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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    No matter all the lies you may get from the US rotten media, this is reality on Kiev, Ukraine right now. It's a live stream by the way

    No harm has been made to any civilian, it's a lie if they say otherwise, watch the stream, people just go around their normal daily lives

    Oh and think hard about this, how come Ruptly is able to stream from Kiev, just as this war happens? Stop believing the mainstream lies

    Maintaining the "assume nothing" policy might be more wise, including not assuming that a live stream is live. They (those above both sides of this "conflict" - City of London, State Street, Blackrock, Vanguard etc...) have the tech' to wag that dog all day, but I don't say that to undermine any of your input, Malisa. I greatly appreciate all your contributions.
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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    No matter all the lies you may get from the US rotten media, this is reality on Kiev, Ukraine right now. It's a live stream by the way

    No harm has been made to any civilian, it's a lie if they say otherwise, watch the stream, people just go around their normal daily lives

    Oh and think hard about this, how come Ruptly is able to stream from Kiev, just as this war happens? Stop believing the mainstream lies

    From the BBC.

    Quote There are long traffic jams as residents try to flee the capital Kyiv. Other residents have sought shelter in metro stations. BBC correspondents say that although people expected an attack, the scale of the invasion has taken them by surprise
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795
    "Ukrainian troops 'abandoning positions,' Russia claims"
    https://www.rt.com/russia/550435-ukr...-down-weapons/
    When a false government is in place, and everyone knows how it happened and why, the "fake democracy" doesn't stand for too long
    Quote Alexey Reznikov, Ukraine's Minister of Defense, has called on his country's citizens telling them to take up arms in the face of the Russian offensive. "The enemy attacks, but our army is unbreakable," he wrote on Facebook. "Anyone who is ready and able to hold weapons may now join the Territorial Defense Forces in your local region."

    Kiev's foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, has issued a statement in which he declared that Moscow "has just launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine." According to him, "this is a war of aggression. Ukraine will defend itself and will win," he insisted. "The world can and must stop Putin. The time to act is now."

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has declared martial law in the country, urging citizens to stay calm and stay at home.
    Nobody cares what the guy says, they know he's a fake, imposed and corrupt, they are leaving, including the soldiers

    I find it very amusing, but not really, it's just a way of saying how foolish they were

    That they thought they could run away the people at Donbass, who were born there and were owners of their land, but they thought they could run them away or kill them just because they were not "pure blood" as in pure Ukranian. Now that they are seeing the reality they run away from their own homes, ignoring their president and even their military does the same. It goes to show how they did not had any soul strength at all. It was all words in the end

    Where will they go next? Why are they running? they should fight back, but they don't want to, they don't believe in the lies, they want a different outcome they can't fight for. That's the 'issue' in the end.

    Will the US come and take over and fight directly against Russia? I don't think they will, they are kind of "not sure what we do next" and it's probably a "please stop and let's talk" approach, which it's fine but it's against all the bravado they had the past months
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    Alexey Reznikov, Ukraine's Minister of Defense, has called on his country's citizens telling them to take up arms in the face of the Russian offensive. "The enemy attacks, but our army is unbreakable," he wrote on Facebook. "Anyone who is ready and able to hold weapons may now join the Territorial Defense Forces in your local region."

    Kiev's foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, has issued a statement in which he declared that Moscow "has just launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine." According to him, "this is a war of aggression. Ukraine will defend itself and will win," he insisted. "The world can and must stop Putin. The time to act is now."

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has declared martial law in the country, urging citizens to stay calm and stay at home.

    Nobody cares what the guy says, they know he's a fake, imposed and corrupt, they are leaving, including the soldiers
    Reminds me of this:

    Democracy is a well organised Anarchy in which too many People have something to say about nothing!
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    Alexey Reznikov, Ukraine's Minister of Defense, has called on his country's citizens telling them to take up arms in the face of the Russian offensive. "The enemy attacks, but our army is unbreakable," he wrote on Facebook. "Anyone who is ready and able to hold weapons may now join the Territorial Defense Forces in your local region."

    Kiev's foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, has issued a statement in which he declared that Moscow "has just launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine." According to him, "this is a war of aggression. Ukraine will defend itself and will win," he insisted. "The world can and must stop Putin. The time to act is now."

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has declared martial law in the country, urging citizens to stay calm and stay at home.

    Nobody cares what the guy says, they know he's a fake, imposed and corrupt, they are leaving, including the soldiers
    Reminds me of this:

    Reminds me of this:

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    Composer Seán Doherty uses just a fragment of Lola Ridge’s harrowing poem about the horrors inflicted upon so many during the Russian Civil War (1918-22).

    I cannot help but cry when I watch this video. Pray for the people of Ukraine.

    https://youtu.be/wMND3UWArdQ

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    Quote Posted by joe1964 (here)
    Composer Seán Doherty uses just a fragment of Lola Ridge’s harrowing poem about the horrors inflicted upon so many during the Russian Civil War (1918-22).

    I cannot help but cry when I watch this video. Pray for the people of Ukraine.

    https://youtu.be/wMND3UWArdQ
    The people in Donbass getting killed by the Ukrainian army since 2014 are 'Ukrainian' too, hope you pray for them as they have suffered enough already

    Here's the Alley of Angels. The kids killed by the Ukrainian Nazi batallions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_of_Angels

    Pray for them
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    Quote Posted by Akasha (here)
    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    No matter all the lies you may get from the US rotten media, this is reality on Kiev, Ukraine right now. It's a live stream by the way

    No harm has been made to any civilian, it's a lie if they say otherwise, watch the stream, people just go around their normal daily lives

    Oh and think hard about this, how come Ruptly is able to stream from Kiev, just as this war happens? Stop believing the mainstream lies

    Maintaining the "assume nothing" policy might be more wise, including not assuming that a live stream is live. They (those above both sides of this "conflict" - City of London, State Street, Blackrock, Vanguard etc...) have the tech' to wag that dog all day, but I don't say that to undermine any of your input, Malisa. I greatly appreciate all your contributions.
    At this point in life, and through all i have lived on my own, the things i did and experienced, and again all i have seen and compared to the rotten media i do agree on this, Nothing is real, it's all wag the dog

    But i would never end if i started talking from my point of view of all this mess
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    "Ukrainians posting fakes. this is explosiòn of gas in Russian Magnitogorsk but is claimed to be Kharkov Ukraine, consequence of Russian bombing"


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    The nazi supporters are now cleaning the evidence

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    The one now claiming for diplomacy and restrain, and also desperately calling to the US every 30 minutes for help, said this not too long ago

    Quote Jan 24, Zelensky, speaking to 🇺🇦 Foreign Intelligence Service :
    “We have learned to contain external threats. It is time to launch an offensive to secure our national interests. We are united in wanting our territory returned immediately
    I suppose the western public doesn't know or are remotely aware of all the stuff going on here, but this is just one sample of how fake whatever you read is. This guy and associates have been doing this while killing thousands of people in Ukraine, just for the sin and crime of speaking Russian and being Russian ethnic

    How about that now? And that's why he's trampled and even their own army is leaving him to get eaten alive by the bear

    Don't do the talk if you can't do the walk
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    The Ukranian people forgot what real war was, since they saw only in the news that Donbass was a 'rebel' region. They forgot the past. And if you forget the past, it comes hits you right in the face once you repeat it

    Where are the Nazi army now? In the borders of donbass? No, they have already run away. Turns out real battle is harder than chest thumping or killing kids and old people

    The people in the US has never seen true war on their homeland, they did not lost 20+ million people to keep themselves going. They are all scared now, but they don't understand the reasoning behind all of this

    Why? Ask yourself why

    This is not the usual game the US government plays on weak countries, they have unexpectedly bitten more than they could chew
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    Assumptions are the mother of all Fc_u_kups, and the US government assumed weak standards based on their own. They assumed too much
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    Source: Consortium News

    Tony Kevin is a former Australian senior diplomat, having served as ambassador to Cambodia and Poland, as well as being posted to Australia’s embassy in Moscow. He is the author of six published books on public policy and international relations.

    Quote By Tony Kevin
    Pearls and Irritations

    The dramatic declarations on Monday of independence by Donbass city-states Donetsk and Lugansk, and Russia’s accompanying military guarantee to protect them against further heavy artillery attack by Kiev forces, illustrate yet again Barbara Tuchman’s classic March of Folly thesis – how often intelligent governments can act foolishly and against their best interest: in this case, illustrated by Washington and Kiev.

    This analysis will be unpalatable to many in the West. It is hard for us to see beyond the all-enveloping narrative that surrounds us of Western good intentions with occasional mistakes in implementation, versus our horror comic negative mental images of Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin.

    The latter images are far from the truth but very compelling. The people who create and sustain our mental furniture are top professionals at what they do. They condition our thinking and emotions, through powerful images and memes as well as words. Highly intelligent people hate to admit they have fallen for such propaganda, and often get angry when it is suggested to them that they have.

    What Putin Wants From Ukraine

    The fact is that there have been many speeches over the years by Putin acknowledging full Ukrainian sovereignty since the 1991 breakup of the former Soviet Union, an authoritarian state in which Ukrainian Communists had played a major leadership role. Putin consistently has asked for two things of Ukraine.

    First, decent good-neighborly relations based on mutual respect and mutual security, as between the U.S. and Canada. And second, as in Canada, respect for the full human rights of Ukraine’s numerous “French Canadians” – the 50-percent-plus of Ukrainians who share Russian native language and culture. This importantly includes a right to share in the formation of Ukraine’s national security policies and priorities. But the U.S. has at least since 2013 used Ukraine’s Nazis, and there are plenty of those, as the spearhead of its determination to make Ukraine monocultural, militarized and permanently hostile to Russia.

    Just because Putin asserts these things does not mean they are not true. I believe they are true.

    Putin, President Emmanuel Macron of France and Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany (as with Angela Merkel before him) in recent years and weeks did their best to find pathways through the growing confrontation, but in the end they could not halt the determination of Washington and Kiev foolishly to provoke the Russian bear.

    Over months, Putin had warned the West to step backwards from the militarization of Ukraine, and to work with Russia towards a wider European settlement, reversing NATO’s dangerous expansion towards Russia’s borders since 1996. (See my two recent essays on Russian settlement proposals.)


    Map of the buffer zone established by the Minsk Protocol II, (12/02/2015) during the War in Donbass. (Goran tek-en, Wikimedia Commons)

    As usual, the West cherry-picked, they prevaricated and – the biggest Western blunder of all – Washington’s Joe Biden supplied powerful city-destroying heavy weapons to the ill-disciplined and Nazi-infected Ukrainian army. The temptation to start using them was irresistible.

    We saw from Feb. 17 onwards a determined, very threatening, but foolish attempt by Kiev’s armed forces along the line of contact, including the notorious Azov Battalion, to advance into and occupy Donbass, under the noses of the 130,000 Russian troops waiting for orders in nearby Russia.

    The Ukrainian government of President Volodymyr Zelensky and his American advisers like Victoria Nuland had convinced themselves that Putin would not now dare to invade Ukraine after all the Western warnings of wider retribution. How wrong they were: right that he would not try to occupy Kiev, but wrong that he would let Donbass fall, creating unacceptable high risks of brutal ethnic cleansing of up to 4 million Russian Ukrainians forced to flee Donbass into Russia. And what a political humiliation this would have been for Putin.

    By Feb. 18 it was already clear from Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe reporting that a sharp escalation in Kiev’s shelling of Donbass was taking place. Donetsk suburbs were being shelled. A Ukrainian special forces commando raid into neighbouring Rostov province in Russia was discovered and neutralized. The Donbass leaders wisely ordered evacuations, not to leave civilian hostages in place in cities at imminent risk of carpet-bombing, if they did not surrender. Aleppo was the stark example of what could have happened.

    Now Russia has given the green light to Donbass independence, protected by Russian military might, as was the case in Crimea.

    It cannot have been an easy decision for Putin and his National Security Council, urged on by the Duma as they were to do something. Donbass does not have the many strategic and economic attractions and assets of Crimea. Reconstruction will be huge and expensive and the diplomatic costs to Russia very high.

    But Putin had no alternative: in the end, he had to defend Russians at grave risk abroad, with real threats to their lives as reported by OSCE and Russian intelligence. The Minsk Accords are now dead. These steps already seem irreversible.

    Sooner or later these temporarily independent statelets will merge into Russia. The irony is that France and Germany, the guarantor powers, had for years since 2015 been urging Kiev to accept the federal solutions proposed by the Minsk Accords. But then, Kiev nationalists, quietly backed by NATO, had reneged on Minsk, confident that in the end they could achieve the unitary Ukraine they wanted by letting the Minsk Accords be forgotten. Now, ironically, Kiev pleads in the UNSC for a return to the Minsk Accords. But this train has already left the station.

    Downside for East & West

    December 2019: From left, Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Paris. (Kremlin.ru, CC BY 4.0, Wikimedia Commons)

    There will be downside consequences for both East and West. There will be immediate major losses of French and German sovereignty. They will be sucked back into U.S. alliance hegemony. There will be immediate setbacks to Russia-France and Russia-Germany possibilities for detente. These two major states now will be, albeit reluctantly, more firmly locked into U.S.-led NATO military operations.

    It is hard to see the Nord Stream pipeline opening now, which will be a great economic and humanitarian loss to Europe. There will be greater sanctions intensity, hurting both sides economically, and a huge setback to detente generally. The new Cold War will be more firmly lodged in place.

    Will Russia advance further into Ukraine? I would predict almost certainly not, though we will hear Western propaganda for weeks that Russia will do so. The present line of contact will become the frontier, as it has de facto been the frontier since 2015 after former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko’s failed attempt to overwhelm Donbass.

    How will China and the nonaligned world react? These are the most important questions now. Will they see through this latest Anglo-American false narrative of unprovoked Russian aggression , or will they be fooled yet again by the information warriors ? I would like to think the former, but I fear the sedulous power of the Western false narrative. I believe that China, and more quietly India , will stand by Russia. Others– we shall see.

    It did not have to be this lose-lose outcome. A Canadian solution was possible, if there had been a modicum of goodwill from Kiev: a federal Ukrainian state with real sovereignty rights for Russian Ukrainians, including importantly a real say in Ukraine foreign policy choices.

    Putin was desperate for this outcome and he waited as long as he could. But Washington and Kiev wanted confrontation and permanent East-West hostility, whipped up by Victoria Nuland and her ilk. They now have this. Ukraine will remain poor, depopulated, illiberal and militarized. It is a tragedy, but the threatened genocide and ethnic cleansing of Donbass Russians would have been intolerable for the majority of Russians. As it was personally, for an obviously angry and distressed Putin. This outcome will bring him and his key advisers no great joy, but it was the right decision to take.

    This article is from Pearls and Irritations and is republished with the author’s permission.
    Also well worth reading -
    Bear baiting was long ago banned as inhumane. Yet today, a version is being practiced every day against whole nations on a gigantic international scale.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    This is all very grim. Malisa, thank you for being diligent in giving us your valuable perspective on this.

    As of a few hours ago, US media outlets are unanimously reporting that Russia has declared war on Ukraine in a "full scale invasion" that marks Europe's "darkest hours since WWII"

    Funny how all of these outlets parrot the same dogmatic lines.

    It will be interesting to see how this pans out. All I can hope for is for a minimal loss of innocent lives. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that I'll be disappointed.
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    Quote Posted by Tam (here)
    This is all very grim. Malisa, thank you for being diligent in giving us your valuable perspective on this.

    As of a few hours ago, US media outlets are unanimously reporting that Russia has declared war on Ukraine in a "full scale invasion" that marks Europe's "darkest hours since WWII"

    Funny how all of these pallots parrot the same dogmatic lines.

    It will be interesting to see how this pans out. All I can hope for is for a minimal loss of innocent lives. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that I'll be disappointed.
    Hi Tam

    I'm just posting things as they happen. But I'm very sure this all will be twisted very soon enough in the morning of the west so they get a different silver spooned view of the entire world events

    I'm just posting it as it comes, it's up for people to figure it out, if they choose to. All the evidence it's out there, people has to make their own choice in the end

    Very glad to you see you back,
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    https://t.me/rt_russian/94422

    Quote Ukrainian Telegram channels publish fakes about the special operation in Donbass.

    In particular, this photo was signed as "the sixth fighter shot down by the AFU." In fact, this frame was used back in 2019 as an illustration of the crash of the MiG-29 of Azerbaijan.

    Earlier, Roskomnadzor reported a wave of Internet fakes around the situation in Ukraine. The supervisory authority stressed that inform resources are obliged to use official data.
    The Ukrainian Air Force is down, or has mostly deflected to other countries. There is mostly no one defending the Ukranian airspace but a few here and there, which means nothing. So this kind of lies are distributed to pretend, so sad state of affairs!
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    I just can second Tam, thanks so much for the continuous updates Malisa!
    It's very much appreciated, by all of us here I am sure.

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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)

    This is not the usual game the US government plays on weak countries, they have unexpectedly bitten more than they could chew
    This has been on my mind for ages and came back to haunt me during the built up.

    Now... I do not dislike US People, I game with loads of 'm, met loads of 'm, worked in intelligence with them etc, but... as I mentioned before, their leaders and self proclaimed so called psychopathic elite are the problem really.

    So yes, most wars the US fought since WOII were against weaker opponents, although Vietnam was conveniently not called a war, they lost it anyway. Anyone thinking like well what about Korea then? Cease fire, not peace.

    The Western "Leaders" were cruising right into their setup, pandemic arranging the "Great reset", at the same time getting control over the masses and fool them, with the help of mainstream Propaganda, into thinking freedom, while the parasites drain us for everything we have. The fact that People cannot see through it is really a problem, that is by itself a war crime. These so called freedom leaders love to point at others for doing stuff they themselves are actually guilty of.

    What I hope for is that Western Military will see this for what is, look at Canada, that'll come any countries way opposing JB and cohorts, make no mistake about it.

    EU is really worried for their corruptness will eventually be seen by all.

    It's a law though, Bullies will eventually meet their fate.
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    Hi guys , just seeing so many people onboard this topic , saw the news on big screen, it’s making big news here in India, I just walked to pharmacy to have been told that Russia has declared war. So difficult to comment but poor Ukraine is in miserable state since the fall of Soviet Union is not all their fault,
    they were vassal state of Russia for number of centuries , since the formation of Soviet Union they were used not only as largest wheat bank but also largest weaponry and missile silo of Russia, then SU, Donbas and Crimea hosting some of the most important naval and air bases and military western command was also situated in Ukraine,
    their weapons and now even troops are hidden all over the place since WWII.

    So if the conflict expands it could turn Ukraine to battlefield

    Though I sincerely hope that it can be stopped from expanding and solved immediately by peaceful negotiations and insistence to withdraw Russian troops from the territory immediately.

    It seems to me also that many blinkers will now fall from the eyes of my friends all over the world who claimed to be discrete russofiles and admirer of President Putin,
    claiming him to be spiritual entity and peacemaker.
    Russia has never acted differently from other power mongering nations on this planet, claiming peace it still acted territorially and invasively towards ethnic groups, religious groups differing from the state supported Orthodox Church of Russia - which is unsurprisingly split from all other Orthodox Churches on the globe ,
    in short, Russians and their ruling class are big people with big hearts but no dove tails.

    This “war” looks very big on TV now but they are sorting centuries old conflict, injustice and case of human exploitation of Ukrainian people.

    I’ve met many Ukrainian people when still in Prague and they end up working in supermarkets and service jobs all over Europe as refugees despite holding diplomas in various subjects or regardless, they come to western parts of Europe in really poor state running away from what they’ve described as devastating and critical social and economical situation in Ukraine,
    with wages not been payed to them for years , and everything , every little bit of politics in their country is run in respect to Russia and their decisions.
    They are constantly on target from Russia for reasons not so obvious that is military bases , missile silos and advanced weaponry systems situated in their territory.

    It’s not my place to say a word because I feel it’s too late and we all have failed to acknowledge the gravity of the situation.

    Peace to All


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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)


    https://t.me/rt_russian/94422

    Quote Ukrainian Telegram channels publish fakes about the special operation in Donbass.

    In particular, this photo was signed as "the sixth fighter shot down by the AFU." In fact, this frame was used back in 2019 as an illustration of the crash of the MiG-29 of Azerbaijan.

    Earlier, Roskomnadzor reported a wave of Internet fakes around the situation in Ukraine. The supervisory authority stressed that inform resources are obliged to use official data.
    The Ukrainian Air Force is down, or has mostly deflected to other countries. There is mostly no one defending the Ukranian airspace but a few here and there, which means nothing. So this kind of lies are distributed to pretend, so sad state of affairs!
    I hope that's the Jet that shot down MH17 (yes, yes, something completely different, stay on topic though, needed to vent).
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    Quote Posted by Tam (here)
    This is all very grim. Malisa, thank you for being diligent in giving us your valuable perspective on this.

    As of a few hours ago, US media outlets are unanimously reporting that Russia has declared war on Ukraine in a "full scale invasion" that marks Europe's "darkest hours since WWII"

    Funny how all of these pallots parrot the same dogmatic lines.

    It will be interesting to see how this pans out. All I can hope for is for a minimal loss of innocent lives. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that I'll be disappointed.
    Hi Tam

    I'm just posting things as they happen. But I'm very sure this all will be twisted very soon enough in the morning of the west so they get a different silver spooned view of the entire world events

    I'm just posting it as it comes, it's up for people to figure it out, if they choose to. All the evidence it's out there, people has to make their own choice in the end

    Very glad to you see you back,
    fresh is best yes and thank you for the updates Malisa, ( I , like many here, just want the truth of things)

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