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Catherine Austin Fitts has spent decades exposing corruption and fraud within the banking industry and government, and corruption and fraud are driving forces in the COVID pandemic
We’re seeing a shift of billions of dollars of liability to families for health care, disability, workman's compensation, unemployment and death, as experimental COVID injections are mandated while drug makers, doctors and corporations have been released from all liability
At present, there is no legally valid vaccine mandate. The shots are still under emergency use authorization, and there’s no official document from government, be it in the form of legislation, law or regulation, that grants a legal basis for the mandate. The U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration also has not published any rule regarding the mandating of vaccines by private companies
The vaccine passports create a platform for a digital transaction system that documents and tracks all transactions. Once combined with a central bank-controlled digital currency, they will have the ability to block transactions
To prevent the final implementation of this planned control system, we must be ready and willing to sacrifice in the short term. We must be willing to say, "No, I will not comply, no matter what the consequence,” or we’ll lose even our most basic freedoms
Exposing Corruption in the Government and
Financial Institutions
A Special Interview With Catherine Austin Fitts
By Dr. Joseph Mercola
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Welcome everyone. This is Dr. Mercola, helping you take control of your health in these
incredible times. And of course, the conversation has been primarily focused about COVID-19
and the consequences. And we typically delve into the health aspects of this, but today we're
going to take a different angle. And we're joined by Catherine Austin Fitts, who's a professional
and finances and has actually quite a bit of experience with the government in the late '80s, '88, I
believe.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
She was chosen by George Herbert Walker Bush, the original George Bush, as the assistant
secretary of Housing and Urban Development or HUD. And then she resigned. And she can tell
that story if she likes. And she's been quite active since then in exposing a lot of the finances, the
corruption and the fraud that's so prevalent and really contributing as a primary factor, especially
in this pandemic. So we're really delighted to have you today and looking forward to discussing
the financial component of this because it's big. It's really big and there's very few people more
qualified to address than you. So thank you for joining us.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, I appreciate it. And you forgot to mention that I am a avid reader of your website and
material and recommend you always.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I forgot to mention it because I wasn't aware of it until you just said that. So I don't know if it
qualifies as forgot. I wasn't aware. Well, thank you.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I visit your website all the time and I can't tell you what an admirer I am of you and your work.
So I appreciate the opportunity to be on.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, great. Well, thanks. So maybe if you give us a... It's always best from my perspective to
have the viewers who may be unfamiliar with you to have a better understanding of your
background. That helps them understand where you're coming from and then can frame what
we're going to discuss in a moment. So maybe if you can briefly summarize what I mentioned.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Yeah. So I had a very successful career on Wall Street and then went to Washington briefly and
was appalled at the mortgage corruption and left, started my own firm, which was very
successful. And I got caught up in litigation with the federal government. And part of that was,
and this won't surprise you, discovering what a criminal enterprise the major media was. And I
decided during that period that I would stop trying to discuss anything with people through the
media. In fact, I would just answer people's questions directly.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
That process of just constantly answering people's questions because I was doing radio shows
and the flow of emails that resulted turned into two businesses, one of which was an investment
advisory business, started in 2007. And what happened was I discovered that many of the
financial problems and many of the financial challenges that my clients were facing really were
generated by health, including many of them from vaccine injury and vaccine adverse events.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And so what happened was I was expecting, and I should say, I'm no longer an investment
advisor. I have an investment advisory company, but we only do screens. I don't do individual
investment advice. But what I discovered was it was absolutely imperative if you wanted to help
clients be successful at building family wealth, that you had to integrate the investment in health
and wellness with the investment in financial things.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So I would have people who told me that they put millions of dollars in their brokerage account,
that they couldn't afford organic or biodynamic food. I'm like, are you crazy? Are you crazy?
You can not afford it. So there was an integration that had to happen. Because of the
extraordinary expense of vaccine injury and adverse event, it got me very interested in vaccines.
And I spent many, many years reading and studying what in the world was going on and why the
lies were so bad.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
It's very interesting. One of the reasons that people would seek me out at that time was they
would run into the lies and the fraud in the healthcare industry and say, "If it's this bad in
healthcare, what in the world is going on with our money?" Anyway. So the process required
that I understand what was happening on an integrated basis between money and health in the
big picture, but also in the little picture. Because if families don't learn how to navigate these
lies, as you know, it can be devastating legally, financially, emotionally, physically in every way.
And so the two are really integrated like two sides of the coin.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Okay. Well, thank you for that framing. And I want to compliment you on your wise choice of
earbuds. I can't tell you how freuently I encounter guests and they're wearing wireless AirPods.
So it always surprises me. That is a strong suggestion they don't understand the dangers of radio
frequency fields, as you obviously do. So congratulations on that.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, I read Mercola.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I wasn't going to go here first, but as long as you mentioned it, I think it's an interesting entry
point. Because to me, it's one of the most egregious violations ever in financial history of what
they've been able to get away with in implementing this vaccine. And that is the removal of all
liability. Initially, they had that liability removed through to the 1986 Act, but this was a
different deal because it comes under a different... The PREP Act. The bio weapons treaty.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So essentially resulting in the same result. They have absolute immunity to any prosecution, any
liability for anything. So a person can be mandated to get this vaccine, mandated the COVID
injection and suffer permanent disability requiring millions of dollars of care afterwards and they
are responsible, not anyone else.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Right. Well, this is really... I don't know if you know this, but very early on in the COVID-19
pandemic, I published an article called The Injection Fraud. And I went through the different
liability issues because... and I don't know if you've ever seen the COVID-19 forms that we've
published on our website, but the goal of those forms is to try and move the liability back to
where it belongs and to raise the liability issues.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Because you're watching a shift of billions of dollars of liability to families for healthcare, for
disability, for workman's compensation, for unemployment, for death, on and on and on. The
shift of financial liabilities to individuals is extraordinary.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. So is there some option that you've uncovered that might help shift that back to the
primary culprits?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, what we try to do with the COVID-19 forms is give individuals forms that they could use
in negotiation with their employers and their schools to try and hold them responsible for, one,
informed consent, which I don't see how you can be responsible for informed consent if the
ingredients are a mystery. That's another question.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, not only that, but it's impossible to have informed consent when everything is censored.
There is no possible way unless you're viewing programs like this to understand what the other
side is because you can't make an informed decision.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Right. I absolutely agree with that. But then it walks through the health care issues, the disability
issues, workman comp issues, life insurance issues. At a whole, is the employer or the university
responsible to answer these? And of course, what comes out in that process it started with
something called the family financial disclosure form. We had many subscribers who had
spouses who wanted to get the injection and it was very important for me to give people a form
where they could walk through with their spouse and ensure that an adverse event impacting the
spouse would not translate into a bankruptcy of the family. Because there are steps that people
can take to protect the family from really financial destruction if they're foolish enough to go
take one of these things.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So it started with the family financial form, then it translated into an employer and university
forum. And I have been told by subscribers that they were able to talk their employers out of
requiring them once they went through the form with them.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, that's good.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, I think it's a case by case basis and obviously the federal government is bringing more
pressure. This is the first time we've ever had legislation by press conference. And then finally
we did with jury day a parental consent form for parents to deliver forms to the school saying we
do not consent to your providing any of these things behind our back. But those forms are really
to help individuals grapple with, what are the financial and legal issues that they're facing?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And it's incredible because as you know, employers and universities are just flat out lying to
people, whether it's about the adverse events and the potential risks or it's about what the law is.
And I dare any employer who is trying to say that they're mandating this when they're still under
emergency use authorization to produce a document from government, whether legislation or
law or regulation that says they have a basis in law to do this. As far as I know, OSHA has not
published anything yet.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I agree at least in theory, but I'm not sure I agree with the fact that they're lying because lying
would imply that they're fully aware of it. I suspect the vast majority of these individuals are just
targets of one of the most successful, not one of, the most successful propaganda campaign in the
history of the world. That they in fact sincerely believe that they under the obligation to do that
and they're doing it under what they feel they need to.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I don't think it's propaganda. I think they're under terrible pressure from both the government
banks. If you're the government and say military purchases or military contracts or a variety of
different government sort of inspired revenues. If you say to companies, look, we're going to
shut off your purchases. We're going to shut off your contracts. I think there's RICO conspiracy
blackmail going on behind the scenes.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
That's another interesting perspective. So they may understand it.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Oh, I think they do understand it. And I think they're being seriously threatened both through the
banking system. And if you look at the strongest pressure we're seeing, it's coming from the
central bankers and the financial side. I've spent a lot of time with the Doctors for COVID Ethics
over the last year, learning about at least what those doctors and scientists know, what's in this
stuff and what does it do.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
But there's a whole portion of the ingredients that we still don't know what is in these injections.
And I dare say, I believe it's connected to why the central bankers are pushing so hard. I think
these guys are really depending on the smart grid and creepy technology to help them go to the
last steps of financial control, which is what I think they're pushing for.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. I definitely want to dive deep into that. But before we do, I want to pick up on a few
tangents that you mentioned which is the pressures that are being implemented by the
government. I just read this morning that Biden's new announcement is that he is going to
pressure the Navy seals, that if they refuse to get vaccinated, not only will they be discharged,
but they are liable for the expense of all of their training.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Here, they have some of the most elite special forces in the entire world sacrificing their lives,
their very lives for the liberty of this country, and they're forced to pay millions of dollars for
their own training if they refuse to abide by their constitutional right of freedom of choice and
the ability to make an informed consent decision. That's just shocking.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I hadn't heard that. That is shocking. I think he's picking on the wrong group of people.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
But he's picking at them. I don't know if he's trying to get to lead by example.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
What was most frightening, one of the things I watch a lot related to this sort of state of play
about the dollars reserve currency is what's going on in the South China Sea. And we saw reports
of a tremendous number of flybys of the Chinese over Taiwan and real issues around what's
going on in Taiwan in the airspace. At the same time that Theresa Long publishes her affidavit,
flight surgeon from Fort Rucker, Alabama, saying any pilot who's been vaccinated should be
grounded until they have a full medical checkup. In other words, you're saying, if they've been
vaccinated, they're not safe. So on one hand you have America trying to poison its pilots at the
same time that are real issues of debates about whether we're going to continue as a reserve
currency, given what's going on in the South China Sea and the airspace.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. And we have the report of a few weeks ago where one Delta pilot actually died while he
was flying the plane and had just recently received a second vaccination. Of course, they're
denying that it has anything to do with it. I think the CDC doesn't admit that anyone, anyone, that
there are zero deaths from the COVID jab. That's their official legal position. It's all coincidence.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
They're kidding.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
At least that's what Steve Kirsch asserts. Steve Kirsch has done a pretty deep dive in this. I'm
sure you're familiar with who he is.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Yes.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I have enormous respect. I mean, he's taken millions of dollars of loss first for his position. And
he has no conflict of interest.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
That's extraordinary. I mean, I don't know a doctor who doesn't know somebody who has been...
No pun intended.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
It's all coincidence. They are not admitting to any deaths. I mean, the minimal amount that have
been reported in various. But I don't want to go into the medical specific assess. I mean, you're
well versed in this and we could go there, but I mean, your real expertise is in financial aspects.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, but here's the thing. I just saw a video, and let me pull this back to the financial. I just saw
a very cute video. I'm sure 20 people have sent it to you at least. It's two and a half minutes of
Fauci saying the vaccine is safe and effective. Then it goes to 96% effective. Then it goes to
90%. Then it goes to 86%. Then it goes down, down, down until, oh, after six months, it's not
effective. You need a booster.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So it's nothing but newspaper headlines taking the effectiveness from a hundred percent to zero.
And you watch it in two and a half minutes and what you realize under the securities laws, this is
fraud. I mean, under the securities law, if it was an investment, which I would argue it is, it's
fraud.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, it surely is. I mean, Fauci over the last 50 years has been responsible for distributing, I
understand Robert Kennedy has looked into this deeply in his new book, Tony Fauci comes out
in a few weeks, the truth about Tony Fauci. He was responsible for distributing a trillion dollars
of federal funding and grants to mostly the drug companies.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Right. It's a racket. There's no doubt it's a racket.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So another interesting recent event, and this interview will not be posted for a week or two, but
the Colin Powell died today, or yesterday, at least it was announced today. What shocked me is
that they admitted that he was fully vaccinated
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Wasn't it the family that admitted that?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I don't know who did, but it's in the papers. Usually like Hank Aaron and other boxers of the day,
they all deny it. They produce fake autopsies just to imply that it wasn't related.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Do we know the official death?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
No, I don't, but I'm just surprised that they put those together. He died of COVID-19. That's what
the official cause of death is. It was a COVID-19 death, despite being fully vaccinated. I mean,
to me, to let that get out. And the New York Times, maybe you can comment on the New York
Times, because you figured out they were a fraud in the '80s, which is far before most of us on
had that understanding. But that's what they're saying, that it was COVID-19. And then the same
brief obituary piece. They mentioned that he was fully vaccinated.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I had a wonderful reporter from the New York Times write a story about... They were doing big
profile pieces like on page 16 of people had a lot of financial responsibility in the administration.
She wrote the piece and as soon as she turned it into the editors, the editors kept coming back
with these unbelievable questions. Somebody was feeding them disinformation, and each time
she would come back and I'd beat it back and beat it back and beat it back.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
It was all just made up stuff. Anyway, she was a really extraordinary reporter. Anyways, so she
turns it in again for the last time and she gets a call from the print shop that the Washington
editor has changed it behind her back and is putting things in that are just not true. And so the
resolution was that the article was very complimentary. They pulled the article and she quit
because she had to go to the New York Times editor, above the Washington editor's head. And
here he was putting falsehoods in and she had to resign and she never worked again as a reporter.
That was it.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. Unfortunately, that's the painful consequence of having integrity nowadays. And I'm sure
more people will suffer that. But the end result is good and we need more people like that to
stand up to this tyranny to prevent that from happening as planned.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I don't think we need to stand up to the media tyranny. I think it's very simple. We just have
people like you start a website and be way more successful. but I am so excited about what I call
the new media. I just did an interview with a wonderful reporter in the Netherlands On the new
media. I've been at two conferences with all new media players and there's something really
wonderful happening because people are just deciding they're the old media. There's no point in
struggling with them anymore. Let's just leave.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And there's incredible talent shifting. You're one of the leaders of the new media, so you know.
I'm sure you never thought when you became a doctor that you would become a new media
leader, right? You're just trying to tell people the truth. And now I just think there's an enormous
breakaway of the market away from the old media. And I don't know if you realize this. I haven't
been able to look at the exact legislation, but there are numerous reports that there's enormous
amounts of subsidies in the $3.5 trillion budget package for media.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Because apparently if they have no audience, they can't charge for ads. And so now the
government apparently is going to have to fund them because nobody wants to watch or listen to
them.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, it is quite surprising. Eventually I think people figure out the truth. But with respect to the
integrity comment, I mean, clearly, media is one component. But I was referring to the broader
context. And when you have the incidents, the most recent example I can think of is the
Southwest pilot supposed lockup where they had the integrity stick about their conventions. And
they actually forced Southwest to cancel thousands and thousands of flights.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
And that's what we need to do. We need to have these individuals to say, "No, I will not
comply." I will not comply, no matter what the consequence, whether if you take away my
pension, if you fire me, if you discredit me and I can never work again in my profession." We've
got to do that. That's what it's going to take.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
No. It is slavery or freedom. And if you look at what they're planning and what they're shooting
for with this is complete financial and technological control grid. That is slavery. I mean, when
the World Economic Forum says it's 2030 and you have no assets, what is it about that that's not
clear? You have no assets means you're a slave. So I agree with you.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
What percentage of the population right now has no assets? Is it like 50%? I don't know.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
It's very significant. Believe it or not, the FED statistic shows that the wealth of the bottom half
has increased during the pandemic because of housing inflation. So I assure you that that is a
ruse.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. Well, maybe not assets when I was saying, but with respect to liquid assets, it's
extraordinary. It's like 70% or 80% of the people don't even have a few hundred dollars in
reserve.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Right. Well, that's because what we've watched is a tremendous effort to whether it's bankrupting
sovereign individuals or bankrupting sovereign governments is literally bankrupting the
population and the governments so that it's much easier for the central bankers to take control. I
mean, that's what I've been writing about since 1998 is that this is a financial coup d'etat. And
now the financial coup d'etat is being consolidated in actually coup d'etat where the central
bankers just serve jurisdiction over the treasury and the tax money.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And if they can get the passports in the CBDC, then in fact, it will just be able to take taxes out
of our accounts and take our assets. So this is a real coup d'etat, and that's why if you look
broadly at the population, we are the guys who are building the prison. We have the power to
stop. And that's what the Southwest pilots, God love them, approved.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. So I'm very glad we got here. I knew we would eventually, but this is exactly what I
wanted to discuss. And for those of you watching this who are not familiar with the acronym
CBDC, that's short for Central Bank Digital Currencies, and that's really at the crux of this. And
I'm a firm believer and as I believe you are, too, that the authentic cryptocurrencies that are
decentralized like Bitcoin is the prime example are a powerful alternative and a resource. And in
my view, the only resource... You're going to take a counter position, but we'll have a dialogue.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I'm going to take a counter position because remember, they are all operating on systems that are
controlled by the existing governance system. I believe that any blockchain technology under the
current governance system is a danger. So I think that's what you have to remember. And many
people believe the current cryptos are much more private than I believe they are.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I would concur with that for the centralized ones. And most of them are centralized. But for the
decentralized ones, there's no central server. There's no central point of control where you can
target when you've got literally thousands, maybe millions of nodes running all over the world.
So it would be really hard to shut off. The only way you could do it is to really shut off the
internet, which is possible.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Having litigated with the Department of Justice for 11 years over financial issues and money
issues, I think they have the ability to exercise remarkable control over any of them.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So how would that control look like, since you've have expertise in there?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
It looks like physical force. I mean, they control the hardware, they control the satellites, they
control the cables.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
But they don't control the private keys and the decentralized elements. As I understand,
mechanically and physically, it's like next to impossible to actually access that.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I disagree if they target individuals. I've watched lots of people get subpoenas and have the FBI
arrive at their door and it's amazing what they will hand over and go along with.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. But that's under force or threat.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Right. So their ability to deliver that threat when they want to is profound. If you look at why
190 plus presidents and premier's are going along with what's going on, it's only because of their
ability to deliver physical force. And that's what we have to deal with. Now, I still believe we
have the power to completely turn this around. I want to mention one thing though, because the
important thing, our danger point is not CBDC's. CBDC's will take them quite a while to figure
out. Our danger point is the vaccine passports.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
If they get the passports, then I would argue, as a practical matter, we lose our ability to stop the
CBDCs. So whatever we need to do, we need to stop the passports. The passports give them the
kind of control they need of the digital and financial transactions that then leads into the CBDCs.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
It's interesting that you mentioned the vaccine passports and how important they are, especially
in your perspective preceding the importance of the CBDCs implementation. But can you walk
us through your logic of why they presume so much importance or why you're presuming they're
so important and then how we can effectively do this? How can we resist and integrate into that
equation the fact that many governors in the United States have actually passed legislation
against forbidding these vaccine passports, Florida being one of them?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Yeah, it's a very good development. So the passports create a digital transaction system that
documents and tracks all transactions. And if you then combine that with a central bank control
digital currency, that then gives you the ability to stop transactions. So if I don't want you
transacting more than five miles from your home, I have the ability to do so. If I don't want you
buying pizzas, I have the ability to do so.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So it's step one to building that control grid. I don't know if you've ever seen the... If you go to
Solari at solari.com and you click on Cash Friday, which is a campaign we're doing to get
everybody to use cash on Friday, they'll see a 56 second video of Carstens, the general manager
of the Bank of International Settlements, explaining how with CBDC, they'll have the ability to
enforce all the rules they want to create about CBDCs in your money.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
But when you watch, it's very, very chilling and it communicates about the control they think
they're going to have when this is over. But to get that control, first you need the entire passport
system to come into being. So that's basically the information grid that then the CBDCs can plug
into. The passports are now. We need to stop these now. Don't even worry about the CBDCs
because once you get the passports, especially...
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Those are a done deal.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, the other thing is I've seen passport apps that show people getting eight or more boosters.
Who's going to worry about CBDCs if you've had two of these injections and eight boosters? I
mean, the question is, are you going to be alive at that point? I don't know.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So these apps you're referring to are like illustrations of what it's going to look like in the future?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
No. One was a Spanish app that was already being promoted.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
That had eight boosters?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Yeah.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Wow. The most I've ever heard of was four in Israel. I didn't realize it was up to eight.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I'm assuming it was accurate. I think it came into one of the social media sites. But if you look at
some of the contracts the US has signed, they're providing for sufficient files for one month. I'm
not saying that's the plan, but that's the capacity they're creating. I mean, if you get a passport
system in place that can literally stop your financial transactions, unless you get another booster,
imagine with CBDCs, it can stop all your transactions. It can change the amount of money. It can
take money out of your bank account. In other words, it's no longer a currency. It's a credit that
the company store and the company controls everything.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So how can the average person resist other than moving to a state where the governor or the state
government forbids this? What can they practically do?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I certainly think that's one thing they can do. But the other thing they can do is just refuse to use
it. And if that means we have to create alternative capacities for help, if that means we have to
create alternative capacities to grow food, if we have to build a parallel economy, even an
underground economy, that's what we have to do. You can't start down this pathway.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Okay. So let me ask you a practical logistical issue, because it seems it's inevitable that they're
going to in the not too distant future implement this for domestic air travel. I mean, if you go into
international now, it's not a vaccine passport. It's something similar. You can not enter that
country you're going to unless you have a QR code. Typically, that's not a traditional vaccine
passport, but we're getting really close. So it seems to me the only options are charter and they
may force the charter companies to do this also, or at least mandate it. But the other option is you
either don't go or drive.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So I've been driving for years and one of the reasons I've been driving for years is all sorts of
hassle and problems politically with flying. But I think my attitude is...
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Wait, are these personal hassles that they've directed to you.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So I was litigating with the federal government and your bags show up empty sometimes.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Oh my God.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Oh yeah. No, no, no, no. In fact, I have one series of 12 parts called deep state tactics on the
Solari Report. So a subscriber wanted me to just describe all the different sort of things that get
done to harass you and the games that are played. And it was so popular, I just kept going. So it's
now 12 parts. But anyway, so I have a PhD in deep tactics. And because of that, you get bounced
from airplanes, other things like that. So I used to drive, I mean, literally I would drive to
California and back just because it was more efficient and...
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Oh, you're in the East Coast now?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, right now I'm in the Netherlands, but my base camp is in Tennessee. So I would regularly
drive to Oregon. I would drive to California.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Oh my Gosh? What is that? A three or four day trip?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Yeah. I would do things in between. And the other thing is I had it set up so that between audio
and the phone, I could have a full office day in the car.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So are you driving yourself or is someone driving you?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
No, I was driving myself. I loved to drive. I've put a lot of miles on a lot of cars.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I can imagine.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
But you learn so much about what's really going on. There is no better source of information
than driving around the country, talking to people and talking to the truckers in the truck stops. If
there's one group of people in America that know what's going on, it's the truckers.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. There's a number of investigative journalists that are trying this or are seeking to
implement that strategy, trying to cover what the reality and what the truth is.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, one of the things I did was I discovered there was a whole community of people who did
RV living because they just didn't trust any jurisdiction. And they wanted the ability to get up
and go. And that group has been growing steadily. So my feeling is we have to say no and we
have to do whatever we can do. I went through that decision process during the litigation because
I was absolutely convinced if I kept saying no, that the chances were very high I could be killed.
And I was poisoned on many occasions. So I dealt with some pretty severe harassment. And all I
can tell you is saying no turned out to be the smartest thing I ever did. I'm not saying that isn't
difficult. I went from being...
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Inconvenient, for sure.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
It's exceptionally inconvenient. I went from being a very wealthy person to having to live
through periods of intense poverty. It was pretty gruesome. But at the same time, you come out
the other end and it's a great life. It's just a great life to be free. I'll never forget. I'll tell you a
funny story. I was having breakfast a couple of years ago in Union Station in Washington with a
friend of mine who used to be a Congressman.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And so we didn't like the place we were having breakfast. So we walked across Union Station to
go to another restaurant and we bumped into a senator coming in on the Amtrak. And it was a
guy who became Senator after I left Washington. So I didn't know him. And my friend was
talking to him and then he introduced me. And so the Senator was being polite and he said,
"What do you do?"
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And I said, "Well, Senator, I run something called the Solari Report. I have a wonderful group of
subscribers who let me go anywhere. I interview whoever I want, write about whatever I want."
And he looked at me and I was trying to be light and funny. And his face just this wave of grief
came over and he said, "Oh my God, how could I get that job?" He looked seriously jealous. And
I said, "Well, Senator, the apprenticeship is a little rough."
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
This was a US Senator, right?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
It was a US senator. I appreciate how difficult his job is. It's like being in a prison. So I don't
think there's any way to get to a free and inspired life other than turtling into it. You have to say
no. And if we don't say no, we're going to be slaves. And I frankly I'd rather be dead than take
these injections. God knows what's in them.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. I couldn't agree more. It's my understanding that most of these politicians, congressmen,
for sure, certain senators also, that a good portion of their time is just spent on financing their
campaigns for the next election series. So that's a massive waste of time. I was invited by the
Republican party of the state of Illinois to run for governor and I quickly said no. No thoughts of
any political life. I said I don't want to be in that arena, because it's just such an inefficient waste
of time.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
But your response is very powerful. And I wasn't really expecting that. There's a lot more talk
about the finances on this, but this may be the most important point in the whole interview is that
a very wealthy person, prominent and influential like yourself consciously chose to say no, to
resist in an earlier stage that far proceeded this pandemic. But nevertheless, it's the same
consequences. You said no.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
And I think that may be the most important message that we can share with people, encourage,
motivate, and catalyze them to behavior and use you as an example. So yes, it's going to be
inconvenient. It's going to be painful. But when you come out on the other side, it may be the
best thing that ever happened to you.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Absolutely. Because you know something? Without integrity, there's nothing. Without law,
there's nothing. Without rules, there's nothing. In other words, there's certain things in life you
can't compromise on. And if you do, it's a slippery slope down. So one of the things I say to
people who say, "I might lose my job if I don't go along with getting an injection," I said, why
would you want to work for anybody who would ever mandate that you put poison into your
body that you're not allowed to know what's in it? Why would you want that job?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, let's tangent there for a moment because I think it's an important point. Because Biden a
few weeks ago issued this unconstitutional presidential directive that companies that have more
than a hundred were required to mandate it. And the penalty at that point I believe was $17,000
fine, from which in the current iteration of the bill has increased a $700,000. And I think that's
per incident.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So that would quickly bankrupt all but the wealthiest companies in the United States. So they
don't have any choice, either they comply or they're bankrupt. So do you fault the company for
that?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Yeah, I do.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I want to understand your logic for that. Why?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
This is genocide. If a government without a legal a basis in law, there is no OSHA temporary
emergency rule. There is no document. If I'm a company and you have no law and you have no
regulation and you have no emergency regulation, you can't legislate law by press conference,
and you can't apply civil money penalties out of thin air.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So you don't think they'll ever be implemented, the penalties?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I don't know in what basis in law you can apply a civil money penalty to a violation of a nonexistent
law and a non-existent rule. Now, I'm not saying you can't find a judge and threaten him
and scare him into going along with that. But I have to tell you, if there's anything worth
litigating, it's that. But let's talk about whether a company can exist as a political matter.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
If every company in the world is basically a captive of blackmail of the SPECTRE organization,
because this is getting very James Bond. And so no one can represent the shareholder because
they can't say no to organized crime. Then we no longer have an economy. We no longer have a
stock market. We no longer have a country.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
We no longer have a civilization. We just have a mob, right? It's all gone. So to me, I can't think
of anything better to litigate than whether or not we're going to have law. If everything is just the
rule of the mafia, there will be no companies. There will be no stock market. There will be no
financial system. And a lot of us are going to die.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, there's many people that believe that that's already in play now when you've essentially
jabbed what appears to be the majority of the population. That's what they claim. It's hard to get
real numbers because they lie so much. So what can you trust? What data is reliable?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I don't know. I think we're going to have to decide whether we want to have the rule of law or
not.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Sure. Fundamental. I'm sure you're familiar with David Martin, who's really uncovered a lot of
the paper trail behind this going back two decades. And it's his contention when I interviewed
him that to this point, that there's three branches of the government, obviously: legislative,
executive, and judicial. He believes that they've captured the judicial system because they've
essentially busted the whole balance of the United States approach because they control it. And
through the judicial branch, they can implement these illegal unconstitutional orders.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, here's the question. And I don't think the judicial branch is enough to implement illegal
unconstitutional orders. Because ultimately it comes down to 325 million people in America
paying their taxes, putting their money in investments. In other words, 325 million people have
tremendous influence with how they use their time and their resources. But what I do think, it
gets back to coercion and force.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Do we have as a society sufficient covert ops, control files, blackmail, and dirty tricks to
basically bribe, coerce or scare every judge into going along? It's very interesting. Because I
litigated with the federal government and I saw a lot of pressure brought to bear in a lot of
judges. But they couldn't buy and control everyone. They could buy and control some, is my read
of what really happened, but not everyone. And it was a miracle because I won the most
important case. And everybody told me it was impossible. It couldn't be done. And yet a judge
held firm.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
What year was that?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
2003, 2004. So I don't believe that organized crime with all its coercive force has the power to
basically sabotage all whilst people stand up.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
You mentioned organized crime. I mean, when you say a word like that, you typically think of
the mafia. I'm sure it's not because the mafia is actually clean compared to the criminals who are
implementing this.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
That's why I called it SPECTRE. So we're talking about the people who have ventral space and
space weapons.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
That's another one of your specialties, too, the funding of the space program. I don't think we'll
have time to go there, but it's really intriguing. And I've heard you talk it before. I mean, we
could spend hours talking. Your knowledge base is very, very deep. And you have insights that
really few people have access to. But maybe we could just tangent a little bit on who's behind
this. I've reached a conclusion that the closest we can get the identity of these criminals is that
the private shareholders of Vanguard, because they own most of the companies of the world.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I would say, actually, if you look at how Vanguard is organized or my understanding of how
Vanguard is organized, I would say it's really the private owners of the central banks.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Really? And that information is not disclosed. The owners of the central bank is hidden.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So Vanguard is essentially owned by itself. So the question is, who controls it behind the scenes?
I have an online book called Dillon Read and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits. I've tried to
publish it in hard copy three times and each time I've been threatened. And the last time they
threatened somebody in my family. So I've left it online. I said it's not worth... I have no idea
whether it was an empty threat or a real threat, but I thought it could have been real enough that I
just said, okay, I'll just leave it online.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
But I tell the story of how at one point I was a partner and member of the board of Dillon Read.
At one point, I was surprised at their choice of the next president of the firm and a wonderful
partner there whose father had run the firm once upon a time and the chairman. So I said to him,
"I'm surprised at the choice. He's not a Nick guy at all." Nick Brady, being the the chairman of
the firm, had gone down to the Senate to be in the Senate for a while, which is why they were
bringing another president.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And my partner looked at me and he said, "Nick didn't choose him. The Rothschild's choose
him." And I said, "Wait a minute. We own the firm. What does the Rothschild's have to do with
us?" And he just looked at me and he rolled his eyes. I used to get these looks like I knew if you
made a woman a partner, they're so stupid. They have no clue. We shouldn't have done this. So I
got the, "Oh God, we should have never made a girl partner. Look." And he just walked off like I
was the dumbest person in America.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
All right. Well, you've learned a lot since that moment. Can you expand on it? Because that's
another interesting tangent because many believe that Rothschilds are probably the richest family
in the world and do control a lot of the behind the scenes issues and really their absolute wealth
is not disclosed anywhere. So they're never going to make any Forbes list.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
My nickname for the committee that runs the world is the Mr. Global. So I don't really
understand how it works at the top. Here's what I will tell you is, one, decision-making is highly
centralized. It's very much committees because it's a big planet and it's complicated and it's hard
to run. And the people running it are a prisoner of 50 years of secrecy.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
They've gotten hung on the petard of their own secrecy. And what I will tell you about the
financial system is that there is a tremendous amount of money since World War II that
constantly disappears through the financial system. It's almost as though the planet is a REIT. I'll
never forget watching a movie Jupiter Ascending and the princess from faraway galaxy looks at
this woman from earth and she says, "Earth is just a very small part of a much bigger
corporation."
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Actually, if you look at the financial system, that is how it works, as though everybody's being
forced to produce this dividend and it's become very dysfunctional because of the secrecy. Now,
I have been told on several occasions and I tend to believe it that the people who literally run
what most people call the deep state have tried to figure out how they could reduce the
transparency and they run into so many liability issues, they just give up.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And I have to tell you, if there is one solution we all need is to bring tremendous transparency
and reduce the risk of the people at the top. Because I think one of the reasons they're going into
complete control is they think with a smart grid and whatever they're trying to put in the body,
they can get complete control, including mind control. And that is how they can manage things
very centrally with AI.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I think it's a terrible mistake. I disagree with the decisions. But I think they feel like they're in a
box and don't know what else to do. And if we're going to get out of this, one, we need to just say
no and refuse to go into the box. And the other is we need to bring transparency and we need to
bring in a transparency where we can all change. Because we do need a reset. If we keep going
the way we're going, it's not going to work.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people who believe it's a mathematical inevitability that the
financial system has to collapse. You cannot keep on putting debt endlessly and not expect that
result. The only issue is when, it's not if. It's when.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
The reason that is the case is because we have a negative return on investment. But you could
absolutely re-engineer the financial system to a positive return on investment. but that means the
same people can't control and the corporate model can't control. The corporate model right now
is a complete failure. So it has to be re-engineered.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
What is that model that you're referring to?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
The model says that corporations basically can function above the law. I mean, right now we
have a legal doctrine that says as long as they can make money, they're free more or less to act
above the law. The economy has to be subservient to the society. You cannot let your economic
life determine the rule of law. And so we've given basically legal immunity to the big
international banks and through them to the corporations.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And the current corporate model, as it currently exists, does not work. What we're watching is
the society be destroyed to keep it going and give them complete control to keep it going. And
frankly, you cannot have a healthy economy or society when the financial sector is dominant, as
opposed to subservient. The financial system should serve society and civilization, not vice
versa.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. So in your previous comment, you had mentioned that Mr. Global had these intentions,
desires, these long-term plans that was going to implement complete control as their strategy to
insulate themselves from any liability. And you disagreed that that is even possible. But there's
an implication in there that everyone knows what this complete control is and I think almost no
one does. So can you expand on what your perception is of their...
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Complete control is you're on a smart grid that's under 24/7 surveillance and subjects you to all
sorts of propaganda and mind control, and they have the power to literally turn off your money if
you don't behave. And that can be managed with software and AI and basically a smart grid.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Through the vaccine passport and CBDC.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Yeah. So I would describe it as a slavery system. And if you go back and look at the history of
slavery, there were two reasons I believe they canceled the African-American slave trade and
digital technology solves both those problems. So now they can literally collateralize a human
being and connect it to the banking system and they can stop all violent revolution once they
have everybody basically digitized and on a financial transaction control system. The passports
are not just an invasion of privacy, they are a first step into a slaughterhouse in which you do not
want to go.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Do you have any projections as to the timeframe on their plans?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So I think they would like to have the CBDC system sort of figured out and worked out by 2025.
And clearly, wherever they want to go with transhumanism, I think they want that sort of in
place by 2030 just to listen to their plans. I think it's very hard for most people to understand how
gruesome some of the transhumanist visions are. My concern when you look at the questions that
Mike Hayden and others have brought up about fertility is now that they have gene editing, are
they really planning on centrally controlling who can and cannot have babies and what the genes
that come into the world are?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. Hayden and others believe that a major consequence of these COVID injections are going
to be massive reduction in fertility, so an increase in fertility, which is already collapsing at a
pretty frightening rate. And not due to the COVID injection, it's just primarily due to external
toxins and dalleys and BPA's and all those.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, for many years on the Solari Report, I've discussed something called The Great Poisoning.
And I really think the COVID-19 injections are just a next step and acceleration of the great
poisoning and need to be seen in that context.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
As a great poisoning, it includes these other environmental toxins.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Right. And GMO food and synthetic food and spraying whatever's in the spraying. One of the
things I saw from...
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
By spraying, you're talking about geoengineering?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Yeah. And what I saw driving around America from 1996 on was the deterioration in the food
supply, the increase in sort of environmental pollutions in the spring was leading to literally an
epidemic that came from increased toxicity and immunosuppression, the combination of which
everybody would die of whatever their weaknesses. It didn't look like an epidemic, but it really
was. It was a poisoning.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. That definitely makes sense. A part of their overall strategy. And we'll know. I mean, do
you have any insights or projections with respect to timing on the acute results of what's going to
happen this fall and maybe getting into next year as a result of these injections?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I think the situation is very fluid. I think it's impossible to predict. And it could go many different
ways, partly because think of the decision-making process at the top as very creative. So we're in
a war and their strategies depend on our strategies as well. I think that we're in a very intense
negotiation between the general population and the people trying to manage this. And I also don't
think that they all... Again, it's a complex committee system and they don't necessarily have a
tight consensus.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
And what is your perception of the resistance, the people who are resisting their efforts? Because
clearly there's not one group. It's a wide variety of different people. And are they just collectively
analyzing their response and what they're censoring, suppressing and seeing what's happening
and that's their measure of how they're going to change their operation or plans?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Yeah. So I think they're constantly calibrating. What I see, which is very unusual and very
special, and it's the first time... I left the Bush administration in 1991 and said the fascists are
going to get ahold of this technology. We have to do something we need to play on. So I thought
it was an emergency in 1991. For the first time I'm seeing extraordinarily talented, well-educated
people who have always been reluctant.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
They've always wanted to stay in the middle of the road. And they're literally saying something, I
would rather die than be a part of this. They're having the same response I had in 1998. I would
rather die in the wilderness trying than be part of this. I want out. I remember one really
phenomenal scientist and doctor saying to me, "I'm ready to start a whole new civilization." And
that's a wave of talent and gravitas I've never seen before saying, "I'd rather be part of the new.
I've had it with this." So I see a tremendous breakout of, it's not just pushback, but of people who
want to be part of something that is civilized and realize that corruption has reached a point
where there's no point trying to get along or be in the middle of the road or go along.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, what's your perception of how that would look being implemented? How would these
people who feel very strongly about this as you do actually put that into action, other than saying
no and resisting these mandates?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
It's thousands of different fact patterns because different people have different skills. They have
different resources. They have different networks. You're hearing reports of companies having
problems hiring employees all over the country. That's people saying there's no point in trying to
work in the corporate model anymore. There's no point in trying to get along. I can't get along.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
I'd rather go start my own thing or I'd rather retire early or I'd rather work as a part-time
consultant. I used to have a great cleaning company that I would work with. They were all
corporate executives who had left corporate America and were working doing high-end cleaning
because they preferred to do high-end cleaning than working in a corporation. And they were
very talented, retired executives, some were stockbrokers.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So I think there are thousands of different fact patterns. I think it's very hard to describe it
generically. But I just think you're watching enormous amounts of talent and intelligence
breakaway. And the challenge for all of us is, how can we swing our savings and our retirement
savings to finance the creation of that new capacity? On one hand, you have students leaving
school and needing to homeschool.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
On the other hand, you have teachers leaving schools because they don't want to get the
injection. We've got to create businesses and networks and websites that help us find each other.
So if that process occurs in an entrepreneurial way, it could be very positive and very exciting.
That's what I see in the new media, is that that is occurring in the new media. But it needs to
happen in healthcare. It needs to happen in education. And it's going to require enough people
realizing that the Titanic is sinking. There's no way back. They might as well grab some planks
and start building arks.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. What you described seems eerily similar to Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Welcome to Galt's Gulch. Yeah. There's no way back. It's over.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
It's a tough one as well.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
You know something? Without integrity, there's no civilization. So if you want to be part of
something that has integrity, you can't stay. I say it again, there's no middle of the road.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So I'm particularly fascinated with Atlas Shrugged. I mean, the book was written 70 years ago.
Incredibly prescient in our current times. It seems like that's what you're suggesting, a similar
process, where you just escape and say no and you retreat.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, I think what I would say is you say yes to integrity and you say who or what...
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
No to society and you're not going to contribute to it anymore.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, no. You say yes to civilization and you say no to organized crime. I disagree with the
organized crime of society. I really do.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
The perception is that is a no.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, but here's the thing. If you don't have any law, nothing can work. It's like science without
facts. What good is science without facts?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Propaganda.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Exactly. So you have seen and I have seen millions of families financially destroyed by getting
their medicine and their healthcare from propaganda instead of from science. So if you look at
the mathematics of time and money, you cannot have a productive society without real science
and without law. It can't work. It cannot work. So I say, say yes to science, say yes to integrity,
say yes to law.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And then every person's circumstance is different, but find a way to translate that yes into
something productive. Be useful. That's what I tried to do. I had a wonderful life as an
investment banker, but I woke up and I couldn't be an investment banker because I was swinging
around billions of dollars. So you had to work for governments and corporations. And I
remember in 1998, I turned to my attorney and I said, "We're going to have to find a way to
support ourselves at retail."
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And she looked at me and she said, "Good luck, honey." Because people like me were... I did
billion dollar deals. I didn't know how to do a financial plan for somebody who had $25,000. So
I started by just answering people's questions and those questions evolved into two businesses,
one of which is the Solari Report and the other is Solari Investment Advisory Services. It took
many years, but I just tried to be useful. So we each have to start there. We have to say, what
skills do I have? What skills can I learn?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
What skills can I evolve? And how can I serve the people around me? What can I do to be
useful? And we go from there. But you have to choose integrity and civilization or choose being
a slave of organized crime. You have to make that choice. And you know something? It's a
dangerous choice. I almost died. I almost didn't make it. And I might not have made it, but I
assure you as I... Well, I told my old partner, I'd rather die in the wilderness than be in the
underground cave or the underground places with you guys.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, it's a tough choice, but I think being integrity has many, many benefits and you're a blazing
example of what that can be. So as you mentioned, this is an evolving set up and the only way
that we're going to be able to react optimally is to have good sources of information. And you
could be a hundred percent guaranteed, assured to the highest degree of competence that you are
not ever going to get that from the mainstream media.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
They are going to give you blatant lies and propaganda. The classic illustration of our Willie and
double speed. Almost everything they tell you is the exact opposite of the truth. What's up is
down. What's right is left. What's black is really white. So I wanted to say that to lead into
examples of sources of people who have a good to handle on the truth. And I believe I'm one of
them. And I was surprised to find out before we started this conversation that your Solari Report,
which I want you to describe in more detail next, actually identified me as... I forget what it was,
but it was a real...
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Yeah, here's what I was. We do quarterly wrap-ups where we sort of summarize all the news of
that quarter. And last year we did one called the injection fraud. My article about the COVID-19
pandemic was the injection fraud. And then we titled the wrap up the injection fraud. And in it,
we had a section called pandemic heroes, of which you were one. And those were the people
who really fought hard and gone to extraordinary lengths to sort of protect us, help us, including
with good intelligence. And then we listed the best websites of sources of information on
COVID-19 and the pandemic and you were listed as the number one all-around, most reliable
source. We chose three and you were number one.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, thanks so much. I'd like to get a copy of that.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Have your staff send me how many you want and where we should mail them and I'd be
delighted to send you the pieces you want.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
That'd be great. But anyway, the point of that divergent and tangent was that the Solari Report is
clearly a great resource, something that you would benefit from reading and empowering you to
make the right type of decisions and even motivating and catalyzing you to have the willpower
and the discipline to make those right decisions. So tell us a little bit more about the Solari
Report and how people can find it.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So our goal is really to be an intelligence network. It's funny. We have a section in every wrapup
called unanswered questions and we have more questions than we have answers. And we
have wonderful subscribers who flow a lot of information. So a lot of times I'll say I don't know
the answer and the subscribers will jump on the subscriber input and we'll have lots of
discussions. And it's a very rich intelligence network.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
And so our goal is to be an intelligence network and a learning network and to facilitate that and
grow that. Because if you look at the guys on the other side, they spend a fortune on intelligence.
So I think it's very important that we provide an alternative. And we do a lot of posting and
networking with other new media websites because I go back to the expression there's nobody as
smart as all of us.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
So we publish a weekly roundup called Money & Markets and then an interview every week.
We're constantly posting the best links to other sites, the headlines. And in the news trends and
stories section, we publish book reviews and other materials. But then we do these quarterly
wrap-ups and our theory is you're busy. You don't have time to watch all the news. And our goal
is if you just read those quarterly wrap-ups, over time, you will understand not only what's going
on with current events, but the deeper themes.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Because I find if you understand things like the going direct reset or the injection fraud, if you
understand 20 or 30 different primary trends deeply, you'll have a very good basis to sort of
navigate all the propaganda and disinformation. One of the things we try very hard to do is filter
out the disinformation because I find sort of bad information, bad intelligence is one of the great
destroyers of family wealth. So we try very hard to filter out disinformation and propaganda.
And that's why we're always looking for new media websites that are trustworthy. And again,
thank you for what you're doing because you're one of them.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, thanks. It's exactly what we need because especially in the last two years, when Google
started their sensoring campaign, they took me out in 2019. So simply, if you are relying on the
conventional search engine, let me remind you that, not you, but people watching this, that
Google has 93% of the searches in the world, either through their site directly or through almost
every other search engine that uses them as their primary driver of data.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So if you think you're going to find information about this on the search engine, you simply
aren't. So you need reliable, consistent sources that can keep you updated. And it sounds like the
Solari Report is just an amazing resource and tool to do that because not only do you get the
information from you, but you've identified the other credible sources. So you need a whole
collection of these, because there's no one site that has it all. My site, for sure. I mean, you need a
collection of wide sprains and if you do that, you'll come to a consensus and understand what the
reality is, the truth, because it isn't what mainstream is telling you.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Right. The other thing is what I'm hoping to be part of is creating the best and the richest
possible, highest possible learning speeds, because this is a war. And I happen to believe it's a
10,000 year old war. It's been going on for a long time. And nobody won the war without great
intelligence. So we have to help each other really jump the curve on a high learning speed and
high intelligence.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So just curious, is the 10,000 year war you're referring to the war between good and evil?
Catherine Austin Fitts:
It's a war between good and evil and I also think it's a war for the human soul. In other words, I
believe our souls are immortal and I really think this is a war for the human soul. So yes, I think
it's between good and evil. But I also think, are we going to have a civilization which believes in
transcendent life and intelligence or not? Because I believe what Mr. global ultimately wants to
do through the spark is hook us up to the machine as opposed to hook us up to life. So I think we
resonate with each other in all of life, and I'd rather resonate with the divine intelligence and all
of life than with Mr. Global's cell tower.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. Maybe we can talk about that on a future interview because we didn't even touch the
transhumanism component. But that's another fascinating tangent that could take up a whole
hour easily. All right. So I couldn't agree with you more. There are a lot of experts that I know of
who concur with that assessment. So I think you're spot on. So it's been an absolute delight, an
absolute pleasure to finally get to connect with you. I've known of your work for such a long
time and it's better than I could have expected. So I really appreciate you.
Catherine Austin Fitts:
Well, thank you very much. I appreciate the opportunity and I will see you in Galt's Gulch.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
All right.
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