WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[rgray222]

Posted by Malisa (here)
More disinformation online

That's an Ukrainian plane, Russia doesn't fly those planes. This is very well known

This person posted that video and has 1.6 million followers, this is how disinformation disseminates. This is a plain shameless lie because this video was exposed several days ago as not being a Russian plane.

This person said "alleged" so to cover himself, because he knows it's not true. This again has been proven days ago, he's only adding that word in advance for when he gets called out, but otherwise his wording is clear on what he intends to do here

Read the comment section so you see how these lies affect and direct people's opinions

Reality: This is one Ukrainian plane hitting Ukrainian civilians. No explanation as to why except they need victims to showcase for approval and get help from the west while blaming Russia for it

If what you say is true then drop a link in the comments so we can check it out. There is so much disinformation and misinformation on this topic that without a link to comments like yours it loses its credibility.

The Russians and the Ukraine military fly the same fighter jets, same helicopters and the same transports so how could you or anyone possibly know that this is Ukrainian or Russian. It is impossible to see any marking so there truly is no way to verify what you have said.

Ukraine Air Force
Russian Air Force

Also, I spent a few minutes checking the comments out (as you suggested) and 99% were condemning the invasion, did not see any comments saying anything else. I am sure there might be comments attesting to what you have said but they would be in the minority.

I am not trying to rip on you I am only attempting to keept this thread accurate and honest, I believe it is important.

[Mashika]

"US offer to evacuate Zelensky – report
The Ukrainian President has publicly stated he wants to remain in Kiev, however"
https://www.rt.com/news/550677-us-of...uate-zelensky/

Zelensky feels safer away from the US control/protection now. He won't be leaving, if this is true

US government officials are prepared to assist Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s evacuation from Kiev and have been discussing safe places where he could represent the Ukrainian government in exile, the Washington Post reported on Friday.

According to the newspaper, which cited a “senior U.S. official,” US government representatives “in recent days have spoken to Zelensky about a variety of security issues, including the safest places for the president to situate himself to ensure continuity of the Ukrainian government.”

So, if people of Ukraine vote a new government in, the US government won't accept it and claim it is illegal. The US government still thinks they are allowed to chose on behalf of the people of Ukraine, given these statements

So much for "Democracy and Freedom" and "The right for self-determination"

Is the world watching this? Or are they too busy to care because of the CNN broadcast

[Mashika]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Malisa (here)
More disinformation online

That's an Ukrainian plane, Russia doesn't fly those planes. This is very well known

This person posted that video and has 1.6 million followers, this is how disinformation disseminates. This is a plain shameless lie because this video was exposed several days ago as not being a Russian plane.

This person said "alleged" so to cover himself, because he knows it's not true. This again has been proven days ago, he's only adding that word in advance for when he gets called out, but otherwise his wording is clear on what he intends to do here

Read the comment section so you see how these lies affect and direct people's opinions

Reality: This is one Ukrainian plane hitting Ukrainian civilians. No explanation as to why except they need victims to showcase for approval and get help from the west while blaming Russia for it

If what you say is true then drop a link in the comments so we can check it out. There is so much disinformation and misinformation on this topic that without a link to comments like yours it loses its credibility.

The Russians and the Ukraine military fly the same fighter jets, same helicopters and the same transports so how could you or anyone possibly know that this is Ukrainian or Russian. It is impossible to see any marking so there truly is no way to verify what you have said.

Ukraine Air Force
Russian Air Force

Also, I spent a few minutes checking the comments out (as you suggested) and 99% were condemning the invasion, did not see any comments saying anything else. I am sure there might be comments attesting to what you have said but they would be in the minority.

I am not trying to rip on you I am only attempting to keept this thread accurate and honest, I believe it is important.

You don't do your research well, the Mig-29 is out of service on Russia but Ukraine still uses it actively, No planes were flying at all in Ukraine the past days, it was all conducted through missile strikes. Also you failed to understand one thing, Russia had nothing to gain for a small strike like that one, it's not going to change *anything*, but for Ukraine is a good showcase for "brutality of the attack" to show the world

Also read this. It is well known, i hope for better than just replying back without real evidence of anything
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/here...-urban-legend/

There is no indication the VKS has deployed any kind of MiG-29s in this war. MiG-29 is on the way out of service in Russia and operated only by two training assets. The one that ‘opened fire at civilians’ (see the video HERE), was an Ukrainian example, and it ‘fired at civilians’ simply because it was targeting VKS helicopters flying low over a village (helicopters in question were BEHIND the position from which this video was taken) – with S-8 rockets fired from B-8M pods.

And this
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/retiremen...e-ruaf-mig-29s

Since 2015, Russian Air Force is not operating MiG-29 Izdeliye (Product) 9-12 and 9-13 known as Fulcrum A and C by NATO for combat duties in its frontline units. 412th AvB from 2nd Air Force and Air Defense Command at Domna and 2nd Aviation Group of 6972nd AvB, 4th Air Force and Air Defense Command at Milerovo retired their last MiG-29s and replaced them with Su-30SM in 2013 and 2016 respectively.

Show me a link that says where and how are Mig-29 planes still used in combat, and serviced accordingly. Because there are none, and the ones that remain active are used for training and there is no possible way to send them to a combat zone, there are no facilities that can serve them for actual combat, please get informed about it before commenting. You think an airfield is magical somehow? The entire field is setup for specific planes, there are no resources to waste for one or two planes to keep around in a very short time.

Also, I spent a few minutes checking the comments out (as you suggested) and 99% were condemning the invasion, did not see any comments saying anything else. I am sure there might be comments attesting to what you have said but they would be in the minority.

Please think fast, this is what i said, this is how people are mislead
"Read the comment section so you see how these lies affect and direct people's opinions"

And then you come and confirm what i said, while thinking it somehow proves me wrong

Don't just go looking on the web for anything you can find that contradicts what was posted, do real research first, even if takes longer than 5 minutes

[Mashika]

"Zelensky agreed to talks with Kremlin, venue being discussed – Kiev"
https://www.rt.com/russia/550667-ukr...otiate-russia/

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is ready to start negotiating a ceasefire with Russia, his spokesperson has said, claiming that Kiev has been in touch with the Kremlin about a possible venue and the date of the talks. Moscow previously said the Ukrainian leader “disappeared” after initially agreeing to negotiations.

“I have to refute the claims that we have refused to negotiate,” Zelensky spokesman Sergii Nykyforov wrote in a Facebook post on Saturday.

“Ukraine was and remains ready to talk about ceasefire and peace” he said, insisting that currently, “the parties are consulting about the place and time of the negotiation process.”

Kiev also appeared to confirm reports that the Zelensky government had asked Tel Aviv to serve as a mediator at the talks with the Kremlin.

Ukraine’s Ambassador to Israel Yevgen Korniychuk told the New York Times that Tel Aviv has yet to respond. “They didn’t say no. They are trying to figure out where they are in this chess play,” he said, adding “We do believe that Israel is the only democratic state in the world that has great relations with both Ukraine and Russia.”

Previously, it was agreed that Minsk would be the place for the talks, then Ukraine had requested Poland to be the new location, now it is Israel. I wonder how this happened.

Positions are being setup now for the next steps in humanity. Let's see where Israel will fit in all of this

Some people spoke about Israel position on this way back, now we'll see if they were right

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Malisa (here)

That's an Ukrainian plane, Russia doesn't fly those planes. This is very well known

I couldn’t find any attack type aircraft that Ukraine flies that Russia does not. Hard to tell from the vid, or the thumbnail for the vid, but amongst the 5 Ukraine planes of this capability, it looks to me like either a Mig-29 or a Su-27. What do you see?

[Mashika]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)

Posted by Malisa (here)

That's an Ukrainian plane, Russia doesn't fly those planes. This is very well known

I couldn’t find any attack type aircraft that Ukraine flies that Russia does not. Hard to tell from the vid, or the thumbnail for the vid, but amongst the 5 Ukraine planes of this capability, it looks to me like either a Mig-29 or a Su-27. What do you see?

That's a Mig-29

And i have already posted above that the only remaining Mig-29 planes are in service only for training, this is well recorded and known, but in Ukraine those are still in full combat service (training planes are not combat ready)

If people think a plane can just be started and can flight just because, then they need to learn more about this entire thing. Fighter jets require lots of work to keep them able to flight. Bases need lots of resource to serve specific planes, it's not magical like just switch it on and there it goes

Here's another example of a fake

Soon called on it

[Tigger]

Apologies if this video has been posted before, but it think it offers an important perspective on the manufactured conflict:


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/MRQqhY2e39mF/

[Mashika]

Ukrainian army is in so much disarray, they have tried to shoot down one of their own planes using American made weapons. Once again a Mig-29

"The Ukrainian military is trying to shoot down an enemy fighter, which later turns out to be its MiG-29"
https://t.me/russia/1323

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Malisa (here)


That's a Mig-29

And i have already posted above that the only remaining Mig-29 planes are in service only for training, this is well recorded and known, but in Ukraine those are still in full combat service (training planes are not combat ready)

If people think a plane can just be started and can flight just because, then they need to learn more about this entire thing. Fighter jets require lots of work to keep them able to flight. Bases need lots of resource to serve specific planes, it's not magical like just switch it on and there it goes

Here's another example of a fake

Soon called on it

The YouTube comments are divided, lots of commenters say it is not a game rendering (interesting read BTW, thank you). I don’t game, but what has this maybe-hoax vid have to do with your original vid?

[Mashika]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)

Posted by Malisa (here)


That's a Mig-29

And i have already posted above that the only remaining Mig-29 planes are in service only for training, this is well recorded and known, but in Ukraine those are still in full combat service (training planes are not combat ready)

If people think a plane can just be started and can flight just because, then they need to learn more about this entire thing. Fighter jets require lots of work to keep them able to flight. Bases need lots of resource to serve specific planes, it's not magical like just switch it on and there it goes

Here's another example of a fake

Soon called on it

The YouTube comments are divided, lots of commenters say it is not a game rendering (interesting read BTW, thank you). I don’t game, but what has this maybe-hoax vid have to do with your original vid?

I thought i already explained. All those fakes are meant to direct people into specific mindsets about what's happening. It's meant to lead people into supporting one side. I don't understand what this is not clear

Didn't i say 3 times now
"Read the comment section so you see how these lies affect and direct people's opinions"
???

What else is left to say, i also have provided more evidence of this fact of manipulation. The comments were the proof itself. It doesn't matter if it's divided, the video is a fake, the poster lead people into believing a blatant lie, the people agreeing do not know the video is fake. They still will support something they have no clue about. How hard is to figure this out?

People are being mislead into supporting a Nazi government, thinking they are supporting "democracy and freedom". They have no clue what happened in Donbass for 8 years, they have not seen any of it because unlike just now that information was not provided to them

Please explain to me what is left to say

Be specific, please

[onawah]

Alert: Ukraine chemical time bomb; warning to Putin and the Ukraine military
by Jon Rappoport
February 25, 2022
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022...aine-military/

"THERE ARE MANY STORAGE DEPOTS ALL OVER THE UKRAINE, WHERE DANGEROUS AND BANNED PESTICIDES HAVE BEEN KEPT BADLY FOR YEARS.

Bombing and shelling that happens to strike these depots would cause devastating consequences.

In 2009 (see also here), I researched the problem of pesticides in the Ukraine. Use is not the only issue; so is storage. And the scope and danger are huge.

Here is what I found:

Tamara Gurzhiy, “Expired and prohibited pesticides problem in Ukraine,” Independent Agency for Ecological Information, Kharkiv, Ukraine (English translation):

“Twenty thousand to 25,000 t [tons] of expired or prohibited pesticides are stored on 4,000 Ukrainian depots. This is a serious threat for people and environment. Arsenic compounds are highly toxic for cattle. Death comes within several hours…Majority of pesticide depots were not designed for long-term usage. Chemicals are stolen and illegally sold to people. Depots’ roofs collapsed over the time, pesticides’ wrapping gets [out of] of order, pesticides of different nature may become [a] catalyst of spontaneous chemical reactions with unpredictable results. Spontaneous fire may spread toxins on a wide area. Utilization of expired and prohibited pesticides is Ukrainian national problem.”

Indeed, there was a fire in 2009.

Simferopol, October 17 (Interfax-Ukraine): “A storehouse with pesticide in Dzhankoi (Crimea) is on fire…around 200 tonnes of pesticide and magnesium chloride…around 40 tonnes of pesticide was taken from the storehouse…” How extensive were the toxic clouds? Was this the real reason for fake 2009 reports of a million people ill in the Ukraine with Swine Flu?

“BRNO, Czech Republic, Sept. 23, 2009 /CNW/ – According to Milieukontakts Partner IHPA (the International HCH and Pesticides Association) the health of at least 7 million inhabitants in Moldavia and Ukraine is seriously threatened by a stock of old pesticides. IHPA calls for fast EU action to disarm this ‘biggest chemical time bomb of Europe’.”

“…[in] the former Kalush factory in the west of Ukraine there is a stock of no less than 10,000 tonnes of superfluous Hexachlorobenzene (HCB). It’s particularly the positioning along the Dniester river that makes the situation extremely hazardous: a single flood and the high concentrations of poison would pollute the natural habitat of some 7 million people in the west of Ukraine and Moldavia.”

“In total, tens of millions of inhabitants in Europe, Central Asia and the former Soviet Union are being threatened by pesticides. In Ukraine alone there are 4,500 storage locations with more than 30,000 tonnes of old pesticides, a legacy from the Soviet era. The substances have been prohibited since 2001. As a rule the packaging only lasts five to ten years. If nothing happens in that time, then the substances could simply end up in the soil or in the water…”

Today (2/25/22) I looked for evidence that these horrendous problems in the Ukraine have been solved. So far, I haven’t found any. However, I did come across a 2020 study, “Environmental monitoring and recommendations on decreasing the levels of pesticide pollution in Zhytomyr region of Ukraine”:https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ion_of_Ukraine

“Environmental monitoring was conducted of facilities for storage and disposal of banned and unsuitable pesticides. Pesticide content in the soil, water, and products of agriculture in the Zhytomyr region of Ukraine was examined, and the accumulation of organochlorine pesticides by freshwater bivalve mollusks was assessed. Storage facilities of the Zhytomyr region contain nearly 392.18 t [tons] of pesticides in 137 warehouses, of which 11 meet the requirements, 36 are tolerable, and 90 are in poor condition…”

Not encouraging.

I doubt the Russians or even the Ukrainians have supplied precise maps of all these pesticide depots to their military commanders.

WATCH OUT."

[Mashika]

For everyone who wants to see truth, please go look into this channel

https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina

There is some truth there, if you want to truly know about reality. Or not if you are at peace with your life and whatever the news say

But consider this, you may not like what you see there. Be fair

[Mashika]

Western style democracy at work

"We will have jobs—they will not. We will have pensions—they will not. [....] Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the basements"

Do you support this? Because that was reality until a couple days ago, for people in Donbass.

Question, where was the UN and the united democratic countries while that was happening? No one knew? No one cared? Please explain in your own words

The time for beating around the bushes and pretending to be fake diplomatic to ignore the main issue and look for simplistic explanations that help you get out of the problem is over. Now it is reality, it's time for this suffering to end

[Mashika]

Where where the lamenting and prayers for them back then?

I remember that, most people could not care less

"Life is like this", 'If only we could do something", "Don't let your head get hot about this", "solutions always come through this or that, let's not think much about it, i'm sure justice will be made"

Where is it now? Talk is cheap

[Mashika]

This picture was recently posted on Twitter claiming it was from Ukraine, and children "hiding from the violent russian attacks on Ukraine"

What kind of low life does something like that?

"Children of war hiding in a cellar in Donbass, 2014, is the quintessential image of the region’s suffering that the western establishment would rather ignore. A conflict longer than WWII.

📷 Photojournalist Andy Rochelli who died under Ukrainian Army’s fire with his interpreter"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Rocchelli

Rocchelli was killed in Andriivka, Ukraine, near Sloviansk, on 24 May 2014 while reporting on the war in Donbas. He was travelling with the human rights activist and interpreter Andrei Mironov (also died in the attack), a French photo reporter, and a local driver. When they stopped to take some pictures near a railway line, the group was attacked with automatic weapons and mortar fire from the "Karachun" hill, where the Ukrainian army was stationed.The Italian authorities described the attack that killed both Mironov and Rocchelli as murder.

The last pictures Rocchelli took before his death precisely document the attack that killed him and Mironov and permanently injured Roguelon. These photographs testify to the duration of the shootings, the morphology of the area, and the civilian clothing worn by the victims

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Malisa (here)

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)

Posted by Malisa (here)


That's a Mig-29

And i have already posted above that the only remaining Mig-29 planes are in service only for training, this is well recorded and known, but in Ukraine those are still in full combat service (training planes are not combat ready)

If people think a plane can just be started and can flight just because, then they need to learn more about this entire thing. Fighter jets require lots of work to keep them able to flight. Bases need lots of resource to serve specific planes, it's not magical like just switch it on and there it goes

Here's another example of a fake

Soon called on it

The YouTube comments are divided, lots of commenters say it is not a game rendering (interesting read BTW, thank you). I don’t game, but what has this maybe-hoax vid have to do with your original vid?

I thought i already explained. All those fakes are meant to direct people into specific mindsets about what's happening. It's meant to lead people into supporting one side. I don't understand what this is not clear

Didn't i say 3 times now
"Read the comment section so you see how these lies affect and direct people's opinions"
???

What else is left to say, i also have provided more evidence of this fact of manipulation. The comments were the proof itself. It doesn't matter if it's divided, the video is a fake, the poster lead people into believing a blatant lie, the people agreeing do not know the video is fake. They still will support something they have no clue about. How hard is to figure this out?

People are being mislead into supporting a Nazi government, thinking they are supporting "democracy and freedom". They have no clue what happened in Donbass for 8 years, they have not seen any of it because unlike just now that information was not provided to them

Please explain to me what is left to say

Be specific, please

The more you elaborate, the less convincing you are. Too many words. Not saying you’re not for real, but your message seems corrupt. Maybe keep it trimmed.

About me: I can believe that Ukraine is a cesspool. I also don’t trust Russian leadership, nor any world leadership actually. Your news of 13k dead in E Ukraine, with western talkers & media silent, does not surprise me. However, I hold anyone, including you, in suspicion. Nothing personal.

[Agape]

One thing I’ve realised in past decade or two is a kind of evolutionary dichotomy we are witnessing that concerns today’s middle age and younger generations of the civilised world,
while on one hand there is still bunch of renegades, pirates, guerrilla fighters and nearly primitive barbarians engaged in war against the world, the civilised part of society has turned super-civilised, sublime and feminine, incapable to fight or defend themselves other than on their screens, perhaps.
The simple scene struck me once when I was accidentally returning to Prague after many years of journey and right at the airport , I see this too well fed young man in his thirties, family man , panicking around , struggling to push trolley.

Quite like some of the very recent scenes from Kiev displayed a generation of people who are hundred percent civilised, would not kill a fly, dependant on their cars and comfort zones, most probably on vegan diet ( pun intended )...and mostly , fleeing the scene because fight incapable.


It’s drastic to see but not unpredictably so the same would happen in any European and North American country of today .


Cheers Ma ⛑

[Mashika]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
The more you elaborate, the less convincing you are. Too many words. Not saying you’re not for real, but your message seems corrupt. Maybe keep it trimmed.

This is just a natural effect of your lack of willingness to look at the facts, you can't spend 20 seconds reading something? Or are you looking for excuses to run away from the truth?

I would expect you to be able to focus for at least 5 minutes into something important, but if this is too wordy for you, then you may be part of the current western illness of "too short attention spans". I don't know, look into it yourself

But honestly, it looks more like passive aggressive immature insults thrown at me. Out of lack of a valid response otherwise

Imagine if you would have to read a book about this then, how many pages would you go through before giving up? I expected more, honestly

This is not a real reason to dismiss me, it's more like a "i can't follow so i'm going to assume you are wrong and give up because this is beyond me" way to handle the issue

About me: I can believe that Ukraine is a cesspool. I also don’t trust Russian leadership, nor any world leadership actually. Your news of 13k dead in E Ukraine, with western talkers & media silent, does not surprise me. However, I hold anyone, including you, in suspicion. Nothing personal.

None taken, but don't do what you did above, it just doesn't follow to a good conversation if you plainly say "i'm going to assume you are corrupt because i could not bother to read 3 lines of text and figure out the evidence on my own"

Actually, you ignoring and skipping over all of it makes you the one that looks suspicious. Do you even care or are you just toeing the line?

I'm posting facts with evidence, you are just returning with "i don't know, i don't have any reason or anything to claim you wrong, but i don't know"

I would expect people here to be able to do better than that

[Mashika]

I often wonder why people dislike seeing factual evidence and rather look away then wait for the mainstream media to come tell them what they want to see, rather than what they need to see

[Mashika]

Don't let the lies take over your soul, heart and mind. Look deep into everything being said all over

Hope you are doing well and feel safe