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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Sam Harris, a famous neurologist who has much to say about the nature of consciousness, has been contacted by someone in government, possibly CIA and/or Naval Intelligence, requested help on disclosing the UFO/UAP phenomena:

    Quote I’ve received some private outreach, and perhaps you have, I know other people in our orbit have, people who are claiming that the government has known much more about UFOs than they have let on until now, and this conversation is actually about to become more prominent, and … whoever is left standing when the music stops, it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in as a super rigorous scientific skeptic who’s been saying there’s no there there for the last 75 years.”

    “It sounds like the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Pentagon are very likely to say to Congress at some point in the not-too-distant future that we have evidence that there is technology flying around here that seems like it can’t possibly be of human origin, all right? Now, I don’t know what I’m going to do with that kind of disclosure … [t]hat is such a powerfully strange circumstance to be in, right? What are we going to do with that, if in fact that’s what happens? If, in fact, the considered opinions — despite the embarrassment it causes them — of the U.S. government … and all the relevant intelligence services is that this isn’t a hoax, there’s too much data to suggest it’s a hoax, there’s too much radar imagery, there’s too much satellite data, whatever data they actually have, there’s too much of it, all we can say now is something is going on and there is no way it’s the Chinese or the Russians or anyone else’s technology. That should arrest our attention collectively to a degree that nothing in our lifetime has, and one worries that we’re so jaded and confused and distracted that it’ll get much less coverage than, you know, Obama’s tan suit did a bunch of years ago. Who knows how we’ll respond to it?”

    “This is probably premature to even talk about this, but I’ve had someone reach out to me and has assured me that I’m going to be on a Zoom call with, you know, former heads of the CIA and Office of Naval Research and people whose bona fide are very easy to track, and they’re concerned about the messaging around all of this to the public, and dampening down panic and conspiracy theories. But the … what is being promised here is a disclosure that is frankly, either the most alarming or the most interesting thing in the world, depending on how you take it, but it’s not a representation of the facts that will give scientific skeptics any comfort, and that’s just … we’re faced with the prospect of having to apologize to the people we’ve been laughing at for the last fifty years who have been alleging that they’ve been abducted or that cattle have been anally probed, pick your punch line.”
    Full article at https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-t...e-3cebb3d7baa1
    Why didn't they contact someone else who already has credibility and standing within the UFO community? Sam Harris is not someone I would have any faith in. As someone said in the comments section of his video..

    "The arch skeptic himself is waking up to it. Times are changing".

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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Quote Posted by TelosianEmbrace (here)
    Why didn't they contact someone else who already has credibility and standing within the UFO community?
    Because that would give the UFO community credibility within the main stream media viewership. It's the same reason "they" replaced "UFO" with "UAP." "They" want the world to have "their" version of what UFO is about.

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    Why didn't they contact someone else who already has credibility and standing within the UFO community?
    Because that would give the UFO community credibility within the main stream media viewership. It's the same reason "they" replaced "UFO" with "UAP." "They" want the world to have "their" version of what UFO is about.
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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Mod note from Bill:

    Friends, this is a broad-based subject which absolutely warrants opinion and speculation. What I've done just now is split the thread by moving some of the posts to a new one, which I've called (for the moment!) UAP Disclosure comments and opinions.

    That leave this one for more critical updates, some of which — we hope! — might be coming pretty soon. On this thread we'll include important commentary, video and articles on the entire thing from such as Steven Greer, Grant Cameron, John Greenewald, Daniel Sheehan, Rich Dolan, Daniel Liszt, Luis Elizondo, Chris Mellon, et al. (And also from the mainstream media, of course.)

    We all might have much to say about all this, for very good reason. But if anything feels that it might be too speculative or not directly related, please do add your contributions to the new thread instead.

    Important notes:
    • No-one at all is out of order here. We're just trying to be good librarians and housekeepers, with the thread becoming pretty long and complicated — and we've not even seen the promised formal report yet, OR Steven Greer's video which may be both interesting and relevant.
    • Moving posts was pretty difficult. Zero offense is intended to anyone, and I may have well made a few misjudgments. As explained above, the intention is to preserve this original thread (now renamed UAP is heating up to some kind of 'disclosure') for updates and comments directly related to the imminent report and its implications.
    • I kept the term 'UAP' in both thread titles (much as I totally dislike it!) because it mirrors the topic as is addressed in the forthcoming report and in all the mainstream media.

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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Friends, this is a broad-based subject which absolutely warrants opinion and speculation. What I've done just now is split the thread by moving some of the posts to a new one,
    Thank you Bill. I felt we were really having very different conversations going on there, and this should make it easier to stay focused.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan
    I kept the term 'UAP' in both thread titles (much as I totally dislike it!) because it mirrors the topic as is addressed in the forthcoming report and in all the mainstream media.
    I also cringe at "UAP", but I think it should focus us on the topic here. I know the term has been around for a while, but I think it's use became popular because of this remark on late night TV:

    Quote You know, there’s a new name ... It’s unexplained aerial phenomenon ... U.A.P., That’s the latest nomenclature.”
    That would be Hillary Clinton on the Jimmy Kimmel show in 2016. If find the "latest nomenclature" remark to be particularly revealing words. "Nomenclature" implies that there are people studying the phenomena and exchanging ideas and have come up with some agreed upon terminology. Whose "nomenclature" was suddenly using "UAP" over "UFO"? It wasn't being used at MUFON conferences or Contact in the Desert or GAIA TV programs or by Ufologists on Youtube?

    This is Hillary Clinton basically saying that there are insiders studying the phenomena, on taxpayer dollars, but not letting the taxpayers know about it. And she's also boasting that she's part of that elite secretive group. (This was during her '16 Presdential run. She didn't get the UFO vote.)

    And that to me is what the thread is about - those elite secretive insiders that are trying to both withhold and divulge knowledge of UFOs/UAPs and the fact that they are aware of it. Not an easy thing to do, even with all the immense political power and media influence these people have. UAP is heating up and could burst into flames and it will be interesting to see who gets burned and how the flames are put out.

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    The UFO (no use of "UAP" here) issue now heats up on TMZ, a site that focusing on news stories with much sensationalism, especially stories about Hollywood celebrities. Tennessee Congressman talks to a TMZ interviewer, and also mentions JFK assassination records as other disclosure we should be looking for.


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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Thanks Bill for sorting out this long thread. I could see it was getting off topic in recent times.
    It was difficult to focus on issues with many other digressing subjects that weren't related to the topic.
    Having the new thread fits a lot for those valuable discussions.

    The timing is important now as we are very close to the release of the 'REPORT' and the aftermath.
    As Chris mentioned "UAP is heating up and could burst into flames"
    So the thread may extend further beyond the culmination point that's coming up in a few days.
    Its going to be a fascinating period of whatever comes out.

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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Quote Posted by TelosianEmbrace (here)
    Why didn't they contact someone else who already has credibility and standing within the UFO community?
    Because that would give the UFO community credibility within the main stream media viewership. It's the same reason "they" replaced "UFO" with "UAP." "They" want the world to have "their" version of what UFO is about.
    Alternatively, the UFO community are already far enough down the road that they're not too worried about their response. Sam Harris's audience is slightly different. He's written extensively on atheism, but also the nature of consciousness and he's long been an advocate of meditation. Couple that with a podcast which has featured many heavy hitters from science and philosophy and he likely has the ear of many influential and intelligent but in many ways conservative listeners.

    If I was trying to manage the impact of a story like UAP, then this would be a very significant crowd to reach and Sam Harris would be precisely the kind of person, amongst others, that I'd be reaching out to in an effort to prepare the ground in whatever way was possible.

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    Looks like the threat narrative is indeed heating up, at least on Capitol Hill. The last big threat narrative we received was COVID-19. How much faith did that inspire in people that government was going to protect us???

    ‘Something’s going on’: UFOs threaten national security, US politicians warn
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...urity-concerns
    Some members of Congress were given advanced details about Pentagon report, which is scheduled to be released before 25 June
    Adam Gabbatt Thu 17 Jun 2021 11.27 EDT

    A group of senior American politicians have warned that UFOs pose “national security concerns” after getting a confidential briefing on a highly anticipated report on unidentified aerial phenomena that is set to be released later this month.

    Some members of Congress were given advanced details about the contents of the Pentagon report, which is scheduled to be released before 25 June, and several said they are deeply worried about the findings.

    The woman who forced the US government to take UFOs seriously
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    “Clearly, something’s going on that we can’t handle,” Tim Burchett, a Republican congressman from Tennessee, told TMZ.

    In recent years a series of government videos showing unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAPs – the ufology community’s preferred term – have been released, including footage from a navy F-18 fighter jet which showed an oblong object flying through the sky near San Diego in 2004.

    This April photos and videos taken by navy personnel were leaked online, showing triangular-shaped objects buzzing in the sky, and in May leaked military footage showed an oval flying object near a navy ship in San Diego – an apparent UAP hotspot.

    “We take the issue of unexplained aerial phenomena seriously to the extent that we’re dealing with the safety and security of US military personnel or the national security interests of the United States, so we want to know what we’re dealing with,” Sean Patrick Maloney, a Democratic congressman from New York, told the New York Post.

    “I think it’s important to understand that there are legitimate questions involving the safety and security of our personnel, and in our operations and in our sensitive activities, and we all know that there’s [a] proliferation of technologies out there,” he continued. “We need to understand the space a little bit better.”

    Last week Luis Elizondo, the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, told the Washington Post that UAPs posed a serious threat.

    “In this country we’ve had incidents where these UAPs have interfered and actually brought offline our nuclear capabilities,” he said.

    “We also have data suggesting that in other countries these things have interfered with their nuclear technology and actually turned them on, put them online.”

    One theory is that UAPs could be advanced Chinese or Russian aircraft, but Burchett dismissed that in his TMZ interview.

    “I think that’s ridiculous. If the Russians had UFO technology, they would own us right now,” he said. “It has to be something that’s, that’s out of our galaxy, it just has to be, if it is in fact is real.”

    Elizondo also dismissed those suggestions.

    “We are quite convinced that we’re dealing with a technology that is multigenerational, several generations ahead of what we consider next generation technology, so what we would consider beyond next generation technology,” Elizondo told the Post. “Something that could be anywhere between 50 to 1,000 years ahead of us.”

    The flurry of recent videos and the imminent release of the report has ignited an excitement around unidentified flying craft that has not been seen for decades. Barack Obama even weighed in, telling CBS recently that “there’s footage and records of objects in the skies, that we don’t know exactly what they are”.

    Val Demings, a Democratic congresswoman from Florida, was also present at the UAP briefing.

    “You know it’s always about our safety and security. Our national security is No 1, and so that’s really the area where we really focused on this morning,” Demings said.

    The unclassified version of the UAP report released to the public will contain a classified index, which could prevent the most sensitive information from being released.

    Adam Schiff, the Democratic chair of the House intelligence committee, described this week’s meeting as “an interesting briefing”.

    “I did learn things that were certainly new to me,” Schiff told reporters. “But I think I’m going to leave it at that.”

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    • Declassified FBI Documents With Intel Of Alien Bodies & Spacecraft! NY Times Gets Sneak Peak Of Report:
    In case it's helpful to researchers following this, Lisa got the website name wrong. It's https://vault.fbi.gov.

    Here's the UFO Part 1 that she's referencing. (And then scroll right down to page 21, but the entire archive is pretty fascinating )
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    In fact, here are All 16 Parts as PDFs in a single 146 Mb WeTransfer file, there to download for 7 days. I have to say, some of the documents there (a lot of stuff!) are fascinating. (I wonder how long this has been public?)

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    • Declassified FBI Documents With Intel Of Alien Bodies & Spacecraft! NY Times Gets Sneak Peak Of Report:
    In case it's helpful to researchers following this, Lisa got the website name wrong. It's https://vault.fbi.gov.

    Here's the UFO Part 1 that she's referencing. (And then scroll right down to page 21, but the entire archive is pretty fascinating )
    These documents really are very intriguing; I'm genuinely taken aback at some of the quite incredible information contained therein and which is being made public. I'm not sure many appreciate what's actually contained therein, prime facie, the documents appear genuine, I don't know if the FBI are acknowledging the authenticity of the documents and/or the truth of the facts contained therein (although there must be some credence to their value one would imagine), but there genuinely is enough there for serious examination and consideration.
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    If you think the age of debunking and denial on UFOs ended with Donald Menzel or Philip Klass, Scientific American is putting forth it's new panel of "experts" who "weigh in" on the subject.

    Experts Weigh In on Pentagon UFO Report
    The vast majority of examined incidents were not caused by U.S. advanced technology programs, the forthcoming report concludes. So what’s going on?


    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...on-ufo-report/

    The article is pretty low on actual science and pretty high on a sociological depiction of the world made up a frenzied "believers" and a media eager to feed their madness, contrasted by a few "sober" and "unbiased" experts who have thoroughly debunked UFO claims from their ivory towers.
    So, I have found more articles on Scientific American and they all are not completely horrible, in fact a few are quite good.


    This one is kind of thought provoking, and I agree, that many of the UFO objects were are seeing could be driven by artificial intelligence. The author assumes that the UFOs must come from other start systems within our three dimensions of space and are limited by speed of light for their travel.

    • A Possible Link between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - If some UAP turn out to be extraterrestrial technology, they could be dropping sensors for a subsequent craft to tune into. What if ‘Oumuamua is such a craft?
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ial-phenomena/

    By Avi Loeb, the Harvard Scientist who famously stated the Oumuamua may be alien technology.

    I noticed that Loeb has several articles on the site. I particularly like the one where he compares many "scientists" to the Roman Catholic oligarchs who denounced Galileo:


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    U.S. government prepares to issue landmark report on UFOs

    Although this press release by Reuters is something we all know ipso facto - the fact that REUTERS is now reporting on this is another indication that mainstream media and ON THE WIRE agencies are now invested in reporting the UAP issue.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...5ZoX1HhpjSYpkY

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    Apologies for the low sound quality on this clip from Sky news, but it thought I'd post anyway as an example of how UK media (Well, Sky news) is reporting todays (?) upcoming report from a couple of days ago. The same segment was run a an hour later at peak breakfast time with a different news caster ( Steven Dickson ) who added at the end that he was a believer. So just for the record..


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    Today, June 25th, is the 180th day since Donald Trump signed a COVID relief bill that mandated that Navy Defense Intelligence Agency deliver a report to Congress on UFO's.

    Grant Cameron has put out a podcast for the occasion:

    June 25th - UFO Disclosure or Cover-up Day?
    https://anchor.fm/grant-cameron5/epi...up-Day-e13d39c

    Here are a few bullet points on the interview:
    • Today, June 25th is a day of coverup, not day of disclosure

    • This investigation will go on for a while

    • There will be a 74 page report, but only 4 pages will be public

    • The attitude among many officials is: "We don't have to make anything public if we don't want to."

    • The current disclosure effort traces back to a 2015 phone call from John Podesta to Tom Delonge - this was the consequence that several high level. Hillary Clinton stated on the record that she had an arrangement with John Podesta that she would disclose whatever she could if she was elected in 2016.

    • They were planning to take the issue on "60 Minutes" in 2016 where "the big man" could appear. That would be Jim Semivan, not Elizondo and Mellon.

    • 2017 Leslie Kean was summoned to Washington D.C. in 2017. meets Semivan, Mellon, Elizondo. Kean "Things were laid out for us" - basically the story she will write is spoon-fed to her.

    • 2020 Dec congress request UFO report. Also at this time, Elizondo and Mellon leave TTSA - because getting the attention of Congress is their main focus.

    • This "disclosure initiative" is not by people in the government, but by people who used to be in the government.

    • Main goal of disclosure is to get the attention of Congress. The UFO report request in Dec 2020 COVID bill was the work of Congress, not the White House.

    • The Defense Dept. does not want disclosure. It wants to disclose as little as possible. That is why they are destroying Elizondo's records and emails and pull his security clearance. They will try to avoid saying the words "aliens" but may be forced to say UFOs are real and films are real.

    • Situation works to UFO communities benefit because Danny Sheehan is now within the walls of the Pentagon. Sheehan "knows how the game is played" and knows how to force issues and will take this as far as he can. He has been waiting for this moment for decades.

    • In 1990's the Inspector General of Defense Department investigate Ron Pandolfi (this per Dan Smith, Pandolfi's rather insane assistant) as to why Pandolfi was investigating UFO phenomena. CIA should be foreign intelligence and should not be talking to US civillians about UFOs. Pandolfi was cleared. Pandolfi may now be part of IG investigation into UFOs.

    Much more speculation by Grant Cameron, hard to bullet point. Highly recommended interview .
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    Some Tweets by Lue Elizondo. It looks like he is highly invested in how everyone in the public perceives him.






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