is so many people asking you if you've had the vaxx, it seems such a normal topic of conversation to them. It's none of their business!!

[janette]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by janette (here)
I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔

The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

The question to pose is this:

Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?

The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

Thank you Bill 💖..yes I was thinking of asking her to wait . She's coming home next Sat ,taking a gap year. Maybe a face to face chat is better. I want to send her the video interview with Mike yeardon ,he's done a few I think. Can't seem to find any on threads xx

[Tintin]

Posted by janette (here)

Thank you Bill 💖..yes I was thinking of asking her to wait . She's coming home next Sat ,taking a gap year. Maybe a face to face chat is better. I want to send her the video interview with Mike yeardon ,he's done a few I think. Can't seem to find any on threads xx

Janette: I've some more Mike Yeadon material to put in the library including the two most recent ones (with Del Bigtree and one other.)

If you wait a couple hours or so those will be in there but there are videos/audio with him already in the library, just so you know

[Bill Ryan]

The 8 minute video with Dr Byram Bridle is really pretty good as well. He's NOT an anti-vaxxer. He just states that this one is way all wrong (and dangerous), and explains exactly why.

What may be most helpful is something short and self-contained — not a drawn-out hour and a half discussion.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nuM0G6PqgwIK


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/nuM0G6PqgwIK

[Tintin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The 8 minute video with Dr Byram Bridle is really pretty good as well. He's NOT an anti-vaxxer. He just states that this one is way all wrong (and dangerous), and explains exactly why.

What may be most helpful is something short and self-contained — not a drawn-out hour and a half discussion.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nuM0G6PqgwIK


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/nuM0G6PqgwIK

And I can really recommend as well his 15 minute or so Covid-19 Symposium presentation. He's a viral immunologist to boot who is involved in vaccine development. Both what Bill has posted here, which is excellent by the way, and that symposium are shortlisted for library inclusion.

[EarthGirl]

I'll add this one from Dr Andrew Kaufman explaining how it's all a fraud,

Heartfelt Hugs Janette x


https://www.shadowcitizen.online/ind...-md-3-17-2021/

[wondering]

Janette, I PM'd you, but I am happy to hear about the gap year...being away from the peer pressure may be the best possible thing....🤞🤞🤞🤞

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by EarthGirl (here)
I'll add this one from Dr Andrew Kaufman explaining how it's all a fraud,

Heartfelt Hugs Janette x

Actually — if I may! — I disagree. Here's why.

Andrew Kaufman may or may not be right in his views, but it's VERY VERY likely to be way too much for any pro-vaxxer to accept or even consider. That's why I recommended Byram Bridle, who's a vaccinologist and stands by the efficacy of all vaccines — except for this one. That means it's far far easier for anyone who's pro-vaxx not to dismiss him out of hand.

(Dr Geert Vanden Bossche is another who is similar, but he's very wordy and his interviews are quite long.)

You gotta go at this little by little. You can't go sledgehammering people with depopulation agendas, bioweapons, evil cabalists, and "there-are-no-viruses-anyway". No-one will listen! It's just a matter of pragmatism.

You introduce them to an intelligent regular doctor, who's clearly a likeable, reasonable person, saying he's changed his views and is very alarmed. (Dr Charles Hoffe, a family doctor in Lytton BC, is another, highly recommended.)

Then let them think about that, and if they want to hear more, then you go to the next small step. Mike Adams, David Icke, Alex Jones or Clif High would be kinda at the very very end of the long list.

[EarthGirl]

I agree Bill No problem, honestly thanks for your thoughts, that's exactly what I would have written myself a few months back

But 'They' aren't going any slower with their agenda, in fact they are about to 'railroad' us ALL ... Folks I'm sorry if this is all a bit too much to take in, but what he said resonated with me and he made a point of not making it too 'technical' to understand.
So even a veritable 'layman' such as myself could understand what he was saying x

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by EarthGirl (here)
I'll add this one from Dr Andrew Kaufman explaining how it's all a fraud,

Heartfelt Hugs Janette x

Actually — if I may! — I disagree. Here's why.

Andrew Kaufman may or may not be right in his views, but it's VERY VERY likely to be way too much for any pro-vaxxer to accept or even consider. That's why I recommended Byram Bridle, who's a vaccinologist and stands by the efficacy of all vaccines — except for this one. That means it's far far easier for anyone who's pro-vaxx not to dismiss him out of hand.

(Dr Geert Vanden Bossche is another who is similar, but he's very wordy and his interviews are quite long.)

You gotta go at this little by little. You can't go sledgehammering people with depopulation agendas, bioweapons, evil cabalists, and "there-are-no-viruses-anyway". No-one will listen! It's just a matter of pragmatism.

You introduce them to an intelligent regular doctor, who's clearly a likeable, reasonable person, saying he's changed his views and is very alarmed. (Dr Charles Hoffe, a family doctor in Lytton BC, is another, highly recommended.)

Then let them think about that, and if they want to hear more, then you go to the next small step. Mike Adams, David Icke, Alex Jones or Clif High would be kinda at the very very end of the long list.

[Anna70]

I just learned from the thread about MTHFR mutations, that a great many people carry these, and as a result (amongst many other things) their body's ability to detox is compromised. It would seem to me that this would make them extra vulnerable to the contents of the jabs.

[janette]

Posted by Tintin (here)

Posted by janette (here)

Thank you Bill 💖..yes I was thinking of asking her to wait . She's coming home next Sat ,taking a gap year. Maybe a face to face chat is better. I want to send her the video interview with Mike yeardon ,he's done a few I think. Can't seem to find any on threads xx

Janette: I've some more Mike Yeadon material to put in the library including the two most recent ones (with Del Bigtree and one other.)

If you wait a couple hours or so those will be in there but there are videos/audio with him already in the library, just so you know

Massive thanks Tintin x

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Posted by EarthGirl (here)
I agree Bill No problem, honestly thanks for your thoughts, that's exactly what I would have written myself a few months back

But 'They' aren't going any slower with their agenda, in fact they are about to 'railroad' us ALL ... Folks I'm sorry if this is all a bit too much to take in, but what he said resonated with me and he made a point of not making it too 'technical' to understand.
So even a veritable 'layman' such as myself could understand what he was saying x

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by EarthGirl (here)
I'll add this one from Dr Andrew Kaufman explaining how it's all a fraud,

Heartfelt Hugs Janette x

Actually — if I may! — I disagree. Here's why.

Andrew Kaufman may or may not be right in his views, but it's VERY VERY likely to be way too much for any pro-vaxxer to accept or even consider. That's why I recommended Byram Bridle, who's a vaccinologist and stands by the efficacy of all vaccines — except for this one. That means it's far far easier for anyone who's pro-vaxx not to dismiss him out of hand.

(Dr Geert Vanden Bossche is another who is similar, but he's very wordy and his interviews are quite long.)

You gotta go at this little by little. You can't go sledgehammering people with depopulation agendas, bioweapons, evil cabalists, and "there-are-no-viruses-anyway". No-one will listen! It's just a matter of pragmatism.

You introduce them to an intelligent regular doctor, who's clearly a likeable, reasonable person, saying he's changed his views and is very alarmed. (Dr Charles Hoffe, a family doctor in Lytton BC, is another, highly recommended.)

Then let them think about that, and if they want to hear more, then you go to the next small step. Mike Adams, David Icke, Alex Jones or Clif High would be kinda at the very very end of the long list.

Thank you Earthgirl x

[janette]

Posted by Brigantia (here)

Posted by janette (here)
I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔

My heart breaks for you Janette; great advice from Bill. I've heard the same from my best friend with an 18 year old daughter at uni; she's getting it because everyone else is getting it.

On peer pressure, I can hear the voice of my dear mother when I was a kid - "If everyone else was jumping off a cliff, would you do so too?".

What makes me mad is so many people asking you if you've had the vaxx, it seems such a normal topic of conversation to them. It's none of their business!!

Thank you Brigantia..I've got myself together and am being proactive and sending her videos (not bombarding her though). I love being the awkward bugger at work who am the only one who hasn't had it. I do keep getting asked which I agree it isn't any of their business but I just say I'm not getting it as I don't trust it and even less the people who made it.xx

[Bassplayer1]

Boy, I'm annoyed!

My husband is having his second Pfizer shot tomorrow. He was chatting to a group of his professor colleagues and they were all laughing and bragging about how ill they were after the first shot - one guy said he felt so ill his wife was going to take him to hospital! They also said that because my husband didn't have symptoms after his first shot, he'll be really ill after the second. The whole thing is truly F@#$ed! The tone in their voices was almost like admiration and envy - one-upmanship. I'm not annoyed at him but his thoughtless friends.

This is absolutely not funny. It's horrifying! These are middle-aged and older 'academics' 'intellectuals' that seem to have something missing in their Commie brains. They're behaving like its some initiation rite-of-passage thing that kids do. I cannot believe older adults doing the teenage peer thing and it isn't funny or anything to brag about. People really are getting ill and dying!

I'm not happy about this and can only ask the Universe to protect him. I will also do what I can. It's sad that on this issue he listens to his friends/colleagues (I guess because they're academics and it gives them credibility) rather than me.

My husband and I had a disagreement about the jab over the weekend. He said to me "I won't force you to have the vaccine. The government will do that." This is disturbing. This is so wrong. The fact that he didn't even think about Government intervention being sinister and wrong. The irony is he's been fighting the system all his adult life ... until now! As I say, I'm not annoyed with him, and in this instance I'll keep quiet because if he's having another jab, I want to keep our home calm, happy and stress free. I want to help keep the frequency high.

Sorry for the rant!

I know there's a thread here about supporting those who have had the jab, but also, I think its equally as important for those of us who are un-jabbed but have partners who are jabbed to have support too!

Thank you for your patience and for 'listening.'

[Bassplayer1]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by janette (here)
I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔

The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

The question to pose is this:

Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?

The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

This is lovely, sound advice Bill. Thank you. I guess this is invaluable. not only as a thoughtful way of talking things through with our loved ones and folk ready to get jabbed, but also, what you've expressed is helpful for those of us un-jabbed who have to navigate the awkward and frankly horrible "Which vaccine did you get?" conversation. This is something we can raise in our defence.

Janette, perhaps you could gently talk to your daughter about Eric Clapton and his thoughts on his daughters getting jabbed and infertility. Isn't it that the spike protein is nearly identical to a protein that helps attach the fetus to the womb lining? I'm sure I read that earlier on.

[Franny]

If people haven't had the jab, this will convince some to run, not walk, to their nearest vax center with a huge smile. Others will simply cringe and turn it off as quickly as possible with a sigh of relief.

Where do they find grown up, mature adults that will do this, and how much do they have to pay to get them to sign up for it?

[Anna70]

Why are all these pro-jab song videos so incredibly creepy? Brrrrr.....

[Brigantia]

Posted by Franny (here)
If people haven't had the jab, this will convince some to run, not walk, to their nearest vax center with a huge smile. Others will simply cringe and turn it off as quickly as possible with a sigh of relief.

Where do they find grown up, mature adults that will do this, and how much do they have to pay to get them to sign up for it?

Oh, that is so cringeworthy... if they dressed up as daleks and sang "Exterminate", it would be closer to the truth.

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by janette (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by janette (here)
I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔

The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

The question to pose is this:

Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?

The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

Thank you Bill 💖..yes I was thinking of asking her to wait . She's coming home next Sat ,taking a gap year. Maybe a face to face chat is better. I want to send her the video interview with Mike yeardon ,he's done a few I think. Can't seem to find any on threads xx

The 'highwire' with Del BigTree is a solid production, and he has a channel on Bitchute which you can subscribe to and browse many topics concerning SARS-Cov2 and the Vaccine: this one is a couple of weeks old from Mike Yeadon, Mike is interviewed regularly on this Highwire show:
Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/8KLmLNzkVD2k/

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Because of the particular interest I have in Ireland, I looked up in detail what was mentioned in the post below (post #204 from April 14th).

My conclusion is that this was only "true" for a period of two weeks, which ended on May 4th.

Of course, what was "temporary" can well become permanent at another time. Still, I have no idea how this would be implemented or "controlled".

While good information is needed, we should also keep the details in mind I think.

Citation, commencement and operation
1. (1) These Regulations may be cited as the Health Act 1947 (Section 31A
- Temporary Restrictions) (Covid-19) Regulations 2021.
(2) These Regulations, other than Regulations 12(3), 13(2)(h) and 13(3),
shall come into operation on the 12th day of April 2021 and shall have effect
for the period beginning on that date and ending on the 4th day of May 2021.
(3) Regulations 12(3), 13(2)(h) and 13(3) shall come into operation on the
19th day of April 2021 and shall have effect for the period beginning on that
date and ending on the 4th day of May 2021.


From post #204:

There is a rumour that Ireland has passed a law which will criminalise unvaccinated people mixing with vaccinated people in their own homes


@Rainbowandsteel
Ireland passed a law which will criminalise unvaccinated people mixing with vaccinated people in their own homes https://gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-v...d-19-pandemic/
10:49 pm · 13 Apr 2021


I don't follow Irish politics, but saw this on twitter. Does anyone follow Irish politics closely enough to know if this is true?

Somebody asked them to clarify their tweet in the comments and they responded with this:
Go to the S.I. No. 168 doc - go to pages 11-13, various restrictions eg "the event is attended only by vaccinated persons"
source: comment tweet

I suspect it is true, but there's always hoping it's not