A major key to a long and healthy life: fasting or a ketogenic diet

[ian33]

...i have northern hunter gatherer genetics, and after 50 years of experimenting with many diets including 16 years vegetarian, careful observation of effects brought me to paleo/autoimmune diet(trial and error)
...good luck to those who thrive on vegan diets, but i avoid those who cant help but demonise the great majority of people, omnivores...
..i am lucky to live where there is plenty pasture fed beef and lamb available, also fish from the sea and lakes...my house is surrounded by green pasture, with contented cattle, protected from predators that would exist in the wild(survival of the fittest)
...i sometimes wonder what vegans imagine would happen to all the ruminants in their perfect world, but really its none of my business what those good people believe...i wish good health to all, however they may achieve that

[Metalaane]

Posted by Le Chat (here)
I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.

But I'm biased. Meat is murder IMO....

Anything's better than the Standard Western Diet, this is for sure. Plant based can be done in a healthy way. But, your doubts may be doubted if you knew the intricacies of this. Maybe it was mentioned in the video, not sure, because I already knew Mikhaila Peterson's story so I didn't watch -- but there's such things in plants known as anti-nutrients. See, every life form wants to live and reproduce. Animals, once they're on the plate, are done trying to defend themselves. They do it with teeth, claws, or just simply running away. Plants? Not so simple. They need more passive forms of defense. Caffeine is actually a defensive toxin of sorts objectively speaking -- and some people are negatively affected by that one in particular. Other people are negatively affected by a wide range of them; oxalates, tannins, phytates, and more.

To be "fair", it may not be a very high percentage of people who are noticeably impacted by these things, but then there's nothing fair about this to the individuals who can't tolerate normal levels of these substances in plants; they find a solution that makes them happy and healthy and someone comes along and basically says they're complicit in murder. What gives? Or, there's even some people who can tolerate them, but they know they perform in life better without them. Fault them for their commitment to taking care of their temple of a body? I wouldn't. Granted, I know you only said a meager six words on the topic, but you're far from the first person to have this kind of rhetoric in these topics so I am somewhat rehearsed on what to say here. We'll both agree that factory cattle shouldn't exist. Believe me, swearing by animal nutrition is not even in the same ball park as condoning factory cattle practices. It's definitely inhumane. In an ideal world we would all be food independent where we grow and/or raise all of our food ourselves. Matter of fact, the one year I had a garden, the produce from it was the best I ever tasted. Might've been the healthiest produce I had, too. Conventional agriculture perpetually reuses the same top soil endlessly and the crops end up worse for it, becoming essentially malnourished and then in turn potentially malnourishing Humans whom consume it. Particularly, the Humans who have the sensitivities to the anti-nutrients; the ratio of their nutrients:anti-nutrients is weighted too far to the anti-nutrient side. Someone's backyard, though? Much more fertile. Damned thing about this is a plant can be labeled "non GMO" and "organic" (if we can take labels at face value anyways) in a grocery and still be nutritionally bereft because of that barren topsoil.

Am I less "woke" because I eat meat? I think this is a very good article on this subject. The author is a little strong with her words but she's a certified dietician at any rate so I don't think a bit of a snarky tone disqualifies any points.

...First, you need to make a field. Crop fields aren’t “natural”. When you fly over the United States and look down at all of the squares and circles down there, that’s not “nature,” that’s man. Lots of things had to die to make way for that perfect square of only one crop to be there.

Step two, once all trees are cut down and life is removed, it’s time to plow up the soil. This releases carbon and further kills lots of life living close to the surface. Small critters that had their dens underground are decapitated and chopped up...

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Le Chat (here)
I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.

Just a comment here, based on what I think I know. (But I also know I absolutely don't know everything abut this!)

Optimum diet does seem to vary considerably from person to person. (And this might have to do with blood type, in itself not a simple subject.)

I've met vegans who are totally healthy and highly energetic (like yourself! ), and others who are pale, weak and sickly and clearly have a nutritional imbalance — though they're stuck on their diet more as a belief or value-based system than anything else at all.

And the same with carnivores... some people can't do it (and/or don't want to, which is fully respected), but others genuinely cure themselves of all kinds of things with an all- or high-meat diet. That's absolutely a real thing... but maybe not for everyone.

[Spiral]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Le Chat (here)
I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.

Just a comment here, based on what I think I know. (But I also know I absolutely don't know everything abut this!)

Optimum diet does seem to vary considerably from person to person. (And this might have to do with blood type, in itself not a simple subject.)

I've met vegans who are totally healthy and highly energetic (like yourself! ), and others who are pale, weak and sickly and clearly have a nutritional imbalance — though they're stuck on their diet more as a belief or value-based system than anything else at all.

And the same with carnivores... some people can't do it (and/or don't want to, which is fully respected), but others genuinely cure themselves of all kinds of things with an all- or high-meat diet. That's absolutely a real thing... but maybe not for everyone.

This is absolutely true, I've tried being vegetarian (and yes with all the fancy expensive stuff from whole food shops not just stopping eating meat) and I got weaker & weaker, and intestinal problems.

I look Norwegian, which seems like a probable reason to me, meat & fish is more abundant, & fruit & veg harder to grow the further north you go.

[Gemma13]

I inherited Gastroparesis - delayed gastric emptying. No matter how many times I've tried vegan I can't stomach it. Within minutes fermentation makes me look 9 months pregnant, especially with fruit. Meat diet is better suited, I'm afraid.

Always tricky on first dinner dates. By the time ya leave, bloke is looking at ya thinking, bloody hell, where'd that come from... we haven't even had sex yet.

[Strat]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Le Chat (here)
I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.

Just a comment here, based on what I think I know. (But I also know I absolutely don't know everything abut this!)

Optimum diet does seem to vary considerably from person to person. (And this might have to do with blood type, in itself not a simple subject.)

I've met vegans who are totally healthy and highly energetic (like yourself! ), and others who are pale, weak and sickly and clearly have a nutritional imbalance — though they're stuck on their diet more as a belief or value-based system than anything else at all.

And the same with carnivores... some people can't do it (and/or don't want to, which is fully respected), but others genuinely cure themselves of all kinds of things with an all- or high-meat diet. That's absolutely a real thing... but maybe not for everyone.

Agreed 100%. I believe it all comes down to genetic makeup. The book Dirty Genes is a great read and covers this.

It's why some people can handle gluten and some go to the hospital if they have a peanut butter sandwich. And some find themselves living in peak physical shape with a pescatarian diet whereas another's throat will swell if they eat a bite of salmon.

I think people should find what works best for their body first, then consider morals from there. If you become sick you can't help anybody or anything in this world. The more fit you are mentally and physically the better you can help the world and people around you.

[palehorse]

That's a trick one..

I know this person since my childhood, she was our doctor in the family (the one that can be trusted), today she is 83 years old and she plays tennis and swim regularly, she is in great shape for her age, she always told my family and me to eat alkaline food at full time, actually she was always giving talks about it, I would say she is almost a preacher about this issue. It has nothing to do with been a vegan, vegetarian or whatever terms they give for that.

Most meats are acidic, some very acidic others slightly acidic, it is all about balance to not pend to one side of the spectrum but keep it in neutral (middle path) would be ideal to keep all the time in my guess (I am not an expert in nutrition, but that is what I am doing for quite sometime now and I feel much better).

The thing is, I eat acidic food like meats and I eat neutral food like fats (including some dairies - and some diaries are acidic as well (trick)) and I eat lots of alkaline food like veggies, greens, fruits and I can tell you, I have a very descent health, I have nothing to complain about it, do 2 to 3 hours of exercises per day, sometime more than that.

Keep the balance is the golden rule for everything, do not stop eating your meats (I didn't), but eat more fruits, veggies, greens, etc.. (the organic ones not the GMO crap) It won't harm you and will give an amazing balance.

As Bill mentioned, blood type does play a rule on it, if anyone is serious enough about it, a full blood test would be required to create a "perfect" diet based on your blood type, but in general lines Alkaline food won't kill/harm anyone.

[AriG]

I actually have an autoimmune condition - Hashimoto's and borderline lupus. Completely inherited from my mother. It got so bad that I suffered a bout of Hashimoto's Encephalopathy a few years back.

I am also a "foodie" - love to cook and explore new things. This has been greatly affected by my situation. Prior to marrying my current husband, I was a pescetarian and ate only shellfish and fish, veg, etc. Very rarely ate bread or dairy. This was an ethical choice for me at the time. Enter new relationship, a proper English Meat and potatoes (and bread) guy, add sugar, probably way too much wine, tons of fresh baked bread, proper British puddings, a couple of hormone changing miscarriages and perimenopause and the death of my brother in law which was traumatic in nature, and voila! My autoimmune genes are triggered. I am of Scotch-Irish descent (and a bit of German) with A negative blood type.

What I have learned:

1. Inflammation is the trigger in most autoimmune genes being activated.
2. Experts will claim that everything but alkaline water is inflammatory.
3. Balance is critical- supplementation is necessary.
4. Gluten is your ENEMY. Absolutely. Especially with hypothyroid autoimmunity. Through the process of molecular mimicry, the immune system cannot tell the difference between gluten and the thyroid,
so when gluten is consumed, your immune system creates a celiac like response in the gut. I do miss bread and just today, tried the Keto Protein egg bread recipe. YUCK. Like eggy tasting memory
foam. But there is no baguette in the world worth the damage that gluten causes to one's overall health.
5. Grass fed beef, fish, shellfish, lean pork and egg yolks are fantastic as a base to the diet. However, imo, in the long haul (beyond elimination diets), one needs fruit and vegetables to ensure that you are
getting all of the micronutrients that the body requires.

When I finally decided that I had to give up gluten, I weighed 158 pounds. Today I weigh 132 pounds. Just by giving up gluten. The weight gain was mostly inflammation.

Eating animals is truly a moral dilemma, especially for those of us who are aware. That said, our bodies require high quality protein. And you cannot have your adventure here without your body.

[CurEus]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Le Chat (here)
I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.

Just a comment here, based on what I think I know. (But I also know I absolutely don't know everything abut this!)

Optimum diet does seem to vary considerably from person to person. (And this might have to do with blood type, in itself not a simple subject.)

I've met vegans who are totally healthy and highly energetic (like yourself! ), and others who are pale, weak and sickly and clearly have a nutritional imbalance — though they're stuck on their diet more as a belief or value-based system than anything else at all.

And the same with carnivores... some people can't do it (and/or don't want to, which is fully respected), but others genuinely cure themselves of all kinds of things with an all- or high-meat diet. That's absolutely a real thing... but maybe not for everyone.

I tend to share your observations. I know people who essentially thrive living like hummingbirds...which would very likely kill me, yet they seem, even through through testing, to be in the peak of health. What I do find disturbing is the "cult-like" mentality of "adherents" to dietary extremisms. What once was "novel" becomes cult-like and dogmatic...

I function best at about 90% ruminant-carnivore, it alleviates autoimmune issues as well as acne, bloating, and a host of other issues that I could not resolve in any other way BUT if I were to become seriously ill I would consider a juice fast or even a complete fast for a time.

At it's core the carnivore diet is an extreme elimination diet which in and of itself removes virtually all processed and refined foods, additives and adulterants. THAT alone would very likely produce great benefits to anyone consuming the SAD ( Standard American Diet) and I tend to expect that may hold true for someone doing the same with a select vegan diet...

The blood-type diet was popularized by the book "Eat Right for Your Blood Type" and not very well received from the medical or nutritional communities but many people found it resonated well and produced very good results.

We do know that many of us "can" eat exclusively carnivore for extended periods of time and one concern like scurvy seems to be a "non issue" as Vit C needs drop precipitously in this WoE ) Way of Eating) so the premise that humans don;t produce vit C becuase we had an abundance of fruit may be better stated that we didn't eat any and just gorged on meat and fats and organs.

As a caveat I do know several vegans that became extremely ill and malnourished, they lost mental focus and clarity which reinforced their adherence to the "cult of veganism"....I say this because it is well known that cult indoctrination begins by removing meat protein reinforced with an incessant bombardment of programming.

I do note though, that as people age many lose interest in large amounts of red meat, especially women.

Many of us can observe the odd push for the elimination of meat with a huge global campaign to switch to vegan meatless options or suspect protein from insects. Becuase "carbon" "climate change" "cow farts" "water" ......very slick, compelling and well designed. THAT makes it highly suspect and doubly so as Bill Gates has bought so many farms he is the largest "farmer" in N. America. AND the largest investor in "pseudo" lab meat companies...

The rise in popularity of a food replacement called " Soylent" intrigued me, the ingredients floored me. It is literally toxic to humans!

In a nutshell humans can eat almost "anything" ( for a time) we're more like opportunistic scavengers more akin to rats than apex predators like lions BUT when we get together we will tend to hunt we consume as much meat and fish as possible AND as many sugars as we can find. Honey is not easy to acquire and neither are fruits and berries without risk in acquiring them. and almost ALL mammals like fermented fruit alcohols.....and every culture has it's alcohol and fav carbs be it breads or tubers...

There does not seem to me to be a one size fits all approach to diet and nutrition and I find it disheartening when people become intractable in their position of what is "best" or "most ethical" but vegans seem to be their own worst enemy at times...their over proselytizing has turned off so many people they are now being vilified.

Yet there may be an unintended compromise, there is a rise in an infection that makes it impossible for people to eat meat without becoming extremely ill. galactose-alpha-1, 3-galactose. is from the Lone Star tick and produce a meat allergy.....now who came up with THAT!?

[bettye198]

It has always been my understanding that high protein diets i.e. meat tax the kidneys. If one indulges in paleo, hopefully kidneys are being monitored and supported. There is also a timing I have discovered when meat no longer is craved or tasty anymore and that is the body asking for plant based. I have tried Dr. Morse's fruit only diet regime and got a whopping 6 lbs off and starved for substantial food. However, I see his point. Fruit is processed easily and does not need insulin to get into the cell. There are a lot of reasons to clear the body of toxins with fruit and veggies especially greens. Now we have vegan mama's and papa's giving fabulous vegan meals on youtube that seem filling. Maybe we should classify some of us as part vegan, part fruitarian, part carnivore. As we age we have to discern intuitively what is right for our body. I have seen blood type O's handle all types of meat better than blood type B's. It is something interesting for sure.

[Journeyman]

Posted by I am B (here)

Posted by Malisa (here)

Posted by I am B (here)
Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.

Hmmmm, check your blood sugar levels every now and then, Feeling warm like that should not be related to what you eat day by day?

I have diabetes, the childhood kind, when i eat or drink things and feel very warm or feel like an urgent need to get cold air or so, then i know i may have to go take a pill or do something about it, because for me that's a sign i am high on blood sugar. And that's no good

But i'm just saying :S

Thanks! Appreciate. I got told the same before ^^ but naye, i got the finger piercing testing thingie and sugar is on point, same with cholesterol. Only thing that increased a bit is blood pressure, but I'm super anxious lately because of life, so its probably that.

I'd like to crrect that Its not like I feel directly warmer, Its more about being less bothered by the cold. More resilient. When I was in Russia this winter It was so easy to see how it was related to food. (and good food, specially)

For years I had to wear two pairs of socks from Autumn onwards, was rarely without a pair of gloves and would even wear socks to bed. When I changed my diet and strictly removed gluten many things changed for the better in my health. One of them which took me a little time to notice was that I was no longer doubling up on socks or reaching for gloves. It took me a little time to tie it back to the diet change, but by then I was a lot more aware of just how fundamental the connection is between what we eat and how we feel because the crippling depression I'd experienced had also lifted once my immune system was no longer attacking itself via the gluten reaction.

[Bill Ryan]

I've copied this interesting post over from the Water Fasting thread, because discussing keto protocols was a little off-topic there, and I found myself really interested in Miller's reported experience.

My question to her: if you were on a keto (presumably high-protein) diet, how come your biceps shrank in size even when you were exercising??

Posted by Miller (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Miller (here)
Personally I start intermittent fasting 2 weeks before then one meal a day the week before and then. I fast, but dont fast more than 48 hours because of muscle loss (sarcopenia) because of age and I dont eat meat. Tbh I find it difficult to eat the recommended amount of protein (just too much) but, like Bill, I listen to my body.

Just a thinking-aloud post here: I too am wary of possible muscle loss when on a medium-length water-fast, so I'm always mindful of the issue. (But, listening to my body, it always seems to tell me clearly when enough fasting is enough!)

I found myself wondering if whey protein might be an acceptable solution for you when managing the potential muscle-loss problem. Boosting yourself with whey protein for a week or two before a water fast (that is, assuming you're not a strict vegan!) might well deal with the issue and enable you to fast for longer — if you want to.

Thank you Bill. I'm not vegan (I eat salmon, eggs and cheese) but not keen on whey protein although I've tried pea protein in smoothies. Since my early 20s I've remained fairly athletic but my attempts at keto during lockdown reduced my biceps practically to walnuts when they used to be like :0. When I spoke to the doctor, he suggested I use lighter weights and do more reps (which contradicted what I understood about lifting weights), but what did help was doing them much slower.

As I grew older I thought (mistakenly) that if I kept doing what I was doing everything would stay the same, but of course it doesn't, and aging brings a set of - shall we say "challenges" - which continue to test. What I'm aiming for is not to live forever, but to live well and not be a burden to my children, hence an interest in fasting and autophagy.

Apologies for sliding a little off topic, and thank you again for your welcome and kind thought Bill. Much appreciated

[grapevine]

Hi Bill

Keto didn’t work for me because I didn’t eat enough protein or fat, although I tried really hard to make it work. 225g of protein is a lot to eat in one day when you don’t eat meat.

An egg has about 8g, so 3 has 24g, which is breakfast sorted and with a smoothie with a scoop of pea protein (8g) is 32g

A pre-cut portion of salmon has 25g of protein and with salad or spinach is lunch sorted

225g – 57g = 168g, which is a helluva lot of lentils for dinner!

The foods listed above sound quite meagre but I haven’t included (for instance) broccoli soup with lots of cream and cheese, but even then not enough protein. And not enough fat either, although I would have cream in my coffee, but not butter (yuk!) like some people on keto.

Re the exercise, I’ve always been fairly active and didn’t alter my routines much, except instead of lifting reps of 15, 12 and 8 three times, I did the full 3 sets for each body part before moving on to the next. This may have had some bearing on the muscle loss as well.

I was only on keto for about 6 weeks but the effects lasted longer. As already mentioned, Dr Eric Berg on YT advocates Healthy Keto with lots of vegetables and salads but excludes grains (wheat, bread, pies, etc), starches (potatoes), sugar and seed oils, but he does get his main protein from meat, and fatty meat at that.

My view, based on my own experience and lifestyle, is don’t do keto if you don’t eat meat.

I now lead a more sedentary lifestyle than I used to, but still lift weights 2-3 times a week, walk about 5 miles a day and incorporate a few yoga / pilates moves for flexibility and eat lots of fruit and vegetables and the same amount of protein. My muscles have recovered well, although they’re not as they used to be, but C’est la vie. It also shows that there must be SOME protein in vegetables after all.

So what do you eat (typically) in a day Bill and is it working for you?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Miller (here)
Hi Bill

Keto didn’t work for me because I didn’t eat enough protein or fat, although I tried really hard to make it work. 225g of protein is a lot to eat in one day when you don’t eat meat.

Thanks for the long and interesting post! But where do you get 225g from? That seems like way too much protein, an almost impossible amount if one's not eating large steaks and whole chickens.

I know relatively little in detail about keto diets, but I found this article:

• How much protein can you eat in ketosis?
  https://dietdoctor.com/how-much-prot...eat-in-ketosis

As I always maintain (and I know you agree! ), I carefully listen to my body and never force anything. I've occasionally used a protein-and-fat only keto diet for about a week or so just to lose a little weight if I've not been very active (it works easily and perfectly), and I just stop eating when I feel full and don't keep looking at the fridge. I've never calculated grams of protein, weighed portions, or anything like that. Not ever!

[grapevine]

Not sure exactly where I got the figure of 225 from but never managed to get anywhere near it. I cut right back on the carbs and vegetables, and think that was a big mistake. I listened to my body before keto, and ignored it when I tried keto, but I'm listening again now, and am mostly back on an even keel.

Interesting snippet about Arnold Schwarzenegger's 250g protein intake now that he's adopted a vegan diet:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...-80-vegan.html

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Miller (here)
Not sure exactly where I got the figure of 225 from but never managed to get anywhere near it. I cut right back on the carbs and vegetables, and think that was a big mistake. I listened to my body before keto, and ignored it when I tried keto, but I'm listening again now, and am mostly back on an even keel.

Well, good!! And kudos to you for figuring it out. We always have to remember that each of us is unique in so many aspects, and we can't always just go blindly copying what works well for someone else.

Posted by Miller (here)
Re the exercise, I’ve always been fairly active and didn’t alter my routines much, except instead of lifting reps of 15, 12 and 8 three times, I did the full 3 sets for each body part before moving on to the next. This may have had some bearing on the muscle loss as well.
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I now lead a more sedentary lifestyle than I used to, but still lift weights 2-3 times a week, walk about 5 miles a day and incorporate a few yoga / pilates moves for flexibility and eat lots of fruit and vegetables and the same amount of protein.

I have to say that's super-impressive (and would be for any of us!) considering that few readers here are still just 21.

Your regime makes me feel very lazy! I've never lifted weights (or even done pilates), and merely hike in the mountains maybe 2-3 times a week. I can still do a 7 minute plank (which I confess I'm quite pleased with), but that's merely because hiking up and down hills with a backpack, even a light one, strengthens everything in the core and seems to keep it that way.

Re my own diet, I eat quite a lot of protein, including lots of nuts and cheese, but also gallons of rich veggie soup (I have a huge pot lasting days which is always right there on the stove), and large amounts of papaya, which is everywhere here. (Other fruit is all around, but papaya is my fav.) And I rarely if ever eat wheat... which I feel increasingly sure is a major health-influencing factor that many are quite unaware of.

[Sirus]

Aldis yoghurt - 25g protein per small pot
Muscle Moose protein powder- 50g protein for 2 scoops

It's really not that difficult to get 225g in, although there is an adjustment phase for the first few days. Strength training also fires up the metabolism and also helps to synthesise the protein better.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I know relatively little in detail about keto diets
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I carefully listen to my body and never force anything.

Well, here's a small tale that I tell against myself.

Inspired by re-reading this thread, I went on an experimental keto diet for a few days — and am still on it. But the moral of this story is that a couple of days ago I really didn't know what I was doing.

All seemed fine, and the day before yesterday I went on quite a long mountain hike, not an easy one at all. I was feeling great, with lots of energy — until the very last section, which after 3 non-stop hours was a final steep strenuous climb up out of a valley.

I suddenly felt extremely lightheaded, a new experience for me in the mountains. For a moment I thought I might actually pass out. I stopped immediately, sat down, and just rested for a few minutes. It wasn't a glucose issue, as my legs felt strong. I didn't know what to make of it, but I slowly continued the climb to finish the hike, and all was well.

And then I realized that I was totally dehydrated. (Of course! ) I spent the journey home in my vehicle drinking from my water bottle — which I had NOT taken with me. (I had a small bottle of cold black coffee, which is almost always fine for me even on a long hike. I do carry some iodine drops, so I could always replenish it with water from a stream if needed. But the issue was that at no point had I felt thirsty.)

The lesson for me was that on a keto diet one clearly has to keep oneself well-hydrated. When water fasting (which I know a lot about), this all takes care of itself. But here I'd got it all wrong, and my body had NOT told me that it needed water until I got to an extreme state. I do know that this combo of circumstances is unusual, and maybe others are unlikely to find themselves in the same kind of situation! But I thought it might be rather interesting to report the experience.

[grapevine]

Hope you've recovered well Bill. As a matter of interest, how long did it take to recover fully after you ?

Here's a new and fairly short 14:28 minute video from Prof David Sinclair who is a proponent of longevity and follows a vegan diet. He's 54 years old.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pUP0rSIu2TI

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/rewinding-clock
and an interesting article from Harvard University citing David Sinclair's work

A quick look on google shows that the way to increase NAD levels naturally is to eat raw foods that contain vitamin B, like avocados, steamed fish, and peanuts, which should be part of your daily diet. You can also boost NAD+ levels by drinking two to three glasses of cow's milk every day.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Miller (here)
Hope you've recovered well Bill. As a matter of interest, how long did it take to recover fully after your dehydration experience?

Thx, I recovered pretty fast. I drank a lot of water when I got back to my vehicle (but gradually, not all at once), and then on the way home I picked up a big fresh coconut for the electrolytes in the coconut water.

The next morning I had a large cheese and veggie omelet for breakfast, prehydrated with a liter of water, and went on a gentler short hike with Mara (my dog) for an hour and a half. (She'd had to stay at home the previous day, but she'd REALLY wanted to come. ) I repeated the large coconut for the electrolytes. By then, I felt really fine.

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Thanks for the video! It was valuable and interesting. I do quite a lot of what Sinclair does, including no wheat, little or no sugar, and no alcohol (zero, never). I only use milk in coffee, but I do drink kefir and yogurt, which he didn't mention, and also cheese.

I don't look quite as young as him, but then I'm a little older! And I'm happy that I'm still regularly doing more in the mountains than most probably could half my age. So — so far so good, and my mountain fitness is really my personal measure.