A major key to a long and healthy life: fasting or a ketogenic diet

[onawah]

Intermittent Fasting for Weight Loss | Natural Health Blog
Date: 09/20/2018 Written by: Hiyaguha Cohen© 1999-2018 The Baseline of Health Foundation
https://jonbarron.org/detoxing-full-..._hsmi=66267893

"If you’re a regular reader, you know that Jon Barron has long advocated intermittent fasting for health and weight loss. His recommended protocol includes fasting one day a week on juice plus a superfood such as chlorella, spirulina, stabilized rice bran, or something equivalent. He also suggests a three-day juice and superfood fast once a month, plus a five-day juice/superfood fast twice a year as part of a bi-annual liver detox.

Those who follow Jon’s protocol get great results, but the idea of giving up a day of gluttony once a week may seem too difficult for some people. Fortunately for the fast-phobic, there’s a different type of intermittent fasting that seems to be a bit less daunting, and lately it’s been catching on like a California wildfire. The concept, known as the 16/8 diet, involves limiting food consumption to a narrow window of time each day, but during that time window anything goes.

Here’s how it works: You’re allowed to eat for eight hours a day. Outside of that, you can’t have anything except water or zero-calorie drinks. So, if you finish dinner by 6:00 pm, you essentially fast until 10 am the next morning, giving you 16 hours without food.

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It sounds so simple, and yet preliminary research indicates that it works on many levels. Animal studies found that rats that were allowed to eat high-fat foods in unlimited quantities within a limited daily time period weighed less and had normal cholesterol and blood glucose levels, while rats allowed to eat whenever they wanted within 24-hour periods gained weight, developed high cholesterol and high blood glucose plus had impaired motor control.1

There’s only been one small human study to date, but the results were equally promising. Twenty-four obese subjects followed the 16:8 plan for 12 weeks. At the end, participants saw significant drops in blood pressure and weight. Strangely, there was also a control group that consisted of subjects who followed a different type of intermittent fasting routine (alternate day fasting), and those on the 16:8 plan lost more weight, consumed fewer calories, and reduced systolic blood pressure more than those fasting every other day. 2

Jon Barron explains some of the benefits of fasting in his book, Lessons from the Miracle Doctors. “First, when you deprive your body of food, your body begins to consume itself to survive. Being geared to self-survival, your body chooses to consume damaged cells and toxic cells first, saving the healthiest for later. It takes a tremendous amount of energy, and puts a tremendous strain on your body's organs, to process food. (Check your heart rate after eating a large meal and observe how exhausted you feel.) When you fast, your body diverts that energy to repair and rebuilding.”

Advocates of time-restricted eating point out that every time you eat, your liver releases insulin to keep blood sugar levels stable. If you confine eating to an eight-hour window, you’re releasing less insulin into the bloodstream, and that’s good because insulin build-up promotes fat storage and inflammation in the body. As research confirms, when insulin levels drop through fasting, insulin sensitivity increases, blood sugar levels normalize, and the body burns fat.3

Intermittent fasting helps you lose weight in three ways. First, unless you’re succumbing to gluttony during the eight-hour eating period, you’ll most likely end up eating fewer calories each day. But more importantly, because you will tend to use up all of your body’s available glucose during your fasting hours, you force your body to start burning fat for energy, which results in weight loss. And finally, as a result of moving your body into a fat burning state, your insulin levels will drop—since it’s no longer needed at the same levels—while at the same time, growth hormone and noradrenaline levels are increased, which yet again increases your body’s breakdown of fat for energy.

As just mentioned, studies show that intermittent fasting triggers the body to produce more Human Growth Hormone (HGH). HGH is key for strength, muscle development, immunity, resistance to disease, recovery from injury, weight loss, and optimized metabolism. Research also indicates that intermittent fasting can induce a type of cellular repair process called autolysis that helps the body “intelligently” rid itself of waste and toxins, and animal studies show that it might even extend lifespan. Other benefits include increased resistance to injury from cardiac events, heart-rate stabilization, and reduced oxidative damage.4

And finally, research indicates that intermittent fasting might be good for the brain as well. One study of fruit flies found that fasting blocked the synaptic activity of neurons.5 Since overactive synaptic activity is associated with Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s Disease, it’s possible that fasting has a protective effect on the brain. Meanwhile, rat studies out of Johns Hopkins found similar results, but in addition, concluded that the brain stimulates chemicals that promote cell growth, and, in fact, the brain creates new cells and becomes more resistant to plaque when stressed by fasting.6 According to study director Dr. Mark Mattson, neuroscience professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, "There's an increase in adaptive stress responses when people intermittently fast that is good for maintaining the brain…As is similar to what happens when muscles are exercised, the neurons in the brain benefit from being mildly stressed.”

If you decide to try the 16:8 diet, here are some things to keep in mind:

Experts suggest very young children shouldn’t fast as they need extra calories for growth. On the other hand, fasting has been shown to reduce seizures in epileptic kids. Also, diabetics and those with low blood sugar should check with their health practitioner before fasting.

You can choose any time window you prefer, as long as you restrict food intake to an eight-hour window each day. But do keep in mind that the later you eat, the more difficult weight loss will be for you, as studies show that once the body releases melatonin, which happens close to bedtime, calorie burning naturally slows down. Finishing dinner by six and then fasting until breakfast at 10 the next morning is ideal.

Some sources say it’s okay, or even good, to drink coffee or tea (without cream or sugar) during your fasting hours to help you combat hunger. Others claim that such beverages will trigger metabolic processes in your body, and so it’s better to simply drink water.7

For weight loss, the usual rules apply during eating hours. If you pig out during your eight-hour window, you’ll sabotage any benefits you might have gained during the fasting hours.

Experts say the average person loses seven to 10 pounds within 10 weeks of starting the intermittent fasting regimen.8

You probably won’t get that hungry. 16:8 fasting isn’t like fasting for an entire day, and drinking water (or coffee or tea) will most likely sustain you during your fasting hours. Staying busy helps so you don’t focus on what you’re missing. If you really can’t make it 16 hours without food, try going 15 or 14 hours at first, and work your way up. But keep in mind, you really do need to get up to around 16 hours of fasting a day for the benefits to kick in."

1. Burrell, Susie. “Eight-hour diet is key to weight loss, according to experts.” News.com.au. 6 September 2018. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...fd2cf0322c1b66
2. University of Chicago. “Daily fasting works for weight loss, finds study on 16:8 diet.” 18 June 2018. Science Daily. 6 September 2018. https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0618113038.htm
3. Heilbronn, LK et al. “Alternate-day fasting in nonobese subjects: effects on body weight, body composition, and energy metabolism.” 8 January 2005. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 9 September 2018. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15640462
4. Mattson, MP and Wan, R. “Beneficial effects of intermittent fasting and caloric restriction on the cardiovascular and cerebrovascular systems.” 16 March 2005. Journal of Nutritional Biochemistry. 9 September 2018. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15741046
5. Lidicker, Gretchen. “New Research Shows How Intermittent Fasting is Like Decluttering for Your Brain.” 14 December 2016. Mindbodygreen. 7 September 2016. https://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-2812...our-brain.html
6. Anft, Michael. “Don’t Feed Your Head.” September 2012. Johns Hopkins Magazine. 9 September 2018. https://hub.jhu.edu/magazine/2012/su...eed-your-head/
7. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-f...ittent-fasting
8. Haney, Stephanie. “This is How Long It’ll Take for Intermittent Fasting to Work.” 5 September 2018. MSN Health & Fitness. 9 September 2018. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/die...BoPH6F#image=5

[TargeT]

found a good info-graphic for explanation of Ketosis


https://i.imgur.com/4KyfDi3.jpg

[TargeT]

My mom has been eating only eggs, bacon and steak for 3 years now & it has vastly improved her weight and energy levels..

I primarily eat meat with very few plant based items...

Hope this helps someone, it's an amazing story either way.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ka9WBEijhk

[rgray222]

Interesting talk, it appears that Mikhaila Peterson is not anti-vegan or anti-vegetarian she was just desperate to find answers to her health issue.

Here is a little more info on her diet - The Lion Diet

The Lion Diet is a carnivorous diet that consists solely of ruminant meat (beef, lamb, goat, etc.), salt, and water. It’s the ultimate elimination diet. It eliminates all other dietary variables, and sustains your body’s nutritional needs, allowing you to thrive. How else do you scientifically and accurately test what foods are bugging you? You remove them all, start with one food that gives you everything you need, wait until your symptoms abate, and slowly reintroduce foods.

Thousands of people have followed this way of eating, reporting complete remissions of autoimmune, psychological and digestive illnesses, as well as significant improvements to cognitive, emotional and physical health.

[Metalaane]

Good thread. Carnivore and keto both. Carnivore is kind of a nuclear option for people with terrible autoimmune problems but it's completely viable and healthy if done right for just about anyone (there's always the exception in anything). I primarily do targeted keto of sorts. I combine it with One Meal A Day five days out of the week, and will throw in some carbs with my OMAD after a heavy workout to help promote more hypertrophy, but even if I "break" keto in that meal, I'm active enough to where I always end up back in ketosis by the end of the following day. I once did 30 days straight of carnivore, though, and felt great. With prices on food these days, that's kind of difficult to sustain now. But I'd say, if you have the money, carnivore can be fantastic for you.

Some would say that depression and general mood disorders are at least linked to autoimmune conditions. I definitely have better mental health when I'm fasting and eating keto as described above. Likewise, I have lifelong eczema patches in a few places and I never have flare ups this way. If I deviate too long, and too long is like...a mere three days...my mood starts diving into the gutter and the eczema starts to act up.

[Bill Ryan]

Do see these two major threads:

• A major key to a long and healthy life: fasting or a ketogenic diet
• Ketogenic Diet Beats Chemo For Almost All Cancers

[Blastolabs]

I've unconsciously been on the carnivore diet my whole life.

Something mentally has always repulsed me about fruits and most vegetables.

I have an extremely fast metabolism and a resting heart of 80, blood pressure was recently tested by a doctor at 119/78

I don't take any prescription medicines and normally go to the doctor, my recent visit was my first checkup in 10 years and everything looked good.

Doctor seemed shocked that I had not been sick anytime recently despite being unvaccinated.



Not sure why fruits gross me out but it is a mental barrier that is extremely strong and not something I can really overcome.

Sounds odd but I do eat about as "unhealthy" as possible and seem to be healthy despite my diet.

[Mari]

Cardiologist Robert Atkins had the ketogenic principal well and truly covered in the 1960's. He, of course was demonized by the interests he threatened, ably supported by the media. I went on this diet 20 years ago and very comfortably lost 3 stone in 4 months. I did miss my carbs though (bread pasta etc) and gradually crept back onto my old diet. But I have to say I felt great whilst on this diet and can quite happily adopt the carnivore method these days, and often do, when I feel my gut biome needs an overhaul....

[Le Chat]

I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.

But I'm biased. Meat is murder IMO....

[guenonsbitch]

I swear the tech gods have been ****ing with me recently. Just last night my partner announced to me he's decided to try a carnivore diet and he thinks I should too to resolve some health stuff I've had for several years involving an accident. And then this is the first post I see when I open project Avalon!! However, I'm a strict ethical vegan that believes trauma is the root of most disease (German New Medicine.) Eating a slaughtered animal goes against everything in my being, I don't care how spectacular and gladiatorial it makes you feel. I choose compassion and ahimsa. If he continues on this path I do not think we can stay together as it's too different of paths. I don't argue that you can have health benefits from eating just meat, but what about the state of your spirit from consuming all the tortured animals?

[TargeT]

Morality often in reality is just preference.

Preference has little to do with health, the moral implications of diet are an entirely different topic.

There is no "one size fits all" solution here, everyone needs to pay attention to their own bodies and go with what works. This was not an attempt to slight plant eaters.

[gini]

I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

[TargeT]

Posted by gini (here)
I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of "murder" we are willing to accept.

[gini]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by gini (here)
I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of murder you are willing to accept.

The question IS about health.is this diet possible with lower animal life forms or not? The only "moral" aspect is also practical;example ,i cannot kill a mammal (not only for moral reasons! i cant hunt and dont know how to slaughter),but i can hunt seafood and fish .I just want to know if that would work as well?

[TargeT]

Posted by gini (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by gini (here)
I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of murder you are willing to accept.

The question IS about health.is this diet possible with lower animal life forms or not? The only "moral" aspect is also practical;example ,i cannot kill a mammal (not only for moral reasons! i cant hunt and dont know how to slaughter),but i can hunt seafood and fish .I just want to know if that would work as well?

Red meat proteins are highly (the highest from my research) bioavailable with every single thing you need (a "whole food" ) to survive... a Pescatarian diet needs iron sources, but plants (and the often ignored (shockingly so) phytotoxins) are often not the best for supplement.. every living thing has some sort of self defense, plants use phytotoxins (which some humans are sensitive too... which is why the plants produce them.. to stop from being eaten) and as such are not always the best for some people.. again this is so "custom" to you and your body type.. there is no one-solution-fits-all if yo uare phytotoxin tolerant you can easily live off plant biome, some people aren't and benefit greatly from a non plant diet.

life is a puzzle, we all have to find out how we best fit in with the entire cycle; ignoring the influence of predators is a lesson we have learned over and over.... and as the APEXpreditor we need to maybe look at this a bit more at times.

for example:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q

Existence is wholistic... we cannot cut out a part of it and think it won't be detrimental, even if it is currently distasteful via our preferences.


edit: I grew up hunting since age 11, there are plenty of youtube videos out there to teach, but you'll have to adapt to the system instead of trying to force ideals on it... we have history as a lesson, and it's very clear in what it teaches us (hunter gather etc..)

[I am B]

I started some personal kind of keto/paleo diet two years ago.

Best decision EVER

I took grain and similar ways of production to be a recent invention on the evolutive scale (is it a scientifically correct claim? I don't know) , so I cut everything related to it. (bread, pasta, rice, beans, and obviously processed sweet thingies like cookies etc)
It makes you realise how heavy and health damaging many of those foods are, specially pasta.
I go mountain hike 15km every two days, and I am literally unable if I eat pasta or rice that day.

I try not to abuse meat, but I also take it when my body asks for it. Back "in the day" hunting birds or mammals was likely a daily thing to do, so why would I cut it. And then there is fish, which was a reliable way of feeding oneself too. On the other hand I don't think cutting on fruit or vegetables and going solo meat is a correct thing to do. Humans have fed from that since before history was history too, the same way they did from meat.

Also I get most of my food from natural sources/contacts. Including meat. I don't think this is something doable if its done only by buying whatever you're given on a supermarket, since the meat quality there is ages behind, soaked in chemicals and "bad vibes".

I haven't got sick since then. Went through covid questioning if it was real since I had a "super heavy load" but didn't have a single symptom whatsoever, unlike people around me.

Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.

I highly highly recomend going into a diet like that to anyone. And obviously to try to get natural and truly organic food too. It did change my life for the better and I hope It can do the same to you guys too.

[Mashika]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by gini (here)
I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of "murder" we are willing to accept.

I was going to say that your ideology 'baffles' me as well. but actually it doesn't it is tremendously amusing

Please never change, it gives the rotten princes a lot of joy and laugh

those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome

is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

*Guinea pig

Who could tell, maybe if there is no guinea pigs or cows around people should just eat cake

Do you like to eat cake?

I'm just kidding but i honesty got a tremendous laugh at your take of "lower life forms". Don't you see the issue there? lmao

[Mashika]

Posted by TargeT (here)
My mom has been eating only eggs, bacon and steak for 3 years now & it has vastly improved her weight and energy levels..

I primarily eat meat with very few plant based items...

Hope this helps someone, it's an amazing story either way.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ka9WBEijhk

Instead of bacon only, i have used bacon with chicken, it helped me a lot to not lose weight in tremendous ways, before that, i used to eat eggs and meat but my legs and in general i started to lose tons of weight until i looked terrible

But then i dropped the diet and started eating bacon and chicken, also fried chicken. Then i was eating normally but my body got back in track with a regular healthy look

[Mashika]

Posted by I am B (here)
Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.

Hmmmm, check your blood sugar levels every now and then, Feeling warm like that should not be related to what you eat day by day?

I have diabetes, the childhood kind, when i eat or drink things and feel very warm or feel like an urgent need to get cold air or so, then i know i may have to go take a pill or do something about it, because for me that's a sign i am high on blood sugar. And that's no good

But i'm just saying :S

[I am B]

Posted by Malisa (here)

Posted by I am B (here)
Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.

Hmmmm, check your blood sugar levels every now and then, Feeling warm like that should not be related to what you eat day by day?

I have diabetes, the childhood kind, when i eat or drink things and feel very warm or feel like an urgent need to get cold air or so, then i know i may have to go take a pill or do something about it, because for me that's a sign i am high on blood sugar. And that's no good

But i'm just saying :S

Thanks! Appreciate. I got told the same before ^^ but naye, i got the finger piercing testing thingie and sugar is on point, same with cholesterol. Only thing that increased a bit is blood pressure, but I'm super anxious lately because of life, so its probably that.

I'd like to crrect that Its not like I feel directly warmer, Its more about being less bothered by the cold. More resilient. When I was in Russia this winter It was so easy to see how it was related to food. (and good food, specially)