WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Mashika]

"The developments in Ukraine are being monitored by the International Criminal Court, which may launch an investigation into acts of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes committed on its territory, the prosecutor of the legal instance Karim Khan said"

Will this apply to all actions done by the Ukraine military in the past 8 years as well? Or only will be looking at current events and into the Russian army's actions?

We'll see soon enough how fair this will be, perhaps they will remember that they looked away the past 8 years and review all those old reports from Donbass

[Mashika]

"And do you remember how Poroshenko said that "Our children will go to school, their children will sit in basements"?

The children of Donbass were sitting in the basements. Now children of Ukraine are sitting in basements.

The favorite of the Donetsk public, pianist Valentina Lisitsa, argues.

"Is it possible so that "Both our and your children will go to school, and Poroshenko will be in prison?" - she asks."

[Mike Gorman]

Quote Professor John J. Mearsheimer-Ukraine should become a 'Neutral State' a buffer zone between Nato and Russia, well yes this would be a solution, but this will not happen because the temptation to deploy influence and power is always going to be there, with Ukraine becoming a kind of Chess board on which the intentions of the globalists and the resistance of Russia will always be in tension.
Now that Putin has taken the initiative, and stated: No further! The dynamics have completely changed, Russia has little to lose in playing its hand and imposing its own historical agenda, ridding Ukraine of the western puppets, and the bio-labs and military research institutes, once military force has been unleashed, it is almost impossible to get the genie back into the bottle, this will have to play out to some different END point, this is precarious, we have revolting people heading up the Pentagon, I have a very bad feeling about all of this, I an sorry to sound pessimistic, but the events of the past 3 years tell us we are on the verge of a huge transition, Ukraine is the flash point for the ultimate end game.

[Metalaane]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
If the United States puts sanctions on Russia, I am told the Russians will launch a devastating cyber-attack on the United States. In response to this, President Biden has promised to retaliate in kind. What happens, then? A further escalation? Probably. Is there any way to avoid a wider war at this point? How would that be possible given the dynamic we are seeing?

Hey, Bill...would there happen to be a way to mass download the whole Avalon Library in one or two easy steps? That seems like it'd be a real helpful feature in these days...

[XelNaga]

Posted by Isserley (here)

Posted by XelNaga (here)
Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

OMG I can't belive how you can write such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time.

Yes, sure they were. I wonder what all those Serbian children slaughtered in Jasenovac would say to this ridiculous lies of yours.

Or all those Serbian civilians whose organs were ripped out and sold by Albanian terrorists in Kosovo.

Lies that constantly come from Croatia are truly astonishing. I understand when politicians talk bull****, but come on man.

We all know what Croatias did, even Nazi Germans were disgusted by the acts of your people at that time, and well, that really says a lot.

Kind regards, neighbour.

[norman]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
Quote Professor John J. Mearsheimer-Ukraine should become a 'Neutral State' a buffer zone between Nato and Russia, well yes this would be a solution, but this will not happen because the temptation to deploy influence and power is always going to be there, with Ukraine becoming a kind of Chess board on which the intentions of the globalists and the resistance of Russia will always be in tension.
Now that Putin has taken the initiative, and stated: No further! The dynamics have completely changed, Russia has little to lose in playing its hand and imposing its own historical agenda, ridding Ukraine of the western puppets, and the bio-labs and military research institutes, once military force has been unleashed, it is almost impossible to get the genie back into the bottle, this will have to play out to some different END point, this is precarious, we have revolting people heading up the Pentagon, I have a very bad feeling about all of this, I am sorry to sound pessimistic, but the events of the past 3 years tell us we are on the verge of a huge transition, Ukraine is the flash point for the ultimate end game.

Both sides of the ultimate ongoing global power struggle are deliberately wanting to scare the crap out of us all right now, but for totally opposed goals.

Go ahead, be scared, be really scared, but make a wise manifestation of the outcome from all this scariness.

One side wants to scare us into running into the false peace and prosperity sheep fold, the other side wants to scare us into abandoning the false paradigm head crap that's preventing us from fully waking up, and so shift the numbers-game dynamic, so they can make a move to end the opposing sheep fold crowd's operation, dead in it's tracks.

I instinctively know which side I'm on, but that's only as sure as how well I'm living by it's fundamental truth, or else I will find myself on the other side as easily as blinking.

[9ideon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Mod note from Bill:

Jeez, guys. We're discussing WW3 here.

This is indeed not the time to get divided here. One can agree with Nato or with Russia even with neither. Yes, Mashika can be a little in your face at times, but c'mon, slagging someone off for being true to their Nation, well...

See I understand Romania is perhaps a little biased and all, I mean Ceaușescu is probably still on the minds of many, I remember the news on him being deposed by the People. So yes I understand the hesitation or animosity towards Russia, still, Nato broke their word over and over again, this was just a matter of time before it would happen. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? The US threatened a NUCLEAR war back then, ffs, there was even more space in between Cuba and the US in comparison to Ukraine and Russia, as a matter of fact, Putin's demands were not based on air, they were a legitimate concern, if Ukraine was to join Nato, Russia would have lost air supremacy over their own country.

The militarization of Ukraine happened for a reason, to pave the way for membership. Do not forget what Snowden brought with, it seems all have forgotten this, he shows up in Russia 06-13, Russian takes Crimea in 02-14, not a coincidence.

If anyone wants to be angry for Ukraine being invaded be angry at the right People, starting with Soros, or has everybody conveniently forgotten words of Glibbery Clinton, she would start a War with Russia, a nuclear one, does anyone think she'd be on her own in that, or is there suddenly a amnesia attack here? And ask yourself this, a country which has been at war 92% of their existence (USA), you think they would have dragged out diplomacy if Ukraine were Mexico? Nah, they'd be obliterated.

[mizo]

Just saying - I'm astounded how the BBC are so capable to report and broadcast all those 'brave' anti-war protesters in the multitude of Russian cities, but they somehow managed not to notice the million protesters standing recently outside their own London headquarters!

[jaybee]

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analysis on the situation from Lee Camp and guest Ben Norton...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EL3tQkgkocI

Lee Camp is joined by the journalist and host of Multipolarista Ben Norton to break down what is going on between Ukraine and Russia. They look to the real causes of Russian actions in Ukraine beyond the Western war propaganda. The story goes back to the 90’s and the dissolution of the Soviet Union when the NATO powers guaranteed the Russian leadership that they wouldn’t expand toward Russian borders. They broke that promise. Then the story moves to a US-backed coup in Ukraine in 2014 and the fallout after separatist movements tried to secede. Norton provides this history and more important context in this moment of insecurity.

I think the elephant in the room is always the Globalist's Agenda and their actions, including military actions...I think they probably have command of the US military and the UK and other Western military - so it all gets muddled up -
And when there is talk about Western Nations there is a failure to acknowledge the infiltration of Western Nations by the Globalists via organizations like the World Economic Forum - the UN - WHO etc....


edit to add.... but to be fair we are only just realizing how deep the 'penetration' of Western Democracies has gone - so it doesn't usually get included in the general analysis...

[jaybee]

Posted by mizo (here)
Just saying - I'm astounded how the BBC are so capable to report and broadcast all those 'brave' anti-war protesters in the multitude of Russian cities, but they somehow managed not to notice the million protesters standing recently outside their own London headquarters!

How true.... and although I don't watch BBC news I'm guessing they didn't report about the treatment of the Truckers and Protesters in Ottawa, Canada...

[Isserley]

Posted by XelNaga (here)

Posted by Isserley (here)

Posted by XelNaga (here)
Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

OMG I can't belive how you can write such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time.

Yes, sure they were. I wonder what all those Serbian children slaughtered in Jasenovac would say to this ridiculous lies of yours.

Or all those Serbian civilians whose organs were ripped out and sold by Albanian terrorists in Kosovo.

Lies that constantly come from Croatia are truly astonishing. I understand when politicians talk bull****, but come on man.

We all know what Croatias did, even Nazi Germans were disgusted by the acts of your people at that time, and well, that really says a lot.

Kind regards, neighbour.

My answer may surprise you, because I will not deny Jasenovac and WWII. These crimes of the Ustaše were unforgivable and horrible -> let such evil never happen again. But that does not diminish the Srbo-Četnik crimes of the 1990s ... why is that a problem to admit? It always confused me.. I don't judge you, I believe you are a great person and would never harm another human being, nor would I.
But what you are saying is that for example Israel should now attack Germany in retaliation for Nazi crimes?
We can't go so far into the past and constantly take revenge on each other. Crimes should be acknowledged and condemned, and not denied, my dear neighbor.
If you want to further discuss Serbo-Croatian relations, open a new topic, this is not a topic for that.

[Tintin]

Are US Biolabs being targeted?

Here's a somewhat eye-watering piece of research, which may carry some weight.

IF this is what is transpiring then we may be on the verge of Plandemic 2.0.

Source: Thread by @ War Clandestine on ThreadReader App (archived)

Whatever the case may be it's an interesting read:

[XelNaga]

Posted by Isserley (here)

Posted by XelNaga (here)

Posted by Isserley (here)

Posted by XelNaga (here)
Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

OMG I can't belive how you can write such things.. Serbs were clearly the agresors killing Croatians, Bosnian and Albanian people after Yugoslavia fell apart.. wake up man, you can sell such horrid lies to people who werent there at the time.

Yes, sure they were. I wonder what all those Serbian children slaughtered in Jasenovac would say to this ridiculous lies of yours.

Or all those Serbian civilians whose organs were ripped out and sold by Albanian terrorists in Kosovo.

Lies that constantly come from Croatia are truly astonishing. I understand when politicians talk bull****, but come on man.

We all know what Croatias did, even Nazi Germans were disgusted by the acts of your people at that time, and well, that really says a lot.

Kind regards, neighbour.

My answer may surprise you, because I will not deny Jasenovac and WWII. These crimes of the Ustaše were unforgivable and horrible -> let such evil never happen again. But that does not diminish the Srbo-Četnik crimes of the 1990s ... why is that a problem to admit? It always confused me.. I don't judge you, I believe you are a great person and would never harm another human being, nor would I.
But what you are saying is that for example Israel should now attack Germany in retaliation for Nazi crimes?
We can't go so far into the past and constantly take revenge on each other. Crimes should be acknowledged and condemned, and not denied, my dear neighbor.
If you want to further discuss Serbo-Croatian relations, open a new topic, this is not a topic for that.

Pozdrav brate,

I have no problem to admit crimes of Serbian army. There are war crimes in every war, commited by all parties involved, always.

Perhaps I didn't properly understand your first post, from it I got that only Serbians commited war crimes. If that was a mistake on my part, I sincerely apologise.

There were crimes on all sides of those nasty conflicts, from Serbians, Croatians, Bosnian muslims and Albanian terrorists. There are evil and nasty people in all nations.

So, I could never deny those crimes commited by my people, but I could never accept lies and propaganda that is being pushed by the west that all was our fault, and that everyone else was just defending themselves, that is simply not true. We were divided and conquered by the west, 3 brother nations fighting each other, so sad.

But I also didn't say anything that is not true in my first post: US/NATO bombing of Serbia was unjust and against international laws, and they did take Kosovo (Serbian land) from us and gave it to Albanian terrorists. Those are facts.

I also have to add that I absolutely have no problem with Croatian people, only the government, both ours and yours. You see, I work for a small private company in Belgrade whos owner is from Zagreb. I have regular visits to Zagreb, and my colleagues from Zagreb regularly come to Belgrade. I also have personall friends in Zagreb. For normal people, religion and nationality are not an obstacle for friendship.

Pozdrav komšo..

PS: I apologize to all for going off topic on this thread.
Kind regards brothers and sisters..

[Tintin]

Posted by Malisa (here)
It does look like people are unable to realise that i was there, and plenty other kids were, no matter what. You fail to understand that what is happening right now was already a reality back in 2013 and until 2015 or so, but it's reality

You have not seen the things i've seen, or what we saw in general, it's just like a "far away thing" for you guys. You just don't get it

I'm so frustrated by this lack of understanding of reality

Jesus F. It does seem that no one around is able to truly grasp this. Hope it never reaches your country or city, but if it does, hope also you won't be crying about it. FFS

Folks, this does need to be remembered - Malisa's insights here on this thread are some of the most valuable we'll ever have

[muxfolder]

Posted by Tintin (here)

Posted by Malisa (here)
It does look like people are unable to realise that i was there, and plenty other kids were, no matter what. You fail to understand that what is happening right now was already a reality back in 2013 and until 2015 or so, but it's reality

You have not seen the things i've seen, or what we saw in general, it's just like a "far away thing" for you guys. You just don't get it

I'm so frustrated by this lack of understanding of reality

Jesus F. It does seem that no one around is able to truly grasp this. Hope it never reaches your country or city, but if it does, hope also you won't be crying about it. FFS

Folks, this does need to be remembered - Malisa's insights here on this thread are some of the most valuable we'll ever have

Not going to argue with that.

Is there more Russians here? I'd like to here what they think is going to happen in the near future. Seems not all Russians agree with Putin and don't want war either. Did you know it was independence day in Estonia when the war began? I was thinking that might be a message. to NATO.

[Bill Ryan]

I very much appreciated this 20-minute analysis from Ben Norton...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EL3tQkgkocI

... and found it fascinating that it didn't accord with J.R. Nyquist's presentation of the history — see below.

I'm always impressed with Nyquist's deep knowledge of modern geopolitics, but increasingly he seems to come over (to me) as such a partisan apologist for US foreign policy (and a deep, deep distrust of everything Russian and Chinese, definitely justified in the latter case), that I'm concerned he doesn't know about (or want to acknowledge) what happened in 2014. That seems hard to understand.

I'd encourage readers here to listen to both interviews, and absorb the information presented to help them make up their own minds. Based on what I feel I know, I'm with Ben Norton here. I think Wade Frazier (and Malisa) would agree.

https://rumble.com/vvj2pw-jeff-nyqui...-predicti.html

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/vswwno

[mizo]

[Gwin Ru]

...

... sitrep from Jim Stone:

TOP LINE ON RT: Ukraine ready to discuss surrender

Ukraine successfully hit Russia with several ballistic missiles. However, they landed in non critical areas.

NOT RUMOR: The "President" of Ukraine is an Israeli citizen. No wonder why the place got run like the West Bank which triggered this action by Putin. WEF politics aside, an enormous segment of Ukraine begged for Russia to do this after getting shelled for years.

NOT RUMOR: Russia is taking the capitol now.

RUMOR: Russia attacked Ukraine to get rid of bio labs there. My thoughts: That's certainly not all they went in for!!!

RUMOR (Ridiculous rumor) Russia threatened to de-orbit the space station over the USA or Europe. DOUBT IT, EVERYONE WOULD HATE THEM FOR THAT. Now, a false flag would be possible . . . . .

Russia has apparently gained control of the sky in Kyiv, where they shot down a Ukranian SU-27. Rumor has it the shoot down was of "The ghost of Kyiv" but that's awful hard to back up.

Opinion: The "ghost of Kyiv" - Ukraine's "Red Baron pilot" who has "shot down 7 Russian fighters" with outdated Soviet crap is probably a morale boosting hoax.

FOX NEWS: Ukraine has banned all men aged 18-60 from leaving the country. Someone needs an army I guess.

Britain is considering supporting banning Russia from SWIFT.

Taiwan is supporting Russia sanctions.

The reason why Russia took Chernobyl has been revealed: Because Ukraine had already shelled a waste repository and increased the background radiation by 50X. It is still possible to be there, but barely. Ukraine obviously blamed Russia, but smart money says NO.

Ukraine completely took Hostomel airport back. Biden just completed a disastrously toothless and incompetent press conference. It really made the U.S. look like a paper tiger. No hard actions, only cyber attacks. And 2 can play that game.

Anti war protests have happened in at least 40 Russian cities, and Russia responded with the "Trudeau treatment" on DAY ONE.

RT IS FINE IN MEXICO. There are reports of RT being down, hard to access or messed up in the United States.

POWER OUTAGE IN KIEV ACCORDING TO FOX NEWS UPDATE: Random localized outages, not the whole city at once.

RUMOR: CNBC has stated nuclear war is being considered as an option.

Russian ministry of defense web site down

Biden decision: Stuxnet attack the hell out of Russia and try to knock the power out, derail trains, and more.

Chernobyl now secured by heavy firepower and not just Russian ground troops (surrounded by tanks)

Biden has announced he will be protesting peacefully against Russia with "devastating packages of sanctions". But what about China? SANCTION THAT.

Russia has now accomplished such a level of superiority it can fly cargo into Ukraine, with 12 large jets landing at Anatov Airport

Russia has announced it met it's "war schedule" for day one, and is now beginning day two.

Russia has officially captured the Chernobyl nuke plant. That's good news (Ukraine will not be able to use it for scorched earth)

The North Atlantic Council has decided Peaceful protest is the way to handle this. What a stupid letter.

Dubious rumor: the Ukraine military blew the dam at the Pecheneg reservoir.

Ukraine successfully captured an entire Russian reconnaisance platoon. That would be about 50 soldiers.

Biden has told Americans they are "on their own" in Ukraine, just like Afghanistan.

Russia is now taking over Ukraine's power stations.

Russia used 75 heavy bombers to carry out the attacks, and kept them off radar so well that their ruse of "nothing in the air over Ukraine" worked!!! Even the U.S. did not see them, NO ONE DID. UPDATE: This is NOT RUMOR, Russia really did pull that off.

EARLY REPORTS: Ukraine was attacking hospitals and residential areas to frame up Russia for wrongdoing. CURRENT REPORTS: Ukraine is claiming Russia attacked hospitals, but is not mentioning the attacks on residential areas it is clear they did (scroll down, there is video of them using a MIG to do exactly that)

RUSSIA NOW REQUESTING NEGOTIATIONS. THE TERMS: COMPLETE SURRENDER AND COMPLETE DISARMAMENT OF UKRAINE.

It appears to me that Russia has just proven that "politics" are inefficient.

Ukraine is flying in double digit ll-76 planes (18 reportedly) these are turbo props similar to a C-130. They have to land somewhere. Arriving with permission????

The UK has kicked out Russian ambassadors

The predictable cyber attacks have now started, directed at Russian government web sites.

Russian ground vehicles are now seen throughout Ukraine and nothing is stopping them.

Russia (might) be banned from SWIFT. But Russia has China . . . . AND GERMANY IS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT. Rumor is the EU won't support that either.

The Kremlin web site went dark.

Price of gas in Europe up by almost double.

U.S. F-35's have arrived in Lithuania, but they will have to overfly Belarus to get to Ukraine if they are kept there.

[...]

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Are US Biolabs being targeted?

Here's a somewhat eye-watering piece of research, which may carry some weight.

IF this is what is transpiring then we may be on the verge of Plandemic 2.0.

Source: Thread by @ War Clandestine on ThreadReader App (archived)

Whatever the case may be it's an interesting read:

~~~

https://twitter.com/AnimalConnected/...41549028470784

[Tintin]

Posted by Metalaane (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
If the United States puts sanctions on Russia, I am told the Russians will launch a devastating cyber-attack on the United States. In response to this, President Biden has promised to retaliate in kind. What happens, then? A further escalation? Probably. Is there any way to avoid a wider war at this point? How would that be possible given the dynamic we are seeing?

Hey, Bill...would there happen to be a way to mass download the whole Avalon Library in one or two easy steps? That seems like it'd be a real helpful feature in these days...

Whoa, and thanks for asking (re the library)

I suspect there may be, yes, but might advise against trying that, for now. My concern is the drain on the server/s from attempting that. It's almost 2TB (terrabytes) in size, or heading at least there.

I may check in with our resident genius Tommy and see what he'd suggest. He knows a LOT of stuff.