Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[The Mad spirtualist]

I wish I had enough time to read everyone posts in ever thread so I let my intuition guide me to what is relevant to me. This is the type of thread that I will read through from beginning to end cause I know it is beneficial for me. But first allow me to put in my two cents. It is as simple as flesh and spirit. As long as you are flesh you need the ego cause without it death comes quickly. Cause of the 3D nature of this reality we need ego to survive! If I let go of my ego I would end up nailed to the cross quicker than Christ! So I don't think getting rid of the ego is possible if you want to live in this reality for any amount of time. No but learning to control your ego through spirit is the best you can do which is at times really hard to do.
Living by spirit is the best way to keep the ego in check. No matter how spiritually advanced you may think you are the ego is right there with you til the death of the flesh at least this 3D version. There is no need for it then. Transcending ego is to leave this 3D plane.

[vibrations]

I haven't read everything in this thread but for me the best description of ego was from Eckhart Tolle and his books. After reading, (listening) his books and conferences it is the most logical thing until now.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by The Mad spirtualist (here)
I wish I had enough time to read everyone posts in ever thread so I let my intuition guide me to what is relevant to me. This is the type of thread that I will read through from beginning to end cause I know it is beneficial for me. But first allow me to put in my two cents. It is as simple as flesh and spirit. As long as you are flesh you need the ego cause without it death comes quickly. Cause of the 3D nature of this reality we need ego to survive! If I let go of my ego I would end up nailed to the cross quicker than Christ! So I don't think getting rid of the ego is possible if you want to live in this reality for any amount of time. No but learning to control your ego through spirit is the best you can do which is at times really hard to do.
Living by spirit is the best way to keep the ego in check. No matter how spiritually advanced you may think you are the ego is right there with you til the death of the flesh at least this 3D version. There is no need for it then. Transcending ego is to leave this 3D plane.

You may want to read this post my friend: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post21182

Namaste ~ Dan

[John101]

I am reading Eckhart Tolle The power of now and it certainly is helping me understand all that garbage that goes on in my head.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by John101 (here)
I am reading Eckhart Tolle The power of now and it certainly is helping me understand all that garbage that goes on in my head.

I wouldn't say garbage, but confusion...

Happy reading my friend.

[John101]

Hey you should be in my head.
When you got a big argument going on in there about nothing you gotta laugh because it is complete garbage. at least I’m aware of it now being the watcher.

[9eagle9]

Posted by John101 (here)
Hey you should be in my head.
When you got a big argument going on in there about nothing you gotta laugh because it is complete garbage. at least I’m aware of it now being the watcher.

Lol. You certainly get to hear and see a lot more when you take on the observer role rather than the participant.

[greybeard]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Posted by John101 (here)
Hey you should be in my head.
When you got a big argument going on in there about nothing you gotta laugh because it is complete garbage. at least I’m aware of it now being the watcher.

Lol. You certainly get to hear and see a lot more when you take on the observer role rather than the participant.

Hi guys take it one stage further and be aware that you are observing.
You are aware of observing.
Awareness is actually what you are not the witness/observer.
Awareness continues when there is no form to witness through.
Observing witnessing is not volitional it happens all by itself, You do not chose for it to happen.

The biggest obstacle to enlightenment according to Ramesh Baleskar is the notion that we are the doer.

This is very hard for the ego to take.

Ramesh also said.
God wrote the play (of consciousness)
God produced the play
God directed the play
God every actor in the play
God the witness of the play


So we as aspects of God have free will as to how we play the part.

We can scream and protest this isn't right every time we don't get our own way or the world is not as we think it should be, as the the egoic self.

Or we can start to realize exactly what we are, the witness, the awareness, the Self
We can read books like The Power of Now and grow in to the realization of Self.

Eckhart says "No self no problem" and " There is never a problem in the moment"

The spiritual energy in any book by any enlightened writer will lift the consciousness of the reader.
It called entrainment
It change your auric field.
Its worth it.

Chris
Namaste

[John101]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Posted by John101 (here)
Hey you should be in my head.
When you got a big argument going on in there about nothing you gotta laugh because it is complete garbage. at least I’m aware of it now being the watcher.

Lol. You certainly get to hear and see a lot more when you take on the observer role rather than the participant.

Hi guys take it one stage further and be aware that you are observing.
You are aware of observing.
Awareness is actually what you are not the witness/observer.
Awareness continues when there is no form to witness through.
Observing witnessing is not volitional it happens all by itself, You do not chose for it to happen.

The biggest obstacle to enlightenment according to Ramesh Baleskar is the notion that we are the doer.

This is very hard for the ego to take.

Ramesh also said.
God wrote the play (of consciousness)
God produced the play
God directed the play
God every actor in the play
God the witness of the play


So we as aspects of God have free will as to how we play the part.

We can scream and protest this isn't right every time we don't get our own way or the world is not as we think it should be, as the the egoic self.

Or we can start to realize exactly what we are, the witness, the awareness, the Self
We can read books like The Power of Now and grow in to the realization of Self.

Eckhart says "No self no problem" and " There is never a problem in the moment"

The spiritual energy in any book by any enlightened writer will lift the consciousness of the reader.
It called entrainment
It change your auric field.
Its worth it.

Chris
Namaste

I look forward to getting to that stage.
At the moment I am taking it very slow, this is new for me and quite fun too.
It is easy to see now how this has influenced my mood and just how silly that really is, now being the observer I can smile and not take the thoughts serious at all.

Many thanks again Chris for recommending this.

John

[PathWalker]

Posted by vibrations (here)
I haven't read everything in this thread but for me the best description of ego was from Eckhart Tolle and his books. After reading, (listening) his books and conferences it is the most logical thing until now.

I do not know what he wrote. I can tell from experience, I know I acquired knowledge when I teach it.
So this is a great place to try out and express your wisdom, with us.

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Posted by John101 (here)
Hey you should be in my head.
When you got a big argument going on in there about nothing you gotta laugh because it is complete garbage. at least I’m aware of it now being the watcher.

Putting names and attributes to yourself are just another aspect of the ego.

[John101]

I am working on transcending, I have a long way to go I'm sure.

[PathWalker]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Posted by John101 (here)
Hey you should be in my head.
When you got a big argument going on in there about nothing you gotta laugh because it is complete garbage. at least I’m aware of it now being the watcher.

Lol. You certainly get to hear and see a lot more when you take on the observer role rather than the participant.

Hi guys take it one stage further and be aware that you are observing.
You are aware of observing.
Awareness is actually what you are not the witness/observer.
Awareness continues when there is no form to witness through.
Observing witnessing is not volitional it happens all by itself, You do not chose for it to happen.

Chris
Namaste

This is all sound entangled and tricky it is not.
You start to awaken/healing to your path when you start to observe yourself without judgment.
In law of one there are four stages to healing this is the first and most difficult.

It is humbling and requires effort. I am still work in progress.
The ego is required and essential part of evolution.

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Posted by John101 (here)
I am working on transcending, I have a long way to go I'm sure.

Transcending could be instant, it is a matter of choice.
The lessons and growing is in the path you take. Therefore you chose the path that serves you the best.

[John101]

I'm a little out of my depth here, I was just looking for a starting point.

[PathWalker]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Letting go of Ego is a very hard lesson to learn. Very hard, I experience it myself. But despite its difficulty, it appears to be the only lesson if it is your goal to achieve peace. Or enlightenment. It is the only lesson if your goal is to reach that place where you can truly say: "I don't want to be better than you; I want to be better than me."

And so not only is letting the ego die a hard process, it is also a scary process. Very scary. But losing the ego is also a wonderful thing. Losing ego can bring us closer to our hearts. It can enable us to feel more than we have ever felt. It can enable us to see ourselves in a totally different way and in doing so, find new dimensions to ourselves. The loss of ego may give us the sense that we are living closer to our souls. Until we start the process of turning down and finally shutting off the voice of Ego, the voice of our hearts cannot be heard.

One way to start this process is to recognize when your Ego coming into play. Whether it is by you wanting to correct someone, explain that their views are incorrect (in your mind anyway), if you feel anger at someone for their actions towards you. Then acknowledge these feelings to yourself, be it confusion, anger, hatred, or frustration, what ever they may be. Just feel them flowing through your body. Do not act. Just feel. Stop yourself from reacting. From passing judgment. Just let it be. Gradually overtime the Ego will not be as strong and will start to loosen it's hold over your heart. This not only makes you aware of how often your Ego comes into play, it will also amaze you how quickly you start to feel different in yourself. How the peace within you grows as your Ego diminishes.

With Love and Blessings,

Dan

I read the above and with full respect I disagree.
I find the ego the construct of separation from oneness. Each ego has to emphasis its uniqueness and distinguish itself from the rest somehow.
WE have the ego in order to learn the lessons of duality.
If I do not posses an ego, I finished my incarnated lesson.

One might claim ego-less but that is just another trick of the ego.
As we evolve the masters teach us to integrate the ego as part of our evolution. When you fight it you feed it. The native American parable of the love wolf and hate wolf. Then again who do you feed. They are both always there in your heart (the ego and the soul).

[greybeard]

Posted by John101 (here)
I'm a little out of my depth here, I was just looking for a starting point.

Try page one Laughing

Im sorry I could not resist John

If all else fails just be kind to all life including your own no matter what

Chris
Namaste

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by PathWalker (here)

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Letting go of Ego is a very hard lesson to learn. Very hard, I experience it myself. But despite its difficulty, it appears to be the only lesson if it is your goal to achieve peace. Or enlightenment. It is the only lesson if your goal is to reach that place where you can truly say: "I don't want to be better than you; I want to be better than me."

And so not only is letting the ego die a hard process, it is also a scary process. Very scary. But losing the ego is also a wonderful thing. Losing ego can bring us closer to our hearts. It can enable us to feel more than we have ever felt. It can enable us to see ourselves in a totally different way and in doing so, find new dimensions to ourselves. The loss of ego may give us the sense that we are living closer to our souls. Until we start the process of turning down and finally shutting off the voice of Ego, the voice of our hearts cannot be heard.

One way to start this process is to recognize when your Ego coming into play. Whether it is by you wanting to correct someone, explain that their views are incorrect (in your mind anyway), if you feel anger at someone for their actions towards you. Then acknowledge these feelings to yourself, be it confusion, anger, hatred, or frustration, what ever they may be. Just feel them flowing through your body. Do not act. Just feel. Stop yourself from reacting. From passing judgment. Just let it be. Gradually overtime the Ego will not be as strong and will start to loosen it's hold over your heart. This not only makes you aware of how often your Ego comes into play, it will also amaze you how quickly you start to feel different in yourself. How the peace within you grows as your Ego diminishes.

With Love and Blessings,

Dan

I read the above and with full respect I disagree.
I find the ego the construct of separation from oneness. Each ego has to emphasis its uniqueness and distinguish itself from the rest somehow.
WE have the ego in order to learn the lessons of duality.
If I do not posses an ego, I finished my incarnated lesson.

One might claim ego-less but that is just another trick of the ego.
As we evolve the masters teach us to integrate the ego as part of our evolution. When you fight it you feed it. The native American parable of the love wolf and hate wolf. Then again who do you feed. They are both always there in your heart (the ego and the soul).

Dear PathWalker,

Could you explain better your thought processes, and how you came to disagree with my post?

Thank you...

[PathWalker]

Beloved truthseekerdan,

I am ready to explain again.

We are here in the physical body to learn and experience free will. (Which is by itself an illusion. Since we are all parts of the one/creator/god/nature/cosmos/logos... and we are doing its will. The master though/will is to experience creation.)

1. In order to experience will we need to have some choices. Hence duality matrix is created, the game of incarnations and polarities of the 3rd density (good/bad, male/female, hot/cold, light/dark...)
2. In order to experience free will we need to forget who we are and be separated from the one. If we stayed with the one spirit and in oneness conscious then our choices would be biased and not free.
3. In order to be separated from the one we had to:

1. Disconnect from our soul infomation
2. Create a unique emotional construct that will separate us from the oneness consciousness

The ego is the unique emotional construct that keeps us separated from each other. Uniquely distinguished from each member on the planet.
The ego is required in order to transcend the 3rd density of duality/polarization.

When you fight it you feed it, when you harmonize/integrate it you tame it.
Killing the ego is killing you path and your progress.

All the statements of no ego, humility and other nice virtues are just aspects of the ego. Albeit tamed.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by PathWalker (here)
Beloved truthseekerdan,

I am ready to explain again.

We are here in the physical body to learn and experience free will. (Which is by itself an illusion. Since we are all parts of the one/creator/god/nature/cosmos/logos... and we are doing its will. The master though/will is to experience creation.)

1. In order to experience will we need to have some choices. Hence duality matrix is created, the game of incarnations and polarities of the 3rd density (good/bad, male/female, hot/cold, light/dark...)
2. In order to experience free will we need to forget who we are and be separated from the one. If we stayed with the one spirit and in oneness conscious then our choices would be biased and not free.
3. In order to be separated from the one we had to:

1. Disconnect from our soul infomation
2. Create a unique emotional construct that will separate us from the oneness consciousness

The ego is the unique emotional construct that keeps us separated from each other. Uniquely distinguished from each member on the planet.
The ego is required in order to transcend the 3rd density of duality/polarization.

When you fight it you feed it, when you harmonize/integrate it you tame it.
Killing the ego is killing you path and your progress.

All the statements of no ego, humility and other nice virtues are just aspects of the ego. Albeit tamed.

I believe you did not take time to read my post carefully enough.
I did not mention that one has to "kill the ego", but to diminish it thru the understanding on how it works, -- that means to observe it and try to control it, because even though you are born with it, doesn't mean that you don't have power to control it.

Your opposition to my point helps clarify it… Thanks!!

Namaste ~ Dan

[PathWalker]

Belvoed truthseekerdan,

I was referencing in the previous posts to the following section from your post.

And so not only is letting the ego die a hard process, it is also a scary process. Very scary. But losing the ego is also a wonderful thing. Losing ego can bring us closer to our hearts. It can enable us to feel more than we have ever felt. It can enable us to see ourselves in a totally different way and in doing so, find new dimensions to ourselves. The loss of ego may give us the sense that we are living closer to our souls. Until we start the process of turning down and finally shutting off the voice of Ego, the voice of our hearts cannot be heard.

My philosophy is of integration and harmonizing the ego. Your views and opinions are cherished.
The path is not about philosophy but rather walking it.
It is about the difference between learning the map, to walking the path.
The wisdom is gained by experience.

Love and power
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by PathWalker (here)
Belvoed truthseekerdan,

I was referencing in the previous posts to the following section from your post.

And so not only is letting the ego die a hard process, it is also a scary process. Very scary. But losing the ego is also a wonderful thing. Losing ego can bring us closer to our hearts. It can enable us to feel more than we have ever felt. It can enable us to see ourselves in a totally different way and in doing so, find new dimensions to ourselves. The loss of ego may give us the sense that we are living closer to our souls. Until we start the process of turning down and finally shutting off the voice of Ego, the voice of our hearts cannot be heard.

My philosophy is of integration and harmonizing the ego. Your views and opinions are cherished.
The path is not about philosophy but rather walking it.
It is about the difference between learning the map, to walking the path.
The wisdom is gained by experience.

Love and power
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

Putting the ego aside now, -- what I meant by "letting the ego die" is a metaphor, and it was in reference to let one ego's diminish (subside).

Only great way-showers like Jesus, etc.; did not have an ego, because they knew who they are. They were here among us to help the humanity evolve spiritually...

Please read these two (2) posts in order if you did not have a chance to read them yet.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post18792

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post22792

Thanks,

♡ Dan