Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[greybeard]

All opinions are correct as they reflect different levels of spiritual understanding.
What is appropriate and correct for one level is not appropriate for another.

Dr Hawkins book "Transcending the Levels of Consciousness/ Stairway to Enlightenment" states at the level of 500 on his map of consciousness that there is a massive change of consciousness, a change of paradigm. The person moves from an intellectual understanding of what love is about to being love. The change is so profound that you literally see things differently now you think in terms of context and essence rather than content.
The brain physiology changes Kundalini energy becomes noticeably active.
At level 550 unconditional love begins and states of bliss appear for no reason.
At level 565 the shidis manifest spontaneous healing for people in your presence.
600 is the first level of enlightenment.
Christ consciousness 1000.

So we are now evolving as a species beyond duality, beyond the hold of the ego, we are transcending the ego because at least for some it is no longer required. That which helped us has now become and obstacle to be released to the loving care of God.
Those who transcend the ego will become the spiritual teachers of the future,
Eckhart Tolle has transcended ego if you read his book its in there. He functions in the world beautifully and lives a very full life with his partner Kim English. I have had the pleasure of being in their company for over an hour in Findhorn after a retreat was over.
So your ego will tell you its needed to live a full life, Its fighting for survival, it is a con artist.
In the early stages yes its helpful but anyone reading this kind of material does no need it.
Namaste

[Hybrid5226]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hynAE-7gMOg

Greybeard
Hi
I wanted to thank you for the thread an I had to share this you tube video with you .

It brought tears to my eyes . Out of the mouth of Babes.

Peace.

[greybeard]

"You can chain me, you can torture me, you can even destroy this body, but you will never imprison my mind." -- Mahatma Gandhi

[truthseekerdan]

"Stillness means 'being free from thoughts' and yet aware." ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi

♡

[greybeard]

Ramana
You can tell how far you have progressed spiritually by the degree of silence in the mind.

chris

[truthseekerdan]

This is a clip from "Who's Driving the Dreambus?", a feature-length documentary exploring life's most profound mystery, Who am I?
Winner of the Insight Film Festival in Manchester, England -- www.whosdrivingthedreambus.com

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X7S9AtKCv24

Thanks to AlkaMyst for making this full documentary available at this link

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[9eagle9]

I want to watch that video, I keep putting it aside, off, in favor of other things, but it keeps popping back up in my field of vision.

Has anyone heard from Ernie, I sure hope he is doing okay.

The lingering issue I have with my ego is other people (ha ha there are no other people) but actually people who are constantly phoning, emailing me with doom, destruction and disaster. "I'm worried about you, I feel something on you, I feel like your in danger, check your energy fields, get a crystal, do a ritual, hang up side down in your closet like a bat." I feel like this is being imposed on me all this checking in. My mentor told me that while I was doing ego softening work, other people's egos would annoy me, I sorta holed up in the boonies here for a several months to get away from it all. But I still find all this clammering of how I'm getting ready to step off the cliff annoying. I've tactfully tried to say "If you go looking for trouble you'll find it. " But I suppose its more like, can't you just email me and ask me how I am? Any body ever get this?

[PathWalker]

Posted by greybeard (here)
All opinions are correct as they reflect different levels of spiritual understanding.
What is appropriate and correct for one level is not appropriate for another.

Dr Hawkins book "Transcending the Levels of Consciousness/ Stairway to Enlightenment" states at the level of 500 on his map of consciousness that there is a massive change of consciousness, a change of paradigm. The person moves from an intellectual understanding of what love is about to being love. The change is so profound that you literally see things differently now you think in terms of context and essence rather than content.
The brain physiology changes Kundalini energy becomes noticeably active.
At level 550 unconditional love begins and states of bliss appear for no reason.
At level 565 the shidis manifest spontaneous healing for people in your presence.
600 is the first level of enlightenment.
Christ consciousness 1000.

So we are now evolving as a species beyond duality, beyond the hold of the ego, we are transcending the ego because at least for some it is no longer required. That which helped us has now become and obstacle to be released to the loving care of God.
Those who transcend the ego will become the spiritual teachers of the future,
Eckhart Tolle has transcended ego if you read his book its in there. He functions in the world beautifully and lives a very full life with his partner Kim English. I have had the pleasure of being in their company for over an hour in Findhorn after a retreat was over.
So your ego will tell you its needed to live a full life, Its fighting for survival, it is a con artist.
In the early stages yes its helpful but anyone reading this kind of material does no need it.
Namaste

Greetings and thanks for the wisdom,
I fully adhere to the different aspect and stages of spiritual understanding.
Many spiritual paradigm are centered about fighting and subduing desire/ego/pleasure.
All are correct in the sense that GrayBeard articulated.
Many of us are programmed to evolve by following the polarized/dualistic way of thinking. "Identify the problem - eliminate the problem". With the 3 policies:
1. Fight, 2. Flight, 3. Ignore/postpone (sub class of 2).

While we all agree that the ego is an obstacle for spiritual evolution. Not all agree that we need to eliminate the ego. As we evolve spiritually we learn the forth way. Which is about negotiation and integration of problem. So that it is supporting required evolution.

It is also understood that early stages of awakening require the "Identify the problem - eliminate the problem". In order to identify and promote introspection.
As we progress we learn that fighting the beast is feeding it. And the only way to subdue the ego is by letting go control.
As we learn to let go, the ego is in great stress and we learn how to release the stress and develop the "spiritual trust", that all is OK.

A nice metaphor is the meditative practice to quiet the mind (another practice of let go). This practice requires the introspection, acknowledgment, release, focus and patience.
When starting this practice we learn introspection and focus with much frustration. This is the fight mode that we need to learn to release in order to progress.

Hope you follow my entangled thoughts.

Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi
I'd say I'm sorry for whatever disturbance I may have caused in the "force", but I am not.
I shouldered that pack...and almost fell over backwards!
I realized something, folks. I'm not half as advanced as I thought I was. I have been humbled. Those things in the pack are ego bagage, things I could not even consider leaving without.
Notice I didn't think of pencil and paper, or a good book or two, or a picture of my loved ones, or my totem bag. Blah, blah, blah.
My mind is a storm. But my heart is ablaze.
I have realized many other deep and personal issues since my last post. I do not feel I have much more to add, here or on any other thread, including my own.
I will be silent for the foreseeable future. This poem of mine is the best I can put how I feel right now:

The Circle in the Dot

There is a circle in the dot
And some would say
There is a dot in the circle
Not the other way.
There is a circle in the dot
and some would say
The dot must be spherical.
Have a good day!
There is a circle in the dot
and some would say
The circle must be small indeed.
There is a circle in the dot
of every line,
Whether straight or round,
thick, red or fine.
There is a circle in the dot
of all that's real,
More meaning and depth,
the more you feel.
There is a circle in the dot
Where vast vistas contract,
Where corners expand
And fiction becomes fact.
There is a circle in the dot
and some would say
What dot, what circle?
Then go their way.
There is a circle in the dot
and some would say
The dot was the circle,
Fate's hand in the clay.
There is a circle in the dot
and some would say
So, what's you're point?

[gripreaper]

Hello Chris,

Now that the Charles material has settled down a bit, I feel drawn to this thread, albeit I find it challenging to know it's evolution without reading through many of the posts. Could you do a quick synopsis?

[PathWalker]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Hello Chris,

Now that the Charles material has settled down a bit, I feel drawn to this thread, albeit I find it challenging to know it's evolution without reading through many of the posts. Could you do a quick synopsis?

Me too please?

[greybeard]

Posted by PathWalker (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Hello Chris,

Now that the Charles material has settled down a bit, I feel drawn to this thread, albeit I find it challenging to know it's evolution without reading through many of the posts. Could you do a quick synopsis?

Me too please?

The ego was necessary as part of our evolution.
We needed duality so we could discern good from not so good, poison from edible.
I we had no ego we would not have survived long enough to get this far.

Now we know the fire is hot, walking in font of buses a bad idea. its in our genes, we dont have to be told, we are aware of what is healthy overall.
So as we evolve we go through the different stages each one leads us to the next, we are not all at the same stage not all in the same class

Eventually we hear of enlightenment the ego become the spiritual ego, it wants it.
That take us so far then we realise that in order to go to the next stage we have to begin letting go of selfish traits at that point the ego goes into rebellion, it senses its demise.
There is no turning back now.
Humility begins to surface we realize that we cant do it now unaided and Gods help is sought.


So now read from page one Laughing

Much love Chris

[9eagle9]

As it above Ernie, so it is below. Glad to see you here and Be-ing. Awakening isn't easy. We are shown this daily daily daily in our lives how hard awakening can be because it is easier to stay asleep. We are shown this any morning where we have to leave our nice warm bed, our dreams (illusions) and step into the reality. But after you are up and about, and have had your coffee, and watched the sunrise you know that being awake is actually much better than being asleep. And we've had our moments where we look at the clock and go back to sleep a little longer.

Its the getting out of bed part that is hard.

To paraphrase an old song 'Waking up is hard to do." oo-oooo.

[greybeard]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Hi
I'd say I'm sorry for whatever disturbance I may have caused in the "force", but I am not.
I shouldered that pack...and almost fell over backwards!
I realized something, folks. I'm not half as advanced as I thought I was. I have been humbled. Those things in the pack are ego bagage, things I could not even consider leaving without.
Notice I didn't think of pencil and paper, or a good book or two, or a picture of my loved ones, or my totem bag. Blah, blah, blah.
My mind is a storm. But my heart is ablaze.
I have realized many other deep and personal issues since my last post. I do not feel I have much more to add, here or on any other thread, including my own.
I will be silent for the foreseeable future. This poem of mine is the best I can put how I feel right now:

The Circle in the Dot

There is a circle in the dot
And some would say
There is a dot in the circle
Not the other way.
There is a circle in the dot
and some would say
The dot must be spherical.
Have a good day!
There is a circle in the dot
and some would say
The circle must be small indeed.
There is a circle in the dot
of every line,
Whether straight or round,
thick, red or fine.
There is a circle in the dot
of all that's real,
More meaning and depth,
the more you feel.
There is a circle in the dot
Where vast vistas contract,
Where corners expand
And fiction becomes fact.
There is a circle in the dot
and some would say
What dot, what circle?
Then go their way.
There is a circle in the dot
and some would say
The dot was the circle,
Fate's hand in the clay.
There is a circle in the dot
and some would say
So, what's you're point?

hi Ernie very pleased to see you.
You contribute much to this thread.

I can only speak for me,

I had to get throug the dificulties read all the mind stuff do what ever I did to get to the point of knowing

I can keep what I want and let the rest go


It like the Indian sitting in the train with the bundle on his head complaining about the weigh of his load.
The train is carrying him and his baggage whether he is aware of it or not.
Footsteps in the sand a great metaphor

God caries me, some time I am aware of that---- and after all I did ask him to.

Sometimes my willfulness gets in the way and I pick up the baggage again

Much love and prayers for you my friend

Chris

[Lettherebelight]

If one is a sincere soul, God will always make sure you get a cosmic slap as soon as you act from the false ego (I am such and such, I am knowledgeable, I, I, I...) The slap is a good sign, you're on the right track.

The false ego ever beguiles and entices, it's only when we recognize that we are eternal servants of the servants of the servants of God that we know our real ego, who we really are.

When we know that, then we can get on with the business of finding out who God is.

[gripreaper]

Thanks for your synopsis Chris.

The ego was necessary as part of our evolution.
We needed duality so we could discern good from not so good, poison from edible.
I we had no ego we would not have survived long enough to get this far.

That's for sure. As we evolved from the reptilian brainstem and developed a neo-cortex and hippocampus in the brain it was for survival and the evolutionary changes.

Eventually we hear of enlightenment the ego become the spiritual ego, it wants it.

So the "ego" is only part of the animal instincts that are motivated purely by survival and hedonism?

That take us so far then we realize that in order to go to the next stage we have to begin letting go of selfish traits at that point the ego goes into rebellion, it senses its demise.
There is no turning back now.

This is the part I don't quite get, the idea of "letting go" of the ego. If we take and view the entire cosmos from the level of the quantum field of energetics, where energy can neither be created or destroyed but forms and transforms, I see the ego as still being very useful and a part of what we are evolving into. The "ego" is the lower chakra energies which I would suggest unite the upper chakras and are not to be severed and thrown away.

Humility begins to surface we realize that we cant do it now unaided and Gods help is sought.

The connotation of a "God" is an archetype for us to symbolize the energetics and predisposes that this archetype is outside ourselves and is an "other" in duality. I don't see petitioning an outside archetype to come to help me because I can't ascend on my own smacks of religious programming and conditioning and to me is part of an old a dying paradigm.

So, in conclusion, we need the ego, it is part of our energetics, it joins with the celestial energies in ascension, is not inherently evil and does not need to be transcended. Enlightenment is a continuing daily process and is not a destination to be reached, but is the ability to hold light, focus it and charge and discharge it. We all do that every day, so we cannot be NOT of the light or in the light. It is inherent in our energy.

Am I on track?

[greybeard]

Yes you are on track if you think that God dosent exist or lives out side you.
God is in every atom and therfore in side you

In the main yes you have it there is a audio page 36 I think that you would find interesting.

Coast to coast interview energy and 2012

Keep reading my fiend

[Nortreb]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
If one is a sincere soul, God will always make sure you get a cosmic slap as soon as you act from the false ego (I am such and such, I am knowledgeable, I, I, I...) The slap is a good sign, you're on the right track.

The false ego ever beguiles and entices, it's only when we recognize that we are eternal servants of the servants of the servants of God that we know our real ego, who we really are.

When we know that, then we can get on with the business of finding out who God is.

Perfect, Lettherebelight!
This relates to the hidden aspects of martial art. The real opponent is the person seen in the mirror. When this is realized by the student of the arts, there is no opponent. There is just completion and no need for physical violence.

Peace

[gripreaper]

Chris,

Looked at the David Sereda interview on Coast to Coast. Yes, he understands the energetic anomalies which are ushering in the paradigm shift into ascended consciousness. Here is the most recent synopsis of this phenomenon from both a scientific and spiritual perspective. It's two hours but jammed packed with truth and current evidence.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kZRrKi99mno

[RedeZra]

it's like

lifting a veil from a light

ah it's all bright


the remarkable thing is

we weave these veils

hehe